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TexansBull said:
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Texans promote James Liipfert to executive director of player personnel, executive VP title added for GM Nick Caserio

Texans promote several scouts, name new assistant special teams coordinator
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A lot of people getting title changes. Click on link if interested.
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Danny Barrett to assistant HC is a good move. He has stuck around multiple coaching staff’s for a reason and has been a HC at different levels. A veteran coach that can take some of the extra work off DeMeco’s plate.

If the Texans prove to have nailed the last two drafts then I expect a team will snag Liipfert as their GM. He is Caserio’s right hand man.
 
JB said:
Do you put so much effort in everything you don't like? Don't you think that's strange? You're a great poster when you talk football but you seem to have forgotten how to do that.
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Great effort? LMAO, the McNair's make it where I dont have to put out much effort at all. In fact they give us plenty of material to work with.

You wanna talk football lets talk football. I'll go 1st. What players do you think will make the greatest impact on offense and defense. I'm thinking if healthy on offense, Schultz and Scruggs. On defense Perryman/Ward/WA. Yours?
 
steelbtexan said:
You wanna talk football lets talk football. I'll go 1st. What players do you think will make the greatest impact on offense and defense. I'm thinking if healthy on offense, Schultz and Scruggs. On defense Perryman/Ward/WA. Yours?
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I agree with you and I think Mason will make a huge difference and Rankins will be solid. I expect Slowik's offense and Ryan's defense to be much better than what we saw last year also.
 
JB said:
I agree with you and I think Mason will make a huge difference and Rankins will be solid. I expect Slowik's offense and Ryan's defense to be much better than what we saw last year also.
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I expect the defense to be top 15.

The offense will struggle and not just because of Stroud. Things like Green coming off of surgery and having to rehab will be a setback in his conditioning and weight training. Can Collins stay healthy and not necessarily become a WR1, but a chain mover and rz threat? You have to assume he can't because he's never made it through anything close to a full season healthy. Etc ...

Besides a WR1 what do you think the greatest need on offense is?
 
steelbtexan said:
The offense will struggle and not just because of Stroud. Things like Green coming off of surgery and having to rehab will be a setback in his conditioning and weight training. Can Collins stay healthy and not necessarily become a WR1, but a chain mover and rz threat? You have to assume he can't because he's never made it through anything close to a full season healthy. Etc ...
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That's the pessimistic view and I hope you are wrong. I expect offense to make big strides after the bye
 
santo said:
Will Anderson’s agent told him to change his position title to DE instead of linebacker to get the most money. I guess Anderson is money hungry too. :smiliepalm:
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I’ve seen Demeco quoted as telling WA that he is going to play with his hands in the dirt. Sounds like a DE to me?
 
JB said:
Why are you a member of this forum if you don't like talking football?
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Something apparently he doesn't understand is 2 people can disagree and still enjoy talking about things.

We try to talk football and he makes a post like this. If you ever wonder what's wrong with this MB look no further than posts like his.
 
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I recently heard a stat regarding SB champs which is at very least very interesting. The last six SB champs have had offensive HCs. Progressive rule changes appear to be in great part responsible for this. The feeling is that defensive minds have not developed schemes that have changed much to be able to counter the rule changes that continue to create advantages for the offense to score. It will be very interesting to see if our HC can break the pattern.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I recently heard a stat regarding SB champs which is at very least very interesting. The last six SB champs have had offensive HCs. Progressive rule changes appear to be in great part responsible for this. The feeling is that defensive minds have not developed schemes that have changed much to be able to counter the rule changes that continue to create advantages for the offense to score. It will be very interesting to see if our HC can break the pattern.
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It'd sure be nice to see some rule changes to favor the defense to even things up and give defenses a fighting chance again
 
JB said:
It'd sure be nice to see some rule changes to favor the defense to even things up and give defenses a fighting chance again
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For sure. But defenses have not shown much propensity to change from their old traditional approaches. Innovation and creativity has not been seen for years.........actually decades. Defenses do not have control over the rules............they have been stale and stagnant.............they must evolve............or, like all things, they will "die."
 
Here is a quote from an article dated 12/11/2022.

"NFL owners seem more committed than ever to hiring offensive coaches. In the last five hiring cycles, 36 head coaches had been hired by NFL teams. 24 of them had an offensive background, while only 11 of them came from the defense."

Here is an excerpt from an interesting article that breaks down Win/Loss record by head coach philosophy from 2015-2020.

