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Texans Salary Cap Thread

I am definitely not a mathmetician but NFL allowed Texans 2011 cap regardless of what it was and we lose Mario's cap hit regardless of what it was; doesn't that mean we have Mario's 2011 cap to use, regardless?
 
badboy said:
I am definitely not a mathmetician but NFL allowed Texans 2011 cap regardless of what it was and we lose Mario's cap hit regardless of what it was; doesn't that mean we have Mario's 2011 cap to use, regardless?
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You would think. But, keep in mind most players contracts will escalate for the 2012 season... that's just the way it works.

Then we've got dead money from the guys we cut after June 1st.

Then we just signed Arian to an $8M 2012 cap.

After the uncapped year, the CBA lowered the cap. I read somewhere, that the Texans were expecting the cap to go up (at least back to pre uncapped year numbers) but it doesn't appear to be.

I'm really beginning to think the Texans are truly in a pickle.
 
thunderkyss said:
You would think. But, keep in mind most players contracts will escalate for the 2012 season... that's just the way it works.

Then we've got dead money from the guys we cut after June 1st.

Then we just signed Arian to an $8M 2012 cap.

After the uncapped year, the CBA lowered the cap. I read somewhere, that the Texans were expecting the cap to go up (at least back to pre uncapped year numbers) but it doesn't appear to be.

I'm really beginning to think the Texans are truly in a pickle.
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Most think JJ & Leinert are gone and that's about $7m cap + Foster's 2011 makes Foster's new deal mute. Mario's $20m can sign him, Myers and Briesel. Other players likie Jason Allen, Dominque Barber, Delhomme, Jeff Garcia, Bryant Johnson, etc. can be gone and all dollars add up. That does not include an re-done contracts.
 
Sweet. I was worried about it getting locked in. If JJ being cut can really save in the mid 4 mil range, and Leinart 2m, has to be done, no?
 
Section516 said:
Sweet. I was worried about it getting locked in. If JJ being cut can really save in the mid 4 mil range, and Leinart 2m, has to be done, no?
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I would expect JJ to be gone. Not sure about Leinart though, he can compete for the second spot still.

EDIT: Also, would cutting Kevin Walter put a lot of dead money in the salary for this coming year? I think there might be better options in free agency for around the same amount of money...
 
tak3ov3r said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/related/

Texans: $4.7 million over the cap atm
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I take this to mean that with contracts for the 2012 league year right now - we are still over the new cap number for 2012.

I also take this as Mario does not count anything to the 2012 league year or any other player that will be a free agent tomorrow has any $$ included in the 4.7 mill over the cap figure.

So we are over the cap already and still need to sign a center (Myers) a guard (briesel) and others.

We are in deep dirt Francis.
 
XI CMURDER IX said:
I would expect JJ to be gone. Not sure about Leinart though, he can compete for the second spot still.

EDIT: Also, would cutting Kevin Walter put a lot of dead money in the salary for this coming year? I think there might be better options in free agency for around the same amount of money...
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I expect Walter to remain on roster with his great hands, precise route running and very good blocking. I'd still like to pick up 2 WRs in draft.
 
XI CMURDER IX said:
I would expect JJ to be gone. Not sure about Leinart though, he can compete for the second spot still.

EDIT: Also, would cutting Kevin Walter put a lot of dead money in the salary for this coming year? I think there might be better options in free agency for around the same amount of money...
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Best option would be to restructure Walter. He's a bit overpaid, but still a valuable cog to the team.
 
Section516 said:
When does JJones/Leinarts salary become "locked in" for the 2012 season? I expected them to be cut already.
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How are you going to cut Leinart when Schaub's health is still an issue? We don't know if he'll be ready to play week 1. We won't be going into the season with Tj & a rook as two of our three QBs.
 
Grams said:
I take this to mean that with contracts for the 2012 league year right now - we are still over the new cap number for 2012.

I also take this as Mario does not count anything to the 2012 league year or any other player that will be a free agent tomorrow has any $$ included in the 4.7 mill over the cap figure.

So we are over the cap already and still need to sign a center (Myers) a guard (briesel) and others.

We are in deep dirt Francis.
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Not at all. He stated Sanchez restructure wasn't taken into account.

In fact, he explicitly stated:
the Vikings will have more space as of Monday, due to the termination of the contracts of several players.
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thunderkyss said:
Not at all. He stated Sanchez restructure wasn't taken into account.

In fact, he explicitly stated:
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Termination is not the same as expiration. Mario is an expiring contract, but the Vikings terminated, that is released/waived, those players. The Texans have not terminated any contracts that I know of.

