Texans place Franchise Tag on D Rob today.

[ChampionTexan]

That's just ignorant! You can criticize all kinds of things about the Texans. However, calling Bob McNair cheap is ridiculous. Furthermore, your argument using the ticket prices is also ignorant. Check out how ticket prices at Reliant compare to the rest of the NFL. I know I pay less than $40 per ticket for good seats and a great venue. I can't come close to that at pits like Texas Stadium. Houston ticket prices are some of the cheapest in the NFL, still! By the way, show me an example of McNair's cheapness... perhaps you recall the huge investment he made to build the stadium in hopes he could pressure the NFL into coming here instead of LA.

Would rep you if I could.

Houston ticket prices are well below the NFL average.

2008 NFL ticket prices (Please notice that a 3% increase still leaves us under last years average).

Also, if you want to complain money hasn't been spent wisely, I can't argue. If you want to argue it hasn't been spent at all, our cap problems that only this off-season have gone away would indicate otherwise.

 

[steelbtexan]

That's just ignorant! You can criticize all kinds of things about the Texans. However, calling Bob McNair cheap is ridiculous. Furthermore, your argument using the ticket prices is also ignorant. Check out how ticket prices at Reliant compare to the rest of the NFL. I know I pay less than $40 per ticket for good seats and a great venue. I can't come close to that at pits like Texas Stadium. Houston ticket prices are some of the cheapest in the NFL, still! By the way, show me an example of McNair's cheapness... perhaps you recall the huge investment he made to build the stadium in hopes he could pressure the NFL into coming here instead of LA.

The Stevenson situation for one, if he had paid him off he wouldn't be having the problems he is having now.

Before the 2008 season the Texans have had one of the lowest paid coaching staffs in the league. They could could have hired a vteran DC to replace R.Smith (G.Williams, M. Nolan come to mind) but they decided to go cheap (Bush) as a 1st time coordinator. This is the most important year in Texans history. If they dont make the playoffs it will hurt the fan base & they decide to go with a 1st year DC. (Great MOVE)

I dont care about the rest of the NFL I just think it's philisophically wrong to raise ticket prices with the economic crisis the country is currently expirencing (JMHO).

McNair made a wise decision to invest in the NFL. He has profited from his decision. The Texans are in the top 10 in most profitable franchises. The city & county along with rodeo are partners with him in the stadium. This helped limit his financial exposure.

I am all for McNair making money. He took the risk he should reap the reward. I just dont choose to look @ him as a savior. He invested in this footballl team to make money and has been quite sucessful.

I just think fans have supported this team unbelieveably well & have been served up a crappy product.

Two things have been constants in the Texans existance
1. The Texans have never had a winnig record
2. Uncle Bob always gets his money

These two thing are undeniable.

I have had season tickets since 2003 & I'm sitting on the fence as far as renewals go. I need to see improvement if I'm going to be spending $300 plus parking a game. That doesn't include the PSL's which were sold as an investment. The PSL investment has gone about as well as investing in the stock market. LOL

 

[b0ng]

The Stevenson situation for one, if he had paid him off he wouldn't be having the problems he is having now.

Before the 2008 season the Texans have had one of the lowest paid coaching staffs in the league. They could could have hired a vteran DC to replace R.Smith (G.Williams, M. Nolan come to mind) but they decided to go cheap (Bush) as a 1st time coordinator. This is the most important year in Texans history. If they dont make the playoffs it will hurt the fan base & they decide to go with a 1st year DC. (Great MOVE)

I dont care about the rest of the NFL I just think it's philisophically wrong to raise ticket prices with the economic crisis the country is currently expirencing (JMHO).

McNair made a wise decision to invest in the NFL. He has profited from his decision. The Texans are in the top 10 in most profitable franchises. The city & county along with rodeo are partners with him in the stadium. This helped limit his financial exposure.

I am all for McNair making money. He took the risk he should reap the reward. I just dont choose to look @ him as a savior. He invested in this footballl team to make money and has been quite sucessful.

I just think fans have supported this team unbelieveably well & have been served up a crappy product.

Two things have been constants in the Texans existance
1. The Texans have never had a winnig record
2. Uncle Bob always gets his money

These two thing are undeniable.

I have had season tickets since 2003 & I'm sitting on the fence as far as renewals go. I need to see improvement if I'm going to be spending $300 plus parking a game. That doesn't include the PSL's which were sold as an investment. The PSL investment has gone about as well as investing in the stock market. LOL

So basically you think he's cheap because we didn't get a DC that was a name guy this offseason? That's a lot of words to make that simple point (Which I'm sure well over half the board will disagree with).

 

[steelbtexan]

So basically you think he's cheap because we didn't get a DC that was a name guy this offseason? That's a lot of words to make that simple point (Which I'm sure well over half the board will disagree with).

The DC & the fact we have never gone for one impact FA. (Not One)

I will stick by JMHO I think the rest of the MB are entitled to theirs as well.

I'm waiting for Uncle Bob to prove me wrong.

I'm waiting for someone to try to prove my two udeniable facts wrong.

It wont happen because it cant be defended.

 

[awtysst]

The DC & the fact we have never gone for one impact FA. (Not One)

I will stick by JMHO I think the rest of the MB are entitled to theirs as well.

