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It's a good thing we didn’t experience what happened with the Jaguars, where they were winning by a lot but ended up almost losing their lead at the end. I thought the same might happen to us, especially after the Patriots got that second touchdown. I was like, "Oh no, are the Pats going to make a comeback like the Texans did a few weeks ago?" Thankfully, I was wrong!
 
BattleRedBlud said:
Listened to a 610 post game interview of Stroud and he does not sound his usual happy self. Something is weighing on him, maybe something to watch.
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I’m guessing it has a lot to do with Slowick’s play calling. When he gets too conservative, it’s leaving CJ in way too many 2nd / 3rd and long situations. I’d like to see the TE’s get more involved, but unfortunately that means Schultz getting more targets. Schultz is falling deeper into the fans shite house than Tunsil did with his knucklehead false starts.

Stover has to get more playing time. At least he’s a willing and decisive blocker who will only become a complete TE if targeted more. Schultz has disappointed in the past, but this season he’s really becoming tough to watch. If he doesn’t rebound by WK13…..I’d start Stover in an effort to light a fire under his arse.
 
Texansfan2004 said:
It's a good thing we didn’t experience what happened with the Jaguars, where they were winning by a lot but ended up almost losing their lead at the end. I thought the same might happen to us, especially after the Patriots got that second touchdown. I was like, "Oh no, are the Pats going to make a comeback like the Texans did a few weeks ago?" Thankfully, I was wrong!
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I say we so need this win as we need to keep up with Detroit and Minnesota. You guys aren’t the Cardinals. You guys got a great team! This will be difficult.
 
We cant just forget about that awful game we had with the Vikings and the Playoffs with the Ravens to be crushed 34-10 Yikes with teams with good records we may or may not choke mentioning why they need to step it up especially with Mixon out.
 
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mws said:
The Texans handled the Patriots like a 4-1 team should handle a 1-4 team. We took the lead on our first drive & never gave it up. I understand the Patriots don't have a good defense but still the Texans as a team rushed for 192 yards total. That is a hell of an improvement.

Mixon - 13 rushes for 102 yards and a 7.8 YPC
Pierce - 8 rushes for 76 yards and a 9.5 YPC
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Pats have a very respectable defense. It's not likely a top 10 D but on a team with a functional offense, it's top half of league worthy.

I'd like to believe the running game was great yesterday but it simply wasn't. figures lie, and liars figure. Yes, it was nice to see those explosives. They have been missing, but it's fools gold to rely on getting one of those weekly.

Mixon went 13 for 102
one went for 59
another went for 20
The rest was 11 for 23 - basically two yards per carry for Mixon outside the two beauties.

Pierce was 8 for 76
one went for 54 and a touchdown.
I don't have the exact number, but I think he had another for roughly 15, but let's set that aside, and just take out the 54
That's 7 for 22, a scintillating 3 yards per carry

I think it's fools gold to look at a box score. This was not a game like the Colts where it was death by a thousand cuts, and Mixon was consistently getting 5-10 YPC. This was getting stymied for most of the game and having a couple of explosives that paints a picture that is not accurate.

It's like a secondary that locks down the #1 WR to 4 catches for 15 yards, but he catches one 90 yard bomb on a defensive miscue late in the game, and now he's 5 for 105. Great game. Right? Or...maybe there's more to look at under the hood.
 
It's been nice to see the running game come back into play the last two weeks. Especially with Mixon and Pierce both returning to the backfield. Schutlz play was surprising, given the number of targets he had from CJ. It was nice to see the balance on offense. If we can play like that in Green Bay I'll be ecstatic.
 
welsh texan said:
Very expensive, it’s a nice luxury while Stroud is on his rookie deal, but down the road the Texans need to be looking to move on from Tunsil/Howard/Diggs/Hunter’s money in order to resign Stingley/Stroud/Anderson as well as many good young franchise players who won’t be hitting the very tops of their market.

Fisher showed signs that he can take over at Left Tackle to a good standard, which is a great start because it’s easier to find a RT than LT.

DeMeco will find a developmental DE, and may already have that guy on the roster in Dylan Horton if he comes back well from his illness.

