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Texans security guards fired for taking photo with Tom Brady

Lord Bills said:
another disgusting act by this texan front office.

I bet you anything if the texans won this game and they did the same thing, they would not have been fired. They were made a scapegoat just like the 3 guys who were smoking in the bathroom.

Total overreaction by the front office instituting once again, draconian zero tolerance policies.

Taking out your frustrations for your sorry season on security guards after taking it out on young players is a sad and pathetic act by this team.
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I fully support their policy. If they want an autograph or picture, go to the appropriate venue.
 
Lord Bills said:
yes i did. it also said their shift was finished. it also said that a lot of employees take photos with athletes and celebrities.

Do you always believe what you read?

You have to read between the lines and go through the BS and figure out stuff for yourselves. You have to learn how to sniff out BS garbage like "its company policy."

They were fired because the team was still angry over the loss and they see their own security guards taking pics with the guy who just kicked their asses and they got mad, took it out on lowly security guards and fired them.

Learn how to sniff out company line BS.

This is one of them.

SAD, VINDICTIVE, PATHETIC MOVE BY THIS FRANCHISE.
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Sometimes you read what isn't there. This is not an unusual requirement for many companies, though some lesser punishment is common for a first offense.
 
Lord Bills said:
another disgusting act by this texan front office.

I bet you anything if the texans won this game and they did the same thing, they would not have been fired. They were made a scapegoat just like the 3 guys who were smoking in the bathroom.

Total overreaction by the front office instituting once again, draconian zero tolerance policies.

Taking out your frustrations for your sorry season on security guards after taking it out on young players is a sad and pathetic act by this team.
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Lord Bills said:
yes i did. it also said their shift was finished. it also said that a lot of employees take photos with athletes and celebrities.

Do you always believe what you read?

You have to read between the lines and go through the BS and figure out stuff for yourselves. You have to learn how to sniff out BS garbage like "its company policy."

They were fired because the team was still angry over the loss and they see their own security guards taking pics with the guy who just kicked their asses and they got mad, took it out on lowly security guards and fired them.

Learn how to sniff out company line BS.

This is one of them.

SAD, VINDICTIVE, PATHETIC MOVE BY THIS FRANCHISE.
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Let me read between the lines. YOU are mad at the Texans and would jump on their case for any reason, good or bad.

Isn't this the more likely scenario?
 
Lord Bills said:
yea keep believing everything you read.

Because if its in the newspaper or the internet it must be true right?

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btw, im a pharmacy major and i own my own compounding comany.

I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.

:swatter:
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LOL! Sounds like a Yankee. Ignorant AND arrogant.

By the way, comPany is spelled with a P and I'm has an apostrophe smart guy.
 
disaacks3 said:
You still need to show potential damage to your company or reputation as at least one was off the clock. If anything, I'll bet this ham-fisted move backfires and costs them $$$.

Fired on the spot? No. Could they have a hand going forward or on potential reinstatement? Yes.
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Having an employee using their security clearance to bug the athletes does negatively affect the security agency since the Texans would find it intolerable unless they pay a hefty premium for the privilege. They have autograph sessions for those things at the proper time.
 
Marshall said:
Having an employee using their security clearance to bug the athletes does negatively affect the security agency since the Texans would find it intolerable unless they pay a hefty premium for the privilege. They have autograph sessions for those things at the proper time.
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You'd have to show that someone "bugged" somebody.

You'd also need to show how this has led to the company losing business elsewhere / previously.

You'd also need to show that no other entities approached said athlete for pictures in the same setting.

You'd still be liable for claims if your existing policy suffered selective enforcement, when it regarded an off-duty employee, especially an hourly one.

"At will" is great, until you open your big mouth and say WHY the employee was let go.
 
Marshall said:
There is usually a restriction until you're out of uniform, not just finished with a shift.
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I take it that you did not bother to read the entire thread before replying to my initial post? You would have clearly seen my thought process come to the realization about company policy and ultimately having no problem with it. :)
 
disaacks3 said:
You'd have to show that someone "bugged" somebody.

You'd also need to show how this has led to the company losing business elsewhere / previously.

You'd also need to show that no other entities approached said athlete for pictures in the same setting.

You'd still be liable for claims if your existing policy suffered selective enforcement, when it regarded an off-duty employee, especially an hourly one.