I'm waiting for Uncle Bob to prove me wrong.

I'm waiting for someone to try to prove my two udeniable facts wrong.

It wont happen because it cant be defended.

Well, FA is a bit of a crapshoot. The reason we havent spent a lot on FA recently(since Kubes came in) was because we didn't have the money. Charley Asserly's signing resulted in us being in something of a Salary Cap Hell with fairly poor players. That doomed us initially.

Secondly, I disagree that we have not gone after "impact" FAs. We went after and signed Weaver. When we signed him, he looked like the best DE in FA. Not only that he was coming from the vaunted Baltimore Defense. He was supposed to be an impact player that never materialized.

See, the thing about "impact players" that you do not seem to realize is that you need there is a TON of hit and miss with them. Remember how everyone was talking about Nate Clement as the next great shutdown corner and that he was THE Impact player available. Remember when SF signed him to a ridiculous contact and everyone proclaimed that SF would "roll" the division? Well if you have seen him lately he has looked VERY bad.

Great teams are build through the draft and then SUPPLEMENTED with an impact player in FA. How many Super Bowls have the Pats won since acquiring Randy Moss and Adelieus THomas? 0. How many Super bowls did Atlanta win since they signed Joe Horn? 0. How many Superbowls did the Dolphins win since signing Joey Porter? 0.

THATS the point.

 

[b0ng]

The DC & the fact we have never gone for one impact FA. (Not One)

I will stick by JMHO I think the rest of the MB are entitled to theirs as well.

I'm waiting for Uncle Bob to prove me wrong.

I'm waiting for someone to try to prove my two udeniable facts wrong.

It wont happen because it cant be defended.

Your two "facts" are retarded though. There's not 1 NFL owner that doesn't get his money. And who cares if the Texans haven't had a winning record yet. You think that's going to stay the same for the rest of the time they are a franchise because Bob McNair picks a coach and a GM and lets them do their business without getting in their way?

What was the Phillip Buchanon trade supposed to be? Todd Wade? Matt Schaub? Anthony Weaver?

And as far as your beef with the picks on the coaching staff, Alex Gibbs is considered a much better coach and has had more consistent success with other teams (As well as success with the Texans) when we hired him. How is that cheap? What about signing Ray Rhodes to the defensive staff (A coach who has coached SB teams)?

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's pretty obvious that your opinion is based on dubious facts and assumptions, and that's cool.

 

[painekiller]

Before the 2008 season the Texans have had one of the lowest paid coaching staffs in the league. They could could have hired a vteran DC to replace R.Smith (G.Williams, M. Nolan come to mind) but they decided to go cheap (Bush) as a 1st time coordinator. This is the most important year in Texans history. If they dont make the playoffs it will hurt the fan base & they decide to go with a 1st year DC. (Great MOVE)

Mike Nolan is a big name but is he worth the glory you are giving him? Nolan has been a DC of two big time defenses, but he was not the guy who built them, he was the guy who replaced the guy.

Lovie Smith built the Ravens defense into the leagues best, it went backwards under Nolan. A more telling think to me is that the 49ers defense played after he was gone.

To add to this Nolan is promoting a 3-4, something this team does not need to transition back to.

Williams is a big name also, he made over $1,000,000 on DC job with the Redskins, they did not become an all world defense. He went to Jacksonville at a reduced rate because Washington was still paying him, and he defense for the most part stunk, and he was let go. I am sorry 7 figure salary and stinking do not win me over.

So now name another DC that is great? You can't. Philly guy has cancer, and he undergoing chemo, so he is out. All the other "named" DC where in the play offs late or became HC.

Promoting Bush has more to do with the style that Kubiak is looking for then money. And Kubiak for most part picked his staff from young creative minds, I see no problem that, and I in no way see that as a reason McNair is cheap.

Bud Adams was cheap, you must not remember him

 

[The Pencil Neck]

The DC & the fact we have never gone for one impact FA. (Not One)

I will stick by JMHO I think the rest of the MB are entitled to theirs as well.

I'm waiting for Uncle Bob to prove me wrong.

I'm waiting for someone to try to prove my two udeniable facts wrong.

It wont happen because it cant be defended.

Personally, I don't think anyone who was cheap would own a professional sports club unless they had inherited it OR they were seriously losing money. If you're cheap, there are a zillion other things to spend your money on that would be better investments and much less time consuming.

Times may be tough and money may be tight in a lot of households right now, but I don't think it's tight in the McNair household.

I think we don't go after the big name free agents because... as we saw back in the C&C days... to get someone to come to our team, we have to pay an extra 15-20%. In the end, that just leaves us a talentless team with lots of dead money.

I don't think McNair has any say or influence on the FA's we sign or even talk to. I think that's entirely up to the GM. And I think Smith is trying to build us the right way and that's without those big name "impact" FA's that are almost sure to bust and just waste our money.

 

[dalemurphy]

The Stevenson situation for one, if he had paid him off he wouldn't be having the problems he is having now.

Before the 2008 season the Texans have had one of the lowest paid coaching staffs in the league. They could could have hired a vteran DC to replace R.Smith (G.Williams, M. Nolan come to mind) but they decided to go cheap (Bush) as a 1st time coordinator. This is the most important year in Texans history. If they dont make the playoffs it will hurt the fan base & they decide to go with a 1st year DC. (Great MOVE)

I dont care about the rest of the NFL I just think it's philisophically wrong to raise ticket prices with the economic crisis the country is currently expirencing (JMHO).