Win/Loss record by head coach philosophy

2020:

OHC: 142 - 150 (.486)
DHC: 88 - 72 (.550)

2019:

OHC: 151.5 - 157.5 (.490)
DHC: 87.5 - 84.5 (.509)

2018

OHC: 146 - 130 (.529)
DHC: 93 - 115 (.447)

2017:

OHC: 136 - 148 (.479)
DHC: 110 - 98 (.529)

2016:

OHC: 139 - 133 (.511)
DHC: 108 - 110 (.495)

2015:

OHC: 100 - 102 (.495)
DHC: 143 - 129 (.526)

For the entire six-year span, here’s the overall breakdown:

2015-2020

OHC: 814.5 - 820.5 (.498)
DHC: 629.5 - 608.5 (.508)

In other words, there hasn’t been a significant difference in success between offensive and defensive-minded head coaches despite a clear trend towards hiring offensive-minded guys.
 
I'm really looking forward to watching, following, and rooting for this team. However, I look at this season as a building and development year. New coaches, new systems, new players. It's going to take time. Management is going to figure out what works, who can play, and where they'll need to get better through next year's draft and free agency. I'm hoping that, next year, we'll be talking a trip to the Super Bowl!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I recently heard a stat regarding SB champs which is at very least very interesting. The last six SB champs have had offensive HCs. Progressive rule changes appear to be in great part responsible for this. The feeling is that defensive minds have not developed schemes that have changed much to be able to counter the rule changes that continue to create advantages for the offense to score. It will be very interesting to see if our HC can break the pattern.
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Is Belichick not a defensive minded HC?? Also, 4 of the last 7 SB winners and 6 of the last 10, had defenses 11th or better, 3 of those in the top 5 including 2 with #1 defenses.

And scoring last year was down 1.1 points per game from 2021 and 2.9 PPG from 2020. So even with all the advantages offenses get from the rules, defenses are still holding up pretty well. And honestly, their hasn't been that much fluctuation in points per game in the last 15 years or so.
 
mws said:
Here is a quote from an article dated 12/11/2022.

"NFL owners seem more committed than ever to hiring offensive coaches. In the last five hiring cycles, 36 head coaches had been hired by NFL teams. 24 of them had an offensive background, while only 11 of them came from the defense."

Here is an excerpt from an interesting article that breaks down Win/Loss record by head coach philosophy from 2015-2020.

Win/Loss record by head coach philosophy

2020:

OHC: 142 - 150 (.486)
DHC: 88 - 72 (.550)

2019:

OHC: 151.5 - 157.5 (.490)
DHC: 87.5 - 84.5 (.509)

2018

OHC: 146 - 130 (.529)
DHC: 93 - 115 (.447)

2017:

OHC: 136 - 148 (.479)
DHC: 110 - 98 (.529)

2016:

OHC: 139 - 133 (.511)
DHC: 108 - 110 (.495)

2015:

OHC: 100 - 102 (.495)
DHC: 143 - 129 (.526)

For the entire six-year span, here’s the overall breakdown:

2015-2020

OHC: 814.5 - 820.5 (.498)
DHC: 629.5 - 608.5 (.508)

In other words, there hasn’t been a significant difference in success between offensive and defensive-minded head coaches despite a clear trend towards hiring offensive-minded guys.
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Since the era of extensive rule changes, I would think that the important success stats would best relate to reaching the SB.
 
Buckeye Homer said:
I'm really looking forward to watching, following, and rooting for this team. However, I look at this season as a building and development year. New coaches, new systems, new players. It's going to take time. Management is going to figure out what works, who can play, and where they'll need to get better through next year's draft and free agency. I'm hoping that, next year, we'll be talking a trip to the Super Bowl!
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Yup, year 1 of a rebuild we started 3 years ago.
 
Speedy said:
Is Belichick not a defensive minded HC?? Also, 4 of the last 7 SB winners and 6 of the last 10, had defenses 11th or better, 3 of those in the top 5 including 2 with #1 defenses.

And scoring last year was down 1.1 points per game from 2021 and 2.9 PPG from 2020. So even with all the advantages offenses get from the rules, defenses are still holding up pretty well. And honestly, their hasn't been that much fluctuation in points per game in the last 15 years or so.
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I've already been corrected on the Belichick stat. My stat post was regarding the type of HC taking the SB in the last 6 years. All else is moving the goal post.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I've already been corrected on the Belichick stat. My stat post was regarding the type of HC taking the SB in the last 6 years. All else is moving the goal post.
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The more you have of one over the other, the better chance the majority is going to make the SB. You can have 32 offensive minded HCs and only one is winning the SB. So that doesn't prove anything.

