Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I'd be more interested if there were highly rated offensive lineman in this draft, but cornerback is going to be a big need next year too.
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1st rd talent, still has alot of growing to do.
I would give up a 3rd.
Especially since they have the Seahawks 2nd.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Say what you want about O'Brien, I think he nailed this response. Keep highlighting the good our players on and off the field. I think we have good group of guys that care not just about the Houston community but their home communities as well.
Daniel Gotera@DTGoteraKHOU
#Texans HC Bill O'Brien asked about Trump/Eagles stuff today...he chose to use that time to talk about something more important. Take a listen.
https://twitter.com/DTGoteraKHOU/status/1004129340215447553
Direct Link to video:
https://twitter.com/DTGoteraKHOU/status/1004129340215447553/video/1
Daniel Gotera@DTGoteraKHOU
#Texans HC Bill O'Brien asked about Trump/Eagles stuff today...he chose to use that time to talk about something more important. Take a listen.
https://twitter.com/DTGoteraKHOU/status/1004129340215447553
Direct Link to video:
https://twitter.com/DTGoteraKHOU/status/1004129340215447553/video/1
zshawn10
All Pro
No offseason thread so:
Highly recommend you read this article; The Texans Are the NFL’s Most High-Variance Team
Highly recommend you read this article; The Texans Are the NFL’s Most High-Variance Team
Very good read! Thanks for posting
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Yep. Depending on K Jo especially but we could very well be using a 1st or 2nd on CB next offseason. If the staff feels good about a CB in the supplemental draft then we should grab him. Then after the rookie season growing pains he’ll be ready for a bigger role year 2.
Plus in terms of roster construction I personally value CBs higher than other positions in a passing league and seeing the contracts given out to average to above average CBs entering FA. I want as many talented young CBs as possible. The more on rookie contracts the better!
I get what you're saying but I value the ol more than any position than QB because I think QB is the most important position in sports and you need a good/great OL to protect your investment in your QB. The Texans didn't do this for Carr and now they aren't doing it with Watson. History is repeating itself and the Texans will never win anything until their philosophy changes. A great OL also helps the run game which shortens the amount of time the defense is on the field, thus helping the defense even more.
I know that you know this, but apparently the Texans org doesn't or else they would put the $$$$ and draft capital needed to protect their franchise QB.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
It's going to be addressed, at some point. Previous GM had been fixated on defensive side, new Gaines will come through with much improved OL.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Next year’s draft they have a 1st, two 2nds and a 3rd.... they aren’t using all 4 on OL. Nobody would. There will be needs needed to be filled due to normal roster turnover/FA contracts or even if the worst case scenario happens and a core player gets a career altering injury. It’s too early to bash the Gaine/OB regime for next year’s draft.
I'm not bashing Gaine, hopefully Davenport fills the LT position for the next decade. If he doesn't then a couple of those picks need to be OT's even if that means trading up in the draft. They need to fix the OL and didn't have the draft capital to do that this offseason. The BO fiasco cost this team Connor Williams.
You can happily bash Smith for that fiasco.
I wish I didn't have to bash him. His work speaks for itself.
10 yrs too late. IMHO
Wasted time.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Same thing is happening in baseball. Society can't keep their minds on something for more than 5 minutes any more and sure as hell can't sit through a 3 hour football or baseball game.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man I surely hope the pieces that they added to that offensive line plans out. That way some folks can find something else to complain about.
Hopefully the coaching improved as well. That's the biggest issue I had. They're not coaching them boys up right.
Hopefully the coaching improved as well. That's the biggest issue I had. They're not coaching them boys up right.