McNair made a wise decision to invest in the NFL. He has profited from his decision. The Texans are in the top 10 in most profitable franchises. The city & county along with rodeo are partners with him in the stadium. This helped limit his financial exposure.

I am all for McNair making money. He took the risk he should reap the reward. I just dont choose to look @ him as a savior. He invested in this footballl team to make money and has been quite sucessful.

I just think fans have supported this team unbelieveably well & have been served up a crappy product.

Two things have been constants in the Texans existance
1. The Texans have never had a winnig record
2. Uncle Bob always gets his money

These two thing are undeniable.

I have had season tickets since 2003 & I'm sitting on the fence as far as renewals go. I need to see improvement if I'm going to be spending $300 plus parking a game. That doesn't include the PSL's which were sold as an investment. The PSL investment has gone about as well as investing in the stock market. LOL

Please don't renew! You are the reason why ticket prices are what they are. If you think they're overpriced, then don't pay for them. If all of you so-called fans that complained about the product and the price of things while financially supporting it- stopped, then I'd have cheaper tickets!

 

[painekiller]

The DC & the fact we have never gone for one impact FA. (Not One)

I will stick by JMHO I think the rest of the MB are entitled to theirs as well.

I'm waiting for Uncle Bob to prove me wrong.

I'm waiting for someone to try to prove my two udeniable facts wrong.

It wont happen because it cant be defended.

Sorry to post on this again, we could have spent $42M on Nate Clements, wait he was why Mike Nolan was relieved of the GM duties.

FA spending is a joke, look at Redskins, they are jokes, with their salary they should be in playoffs every year and SuperBowl some time.

Casserly is the one messed this team up, he wasted way to many picks, he did not hire teaching type coaches and he went for the franchise cover boy instead of the best player available in year one.

 

[steelbtexan]

There that got everybdy talking.

AWT: Uncle Bob hired Asserly

Bong: I'm not retarted & I care if we make the playoffs

PK: I agree with your 2nd post, Nolan was a great DC with the Giants & got a ring with the Ravens. Some Asst. coaches aren't cut out to be head coaches. This remains to be seen with KUBES.

TPN: I disagree with you on your 1st point look @ the market, real estate etc. Iagree with you on points 2&3
Point 4 I diagree with you Uncle Bob has final say on how money is spent & the type of player it is spent on. (He is the type of manager that is hard to work for, one that says your in charge but you cant do certian things like bring in any players that dont fit his PR profile).

DM: If you think I have anything to do with the price of tickets you are delusional.

As far as being a so called fan if you knew me you would know that is far from the case.
As a fan I dont cosider it bad to question management after seven years of putting a poor product on the field. In fact I think I would be a poor fan if I didn't question managements comittment to winning. JMHO

 

[b0ng]

There that got everybdy talking.

AWT: Uncle Bob hired Asserly

Bong: I'm not retarted & I care if we make the playoffs

PK: I agree with your 2nd post, Nolan was a great DC with the Giants & got a ring with the Ravens. Some Asst. coaches aren't cut out to be head coaches. This remains to be seen with KUBES.

TPN: I disagree with you on your 1st point look @ the market, real estate etc. Iagree with you on points 2&3
Point 4 I diagree with you Uncle Bob has final say on how money is spent & the type of player it is spent on. (He is the type of manager that is hard to work for, one that says your in charge but you cant do certian things like bring in any players that dont fit his PR profile).

DM: If you think I have anything to do with the price of tickets you are delusional.

As far as being a so called fan if you knew me you would know that is far from the case.
As a fan I dont cosider it bad to question management after seven years of putting a poor product on the field. In fact I think I would be a poor fan if I didn't question managements comittment to winning. JMHO

It's one thing to question management. It's a completely different thing to just talk directly out of your ass.

 

[dalemurphy]

There that got everybdy talking.

AWT: Uncle Bob hired Asserly

Bong: I'm not retarted & I care if we make the playoffs

PK: I agree with your 2nd post, Nolan was a great DC with the Giants & got a ring with the Ravens. Some Asst. coaches aren't cut out to be head coaches. This remains to be seen with KUBES.

TPN: I disagree with you on your 1st point look @ the market, real estate etc. Iagree with you on points 2&3
Point 4 I diagree with you Uncle Bob has final say on how money is spent & the type of player it is spent on. (He is the type of manager that is hard to work for, one that says your in charge but you cant do certian things like bring in any players that dont fit his PR profile).

DM: If you think I have anything to do with the price of tickets you are delusional.

As far as being a so called fan if you knew me you would know that is far from the case.
As a fan I dont cosider it bad to question management after seven years of putting a poor product on the field. In fact I think I would be a poor fan if I didn't question managements comittment to winning. JMHO

We've sold out every game in the team's existence. If you're a season ticket holder since 2003 then you do have something to do with it. You vote with your wallet. Without a doubt, if every fan who has ever complained about their ticket prices stopped buying them, the price would go down.