Developmental WRs are easy to find and slow to develop in the NFL, Metchie isn’t getting targets again once the regular season sets in, Hutchinson flashes then goes quiet just when you expect him to perform, may need to draft another one relatively high.

You can see Caserio is planning all this ahead, trading out of the 1st round last draft meant he doesn’t have a 5th year option tolling the same year Stroud & Anderson’s new money kick in, for instance.
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Nick says that's the plan Stan! A very team friendly two year extension for Diggs would end at the same time those that you mentioned would be receiving their extensions.
Most believe that Diggs will want a lucrative extension to end his career with and I could see that. I still hope for something a bit different. Perhaps a trip to the Super Bowl this season will impact his decision favorably.
 
Porky said:
Pats have a very respectable defense. It's not likely a top 10 D but on a team with a functional offense, it's top half of league worthy.

I'd like to believe the running game was great yesterday but it simply wasn't. figures lie, and liars figure. Yes, it was nice to see those explosives. They have been missing, but it's fools gold to rely on getting one of those weekly.

Mixon went 13 for 102
one went for 59
another went for 20
The rest was 11 for 23 - basically two yards per carry for Mixon outside the two beauties.

Pierce was 8 for 76
one went for 54 and a touchdown.
I don't have the exact number, but I think he had another for roughly 15, but let's set that aside, and just take out the 54
That's 7 for 22, a scintillating 3 yards per carry

I think it's fools gold to look at a box score. This was not a game like the Colts where it was death by a thousand cuts, and Mixon was consistently getting 5-10 YPC. This was getting stymied for most of the game and having a couple of explosives that paints a picture that is not accurate.

It's like a secondary that locks down the #1 WR to 4 catches for 15 yards, but he catches one 90 yard bomb on a defensive miscue late in the game, and now he's 5 for 105. Great game. Right? Or...maybe there's more to look at under the hood.
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I agree with you mostly about the run game YPC stat. that's why I've never been a fan of it when grading out a RB or a run game's effectiveness. No RB is ripping off 4-5 yds each time they carry the rock despite how nice the stat cleans it up to make it appear that way.

Where i'll disagree with you however is in the fact that the run game WAS good yesterday simply b/c of the net positive effects. For 1, none of the guys we had toting the ball in place of Mixon & Pierce's absence came close to having a 100 yd game on the ground.......let alone ripping off 50 yarders. Yesterday both of those guys got 1 of those up in their return to the line up & that's not a coincidence.

The 2nd thing is, there's something to be said for just running hard & packing a punch. So even if you're not getting 4 YPC, you're still punishing the defense & helping your o-line out by letting them get out and lean on the d-line to wear them down. At a minimum, running hard and just falling forward for 2-3 YPC, you're in 3rd and medium, 3rd and shorts instead of 3rd and longs .......which the offense was in CONSTANTLY for the games Mixon and Pierce were out. That alone is a win b/c it keeps CJ from being exposed to too much pass rushing & having him have to play hero ball. The last thing is, hard, punishing running eventually opens up those lanes for those 50 yard scampers b/c the defense just gets tired of tackling you. Got back and look at that string of games Derrick Henry ran for 2 bills on us. How many times did we think we had him bottled up only for him to break a 30 -90 yarder on us that broke the game open? Answer: quite a few times. Hell he's still doing that crap over in Baltimore.
 
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Porky said:
Pats have a very respectable defense. It's not likely a top 10 D but on a team with a functional offense, it's top half of league worthy.

I'd like to believe the running game was great yesterday but it simply wasn't. figures lie, and liars figure. Yes, it was nice to see those explosives. They have been missing, but it's fools gold to rely on getting one of those weekly.

Mixon went 13 for 102
one went for 59
another went for 20
The rest was 11 for 23 - basically two yards per carry for Mixon outside the two beauties.

Pierce was 8 for 76
one went for 54 and a touchdown.
I don't have the exact number, but I think he had another for roughly 15, but let's set that aside, and just take out the 54
That's 7 for 22, a scintillating 3 yards per carry

I think it's fools gold to look at a box score. This was not a game like the Colts where it was death by a thousand cuts, and Mixon was consistently getting 5-10 YPC. This was getting stymied for most of the game and having a couple of explosives that paints a picture that is not accurate.

