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Texans relees Brian Hoyer

thunderkyss said:
You're obviously ignorant to the side effects of eating turkey for lunch.



Judging by the amount of hair on Rick's noggin, I bet he's had more than his share of turkey sandwiches. No doubt in my mind Marty B would be a Texans if Rick wasn't tired all the time from eating turkey sandwiches all the damn time.
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To be fair to turkey, it wasn't the turkey or the L-tryptophan that caused the syndrome. It was "was linked to specific batches of L-tryptophan supplied by a single large Japanese manufacturer, Showa Denko" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eosinophilia–myalgia_syndrome

I only know that because your post kind of startled me due to the fact that I am a turkey sandwich whore, so I did a little googlin'
 
thunderkyss said:
You can thank a certain poster for me resisting the urge to post a "That's racist" gif here.
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Neither dread nor I have a problem with asian gifs:

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Hold on red head, kind of, needs closer inspection:

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OzzO said:
How awesome to have nickname for all our QBs that we have enjoyed over the years....

HWSNBM....is this david Carr .....????
Rosencopter
Matty Pick6
Fitzmagic
Hoyerable

Short timers that didn't stick long enough....
Banks
Ragone
Yates - maybe "Bengal killer"?
Leinart..MR HOT TUB
Keenum..U OF H.... Were everyone can go :P
Mallett - "Mullet" tried to stick

TBD....
Osweiler... BRINKS Osweiler $$$$$$$$$$$$
Weeden.. Sweeden
Savage.....MR Glass
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OzzO said:
How awesome to have nickname for all our QBs that we have enjoyed over the years....

HWSNBM....is this david Carr .....????
Rosencopter
Matty Pick6
Fitzmagic
Hoyerable

Short timers that didn't stick long enough....
Banks
Ragone
Yates - maybe "Bengal killer"?
Leinart..MR HOT TUB
Keenum..U OF H.... Were everyone can go :P
Mallett - "Mullet" tried to stick

TBD....
Osweiler... BRINKS Osweiler $$$$$$$$$$$$
Weeden.. Sweeden
Savage.....MR Glass
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PapaL said:
Hoyer meeting with Broncos. Looks like the ol'switcharoo might be in play!
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Even though other teams have supposedly shown interest,, the Jets or the Broncos are probably Hoyer's preference, since they can offer the opportunity for him to start.
 
ObsiWan said:
the Jets are nuts if they sign Hoyer over Fitzy
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Y'now, we said, "O'b was able to get the best out of Fitzpatrick... maybe he can get the best out of Hoyer." (Some did point out the best Hoyer was still worse than avg Fitzpatrick, but that's another story.

Maybe the Jets are thinking the same. Fitzpatrick played even better for them than he did for us. They could likely expect a 20% improvement & ration that's good enough.

Would you expect Fitzpatrick to repeat last year's performance? Three good years in a row, what are the odds?

I think they don't want to pay Fitzpatrick north of $7M because they either like what they are seeing from Bryce Petty or they're planning on drafting their guy this year.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think they don't want to pay Fitzpatrick north of $7M because they either like what they are seeing from Bryce Petty or they're planning on drafting their guy this year.
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I don't think it has anything to do with Petty. I think the reasoning is that Fitzpatrick/Hoyer/Geno are "basically" of the same talent level, so why overpay for the one that they may have a little bit more of a preference over. (Especially when there's not really a competitive market for said QB)
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
I don't think it has anything to do with Petty. I think the reasoning is that Fitzpatrick/Hoyer/Geno are "basically" of the same talent level, so why overpay for the one that they may have a little bit more of a preference over. (Especially when there's not really a competitive market for said QB)
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Then why pay Fitz anything at all when they already have Geno? He played 2016 for $3M & change.
 
I think they saw that Houston-Kansas City playoff game and said "We gotta get us some of that!"

They've been waiting on Houston to release Hoyer the whole time. That's why there's been no deal for Fitz. He's their second choice.

No? Yeah, I don't believe that either.
 
thunderkyss said:
Then what was written by the guy I quoted was not true at all?
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Exactly.

Like you were saying, if Fitz == Smith, then they don't even bother trying to bring him back. But they were trying to bring him back. So he might not be great, but he's substantially better than Geno Smith.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Exactly.

Like you were saying, if Fitz == Smith, then they don't even bother trying to bring him back. But they were trying to bring him back. So he might not be great, but he's substantially better than Geno Smith.
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But they are now who the Texans were prior to the Osweiler signing. They're a possible playoff team, but they're starting QB is most likely not currently on the roster, and best case scenario it's Fitzy. No future starter on the roster (sorry Geno, and TK - don't start telling me about Bryce Petty!), and they hold the #20 pick in the first round - which the way things are going may not even get them Lynch unless they trade up. Not good enough to be viewed as a real contender, but not likely to "earn" a top 5 draft pick any time soon. Mike Maccagnan's QB nightmare that started while he was still with the Texans continues. Who knows for how long.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think they saw that Houston-Kansas City playoff game and said "We gotta get us some of that!"