Once again, the only argument I have with you is your claim that McNair is cheap. I said there is plenty to be critical of regarding this organization. Certainly the Casserly hire is a good place to start. Again, though, if you're unhappy with the ticket prices and the product on the field it's pretty darn foolish that you are still buying season tickets.

 

[steelbtexan]

Bong explain to me how I'm talking out my glutious maximus?

Please share the infinite wisdom & the BONG

 

[steelbtexan]

We've sold out every game in the team's existence. If you're a season ticket holder since 2003 then you do have something to do with it. You vote with your wallet. Without a doubt, if every fan who has ever complained about their ticket prices stopped buying them, the price would go down.

Once again, the only argument I have with you is your claim that McNair is cheap. I said there is plenty to be critical of regarding this organization. Certainly the Casserly hire is a good place to start. Again, though, if you're unhappy with the ticket prices and the product on the field it's pretty darn foolish that you are still buying season tickets.

I love football, I'm not ready to give up on the Texans yet, even though 7 years is a long time.

Do you think the Texans will make the playoffs before the end of the decade?

If they dont make the playoffs this year the wolves will be calling for Kubes head. Then the process of a new regime will start all over again.

Uncle Bob will be singing the praises of his 3rd regime in 8 years.

I hope the Texans make the playoffs & all of this is a moot point.

 

[b0ng]

Bong explain to me how I'm talking out my glutious maximus?

Please share the infinite wisdom & the BONG

Sure.

I agree with SH.

Uncle Bob Spend some money


Not going to happen

In this economy Uncle Bob just raised saeson ticket prices 3% & parking $3.

Most of the NFL kept ticket prices the same as last years prices.

i think this tells the fans where Uncle Bobs heart lies.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2576495

Bottom half of the league. Texans have obviously not raised prices when others did. Next.

the fact we have never gone for one impact FA. (Not One)

The Texans also signed former Dolphins offensive tackle Todd Wade on Wednesday. Wade, 27, started for Miami in his first four NFL seasons and likely will replace Greg Randall in Houston.

He agreed to a six-year, $30 million deal, including a $10 million signing bonus.

http://fantasy.sportingnews.com/nfl/articles/20040303/528926.html

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=Nfl&leaguenum=&id=2223

CONTRACT INFO: 3/11/2006: Signed a five-year, $26.5 million contract.

So there's two. Next.

Come on Uncle Bob spend the money.

Well this is actually just to point out a recurring theme with your posts lately. While we get the picture, you're not happy about getting your pretty-darn-cheap-by-NFL-standards season tickets, trying to say that McNair plays a big role in the Texans roster moves and coaching decisions without providing substantial proof and evidence is what some people would call "talking out of your ass".

See I include facts and other reading material in my posts so I'm feeling that I'm adding something maleable, and not just, you know, talking out my ass.

BTW, I love the subtle jab you take at my username, because you know, it's relevant.

 

[steelbtexan]

Todd Wade was a major impact signing LOL. He wasn't a highly rated FA. Go back & look at where he was rated in his FA class.

Just because the Texans have signed players to big money contracts doesn't mean they are good. We have never signed a top tier FA. We have paid top tier money to lesser players but we have never tried to sign the Samuels, Clements, Haynesworth or Peppers of the world. Instead we have signed the Wades, Greenwoods, Weavers of the world.

I would rather spend money on one top tier FA than sign five guys like Reeves Green Greenwood etc. That is just my prefrence.

In terms of raising ticket prices I dont care where we rank in the league. I just think it is fundamentally wrong to raise ticket prices in this economic enviornment. Other teams my have raised their ticket prices before the downturn in the economy. That doesn't mean that Uncle Bob should now.

I love your username. You could ask anybody that knows me & they will tell you that I am alot of things but subtle is not one of them.

We probably would get along well sitting around shooting the crap watching a game. I know you would make me lagh. LOL

 

[b0ng]

Todd Wade was a major impact signing LOL. He wasn't a highly rated FA. Go back & look at where he was rated in his FA class.

Just because the Texans have signed players to big money contracts doesn't mean they are good. We have never signed a top tier FA. We have paid top tier money to lesser players but we have never tried to sign the Samuels, Clements, Haynesworth or Peppers of the world. Instead we have signed the Wades, Greenwoods, Weavers of the world.

I would rather spend money on one top tier FA than sign five guys like Reeves Green Greenwood etc. That is just my prefrence.

In terms of raising ticket prices I dont care where we rank in the league. I just think it is fundamentally wrong to raise ticket prices in this economic enviornment. Other teams my have raised their ticket prices before the downturn in the economy. That doesn't mean that Uncle Bob should now.

I love your username. You could ask anybody that knows me & they will tell you that I am alot of things but subtle is not one of them.

We probably would get along well sitting around shooting the crap watching a game. I know you would make me lagh. LOL

You're also going to have to throw in the fact that for the first 5 years of the Texans existence they have pretty much been looked at as a laughing stock by other teams players. We made a run at Orlando Pace while he was using us as leverage. The Texans name has been thrown into a few hats for high caliber players but they just wanted to go elsewhere. I believe though that as long as Rick Smith is the GM, this is going to be something that people will ***** about ad nauseum because his style of free agency is to hit with the draft and sign role players. After his first off season of watching a lot of guys get signed to medium and low contracts, I relegated myself to never being a big player in free agency which is fine by me. Philly fans piss and moan about the same thing while their team goes to the NFCCG almost every other year.