It's like a secondary that locks down the #1 WR to 4 catches for 15 yards, but he catches one 90 yard bomb on a defensive miscue late in the game, and now he's 5 for 105. Great game. Right? Or...maybe there's more to look at under the hood.
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I initially thought the same but that’s what makes Mixon stand out, he’s a playmaker. The making of plays is what separates him from the rest. He’s -able- to find those holes.

Let’s take Derrick Henry’s stats from last week against the Bengals. He rushed 15 times for 92 yards. Good for 6.1 yards a pop but going by your cherry pickin’… he had a 51 yard run on one of those 15 carries. That leaves his remaining 14 rushes at 2.9 yards a pop. Is he also fools gold? Or is he a playmaker?
 
Porky said:
Pats have a very respectable defense. It's not likely a top 10 D but on a team with a functional offense, it's top half of league worthy.

I'd like to believe the running game was great yesterday but it simply wasn't. figures lie, and liars figure. Yes, it was nice to see those explosives. They have been missing, but it's fools gold to rely on getting one of those weekly.

Mixon went 13 for 102
one went for 59
another went for 20
The rest was 11 for 23 - basically two yards per carry for Mixon outside the two beauties.

Pierce was 8 for 76
one went for 54 and a touchdown.
I don't have the exact number, but I think he had another for roughly 15, but let's set that aside, and just take out the 54
That's 7 for 22, a scintillating 3 yards per carry

I think it's fools gold to look at a box score. This was not a game like the Colts where it was death by a thousand cuts, and Mixon was consistently getting 5-10 YPC. This was getting stymied for most of the game and having a couple of explosives that paints a picture that is not accurate.

It's like a secondary that locks down the #1 WR to 4 catches for 15 yards, but he catches one 90 yard bomb on a defensive miscue late in the game, and now he's 5 for 105. Great game. Right? Or...maybe there's more to look at under the hood.
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Luckily the game isn't played like that, subtracting the explosive plays & acting like they never happened.
 
Speedy said:
Do the Texans have to score a TD on every possession? Sure is a lot of nitpicking despite a 40 burger.
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I'd settle for scoring on every possession. That would be great.

One of the commentators mentioned the Texans were like 70% in the red zone. Shocked me. I'd have figured at 70% I'd feel very confident when the Texans get to the 20 yard line, but it's not that way. I've got fingers crossed on both hands, rubbing a rabbits foot & praying to the Blessed Virgin that something bad doesn't happen.

You know that feeling you get when you're up by 4 with 15 seconds left & the Chiefs fielded the ball on their own 6 yard line? You just know they're going to score. I'd like to feel like that every time the Texans get the ball.
 
For many years I would be anxious on 3rd and long. These days… I’m not so anxious on 3rd and long. 3rd and 5 maybe but not 3rd and long.
 
Speedy said:
Do the Texans have to score a TD on every possession? Sure is a lot of nitpicking despite a 40 burger.
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Honest critique plus pointing out obvious mistakes is how you get better and it's definitely not nitpicking. The coaches do that after every game. I'm sure the players critique themselves.
 
Porky said:
I'd like to believe the running game was great yesterday but it simply wasn't. figures lie, and liars figure. Yes, it was nice to see those explosives. They have been missing, but it's fools gold to rely on getting one of those weekly.
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I agree that this does not mean all our rushing problems are solved but at the same time most running backs yardage gets padded by long runs. For example Derek Henry the league leader had 24 carries for 132 yards with a 5.5 yard average against the Commanders. His 2 longest runs were 27 & 21 yards. If you take those off he had 22 carries for 84 yards with a 3.8 yard average, His longest run came with 2:44 left in the fourth quarter & helped seal the game. Just like Mixon's 20 yard run was for a TD. The point is you keep running until you break a long one.