Add premium talent and I bet the coaching miraculously gets better.
badboy
Hall of Fame
We should be able to get four very good players in 2019 draft first three rounds. Key player on DBs IMO has to be Kevin Johnson but Colvin and Bademosi should be impressive. We could pick up free agents like Matthew LT for Falcons PFF ranting 80.1 and LCB Justin Coleman PFF 81.8. We seemingly did very well with Colvin and Matthiue and it could happen again. I guess I'm just choosing to be optimistic..for now.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I have a hard time believing Falcons let Jake Matthews walk. But if they do...
badboy
Hall of Fame
I agree Joker but we said that about Badger. We have tons of money so we will see. He was just an example of possibilities in off season. Personally I think our tackles are pretty much set going forward but Gaines will look to strengthen all positions.
zshawn10
All Pro
Pat did a podcast with Lance Z today
Around the 28:00 mark; personal and Texan updates
https://audioboom.com/posts/6889324-06-08-2018-the-bench-hour-1
Around the 28:00 mark; personal and Texan updates
https://audioboom.com/posts/6889324-06-08-2018-the-bench-hour-1
badboy
Hall of Fame
From Doc's injury thread:
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Edit: Hal has 4 accrued seasons which IIRC locks him into NFL pension and I would surmise McNair will keep him on roster a while for income purposes. Link to benefits for retired players:
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Oh..prayers for him and family. Justin Reid a wise choice it seems will definitely start.
Edit: Hal has 4 accrued seasons which IIRC locks him into NFL pension and I would surmise McNair will keep him on roster a while for income purposes. Link to benefits for retired players:
https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/resource/nfl-benefits/
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Horrible news, praying for him.
So what does the safety depth look like now?
So what does the safety depth look like now?
Scooter
Funky
Obviously, but I would argue that the reverse is more important. XSF should have been premium talent, but busted the same as everyone else we've brought in. O'Brien has had 4+ years to build an offensive line, and outside of scheme dependent centers looking average - we don't really have a starter on the team*. Offensive line in the NFL vs college is wildly different and takes more coaching than any other position. XSF is 10 times as gifted as Eric Winson - one was coached, one wasn't. Heck I don't think Winston would've survived more than 3 years on most any other team, but reverse roles and XSF probably looks a lot like Brandon Brooks right now.
*With our influx of 6th man, I worry that we just signed reincarnations of Clark, Allan and Giacomini.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You have premium talent in Martin and Mancz. Filo had the potential but the coaching did him a disservice. Allen was a a premium talent in Kansas City.
So again it's coaching. They have to do a better job coaching these players up. Bill O'Brien have to adjust his philosophy for the line just like he did with Watson. The backups should be the players who can play several positions.
So again it's coaching. They have to do a better job coaching these players up. Bill O'Brien have to adjust his philosophy for the line just like he did with Watson. The backups should be the players who can play several positions.
Eric Winston was 6'7" former TE who ran under 5.00..He was a physically gifted athlete and well-regarded prospect. The overall point about the Texans poor coaching and development is fine and probably accurate, but the portrayal of Winston seems a bit off.
Scooter
Funky
Being a bit loose with the term 'premium talent' I think. Mancz had one good year that coincided with XSF having one good year ... having watched the tape it's not a coincidence because they spent the majority of the season schemed into a double team in both rush and pass blocking (looks good when it's 2v1). Martin has 14 games under his belt, but yes he should be a premium - though hasn't looked it to me. Allan wasn't a premium - he wasn't even a starter.
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Scooter
Funky
You're probably right, I'm going off of my own (less than reliable) memory. 3rd round pick with no hips and short arms aren't my memory though, he struggled mightily with the outside rush. Being technically sound helped him sell the offense as Kubiak ran it, but had trouble with leverage and a whole lot of talk about lack of motivation (politician). Maybe he excels elsewhere - I doubt it. 28 years old, trained by Kubiak and Gibbs, Winston should've commanded a major salary - instead he had one more starting season before going full politician ... and backup tackle.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Kansas City ChiefsEdit
In his rookie season, Allen appeared in all 16 games, and became a starter at left guard by Week 4 against the San Diego Chargers.
I probably should've said Martin and Mancz had the potential to be premium talents. Unfortunately injuries have derailed that process along with coaching.
Scooter
Funky
Now quote Allen's two seasons before he signed with the Texans.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He was injured during those years. His first two years he was a stud for KC starting 27 games. In 2014 he only played 1 game and in 2015 he started and played only 8 games.
Scooter
Funky
Does that make it better? Cut after 4 seasons as he became a 6th man for the Chiefs due to injury, and has struggled to stay healthy here. Not a premium talent once we got him, but I concede your point which agrees with my initial statement that coaching is the bigger issue - could Allen have seen a resurgence at LG if used properly? Quite possibly.