The economy is in the crapper on a national level, but at the same time, how hard has it hit you? I work for a software company on the NW side and really, aside from lower gas prices, I haven't had my wallet change much over the past year. I guess what I'm really saying is that football is pretty much a luxury product and a price increase might dissuade some fans from renewing their season tickets, the waitlist is long enough that McNair probably doesn't see it as a real big problem. It might suck if season tickets are now just out of some fans range, but I've never let that fact that I can't afford season tickets make me think that McNair is a cheapskate.

I'll just ask a random question here, when was the last time a Texan player was let go because their contract demands were too much and they would rather let them walk for no good reason at all (Also, being old and washed up is a good reason)? Aaron Glenn maybe? I don't know.

Also, I never laugh when I shoot the crap, my aim gets thrown off.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I would rather spend money on one top tier FA than sign five guys like Reeves Green Greenwood etc. That is just my prefrence.

You can prefer that all day long. But it doesn't change the fact that you can't sign someone who doesn't want to play for you. Up until the coming of Smithiak, no one wanted to play for us. No one who was any good or who wanted to win wanted to come here. You would have had to have taken the best offer on the table from another team and almost double the offer to get them to come here.

Since the coming of Smithiak, we've been getting our cap number back to a healthy state after years of C&C suckage. And even then, we did go out and try to get some guys. The Schaub deal, even though it wasn't in FA, was a big deal. That was a major feather in our cap. Some people on this board have tried to talk bad about that signing and say that Schaub was a career backup, blah blah blah... but that doesn't change the fact that several teams went after him and WE got him.

In free agency, we got Ahman Green. And that didn't work out. But he was the cream of the running back FA class that year. He was considered by many to be a better pick up than Jamal Lewis or Lamont Jordan (iirc). And we only got him because of Sherman. If Sherman hadn't been here, he would have gone somewhere else.

But I basically look at it this way... we may finally be in a position to do that this year. We may finally be in a position where a player could look at us and say, "Hey. I like what I see there. I want to play with that team." But prior to this year, I don't think that's been the case.

 

[dalemurphy]

Todd Wade was a major impact signing LOL. He wasn't a highly rated FA. Go back & look at where he was rated in his FA class.

Just because the Texans have signed players to big money contracts doesn't mean they are good. We have never signed a top tier FA. We have paid top tier money to lesser players but we have never tried to sign the Samuels, Clements, Haynesworth or Peppers of the world. Instead we have signed the Wades, Greenwoods, Weavers of the world.

I would rather spend money on one top tier FA than sign five guys like Reeves Green Greenwood etc. That is just my prefrence.

In terms of raising ticket prices I dont care where we rank in the league. I just think it is fundamentally wrong to raise ticket prices in this economic enviornment. Other teams my have raised their ticket prices before the downturn in the economy. That doesn't mean that Uncle Bob should now.

I love your username. You could ask anybody that knows me & they will tell you that I am alot of things but subtle is not one of them.

We probably would get along well sitting around shooting the crap watching a game. I know you would make me lagh. LOL

Again, your argument is very unfocused. Once again, we are attacking your assertion that Bob McNair is cheap and overly concerned with making money. Like I said, there is plenty to criticize about the organization. Certainly, Casserly's personnel decisions rank up there very high. Todd Wade, A.Weaver are two examples of McNair's willingness to spend in free agency.

Second, regarding the raising of the ticket prices. If you don't care that we are near the bottom of the league in ticket prices, then clearly you don't believe that McNair is one of the more selfish/money-driven lawyers. Now, you assert that your only issue is the timing of the increase. So, your issue is one of process and public relations and it's actually not about greed, right?
Well, I'd like you to show me your previous email in 2003-2005 where you were praising McNair for his low ticket prices and decision not to raise them in the midst of a strong economy.

 

[steelbtexan]

Bong: You are right I just noticed that Philly signed Samuel & made the NFC champ game. New England signed Moss & almost went undefeated.

Our business is doing very well & if you would like to go to a game next year PM me & I will give you a ticket.

TPN: This used to not be a great place for FA's to play, but times are changing. Mr. McNair is going to have to step up with wallet in hand. The majority on this board think he will. We shall see

DM: You are correct I dont like the timing of the increase. I just think it keeps the average hardworking Joe from being able to buy season tickets. It creates a corporate type fan base. This isn't good for the Texans in the long term IMO. Maybe that's the way that Mr. McNair wants it. People in the bullpen & other sections have been complaining about ushers asking them to sit down & not make to much noise. It's a football game & I thought people were supposed to make as much noise as possible.

The only year that ticket prices hav not been raised was after 2-14. I'm sure they wanted to raise them that year also but they knew there would a season ticket holder mutiny.

I may be wrong on this topic. LOL

This remains to be seen.

 

[HJam72]

The Texans would like to announce that all future tickets must be purchased with gold bullion (or diamonds (no "zirconias" please)). Thank you.

 

[steelbtexan]

Lol

 

[ChampionTexan]

My point is that its a soft cap right now with the uncapped year. You must realize that the uncapped year is a certainty. It isn't up for debate. The only thing that is up for debate is how they are going to handle the transition to the next deal.

According to the following, it is up for debate!