The Vikings released left guard Steve Hutchinson, right guard Anthony Herrera and cornerback Cedric Griffin, saving more than $13 million for this year by jettisoning three players who've been in their starting lineup for the better part of the past five seasons or more.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7670067/minnesota-vikings-release-steve-hutchinson-anthony-herrera-cedric-griffin
 
badboy said:
I expect Walter to remain on roster with his great hands, precise route running and very good blocking. I'd still like to pick up 2 WRs in draft.
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Don't get me wrong, Walter is very good at what he does. However, with the money you could save from JJ and Walter combined you could get a really good player that can excel at both. Then you might also want to draft one.

I would like to see Walter restructure his deal though ideally, but I think he would have already if he was going to.
 
XI CMURDER IX said:
Don't get me wrong, Walter is very good at what he does. However, with the money you could save from JJ and Walter combined you could get a really good player that can excel at both. Then you might also want to draft one.

I would like to see Walter restructure his deal though ideally, but I think he would have already if he was going to.
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I'm not too high on UDFA WRs. In my dream, I see Manning bringing Reggie Wayne here for 2-3 years and we draft either Floyd or Wright. Floyd to replace AJ eventually or Wright as perfect slot who can also be a flanker.
 
thunderkyss said:
How are you going to cut Leinart when Schaub's health is still an issue? We don't know if he'll be ready to play week 1. We won't be going into the season with Tj & a rook as two of our three QBs.
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I think a vet cheaper than Leinert can be signed to be 3rd string.
 
What I don't understand is how this team has had one year of success and are now in cap hell when teams that have been winning for 20 plus years are just fine.

If no one else will say it I will, Rick Smith is an awful GM. He had one good draft out of 6. This all falls on his shoulders and no one else's. If he could manage the cap better we wouldn't have to lose players that would keep us winning more than one season.
 
TEXANRED said:
What I don't understand is how this team has had one year of success and are now in cap hell when teams that have been winning for 20 plus years are just fine.

If no one else will say it I will, Rick Smith is an awful GM. He had one good draft out of 6. This all falls on his shoulders and no one else's. If he could manage the cap better we wouldn't have to lose players that would keep us winning more than one season.
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you can't be serious
 
aussie_texan said:
you can't be serious
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I am, look at our drafts from 2007 to 2011. One good draft. This team has continued to hang its hat on the 2006 draft. In fact I would go so far as to say that the only reason Gary or Smith still have a job is because of Wade Phillips being able to make chicken salad from chicken turds. Our secondary is still a hot mess but somehow Phillips made it work last year. Do you realize how many secondary personnel we have drafted over the last 6 years and still the best we could come up with is someone elses CB, a tandem team to start opposite JJO, and moving a starting CB to safety?

Smiths drafts and personnel decisions have been not just awful but God awful.

You can't tell me someone in his position shouldnt have seen this coming sooner and made plans for this sort of thing well in advance.
 
TEXANRED said:
I am, look at our drafts from 2007 to 2011. One good draft. This team has continued to hang its hat on the 2006 draft. In fact I would go so far as to say that the only reason Gary or Smith still have a job is because of Wade Phillips being able to make chicken salad from chicken turds. Our secondary is still a hot mess but somehow Phillips made it work last year. Do you realize how many secondary personnel we have drafted over the last 6 years and still the best we could come up with is someone elses CB, a tandem team to start opposite JJO, and moving a starting CB to safety?

Smiths drafts and personnel decisions have been not just awful but God awful.

You can't tell me someone in his position shouldnt have seen this coming sooner and made plans for this sort of thing well in advance.
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You can't be serious. Top to bottom, we have one of the best rosters in the NFL. That is all on Rick Smith.
 
Allstar said:
You can't be serious. Top to bottom, we have one of the best rosters in the NFL. That is all on Rick Smith.
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The 2006 draft was a great one. (Rick wasn't here)

2009, Great draft (Rick gets credit

2011 Great draft (Wades draft)

Rick has been subpar, overall not terrible but certianly not what you're making him out to be.
 
Allstar said:
You can't be serious. Top to bottom, we have one of the best rosters in the NFL. That is all on Rick Smith.
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We do but its not cus of Rick's drafting skills.