They've been waiting on Houston to release Hoyer the whole time. That's why there's been no deal for Fitz. He's their second choice.

No? Yeah, I don't believe that either.
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I know you're joking, but O'Brien did exactly that after seeing what Hoyer did with the Browns. He rationalized away half a season with the Browns, choosing to focus on the first half of the year. The Jets only have to rationalize away one playoff game.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
But they are now who the Texans were prior to the Osweiler signing. They're a possible playoff team, but they're starting QB is most likely not currently on the roster, and best case scenario it's Fitzy. No future starter on the roster (sorry Geno, and TK - don't start telling me about Bryce Petty!), and they hold the #20 pick in the first round - which the way things are going may not even get them Lynch unless they trade up. Not good enough to be viewed as a real contender, but not likely to "earn" a top 5 draft pick any time soon. Mike Maccagnan's QB nightmare that started while he was still with the Texans continues. Who knows for how long.
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But next yr Watson/Russell/Kayaa will be there for the Jets to trade for if they cant find a QB this yr. It will be time to do a Rams/Philly type move.
 
steelbtexan said:
But next yr Watson/Russell/Kayaa will be there for the Jets to trade for if they cant find a QB this yr. It will be time to do a Rams/Philly type move.
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That could end up being exactly what happens, but the two in the bush theory doesn't always work out when it comes to next years college QB's going into the draft.

Signed,
Dave Ragone, Matt Leinart, Christian Hackenberg, and the Texans taking Marcus Mariota with the first pick in the 2014 draft.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
I did say they have a preference for Fitz, but he's not so much better than say a Geno or Hoyer to warrant overpaying to re-sign him.

Reading comprehension helps.
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Do you think the Jets would have won 10 games starting Hoyer or Geno?
 
ChampionTexan said:
No future starter on the roster (sorry Geno, and TK - don't start telling me about Bryce Petty!), and they hold the #20 pick in the first round - which the way things are going may not even get them Lynch unless they trade up.
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I said either they like Petty, or they plan on drafting a QB. I have no opinion of Petty of my own. I thought he was a good prospect, have no idea where he is now.
 
ChampionTexan said:
That could end up being exactly what happens, but the two in the bush theory doesn't always work out when it comes to next years college QB's going into the draft.

Signed,
Dave Ragone, Matt Leinart, Christian Hackenberg, and the Texans taking Marcus Mariota with the first pick in the 2014 draft.
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Agreed, but there isn't going to be a QB good enough to justify picking one at 20 or now really after 2, unless you're really hot on Lynch. I wait until next yr and see how it plays out. There could be another Osweiler situation. You could have a bad season and get your QB. Or you could go Ditka and give up your whole draft and part of the next one. Point is if you force the QB you will be setback for 4-5 yrs.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but there isn't going to be a QB good enough to justify picking one at 20 or now really after 2, unless you're really hot on Lynch. I wait until next yr and see how it plays out. There could be another Osweiler situation. You could have a bad season and get your QB. Or you could go Ditka and give up your whole draft and part of the next one. Point is if you force the QB you will be setback for 4-5 yrs.
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This isn't necessarily true anymore with the rookie cap... see Washington
 
JB said:
This isn't necessarily true anymore with the rookie cap... see Washington
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It's never been about the money to me. It's about the QB touching the ball every snap & how that effects every other position.

For instance, our OL had been much maligned when David Carr was here. Top 10 in run blocking, worst in the league in pass blocking. Replace David Carr with Matt Schaub & all of a sudden OL becomes a strength of our team.

If I didn't go to any games in 2006, I'd be under the impression that Andre Johnson was the only receiver that ever got opened. From the stands, I could see WRs & TEs get open regularly & a QB who just wouldn't pull the trigger.

We were one of the dumb organizations that kept denying the simple fact, that Carr gave us no chance to win. That's what set us back, where Washington seemed to prepare themselves from day 1 to move on, by drafting Cousins.

Jacksonville & Tennessee are better examples. Not one part of their offense got better while they were waiting on Vince, Locker, or Gabbert. Even their defenses suffered by being on the field too much, or maybe just not giving a damn because of their QB situation.

Osweiler's contract makes you think we've learned our lesson. However, time will tell.
 
If I was able to (say I worked for the Texans in some capacity where I could do this) I'd release Hoyer 2-3 more times before he signed with someone. Now I know you're thinking that's just mean but seriously. Just out of the blue announce that we'd released him. Then when Pancakes says "You can't release him again. He's not on your team anymore" I'd just smile and say "Just making sure"
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but there isn't going to be a QB good enough to justify picking one at 20 or now really after 2, unless you're really hot on Lynch. I wait until next yr and see how it plays out. There could be another Osweiler situation. You could have a bad season and get your QB. Or you could go Ditka and give up your whole draft and part of the next one. Point is if you force the QB you will be setback for 4-5 yrs.
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And what makes you think next year is going to be any different? You say this every year. Then we get to next year and it's the same thing. Eternally waiting on the perfect QB to come out is no different than picking the wrong one. They both set you back.
 