"At will" is great, until you open your big mouth and say WHY the employee was let go.
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Are you in labor law? You seem to be pretty sure of yourself but I'm not sure I agree with your opinion
 
Showtime100 said:
You had your chance. :this: :tease:
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I felt like I was late to the party, and I couldn't compete with dude's stunning good looks. I'm ugly and proud anyway.

Ok actually contributing to the topic at hand. As most have conferred, if it's company policy then there is no news. I worked security at Red Rocks amphitheater for a short stint in college many moons ago, the first rule of working there was - Don't talk to, F with, or even look strangely at the talent. It's very common in security companies to institute those rules. I work in A/V production now and sometimes do events with national acts, and it's basically an unwritten (sometimes actually written) rule among stagehands and production companies.
 
It is my understanding that security and event staff personnel are under strict guidelines in regards to any association with celebrities they serve. I have heard that some celebrities don't want staff to make any eye contact or look the other way when they appear.

It seems unfair since that could be the only time am employee could get a picture or autograph if the celebrity was willing and didn't feel imposed upon. In this case, it appears that Brady had a bigger smile than the guard. BUT, those are the rules that are set up front for whatever reason, and grounds for termination if they broken.
 
I've worked security at some very high dollar events with shaq, warren moon, and a dozen other celebrities you'd recognize (athletes, politicians, musicians, movie stars) , and there's a universal understanding in the industry that you don't poke and prod like a fan. If the celebrity wants to be sociable and strike up a conversation, cool. Be friendly. But you don't ask them for photos, autographs, or any other fan club bs. I have little doubt the 2 recently unemployed knew what they were risking. No sympathy here.
 
Mcnair needs to hire these guys to be the GM, Kubiak would have already been fired.. and they know a good QB when they see him
 
Marshall said:
LOL! Sounds like a Yankee. Ignorant AND arrogant.

By the way, comPany is spelled with a P and I'm has an apostrophe smart guy.
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Multi-quote function man. You can respond in one post! Makes it easier to follow conversation and reduces clutter.

Not an attack! Just a request.
 
Texans proud, McNair proud, Houston proud.:toropalm:

Texas security guards fired after taking pictures with Tom Brady

Joel Williams, who was working security at Reliant Stadium, said he took his part-time job very seriously.

“When you are at your post and you’re doing your job, you’re not supposed to take pictures with anybody because your job is to secure that area,” Williams said Monday.

But after the game, Williams said he was ready to clock out when he had a chance run-in with Brady.

“I said, ‘Hey Tom Brady, good job, good game man.’ He looked at me and smiled,” Williams said. “He was very polite, very nice guy, humble. Sometimes I see players and say hello, and they just keep walking.”

The interaction led to a picture of the two posing together.

“Immediately after I took the picture, I got ran down by a supervisor,” Williams said. “They didn’t’ really give a reason, they said you know you’re wrong and you’re fired."

Williams’ co-worker Christopher Moore also took a picture with the Patriots star quarterback.

He wonders why they were targeted, especially since he says he has seen other employees do the same.

“What they say and what they practice are two different things,” Moore said, “What we see on a daily basis, whether it be Reliant or CSC employees, is them taking picture and asking for autographs from players.”

Contemporary Services Corporation, or CSC, sent KHOU 11 News this statement:

“It is strictly against CSC policy for its employees to request photos or autographs from players. CSC stands by its decision to terminate the two employees who violated this policy.”

However, Williams doesn’t believe he did anything wrong since he had completed his duties for the day.

“Throw away all the trash from the sidelines, escort all the people out, then we’re through.” Williams said.

In fact, the Texas South University graduate student said he will miss his part-time job.

“I loved the job, I loved interacting, being a part of it…just being on the field, just cool being a part of that.”
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Exascor said:
Yeah. Not that big of a deal IMO. Already discussed here Doc. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103275
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Thanks, I didn't notice that thread. MODS, PLEASE MERGE


2012Champs said:
Read the article. Two guards were employed by and fired by CSC not the Texans. The terminations have zero to do with the Texans org
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I read the article, thank you. My initial comment still stands..........this incident generated by CSC (which is contracted by the Texans) will be and has certainly been seen as a Texans thingy outside of Houston................I am sure that the Texans, McNair and Houston will be clambering for as many such "minor" similar "positive" pieces as they can collect to go with all of the rest of the "major" humiliations they have managed to generate all by their lonesomes.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Thanks, I didn't notice that thread. MODS, PLEASE MERGE