How long has it been since we had not one but two runs over 50 yards in a single game? I know our OL & rushing issues are not solved just like penalties will probably rear their ugly head in future games. Still I'm going to feel good while I can about a game where we had few penalties & rushed for damn near 200 yards.
 
Porky said:
Pats have a very respectable defense. It's not likely a top 10 D but on a team with a functional offense, it's top half of league worthy.

I'd like to believe the running game was great yesterday but it simply wasn't. figures lie, and liars figure. Yes, it was nice to see those explosives. They have been missing, but it's fools gold to rely on getting one of those weekly.

Mixon went 13 for 102
one went for 59
another went for 20
The rest was 11 for 23 - basically two yards per carry for Mixon outside the two beauties.

Pierce was 8 for 76
one went for 54 and a touchdown.
I don't have the exact number, but I think he had another for roughly 15, but let's set that aside, and just take out the 54
That's 7 for 22, a scintillating 3 yards per carry

I think it's fools gold to look at a box score. This was not a game like the Colts where it was death by a thousand cuts, and Mixon was consistently getting 5-10 YPC. This was getting stymied for most of the game and having a couple of explosives that paints a picture that is not accurate.

It's like a secondary that locks down the #1 WR to 4 catches for 15 yards, but he catches one 90 yard bomb on a defensive miscue late in the game, and now he's 5 for 105. Great game. Right? Or...maybe there's more to look at under the hood.
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Football doesn’t work like that. Points scored because of big plays are going to count. Texans against Colts in your example consistently got 5 YPC against them. But the game was in doubt until the end because the Colts made big plays with a QB that went under 50% passing.

You can’t just take away the biggest plays in a game. Those happened. That’s like a boxer saying, “I was winning until I got caught.” Yeah you were, until you got knocked out…

And it wasn’t just one big play. Like you said, two runs of 50+, also a 20, Pierce also had a 10+. Those all count.
 
GBpackers12 said:
Remember 2 years ago they were decent, made the playoffs then the last 2 years the Jags have fallen apart.
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Kinda was luck TBH. Having watched him since being in the league, anything inside of 10-12 yards he’s good, beyond that he’s iffy. He’s also not all that accurate throwing deep, and he doesn’t have good touch either. You add in his tendency to turn it over via the INT or fumble…42 ints and 35 fumbles over his 4 year career.. he’s just not good.
 
badboy said:
Honest critique plus pointing out obvious mistakes is how you get better and it's definitely not nitpicking. The coaches do that after every game. I'm sure the players critique themselves.
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Good on them, since they have jobs on the line.

For us, I get it with the one score wins, but we scored 40 plus, won by 20 and are 5-1. Tank got going, run game put up some numbers, WAJ with a monster game, forced a bunch of turnovers, few penalties, relax one time. Plenty of opportunities to bust balls left. Possibly starting as early as Sunday.
 
Mr teX said:
Kinda was luck TBH. Having watched him since being in the league, anything inside of 10-12 yards he’s good, beyond that he’s iffy. He’s also not all that accurate throwing deep, and he doesn’t have good touch either. You add in his tendency to turn it over via the INT or fumble…42 ints and 35 fumbles over his 4 year career.. he’s just not good.
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I hope we can beat them the week after this week.
 
Still not impressed with offensive line. Noticed CJ going over to the bench and having a conversation but they looked whipped. Difficult to change mid-season, but something has to give next season, coaching, scheme or trades (draft). Never seen such a compressed pocket. Thought he played at a very high level despite surroundings.
 
GBpackers12 said:
Remember 2 years ago they were decent, made the playoffs then the last 2 years the Jags have fallen apart.
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Mr teX said:
Kinda was luck TBH. Having watched him since being in the league, anything inside of 10-12 yards he’s good, beyond that he’s iffy. He’s also not all that accurate throwing deep, and he doesn’t have good touch either. You add in his tendency to turn it over via the INT or fumble…42 ints and 35 fumbles over his 4 year career.. he’s just not good.
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Trevor is part of the problem, but the Jags problem is they are the Jags. Kinda like the Cowboys, they can't handle success. If they see just a glimmer of hope they go buck-wild, take their eyes off the ball & everything falls apart for no apparent reason.
 
welsh texan said:
Very expensive, it’s a nice luxury while Stroud is on his rookie deal, but down the road the Texans need to be looking to move on from Tunsil/Howard/Diggs/Hunter’s money in order to resign Stingley/Stroud/Anderson as well as many good young franchise players who won’t be hitting the very tops of their market.

