infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well yes, but keep in mind that quote comes from a sport where it's ok for one team to spend $250 mil and another to spend $25 mil.
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The Marlins are doing the right thing by stripping the 85 win roster while paying down the debt that it cost to buy the team. If Jeter gets the rebuild right they could look alot like the Stros in the NL.
Sometimes you gotta take a step back to get yourself out of mediocrity. Most fans will buy in if you're honest with them. If you get rebuild right and I wouldn't bet against Jeter in a few yrs there my be more championships down in Miami.
Only difference is Luhnow is a genius level person who understands both the financial and talent acquisition aspects of running an organization.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
McClain conveniently cherry picks his very few isolated examples...............since the inception of the team's existence. For a truly well-balanced piece, it would have been interesting to compare the numbers that were busts, slackards or never worked out beyond weak place holders.
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History shows Texans can find draft talent in third and later rounds
By John McClain, Houston Chronicle
April 21, 2018 Updated: April 21, 2018 5:44pm
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History shows Texans can find draft talent in third and later rounds
By John McClain, Houston Chronicle
April 21, 2018 Updated: April 21, 2018 5:44pm
Give me some Sam Montgomery/Brennan Williams/Trevardo Williams.
Was the point of the piece to show a "batting average" or to point out the draft is not totally lost because we traded heavily to get Watson?
I'm looking at this draft as a depth draft (and maybe build the ST) and not a 'we gotta find some starters' draft.
What other strategy can you take without a rd 1 or 2 pick?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
When you have 1st and 2nd rnd picks, you can more afford to just obtain depth and STs players in the later rounds. Fourteen examples in sixteen drafts is hardly very encouraging...........more like putting lipstick on a pig. But this is a new regime and a new day, and I hope we can pound some coal to make some diamonds.
So you'd rather have those two picks, keep Osweiler, and forego drafting Watson??
....and it's not a "new regime", well not completely, on the coaching side.
So you'd rather have those two picks, keep Osweiler, and forego drafting Watson??
....and it's not a "new regime", well not completely, on the coaching side.
How about trading this yrs 1 and keeping Os last yr/keeping the 2nd. Then cutting Os this offseason.
I agree that scenario would have been better but I think O'Brien wanted Osweiler gone - no matter what it took - after the reported blow-up between the two of them.
Rick Smith did what he had to do to comply with his HC while trying to save some cap space. We've used that cap space to help sign this year's crop of F/As.
So there's that.
Anyway, water over the dam at this point.
This is true, but in hindsight trading a 2nd to get rid of Oz was stupid. They could have just cut him and ate the dead money
miniscule to an old man like uncle Bob
there you go again
and in what universe does cap space accrue interest
....and you were doing so well.
there you go again
and in what universe does cap space accrue interest
....and you were doing so well.
What bank does the saved cap space $$$$ go in?
Or does McNair bury it in a coffee can in his backyard?
What was the cost of living increase? The Cowboys game I'm sure didn't factor in
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
In what other capitalist venue do you fault business owners for raising prices because they can?
Fyi, inflation to stay even was 2.1%.
One that the community has helped him have his franchise valued 2.8 billion, a cool 2.1 bil over what he paid for the franchise. Especially since the community that helped him make that profit has been ravaged by a flood of biblical proportions.
To each his own and I'm done here.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Cuz you know paper value and money in the pocket are the same. Actually you do know the difference if the discussion doesn't involve McNair.
Apparently you dont understand the phrase
I'm done here
# Not wasting anymore of my time with your BS.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
First, thanks to the 'carryover' rule, unused cap money rolls over to the next year. As a knowledgeable football fan, I thought you knew that. Last year the Texans had $5.0 mil in carryover money. Not sure what they carried over from 2017 into their 2018 cap number.
Second, why just McNair and not Jerruh too?
....coffee can...
SMH
I know that, but where does the actual $$$$ go? In a bank and it draws interest. A few million here and there starts to add up. I dont care what Jerrah does with his team.
The problem with your "theory" is that you think the money belongs to McNair. All the money from TV, cable, jerseys, ticket sales, etc. gets dumped into a big "kitty" named NFL Ventures and split between the 32 owners. You're talking $13-14 billion and that was last season. LINK
That averages out to $437 mil/team. That's not the kind of money McNair deposits in his local credit union at 1-1/2 - 2 %.
You're thinking too small
The problem with your "theory" is that you think the money belongs to McNair. All the money from TV, cable, jerseys, ticket sales, etc. gets dumped into a big "kitty" named NFL Ventures and split between the 32 owners. You're talking $13-14 billion and that was last season. LINK
That averages out to $437 mil/team. That's not the kind of money McNair deposits in his local credit union at 1-1/2 - 2 %.
You're thinking too small
It's $$$$ he has that he's not spending.
what do you mean "he's not spending"?
We signed 13 free agents this year (so far); only 4 were our own guys we re-signed.
LINK
so what ARE you on about??
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Drugs.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
So how much cap space do we have?
However much cap space is left over after the draft and udfa, extensions
There's no sense in discussing this anymore. You think they've done all they can do to improve the team, I don't and no minds are going to be changed.
I've already wasted enough time on this topic and won't be wasting anymore.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
For the 573,273,052nd time.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You are the one with fuzzy math. Now you are moving the goal posts saying that Obiswan was saying that McNair was doing enough. It was all about your math.
now you're lying on me.
I never said any such thing
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
And what I've said about how the McNair's run their org rings true every time.
I'm really enjoying watching well run orgs like the Astros/Rockets, regardless of how their seasons turn out.
The same people have been saying the same things for years and the same results keep on happening. But hey y'all continue on living in denial.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Aaaand I think the Texans need, and I mean need another option at RB.