2007
Further information: 2007 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State
[edit]2008
Further information:

2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State
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2009
Further information: 2009 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/15 Brian Cushing Linebacker Southern California
2/46 Connor Barwin Defensive end Cincinnati
3/77 Antoine Caldwell Center Alabama
4/112 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico
4/122 (from Minnesota) Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State
5/152 James Casey Tight end Rice
6/188 Brice McCain Cornerback Utah
7/223 Troy Nolan Safety Arizona State
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2010
Further information: 2010 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/20 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Alabama
2/58 (from New England) Ben Tate Running back Auburn
3/81 Earl Mitchell Defensive tackle Arizona
4/102 (from Kansas City) Darryl Sharpton Linebacker Miami (FL)
4/118 Garrett Graham Tight end Wisconsin
5/144 (from Kansas City) Sherrick McManis Cornerback Northwestern
6/187 Shelley Smith Offensive guard Colorado State
6/197 (from San Diego) Trindon Holliday Wide receiver LSU
7/227 Dorin Dickerson Tight end Pittsburgh
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2011
Further information: 2011 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/11 J. J. Watt Defensive End Wisconsin
2/42 Brooks Reed Linebacker Arizona
2/60 (from New England) Brandon Harris Cornerback Miami (FL)
4/127 (from Washington) Rashad Carmichael Cornerback Virginia Tech
5/144 (from Washington) Shiloh Keo Safety Idaho
5/152 (from Washington) T. J. Yates Quarterback North Carolina
7/214 Derek Newton Offensive tackle Arkansas State
7/254 Cheta Ozougwu Defensive end Rice

I bolded our starters. This is not a good drafting record combined with this salary cap mismanagement.......

But of course this is my opinion.
 
By no means am I defending Rick's drafting capabilities, all I'm saying is look at the state of our franchise and makeup of our team. Rick Smith is the GM, so he owns that. A terrible GM doesn't put together a team like ours.
 
2007


1/ Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville (Failed project, possibly due to coaching)
3/ Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane (Another project pick, is not a bad WR just not a #2)
4/ Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina (Meh)
5/ Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford (Meh)
5/ Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (Meh)
6/ Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas (Good back up guard still with the team
7/ Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State (Good pick considering the value we got out of him)

2008

1 Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (One of the best LT)
3 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky (Meh)
3 Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia (Good player injuries and victim of circumstance)
4 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech (Surprise cut last year he wasn't a bad player
5 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas (average player, decent value in the 5th)
6 Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota (Still a back up for the team
7 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State (...?)

2009

1 Brian Cushing Linebacker Southern California (one of the best ILB)
2 Connor Barwin Defensive end Cincinnati (Becoming a great OLB)
3 Antoine Caldwell Center Alabama (Back up still on the team, decent player)
4 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico (Great value and starting calibre S)
4 Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State (meh)
5 James Casey Tight end Rice (THOR!!!!)
6 Brice McCain Cornerback Utah (great value here had a great season in the nickel position)
7 Troy Nolan Safety Arizona State (good value, back up safety)

2010

1 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Alabama (Starting to show his promise none of the CB's taken after him played better last year)
2 Ben Tate Running back Auburn (starting calibre RB)
3 Earl Mitchell Defensive tackle Arizona (Great Back up will be better at DE)
4 Darryl Sharpton Linebacker Miami (FL) (good value and great back up)
4 Garrett Graham Tight end Wisconsin (Still waiting, injuries have hurt him)
5 Sherrick McManis Cornerback Northwestern (appropriate value here)
6 Shelley Smith Offensive guard Colorado State (Has good potential, good value)
6 Trindon Holliday Wide receiver LSU (Was a risky pick)
7 Dorin Dickerson Tight end Pittsburgh (Good value just didn't seem to work out)

2011

1 J. J. Watt Defensive End Wisconsin (FREAK)
2 Brooks Reed Linebacker Arizona (LIGIT)
2 Brandon Harris Cornerback Miami (FL) (N/A)
4 Rashad Carmichael Cornerback Virginia Tech (N/A)
5 Shiloh Keo Safety Idaho (meh)
5 T. J. Yates Quarterback North Carolina (ummm YES!!!!)
7 Derek Newton Offensive tackle Arkansas State (good back up)
7 Cheta Ozougwu Defensive end Rice (meh)

Overall it seemed like the first few years was exactly like any rebuilding team, looking for projects and that diamond in the rough.
The last 3 years have all be good drafts though.

Considering he also brought in A.Smith, JJo, D.Manning, Schaub, W.Smith, S.Cody, J.Allen.
And found Foster.

Rick smith for me his one of the better GM in the league
 
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steelbtexan said:
The 2006 draft was a great one. (Rick wasn't here)

2009, Great draft (Rick gets credit

2011 Great draft (Wades draft)

Rick has been subpar, overall not terrible but certianly not what you're making him out to be.
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how can you say this. Rick picked players that fit Wades system. It was still Rick smith and his staff doing the scouting and selecting the players.
All wade did was say i want this this and this.

Did wade select TJ yates.

Also does that mean all offensive picks are kubiacks!
 
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