Now that NFL owners have voted unanimously to end their agreement with the players' union in 2011, they still have all of 2008 and 2009 to negotiate a new CBA before the "trigger" points that are in place to encourage negotiations would fire and things wouldn't be as we know them today.

LINK

Please either provide a link which says something has changed, or stop saying it's a foregone conclusion that 2010 is uncapped. It's absolutely possible it's uncapped, and it may very well even be likely, but certain and unavoidable - I think not.

 

[steelbtexan]

The NFLPA does't have a president. I dont think they are going to be able to elect a new president & reach an agreement on a new CBA within 9 months.

The NFLPA is fighting like cats and dogs over who is going to be their new president. There appears to be a split. One side wants Troy Vincent, the other side wants Trace Armstrong.

 

[WesmanTexanfan]

could....try WILL get the francise tag, if he doesnt then i dont see what they see...

 

[drewmar74]

Looks like Dunta may not get tagged after all.

Per McClain's latest chat:

They're negotiating. He could be franchised, but I don't think they'll do that. They'll either sign him to a long-term deal or he'll be gone. I'm hearing he wants the $23 mil that Chris Gamble was guaranteed and they're offering in the neighborhood of $18 or $19. Andre Johnson got $15 two years ago. Mario got $26.3, I believe. Either way, Dunta will get the second-most guaranteed money in franchise history if he re-signs.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/02/join_the_monday_nfl_combine_ch.html#comments

But he goes on to say that he thinks that he gets signed w/o the tag being used.

I think in the end both sides will compromise and meet in the middle and Dunta will get an offer of $20 mil guaranteed

 

[b0ng]

Looks like Dunta may not get tagged after all.

Per McClain's latest chat:

They're negotiating. He could be franchised, but I don't think they'll do that. They'll either sign him to a long-term deal or he'll be gone. I'm hearing he wants the $23 mil that Chris Gamble was guaranteed and they're offering in the neighborhood of $18 or $19. Andre Johnson got $15 two years ago. Mario got $26.3, I believe. Either way, Dunta will get the second-most guaranteed money in franchise history if he re-signs.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/02/join_the_monday_nfl_combine_ch.html#comments

I can't believe that they wouldn't use the tag on him. It's not like they are saving it for... I can't even think of a name.

 

[Mailman]

I can't believe that they wouldn't use the tag on him. It's not like they are saving it for... I can't even think of a name.

Yeah, that McClain comment makes no sense at all. If you're willing to extend him for that kind of money, why would you let him walk instead of tagging him for ten mill this year?

 

[TimeKiller]

Because him being worth 10 mil for one year is a questionable decision to make? It would be awesome to know he was worth it...but...nobody knows for sure

 

[Mailman]

Because him being worth 10 mil for one year is a questionable decision to make? It would be awesome to know he was worth it...but...nobody knows for sure

I think he's absolutely worth it. If the front office questions whether he's worth big money like that, one wouldn't expect the team to make the long-term offer McClain mentions in his blog.

 

[GP]

Yeah, that McClain comment makes no sense at all. If you're willing to extend him for that kind of money, why would you let him walk instead of tagging him for ten mill this year?

Because (perhaps) Bob McNair is going to be The Good Guy (again) and NOT use the tag on Dunta because of the many years of good, solid, loyal service from Dunta to the Texans and their fans.

Most players don't like getting tagged. It restricts them. Behind closed doors, if Dunta has wishes to explore a move to another team, then he and his agent might have met with Bob and politely asked him to NOT franchise Dunta. If you can meet the dollar amount, fine. But don't leverage the tag against my client (so to speak). Let's remember that we caved into David Carr's request for an outright release when we were trying to find a trade partner (of course, there might have been ZERO trade offers, too). I think Bob McNair has a soft spot for some players, which is natural.

I can totally see that as a possible reason why he's not tagged. Dunta wants more money, agents always want more money, the player unions always want their guys going after a bump up in pay. If The Texans can't meet dunta's dollar amount, and if Dunta feels froggy, he's going to jump to another team.

He's been in a love-hate relationship with this team, mostly due to the years and years of the David Carr era, and I wouldn't put it past him to think he is due a new start somewhere. And I wouldn't blame him. Just as I wouldn't blame AJ for leaving, either. Two "quality" guys who have stuck out some very mediocre seasons in Houston.

FYI: I know I am speculating, OK? Just reminding those who cannot distinguish speculation from cold-hard fact. We're in the off-season. There's Texans news at a glacial pace right now, so this is the best we have: Pondering on what MIGHT be going on behind the scenes.

 

[Mr teX]

we're already short on quality players on the defense, i can't imagine why they would play with the idea of letting him get away unless they are leaning towards going CB in the 1st round of the draft. Even still, i can't see why they would play with the idea of letting our best player in the secondary get away in favor of a rookie CB who's an unknown commodity as far as producing in the NFL. Just pay him.

 

[Mailman]

Because (perhaps) Bob McNair is going to be The Good Guy (again) and NOT use the tag on Dunta because of the many years of good, solid, loyal service from Dunta to the Texans and their fans.

Most players don't like getting tagged. It restricts them. Behind closed doors, if Dunta has wishes to explore a move to another team, then he and his agent might have met with Bob and politely asked him to NOT franchise Dunta.