Fisher showed signs that he can take over at Left Tackle to a good standard, which is a great start because it’s easier to find a RT than LT.

DeMeco will find a developmental DE, and may already have that guy on the roster in Dylan Horton if he comes back well from his illness.

Developmental WRs are easy to find and slow to develop in the NFL, Metchie isn’t getting targets again once the regular season sets in, Hutchinson flashes then goes quiet just when you expect him to perform, may need to draft another one relatively high.

You can see Caserio is planning all this ahead, trading out of the 1st round last draft meant he doesn’t have a 5th year option tolling the same year Stroud & Anderson’s new money kick in, for instance.
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While I love what Lassiter brings to the table, this is why I wanted Caserio to draft Brian Thomas Jr. Loved the Fisher pick. Next year isn't the time to be drafting an edge high.

DT, CB, S and OL are the strengths of the next draft. Although there are a few good wr's out there. Next years class isn't nearly as strong as last years wr class.
thunderkyss said:
Finally?

He's had good games all season. Yesterday he had a great game.
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His pressure against Allen in the endzone gave the Texans a chance to win that game. He's gotten good pressure this year even though he doesn't have the sack stats.
 
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GBpackers12 said:
How did the Pats Rookie QB look? I hope he looked awful LOL.
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I thought he looked pretty good. On his 1st series he was pumped up, sailed a ball on a crossing route and got intercepted. He threw 3 TD's and was generally pretty accurate. He's very mobile. He got a another pass picked on a great tip drill int that Murray made a great play on and WA made a great play tipping the pass.
 
That is exactly How I feel about KC hopefully we got a better chance of beating them this season than the last time we played blowing a 20-point lead was crazy but we had O'Brian. and those PI not being called by KC is mad even if I were a KC fan (god forbid) I wouldn't have celebrated a non PI call
 
thunderkyss said:
Finally?

He's had good games all season. Yesterday he had a great game.
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People conflate sacks with performance even though they're not always tied together.

The Bills game for example is one where I thought our defense played absolutely exemplary, especially on the edges even though they didn't produce sacks.
 
Texans took care of business. They did what good teams are supposed to do. The upcoming road game at Green Bay will show us a lot. That is if Mixon is healthy. And if the o-line remembers how to block. Defense for the most part has been doing their job.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
That’s like a boxer saying, “I was winning until I got caught.” Yeah you were, until you got knocked out…
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I'll never forget the John Tate/Mike Weaver fight for the WBA championship in 1980. Tate was way ahead in points going into the 15th round when with 40 seconds left in the fight Weaver caught Tate bouncing off the ropes with a left hook that left Tate out cold for over a minute. Like you said it counted. Weaver was WBA champ and I won a 100 dollars on that fight.
 
mws said:
I'll never forget the John Tate/Mike Weaver fight for the WBA championship in 1980. Tate was way ahead in points going into the 15th round when with 40 seconds left in the fight Weaver caught Tate bouncing off the ropes with a left hook that left Tate out cold for over a minute. Like you said it counted. Weaver was WBA champ and I won a 100 dollars on that fight.
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Ahh I remember that Monday night fight on ABC...back when some championship boxing matches were on network TV
 
A couple takeaways from the snap counts:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845824062787867044

Good thing the backup LBs got some reps in garbage time this week.

DeMeco treats the back 7 like the OL. They do not come out of the game. Whereas the DL rotates heavily to keep a fresh pass rush.

Did not realize Foley played so little. Was he hurt? Good thing Autry and Hinish are coming back this week if Foley is out as well as Edwards.

D’angelo Ross is starting CB2 while Lassiter is out.

Stover is a core ST as well as key cog in the offense. Interested to see if they get Quitoriano more snaps as he gets reacquainted with the offense.
 
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