Someone with reliable hands and can block.
A swiss army knife who has been flying pretty much under the radar and would make a great addition to the team is a guy by the name of Jaylen Samuels out of N.C. State. 5' 11" 225lbs.
The most versatile dude in the draft can play TE, WR, RB, FB.
Has very reliable hands and now holds his schools record for receptions and is a red zone weapon.
Need I say more?
Someone with reliable hands and can block.
A swiss army knife who has been flying pretty much under the radar and would make a great addition to the team is a guy by the name of Jaylen Samuels out of N.C. State. 5' 11" 225lbs.
The most versatile dude in the draft can play TE, WR, RB, FB.
Has very reliable hands and now holds his schools record for receptions and is a red zone weapon.
Need I say more?
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
Depending on what we do in the draft, would anyone be interested in Antonio Gates on a 1 year deal? I'm always against signing really old players (will be 38 by the time the season starts) but he might be able to coach up the rookie (if we draft one) + offer whatever he has left in the tank as a #2/#3 TE.
He started 1 game last year and had 6 receptions, 81 yards and a TD.
He started 1 game last year and had 6 receptions, 81 yards and a TD.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Antonio Gates would be a solid addition to this team.
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
Seems like a smart addition. Even at 38, he will be a solid player. He won't cost much and can offer knowledge to the young guys.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Gates is interesting to consider. Over the last 3 seasons he's start just 15 games. He's had a number of lower body injuries over his career, none severe; but he has had several pedal plantar fascia tears (two of which were grade 3), pulls and strains of his right foot. In 2016 he had a grade 2 thigh hamstring strain which caused him to miss a two and a half games.
All that said, I believe he could still be a productive red zone threat but he's probably not your #1 TE. He'd have to be utilized wisely because he is at the age where his body could rapidly give out on him, especially his back due to all the lower body issues.
All that said, I believe he could still be a productive red zone threat but he's probably not your #1 TE. He'd have to be utilized wisely because he is at the age where his body could rapidly give out on him, especially his back due to all the lower body issues.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Add to his lower body injuries, last year, his knees were giving him significant problems. Unrelated, he also enjoyed a lacerated kidney the end of last season.
Texansballer74
The Marine
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ns-could-be-potential-post-draft-roster-cuts/
Lamar Miller, RB, Houston Texans
The writing was arguably on the wall for Miller when the Texans drafted D'Onta Foreman last year. Miller held him off during the 2017 campaign and Foreman is coming off an injury, but there were already rumors this offseason that Houston might move on from the soon-to-be 27-year-old back -- and those rumors make sense. Miller averaged 4.0 yards per carry during his first season with the Texans and just 3.7 per carry last year. He's never necessarily been a bell-cow back, and his cap hit ($6.75 million) far exceeds his usefulness, especially if the Texans center their offense on Deshaun Watson and not the running game, as is expected. Houston can take a back at pretty much any point during the draft and use him in rotation with Foreman, and probably get the same production it has gotten from Miller these last two years.
Lamar Miller, RB, Houston Texans
The writing was arguably on the wall for Miller when the Texans drafted D'Onta Foreman last year. Miller held him off during the 2017 campaign and Foreman is coming off an injury, but there were already rumors this offseason that Houston might move on from the soon-to-be 27-year-old back -- and those rumors make sense. Miller averaged 4.0 yards per carry during his first season with the Texans and just 3.7 per carry last year. He's never necessarily been a bell-cow back, and his cap hit ($6.75 million) far exceeds his usefulness, especially if the Texans center their offense on Deshaun Watson and not the running game, as is expected. Houston can take a back at pretty much any point during the draft and use him in rotation with Foreman, and probably get the same production it has gotten from Miller these last two years.
Scooter
Funky
Hindsight my butt, that was a bogus move from step one and I said so repeatedly. A 2nd round pick and backup quarterback for a little bit of funny money that at best we'd use for a 36 year old that wouldn't survive camp - and we jumped on it. Instead of responsibly eating the cap hit for a year and retaining a quarterback familiar with the system, O'Brien/Smith/McNair or some combination of the three panicked and to use a movie quote 'went full retard'.
Number19
Hall of Fame
To an extent, I disagree. I do agree we need to draft/upgrade at the position. But I’m thinking not this year with an early pick. With an improved OL and a new offense built around Watson, Miller will be counted upon to carry the load at RB for the coming season. And we could reasonably expect improved performance.
Everyone keeps talking about OT being a priority, and it is, but look at our roster. We don’t have any depth at OG.
Two of our first four picks will, by most accounts, be an OT and a TE. The question is, will RB be one of the other two. I think it more likely that we take a RB in the sixth or seventh or sign an UDFA.
So, for 2018, it’s going to be Miller.
I think we know who panicked by who is still in the building down on Kirby.
Many said trading a 2nd to get rid of Os was stupid at the time. But hey it saved the Texans a lot of $$$$, that they still haven't used.
Allen is OG depth and hopefully they draft an OT that's capable of playing OG. (Noteboom.) Agreed about RB situation.
I cant believe (Actually I can) how thin this roster is depthwise.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I’m thinking we need to be thinking two years down the road. For this year Allen, Lamb and Mancz are our depth, behind our FA pickups who will be starting. That’s eight. I’m thinking we need to carry 10 OL’men this year, one rookie OT and one rookie OG, with the expectation that this season will be developmental.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
That’s why I want to trade down with pick 68 to get another 4 or 5 if possible. There are players in those rounds that will make the team and be valuable depth going forward.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Trouble is, there is some nice talent that could fall into our lap at 68.
If your first pick is at 80, odds are you blew a golden opportunity.
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