I read the article, thank you. My initial comment still stands..........this incident generated by CSC (which is contracted by the Texans) will be and has certainly been seen as a Texans thingy outside of Houston................I am sure that the Texans, McNair and Houston will be clambering for as many such "minor" similar "positive" pieces as they can collect to go with all of the rest of the "major" humiliations they have managed to generate all by their lonesomes.
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I know many people see this as a Texans' thing however it is just pure ignorance. I understand CSC is contracted by the Texans however the Texans didnt, dont and dont want to make the hiring/firing calls for the CSC staff. I think the policy CSC is fine and I am sure the Texans dont want security staff going up to player for any reason not related to security
 
Instigated by the team or not as the thread title clearly stated in a national view we are jokes. Won't fire inept managers, but will allow contractors to axe employees on the spot for something so clearly harmless? Damn shame.

Didn't really need this event to shine a light on a pathetic football organization. But it does sting.

All you 'company men' can start your codes of conduct jargon now.
 
i cant believe people dont think the texans had anything to do with this firing.

its mind boggling how far fans will defend their team/athletes.
 
Who cares if the Texans did or didn't have anything to do with it? That organization is in the outhouse this season anyway. What's one more pile of poop?
 
Uncle Rico said:
Instigated by the team or not as the thread title clearly stated in a national view we are jokes. Won't fire inept managers, but will allow contractors to axe employees on the spot for something so clearly harmless? Damn shame.

Didn't really need this event to shine a light on a pathetic football organization. But it does sting.

All you 'company men' can start your codes of conduct jargon now.
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If you meddle in your contractors hiring / firing decisions, then they are not independent contractors they are employees. Employees that you never paid payroll taxes for, never paid unemployment tax for, never contibuted to their 401K, never let into the health insurance plan, etc etc etc. If you are a real business, you don't want to go there. So you don't interfere when your contractor enforces their workplace rules.

Lord Bills said:
i cant believe people dont think the texans had anything to do with this firing.

its mind boggling how far fans will defend their team/athletes.
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People aren't "defending their team" it's just that we have actually had jobs in the real world.

A little unsolicited advice for you: get a real job (your allowance doesn't count). Then kiss your mommy goodbye and move out already. Apartments have microwaves and laundry rooms, you will survive. (It's OK to go to mom's on Sunday night for dinner. But you can't move back in).
 
Fred said:
If you meddle in your contractors hiring / firing decisions, then they are not independent contractors they are employees. Employees that you never paid payroll taxes for, never paid unemployment tax for, never contibuted to their 401K, never let into the health insurance plan, etc etc etc. If you are a real business, you don't want to go there. So you don't interfere when your contractor enforces their workplace rules.
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I've worked in two separate industries as a contractor where meddling is the 'norm'. The funniest part? One of them is private security.

They can't be considered employees unless you have folks performing the exact same duties who actually ARE employees. That's your starting point. In addition, every Security contract I've ever seen gives the client the right to have personnel removed from any account for any reason.

I've also been personally involved in an incident where the client told the company that if they wanted to keep the account (most security contracts can be voided by the client quite easily), they would quit threatening the "preferred" guard.

ABM, Allied, Pinkerton, Black Hawk, Top Gun...the list goes on, but let's not pretend that clients don't tell the security companies what to do. It happens with regularity.
 
This = Platinum Security firing someone at Minute Maid. I work around these cats; they ain't got **** to do with the Astros other than security. That said, you have to keep in mind that we don't know WHAT they are told by the Texans, etc. You might have caught a supervisor on a ****ty day. Some companies are strict, some don't care (as long as you aren't a distraction, etc).

Need to hear the other side, and need to hear what the some superiors think.
 
Making the rounds. From the Huffington Post:
"I wasn't threatening anybody. The sideline experience was over the game was over. I was just really congratulating the winning team. There have been times before when I've taken pictures with other people that weren't Tom Brady, or winners, somebody who just defeated the Texans, it was perfectly okay,” Williams told WHDH-TV 7News in Boston.
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JB said:
Sure seems to be a lot of personal attacks and general asshattery going on in Texans Talk these days...
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People on both sides of this seem to think they are the smartest men in the room. Which probably means neither one of them are near as smart as they think they are.
 
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