He certainly looked much better the few opportunities he did have a chance to play on the left side... Perhaps he could be servicable at LG and Fulton could take over RG. Be a solid interior line, but tackles still look near to hopeless
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Scooter I'm doing this from memory but in Mancz's season as starting center, Su'a-Filo was still being himself until Brown returned. Once Brown was back at LT and with Mancz playing so well at center, they sort of drug Su'a-Filo's underperforming arse up and gave false hope to everyone (me included) that he had finally turned the corner. He went right back into the crapper once Brown was gone and Martin was the starting center.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'm not that high on the teams OT's but I'm certainly not throwing in the towel before the pads even go on. If Davenport, Henderson and Rankin can get get strong support from their respective guards and TE's, they could have a decent season under a basic development situation.
I'm looking forward to the Pre-Season and first 5 games to determine what O'Brien and Devlin did with the OL. I'm hoping for solid results, but at the same time I'm relieved in knowing that the Texans have the requisite draft picks in 2019 to make corrections if needed.
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
In the meantime, all we can do is hope DW4 can survive the season without any serious injuries.
I am still hopeful they can pull off a trade for a decent tackle.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
With Andre Hal being diagnosed with Hodgkin Lymphoma does anyone think it’s likely we pick up another safety in FA? Or stand pat with what is on the roster?
I’d really like to see the team make a run at Tre Boston. Though the elder Reid might be a better fit in our 3 safety packages as a hybrid LB type... but guys who sue the NFL don’t get signed.
I’d really like to see the team make a run at Tre Boston. Though the elder Reid might be a better fit in our 3 safety packages as a hybrid LB type... but guys who sue the NFL don’t get signed.
Good overall assessment of his career as he could have had more at the end of the day..if nothing else that staff got more of his career than Winston got out his on-the-field career, especially post Texans.
Texansballer74
The Marine
PapaL
Loose Screw
I’d love to get another guy in dirt cheap.
Hal was a part of "loaded" which I am not sure of even with Hal..we have a veteran on a one year contract, a rookie and a trio of undrafted, probably don't want starting guys at safety
I never read a pre or post comment and Eric Winston is my answer.
Yeah that's kinda what I meant... hopeless wasn't the right phrase
Texansballer74
The Marine
We have Bademosi, Decoud, Drummonds, and Moore who all have the potential to be very serviceable in Coach Ronnie Crennel scheme. Add in the Badger and the rookie who I believe is really good. We are set.
Listing the names and using potential, serviceable, and set isn't moving the conversation forward any.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
People get so freaking snappy and snarky around these parts to quickly. I listed those names because those players will be competing for time, have played in this system before, and are players we've drafted. I didn't list them to challenge anybody on this forum.
Or perhaps you just tend to take every disagreement with you personally and tend to reply with words like snarky and snappy instead of furthering the conversation
Heard an interesting tidbit over the weekend that I thought I’d share with you guys. I was at a track and FB conference over the weekend and some former Texan employees were there. One of the HS coaches at the event was talking about one of his kids that ran a 10.3 100m but couldn’t catch the FB well at all. One of the former Texans told the HS coach to have his kid checked for depth perception issues. He said the we had a first round draft pick that had an issue with drops and had some key drops in big games. He said they had his eyes checked and that he had an issue with one of his eyes, they had the issue corrected, and the next season he was much better at catching the ball. Has to be Fuller. I was happy to hear this.
I like Fuller (I’m a big ND fan) and thought he was really effective with Watson last season. Hopefully the drops are a thing of the past. Now, if we can just keep him on the field.....
I like Fuller (I’m a big ND fan) and thought he was really effective with Watson last season. Hopefully the drops are a thing of the past. Now, if we can just keep him on the field.....
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
All of these players are a downgrade from Hal. Boston and Reid would not be.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Your top 3 Safeties are going to play substantial minutes in today's NFL. We should def look at the other Reid and Boston. Chances are we wouldn't be able to carry all these dudes if they become productive but we will have one hell of a backfield for the year. I'd rather take a chance with those two guys than the guys we're use to seeing blowing coverages.