And if this is true...
mws said:
In the last five hiring cycles, 36 head coaches had been hired by NFL teams. 24 of them had an offensive background, while only 11 of them came from the defense."
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...again , the more you have of one type, the better the odds of that type getting there. And it still doesn't change the fact that points per game have come down the last 2 years despite all of these offensive minds taking charge.

There is no set in stone way to go about it. Even getting a franchise/top tier QB, which I believe is necessary to be competitive year in and year out, doesn't win you SBs. See Rodgers and Brees for a couple of examples of that. 38 years combined, only 2 SB wins. And Brees had offensive minded Sean Payton, Rodgers had McCarthy and LaFleur.

So if I'm moving the goal post, which is bullshit, but so be it. At least I don't take some arbitrary stat and run with it without looking beyond the surface. This game is a lot more complex than that.
 
Speedy said:
The more you have of one over the other, the better chance the majority is going to make the SB. You can have 32 offensive minded HCs and only one is winning the SB. So that doesn't prove anything.

And if this is true...

...again , the more you have of one type, the better the odds of that type getting there. And it still doesn't change the fact that points per game have come down the last 2 years despite all of these offensive minds taking charge.

There is no set in stone way to go about it. Even getting a franchise/top tier QB, which I believe is necessary to be competitive year in and year out, doesn't win you SBs. See Rodgers and Brees for a couple of examples of that. 38 years combined, only 2 SB wins. And Brees had offensive minded Sean Payton, Rodgers had McCarthy and LaFleur.

So if I'm moving the goal post, which is bullshit, but so be it. At least I don't take some arbitrary stat and run with it without looking beyond the surface. This game is a lot more complex than that.
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Says your spreadsheet tell you this?
 
thunderkyss said:
Yup, year 1 of a rebuild we started 3 years ago.
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In reality……it can never be overstated the ducking mess OB and Easterby left this organization in. I didn’t mention Watson’s hand in this mess b/c his stupidity at least landed the team draft capital to crawl out of this crater.

I believe OB’s wrecking job was probably the largest in professional sports, although Isaiah Thomas’ wrecking job with the Knicks was possibly on equal ground.

I figured the Texans turnaround would be a five year plan at minimum based on how far below the break even point they were, in terms of cap space, contracts, coaching staff, and talent, when Caserio arrived.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I figured the Texans turnaround would be a five year plan at minimum based on how far below the break even point they were, in terms of cap space, contracts, coaching staff, and talent, when Caserio arrived.
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Five years total? Or from the time they start digging out of the hole they are in?

This is the 1st year it feels like we're digging out. But if they fire HCs & Coordinators, or GMs... it's all for naught.
 
mws said:
Refer to this post for a list of stats. Out of the last 6 SBs the team who's defense allowed the fewest points in the regular season are 5-1. Out of the last 10 they are 8-2.
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Good post! At the end of the day, having a franchise QB isn't enough. You have coaching, a little luck and play complementary football to win Super Bowls. Too often we want to evaluate teams in a vacuum. It doesn't work like that. I bet these highly ranked defenses are generating turnovers and giving the offense short fields and the offenses are winning TOP and keeping their defenses fresh.
 
thunderkyss said:
Five years total? Or from the time they start digging out of the hole they are in?

This is the 1st year it feels like we're digging out. But if they fire HCs & Coordinators, or GMs... it's all for naught.
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Yeah, I am not buying this as year one just because we may have finally signed the correct coach after Culley and Lovie.
 
In this day & age I don't think anybody can deny that the QB is the most important single player but as a group IMO the offense is not more important than the defense. You need both to succeed in the NFL.

The Kubiak era is a good example of this. The Texans finished among the top-10 highest-scoring teams in four seasons (2009-2012). It wasn't until 2011 when Wade Phillips became the DC & we moved up to #4 in points allowed (278) & #2 in yards allowed (4571) that we made the playoffs for the first time. Again in 2012 when we made the playoffs we were in the top 10 in points & yardage allowed & a top 10 team in scoring.
 
badboy said:
Yeah, I am not buying this as year one just because we may have finally signed the correct coach after Culley and Lovie.
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I’ve got them at the half way point. 2023 will put them at 3.5 years in. I hope they’re a very competitive group this season while securing 6-9 wins. If this happens, the 2024 draft and free agency period could be what locks them into some consistent playoff runs.
 
