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Texans (not) Interested in Trading for Henry

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I think that the Texans are getting ready to depart with DD after this season if this speculation is true. Making Morency the second pick of your draft then trading for Henry only points to one thing.
 
I think that the Texans are getting ready to depart with DD after this season if this speculation is true. Making Morency the second pick of your draft then trading for Henry only points to one thing.
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I was thinking the same thing, or Hollings could be gone also...
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
Cause DD is a crappy RB! If we get Henry atleast a Wild Card next year assuming are D is as good as last year! :highfive:
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Travis Henry- Fifth season, 4.0 YPC, 27 TD
DD - Third season, 4.1 YPC, 21 TD

Also, if you project DD's yards over the next 3 years, which would be his 5th season, he is well ahead of Henry's pace. So why exactly is DD a crappy RB? :rolleyes:
 
Vinny said:
I think that the Texans are getting ready to depart with DD after this season if this speculation is true. Making Morency the second pick of your draft then trading for Henry only points to one thing.
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I don't know. Having two succesful backs are an almost must these days. Especially if Dom wants us to go to a heavy run offense, it is vital to have a good one-two punch. I realize that DD and Henry run similarly, but that would certainly tire out the defense in the fourth quarter. Also having two good backs will give Morency good role models to emulate. Eventually one of the two will go(probably Henry) and DD and Morency will be the Texans run attack.
 
Maybe the Texan's coaches really like what Morency brings to the table. Morency is a lot like D.D. and maybe the Texans think that they can let go of D.D. and bring in Henry.
 
TEXANS84 said:
People, lets not forget that this year is Domanicks contract year...
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This is also Henry's contract year. He'll be a UFA after the '05 season. So it's a Rent-a-RB move. You could say the Texans would have more control over Henry's signing, but that's only true if the Texans place a franchise tag on Travis after the season. And with a cap hit of around $7 million, no one is stupid enough to do that.
 
Porky said:
Let me ask all the DD fans a question. If DD is as good as a Travis Henry, why is it that the Texans have looked to upgrade at every available opportunity? See Hollings, Mgahee, Henry, Morency, et al.
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I'm a DD fan but I think I also fall into the "realist" camp on him. To date Domanick Davis hasn't demonstrated that he really is the kind of back he shows glimpses of being.

There's nothing wrong with that. Lots of RB's in the NFL tease you but don't become the franchise back. They have some good days, do just enough to keep a few people thinking they'd be the guy if they just had a shot. That's why the Texans keep looking for someone who's proven it. Travis Henry has proven it. His two standout years (1438 and 1356 respectively) are a measurable step up from DD's (1031 and 1188).

Those are just numbers of course and there are a bunch of reasons why Davis hasn't put out numbers like (or better than) Henry. The facts are that Davis simply hasn't done anything special yet. You could make a good argument that neither has Henry. He's no Edge James. Accepted. He's a better grade of ordinary though than Domanick is right now.
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm a DD fan but I think I also fall into the "realist" camp on him. To date Domanick Davis hasn't demonstrated that he really is the kind of back he shows glimpses of being.

There's nothing wrong with that. Lots of RB's in the NFL tease you but don't become the franchise back. They have some good days, do just enough to keep a few people thinking they'd be the guy if they just had a shot. That's why the Texans keep looking for someone who's proven it. Travis Henry has proven it. His two standout years (1438 and 1356 respectively) are a measurable step up from DD's (1031 and 1188).

Those are just numbers of course and there are a bunch of reasons why Davis hasn't put out numbers like (or better than) Henry. The facts are that Davis simply hasn't done anything special yet. You could make a good argument that neither has Henry. He's no Edge James. Accepted. He's a better grade of ordinary though than Domanick is right now.
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I guess time is the major knock on DD, look at their first 2 years, respectively,

TH- 2167 YDS, 17 TD
DD- 2219 YDS, 21 TD

I don't see the huge difference, or upgrade, if we are bringing Henry in to be a starter. If he and DD were used as a two headed monster then it makes sense.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
As I stated at the beginning of this post, didn't the Texans say they changed to the zone blocking scheme due to its ability to open more holes for the running game and that they Patriots had a lot of success in their running game with this style? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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The Texans made the move to a zone blocking scheme because of the success of the Broncos and the Ravens using a similar scheme. I don't know what kind of scheme the Patriots use, but prior to last season they had a weak running game until they acquired Corey Dillon.
 
Hervoyel said:
...Travis Henry has proven it. His two standout years (1438 and 1356 respectively) are a measurable step up from DD's (1031 and 1188).
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But when you look at total yardage, Henry's best seasons of 1747 & 1514 compare pretty equally with Davis' 1382 & 1776 totals. And Davis didn't start the 1st 3rd of his rookie season. You can't really throw out rushing yardage totals unless you look at the construct of the offense they were generated in. What you can point out are the fumble totals. And Henry has proven to be twice as likely to fumble as Davis. Henry has certainly proven that.
 