I can totally see that as a possible reason why he's not tagged. Dunta wants more money, agents always want more money, the player unions always want their guys going after a bump up in pay. If The Texans can't meet dunta's dollar amount, and if Dunta feels froggy, he's going to jump to another team.

He's been in a love-hate relationship with this team, mostly due to the years and years of the David Carr era, and I wouldn't put it past him to think he is due a new start somewhere. And I wouldn't blame him. Just as I wouldn't blame AJ for leaving, either. Two "quality" guys who have stuck out some very mediocre seasons in Houston.

FYI: I know I am speculating, OK? Just reminding those who cannot distinguish speculation from cold-hard fact. We're in the off-season. There's Texans news at a glacial pace right now, so this is the best we have: Pondering on what MIGHT be going on behind the scenes.

You make good points, but if the team was willing to let him go elsewhere, why not a tag and trade? The team has to consider its interests, too. Letting a player like Robinson walk without getting anything in return would be very stupid.

 

[Mailman]

Just pay him.

Yep. Pay the man.

 

[GP]

You make good points, but if the team was willing to let him go elsewhere, why not a tag and trade? The team has to consider its interests, too. Letting a player like Robinson walk without getting anything in return would be very stupid.

More speculation coming your way: Because Bob has a soft spot for certain players, guys like David Carr and Mario Williams (remember the sit-down about illegal drag racing?), and I would bet that Dunta falls into that category. Dunta Robinson is as much a "face of this team" as is anybody else.

Therefore, it's not too hard to theorize that Dunta is leveraging that stuff against Bob. Our owner is considered a gentleman. I can easily see him putting silly things such as "being more competitive on defense" to the back burner when it comes to the issue of being a gentleman about this sort of thing.

I agree with your point: Letting a player like Robinson walk without getting anything in return would be very stupid.

I have a feeling that that's exactly what is going to happen. Dunta's going to be allowed to shop around, and Texans FO will hope nobody is interested enough to pay Dunta what Dunta wants.

Vonta Leach, when the Giants wanted him from us, was a case where we protected a guy from leaving the team. What was Leach going to do? Nothing. Things are soooo much different when you ask yourself "What if this had been Dunta getting interest from another team?"

That's my take on it.

 

[Mailman]

More speculation coming your way: Because Bob has a soft spot for certain players, guys like David Carr and Mario Williams (remember the sit-down about illegal drag racing?), and I would bet that Dunta falls into that category. Dunta Robinson is as much a "face of this team" as is anybody else.

Therefore, it's not too hard to theorize that Dunta is leveraging that stuff against Bob. Our owner is considered a gentleman. I can easily see him putting silly things such as "being more competitive on defense" to the back burner when it comes to the issue of being a gentleman about this sort of thing.

I agree with your point: Letting a player like Robinson walk without getting anything in return would be very stupid.

I have a feeling that that's exactly what is going to happen. Dunta's going to be allowed to shop around, and Texans FO will hope nobody is interested enough to pay Dunta what Dunta wants.

Ah, I see. This makes sense and is probably exactly what the team is betting on.

Best case scenario: Dunta agrees to a contract extension before the free agency period begins.

Worst case scenario: Dunta tests the market and gets a big offer from another team

Middle scenario: The Texans engender some good will on Dunta's part by not tagging him and letting him test the market only for him to recognize that the team made him a very good offer, one that he should probably accept.

 

[b0ng]

More speculation coming your way: Because Bob has a soft spot for certain players, guys like David Carr and Mario Williams .

I really think Bob is just a more hands off owner. He may dictate what kind players he wants in the organization, but that seems like the rest of it is handled by his GM.

Just my thoughts really.

 

[TheRealJoker]

Only way I could see us not tagging Dunta and letting him walk without compensation would be if we were willing to spend the money to sign Assamougha. The latter is something I would see as very unlikely considering I doubt we're willing to spend the record breaking money on one player.

This is why I see Dunta being a Texan next year, if he doesn't resign outright he'll get the tag. This is a do or die year for Kubiak and he's not gonna start next season with Jacques Reeves as his # 1 CB along with a cast of unproven and/or inconsistent CBs.

 

[TimeKiller]

He's been in a love-hate relationship with this team, mostly due to the years and years of the David Carr era, and I wouldn't put it past him to think he is due a new start somewhere. And I wouldn't blame him. Just as I wouldn't blame AJ for leaving, either. Two "quality" guys who have stuck out some very mediocre seasons in Houston.

I highly doubt his time has been spent here without once thinking, "Man, what if I could play in _________ , that would be great!"

but if he is thinking of leaving this team now he's....weird. Who puts so much effort into building something and leaves it on the table when it resembles something complete? Especially one who has his "heart and soul" embedded in it?

Furthermore, I can't see why he would be so adamantly opposed to being tagged. Hell, make the bank for a year to re-prove you deserve that big contract (be it here or elsewhere) while the Texans prove they are a team on the upswing. Worst case scenario is bank, find out this team isn't really improving and then leave.

If he just wants the garaunteed money...give him 23 mil then...and an extra year or two....

 

[HOU-TEX]

I might get flamed for this, but if the two sides can't come to an agreement I say let Dunta test the waters. I'm willing to bet no team will make an offer as high as the Texans probably have. As long as Dunta would allow the Texans to match if the offer is higher. And if no team offers him a better deal then it should fall back on the last deal offered by the Texans.