WolverineFan said:
And what makes you think next year is going to be any different? You say this every year. Then we get to next year and it's the same thing. Eternally waiting on the perfect QB to come out is no different than picking the wrong one. They both set you back.
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I understand what you're saying, but if I'm not in love with a QB, I'm not taking him in the first. If I really like a QB, I'll take my chances & try to get him in the third or later.

Especially if I have a coach I believe in offensively. Say a Gary Kubiak, or Mike Holmgren. I'd take a Matt Schaub in the third, or a Hasselbeck in the sixth.

If I had a Sean Peyton, I'd consider a Romo, undrafted.

But I'm not taking a QB in the first if I'm not in love with him... however, it's easy enough for me to fall in love with QBs. This year, I'm in love with Cook, Hogan, & Driskel in that order & it's one of those three I'd plan on getting in this draft.
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

I did not know whether here or with one the endless rick smith bashing threads

“I think I probably could have gotten a pick, honestly, but I think in fairness to him — this was an organizational decision,” Smith told reporters. “Everything that we do and when we do it, we have multiple conversations about it and while there may have been some value there for us organizationally, we just felt like it was the right time to do it, and not just for him but for us as well. It was just the right time we felt organizationally and so we made the move.”
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thunderkyss said:
I understand what you're saying, but if I'm not in love with a QB, I'm not taking him in the first. If I really like a QB, I'll take my chances & try to get him in the third or later.

Especially if I have a coach I believe in offensively. Say a Gary Kubiak, or Mike Holmgren. I'd take a Matt Schaub in the third, or a Hasselbeck in the sixth.

If I had a Sean Peyton, I'd consider a Romo, undrafted.

But I'm not taking a QB in the first if I'm not in love with him... however, it's easy enough for me to fall in love with QBs. This year, I'm in love with Cook, Hogan, & Driskel in that order & it's one of those three I'd plan on getting in this draft.
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This makes no sense to me and also falls in the said every year category.

Your whole rationalization for passing and/or passing early is on this amorphous "if you don't love a QG." Well the Texans should have been better at falling in love with QBs from 2011-2016.

And it's doubly odd because you fall in love with 2-3 destined to be backup QBs each year and declare the ratings all screwy.
 
WolverineFan said:
And what makes you think next year is going to be any different? You say this every year. Then we get to next year and it's the same thing. Eternally waiting on the perfect QB to come out is no different than picking the wrong one. They both set you back.
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I disagree. Picking the wrong QB sets you back more than waiting for the right QB. If you pick the wrong QB, you have to hand him the reins and give him his opportunity. And in the process, you waste a draft pick that you could have used to make the team better, and you doom a coach to be judged by that QB's performance even if that QB wasn't a guy the coach wanted to tie his performance to.

BUT!!!!

No one should wait for the "perfect" QB because those are too rare and opportunities to land them too few. A coach and his staff and his offensive system has to find a guy that can win games and then lift him up, prop him up, give him the resources he needs to be a winner. If that means digging through the trash heap and starting 8 QBs over the course of two seasons, fine.

And over the course of 3-4 seasons, that coach/GM combo have to find 1 guy and make him The Guy. Because over the course of 3-4 seasons, they should have the opportunity to land a guy who is good and who will be a fit. The coach/GM combo don't get a free pass to skip every year because they don't see the perfect guy.

If any of those guys they skipped over turn out to be good QBs, then that Coach/GM have to be held accountable for missing an opportunity.

But I will never, ever agree with just picking a guy because you need to have a guy.
 
thunderkyss said:
I understand what you're saying, but if I'm not in love with a QB, I'm not taking him in the first. If I really like a QB, I'll take my chances & try to get him in the third or later.

Especially if I have a coach I believe in offensively. Say a Gary Kubiak, or Mike Holmgren. I'd take a Matt Schaub in the third, or a Hasselbeck in the sixth.

If I had a Sean Peyton, I'd consider a Romo, undrafted.

But I'm not taking a QB in the first if I'm not in love with him... however, it's easy enough for me to fall in love with QBs. This year, I'm in love with Cook, Hogan, & Driskel in that order & it's one of those three I'd plan on getting in this draft.
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What's love got to do with it?
 
Hervoyel said:
Then when Pancakes says "You can't release him again. He's not on your team anymore" I'd just smile and say "Just making sure"
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Except the fact that if those words are coming from his cake hole, then what are the chances of it really being true? Yeah, better go ahead and release him a few more times.
 
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