Travis Henry has also proved that he is more durable than Davis too :heh:

Henry and Davis would be a two headed monster like Staley and Bettis in Pittsburgh :cool:
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm a DD fan but I think I also fall into the "realist" camp on him. To date Domanick Davis hasn't demonstrated that he really is the kind of back he shows glimpses of being.

There's nothing wrong with that. Lots of RB's in the NFL tease you but don't become the franchise back. They have some good days, do just enough to keep a few people thinking they'd be the guy if they just had a shot. That's why the Texans keep looking for someone who's proven it. Travis Henry has proven it. His two standout years (1438 and 1356 respectively) are a measurable step up from DD's (1031 and 1188).

Those are just numbers of course and there are a bunch of reasons why Davis hasn't put out numbers like (or better than) Henry. The facts are that Davis simply hasn't done anything special yet. You could make a good argument that neither has Henry. He's no Edge James. Accepted. He's a better grade of ordinary though than Domanick is right now.
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I agree.

Neither Davis or Henry are true franchise backs. Henry is probably a better runner, but he has a bigger downside with his fumbling problem. If the Texans are able to get Henry for just a fourth round pick, I say go for it. He would be an excellent source of competition and also insurance in case Davis were to get injured.
 
LikeABoss said:
Travis Henry has also proved that he is more durable than Davis too :heh:

Henry and Davis would be a two headed monster like Staley and Bettis in Pittsburgh :cool:
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He missed the last 3 games his rookie season, and 5 last year. That's not horrible, but I would not say that he's proven himself to be more durable the DD.
 
According to most of the posts above it seems to me that there isn't much difference between Domanick and Travis. They put up similar numbers, they're the same size, and they both have issues when it comes to staying healthy. So, what's Travis Henry better at? Is it pass protection or is he a better receiver than D.D.? Neither of them are true franchise backs but they aren't bad either. Both are above average backs. What is the primary reason for the Texans to pursue Travis Henry?
 
According to most of the posts above it seems to me that there isn't much difference between Domanick and Travis. They put up similar numbers, they're the same size, and they both have issues when it comes to staying healthy. So, what's Travis Henry better at? Is it pass protection or is he a better receiver than D.D.? Neither of them are true franchise backs but they aren't bad either. Both are above average backs. What is the primary reason for the Texans to pursue Travis Henry?
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Henry has 2 seasons where he put up over 1350 yards, and one of the seasons he did it he only played in 15 games. I honestly believe Travis Henry would thrive behind our O line...just MO...
 
Well...I look at it like this: If we traded for Henry, we'd use Dom-D in the slot and/or the opposite side of AJ on downs like...2nd and 5/3rd and 4, you know, to confuse the defense. On the flip side; if we got Henry, you'd wonder "why the hell did we draft Morency?" Alot of things are being considered if we are indeed interested in Henry.

About the RBs differences...I would say Henry is more a bruiser than Dom-D (In comparison to Davis). Of course Davis is a better receiver, and I believe Henry is a good blocker, but I'm not sure exactly.

Bottom line: I say "Why the hell not? Who's to say we can't have two good RBs. Besides, you need 2 Rbs nowdays anyway.

Peace every1!
 
I just can't see us bringing in Henry, AND keeping Davis, Hollings, and Morency. That would give us 2 RB's who have started in the NFL and 2 RB's who have the potential to be starting RB's...and there would still be Wells! I think it could all be BS like it was when the media was saying the Jags were trying to trade for him. The Bills just might be trying to make the rest of the NFL think that there is a high interest in Henry. I dunno, I guess we'll all find out soon enough...
 
"There are four teams still talking trade with Buffalo for TB Travis Henry and none of them are the Houston Texans, a team that I incorrectly mentioned in the past."
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Haves and Have Nots

Just saw this quote from Foxsports.com. This quote is in the notes section of the article.
 
Botton line: Why does Henry want out of Buffalo? He doesn't what to split carries or back up. With DD here, what will his role be? Answer: The same as in Buffalo. So, why would he want to come here? I think this move is trouble even though he has skills.
 
How does this guy go from "The Texans are the only team in talks with Buffalo about trading for Henry" to "There are 4 teams in talks with Buffalo about trading for Henry and the Texans are not one of them." :dangit:
 
DC_ROCK said:
Why would we want a player who wants to be a starter? We have Davis. And he will fill that role this season.