Not sure that makes sense or not. I'm tired today.

Thoughts?

 

[feebleminded]

I might get flamed for this, but if the two sides can't come to an agreement I say let Dunta test the waters. I'm willing to bet no team will make an offer as high as the Texans probably have. As long as Dunta would allow the Texans to match if the offer is higher. And if no team offers him a better deal then it should fall back on the last deal offered by the Texans.

Not sure that makes sense or not. I'm tired today.

Thoughts?

If this is the direction that this is really going to go, then why wouldnt they use the transition tag on him? The problem with the transition tag recently is that it has let the new signing teams put "poison pill" provisions in the offer. If this is truly a case of him wanting to be a Texan while at the same time letting Dunta determine his market value with a right to match, then this may be the way this goes. I personally think they sign him before the free agency period starts.

 

[drewmar74]

I can see both sides of the argument here.

Resign Dunta and keep a vocal locker room leader and a CB who will play good hard-nosed D. But are we going to have to overpay for him? Do we really want to sink $20-23 million into a player who still is somewhat of an unknown commodity after that horrible injury in 07?

OR

Let Dunta walk if his asking price is too high. But if Dunta is consistently showing up as one of the most sought after FA CB's out there (right behind Nnmadi Aso-whatever), then who are we going to replace him with? A rookie?

It's a hell of a spot that the Texans coaches and management find themselves in. I don't envy them having to make that call.

Heck, for that matter, its a tough spot for Dunta. He's part of a franchise that is really looking to have turned the corner (in my opinion, anyway) and he can get decent money for staying put. On the other hand, he can translate his "sought after" status into more money but he might end up somewhere like Detroit.



Me, I'm hoping that he stays and that the Texans can meet him in the middle price-wise.

 

[Mr teX]

If this is the direction that this is really going to go, then why wouldnt they use the transition tag on him? The problem with the transition tag recently is that it has let the new signing teams put "poison pill" provisions in the offer. If this is truly a case of him wanting to be a Texan while at the same time letting Dunta determine his market value with a right to match, then this may be the way this goes. I personally think they sign him before the free agency period starts.

the problem with that is all it takes is 1 owner to throw out something obscene (dan snyder ) & his market value is set. this might be more than he's holding out for now 7 could wind up costing the texans more than what he's asking for now.

 

[Mr teX]

I can see both sides of the argument here.

Resign Dunta and keep a vocal locker room leader and a CB who will play good hard-nosed D. But are we going to have to overpay for him? Do we really want to sink $20-23 million into a player who still is somewhat of an unknown commodity after that horrible injury in 07?

OR

Let Dunta walk if his asking price is too high. But if Dunta is consistently showing up as one of the most sought after FA CB's out there (right behind Nnmadi Aso-whatever), then who are we going to replace him with? A rookie?

It's a hell of a spot that the Texans coaches and management find themselves in. I don't envy them having to make that call.

Heck, for that matter, its a tough spot for Dunta. He's part of a franchise that is really looking to have turned the corner (in my opinion, anyway) and he can get decent money for staying put. On the other hand, he can translate his "sought after" status into more money but he might end up somewhere like Detroit.



Me, I'm hoping that he stays and that the Texans can meet him in the middle price-wise.[/QUOTE]

if im not mistaken, the deal on the table is middle price wise. anybody know who his agent is?

 

[feebleminded]

the problem with that is all it takes is 1 owner to throw out something obscene (dan snyder ) & his market value is set. this might be more than he's holding out for now 7 could wind up costing the texans more than what he's asking for now.

Totally agree, I guess the point was that if they are going to let him test the market to determine his value, then do it with the transition tag instead of a gentleman's agreement.

 

[drewmar74]

if im not mistaken, the deal on the table is middle price wise. anybody know who his agent is?

I heard it was Texan Bill......

 

[ChampionTexan]

I might get flamed for this, but if the two sides can't come to an agreement I say let Dunta test the waters. I'm willing to bet no team will make an offer as high as the Texans probably have. As long as Dunta would allow the Texans to match if the offer is higher. And if no team offers him a better deal then it should fall back on the last deal offered by the Texans.

Not sure that makes sense or not. I'm tired today.

Thoughts?

I pretty much agree with you, and truly believe that Dunta's worth more to the Texans than any other NFL team. Comments in this thread have referred to the fact that we'd be losing our best player in the secondary, and I think many of us believe he's brings intangibles, that others don't.

If he goes to a legitimate contender, there's a good chance he's no longer the best player in the secondary, particularly given that he's still in the process of coming off of a major injury. Also, the value of the intangibles is mitigated if he's stepping into a brand new situation, and brings a history of never playing on a team that finished above .500. I know that's not all he brings to the table, but I think it's what differentiates his value to the Texans as compared to the rest of the NFL.

Still, NFL history is littered with guys who left because they were lowballed by their old team, or overpaid by their new one.

 

[drewmar74]

Still, NFL history is littered with guys who left because they were lowballed by their old team, or overpaid by their new one.

And rarely does the latter work out well for the overpaying party.

 

[b0ng]

If dunta hits FA I can tell you right now he'll be the best CB on the market (Aso will get franchised last minute).