Here is a another example of offense & defense working together.

In 2018 Patrick Mahomes had one of the best years in NFL history but their defense was bad (at least in points allowed #24). They lost the SB.

2018 | 383-580 66.0% | 5097 Yards | 50 TDs | INT: 12 | Passer Rating: 113.8 | QBR: 80.3 | Defense #24 in Points Allowed with 421 Points

The next year Mahomes threw for 24 less TDs than he did in 2018 but the Chiefs defense improved from #24 to #7 in points allowed & the Chiefs won the SB.

2019 | 319-484 65.9% | 4031 Yards | 26 TDs | INT: 12 | Passer Rating: 105.3 | QBR: 77.7 | Defense #7 in Points Allowed with 308 Points
 
steelbtexan said:
Something apparently he doesn't understand is 2 people can disagree and still enjoy talking about things.

We try to talk football and he makes a post like this. If you ever wonder what's wrong with this MB look no further than posts like his.
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JB said:
Do you put so much effort in everything you don't like? Don't you think that's strange? You're a great poster when you talk football but you seem to have forgotten how to do that.
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JB said:
Why are you a member of this forum if you don't like talking football?
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So, what am I missing here? I simply made a post recognizing the fact that despite appearances I’m assuming someone will quickly revert to some agenda which, despite the rhetoric, ain’t football.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
In reality……it can never be overstated the ducking mess OB and Easterby left this organization in. I didn’t mention Watson’s hand in this mess b/c his stupidity at least landed the team draft capital to crawl out of this crater.

I believe OB’s wrecking job was probably the largest in professional sports, although Isaiah Thomas’ wrecking job with the Knicks was possibly on equal ground.

I figured the Texans turnaround would be a five year plan at minimum based on how far below the break even point they were, in terms of cap space, contracts, coaching staff, and talent, when Caserio arrived.
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Matt millen and Dan Snyder were worse. New to the list (who probably already is on the list).. Jimmy Haslam.
 
badboy said:
Yeah, I am not buying this as year one just because we may have finally signed the correct coach after Culley and Lovie.
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Fire & Hire a new coach you’re starting over again. Especially if you’re bringing in another system (offense & defense).

Just like you need continuity on the OL, in the secondary & at the QB position you need continuity at the coaching level.

It would be nice if you could hire a coach who can adapt to the players & systems in place, but now even young coaches are set in their ways.
 
thunderkyss said:
Fire & Hire a new coach you’re starting over again. Especially if you’re bringing in another system (offense & defense).

Just like you need continuity on the OL, in the secondary & at the QB position you need continuity at the coaching level.

It would be nice if you could hire a coach who can adapt to the players & systems in place, but now even young coaches are set in their ways.
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I tend to agree in general, but I can see someone making a strong case for NC's arrival.

The Culley year was a mulligan imo.
 
powda said:
I tend to agree in general, but I can see someone making a strong case for NC's arrival.

The Culley year was a mulligan imo.
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Of course it started when Caserio arrived.

started over when he fired Culley.

started over, again when he fired Lovie.


no one from the Culley draft will make it past 2023 as a starter. Fingers crossed for Nico, hoping against hope for BJordan.

I personally think Nick drafted Stingley & Pitre looking past Lovie. But if we’re stuck on Lovie picking Stingley… only a matter of time before DeMeco replaces him.

I can see Green playing a lot of inside zone, I could be wrong but I’m not seeing a stretch zone or pulling Guard.

But we’ll see.
 
thunderkyss said:
Of course it started when Caserio arrived.

started over when he fired Culley.

started over, again when he fired Lovie.
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Depends on how you judge the team. Does Caserio get a free pass everytime he hires a new hc or does the rebuild start when he's on the clock?
 
powda said:
Depends on how you judge the team. Does Caserio get a free pass everytime he hires a new hc or does the rebuild start when he's on the clock?
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Every time you change a HC you start over. In our case if you change OC, you’re starting over

You’re either building on what you did last year or you’re starting over.

Culley wasn’t here long enough to establish anything. Neither was Lovie. Hopefully DeMeco will be around long enough to establish something to build on
 
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