I would use our money where we need it most. O-line, or TE.
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#1 Davis is crap #2 Do you see any quality Olinemen or Tightends avaibile?
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
#1 Davis is crap #2 Do you see any quality Olinemen or Tightends avaibile?
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I'm not in-love with Davis as a franchise back but your 'Davis is crap' drivel is really getting old.
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
#1 Davis is crap #2 Do you see any quality Olinemen or Tightends avaibile?
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Since when does a 4th rounder running for consecutive 1,000 yard seasons and being a teams 2nd leader in receptions qualify as crap? Do you really expect more then what he's doing now? May have fumble problems but better then some backs as someone pointed out for DD it was like 80 touches per fumble, which isn't entirely bad. On top of that he has rushed for 1,000+ yards in consecutive years and had like that 70 receptions, we never expected all that out of him being a 4th rounder and all, we were really hoping he'd be a situational back brought in to change the pace and stuff. If anything he's been a savior for us.
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
#1 Davis is crap #2 Do you see any quality Olinemen or Tightends avaibile?
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Darn...Davis is crap. . . I guess the autographed mini helmet of him I got for signing up for a credit card is garbage. . .Hey TexansNeedRBin05, you want it?

:club:
 
The talk all week has been about the Titans being very interested in Henry.

My guess is that the "insider" who gave that information, meant the Titans when he said Houston. Some people still havent quite wrapped their heads around the fact that the Titans arent the oilers and houston has a new team.

id put money on it.
 
Grid said:
The talk all week has been about the Titans being very interested in Henry.

My guess is that the "insider" who gave that information, meant the Titans when he said Houston. Some people still havent quite wrapped their heads around the fact that the Titans arent the oilers and houston has a new team.

id put money on it.
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I'd bet your right. Still, watching people try to read the tea leaves of DD's demise on this incorrect (and frankly kind of silly--Henry was available for a 3rd when we took Morency) rumour was kind of hilarious off-season entertainment.
 
The fact that there's no evidence we were ever interested in Henry doesn't automatically mean pursuing him would be a stupid move. What I think would make it a stupid move is the fact that it's his contract year (I didn't know that). I'd just like to see Davis get considerably fewer carries this season, one way or another. If Hollings is healthy and up to it, and Morency can come in and do well, with a smaller contribution from Wells, that's great. But there are any number of reasons not to give Davis 300-plus carries again if we can help it.

Vinny said:The Texans have one of the better run blocking lines in the NFL. For some reason most of you guys think pass blocking skills equate to run blocking skills.
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Vinny, I take it you're aware that according to FO's Adjusted Line-Yards stat we're 23rd in the league at run-blocking? Not terrible, but not that good either. Of course stats aren't everything, but I think it would be fair to say that, while of course run-blocking and pass-blocking are different things, and of course our run-blocking is better than our pass-blocking, we're only an average run-blocking team at best. I agree that our line-play improved over the course of the season, but I wouldn't put us in the top half of the league.

For anyone who's interested, here's a link to the full text of the article Vinny referenced: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=2484&cat=1
 
Here is something I have been curious about, the apparent lack of cut blocks:

A final element of the zone blocking scheme is the use of the much hated cut block to seal off backside pursuit. This means that any linemen on the backside of the play cut block defensive players in front of them, which drops the defensive players to the turf and, oddly enough, opens up holes for the running back. Note that the cut block is legal in this case, as long as the offensive lineman isn’t hitting the defender from behind and as long as he doesn’t roll up on his legs.


For the record, Joe Pendry claims that his zone blocking scheme doesn’t rely on cut blocks. Given Davis’s performance, he might want to reconsider that stance.

It is possible that the lack of cut-blocking on the backside prevented Davis from breaking out past the 3 yard area and grabbing large chunks of ground.

Third, it is possible that Davis might have had a better year if Pendry had used cut-blocking to Davis’s advantage.
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From the article in the post above.

Particularly early in the year last year when the gaps weren't opening within the line as consistantly, DD would look for his cut back escape route and be met head on by the DE or OLB who should have been sealed off.

Don't know if this is some kind of objection to cut blocking (which might lead to the conclusion not to use the system) or was in anticipation of the NFL banning them (which they just considered and rejected again) but I'd like to see it incorporated more if we are going to run zone blocking.
 
Domanick Davis is a great back, I don't know why he gets dissed by any of our fans ?

He's tuff and he can catch..........I like him.


Infantrycak...........this if for you :highfive:


BUDDY! :)
 
I dont see how anyone can say anything bad about DD... He has had back to back 1000 yard seasons, and averages 8 yards per catch. Name 1 person on our team that has done better than him. He had 4 fumbles in the first 2 games last year cause he was trying to get xtra yards after getting hit, but he has fixed that. I wouldnt mind picking up Henry, but only if we can get him for cheap. He would be a great addition, to keep DD from having to take the load of the snaps.
 
canadiantexan said:
I've seen alot of Bills games the last couple years because I live so close to Buffalo and my brother is a Bills fan. Having said that I would love to see Travis wear a Texans Jersey next year but only for the right price. Travis can run between the guards or around the tackles has good speed and can run over most LB's. I think Henry had like back to back 1300 yard seasons and only lost his starting spot because Bledsoe was so terrible last year the Bills offence needed a spark so Malarkey inserted basically a rookie RB to provide a spark. McGahee then used his considerable talents to win the job (no shame losing to Mcgahee he could be a special one). If we can pick up Henry without "selling the farm" then he would make a excellent short yardage banger for us while DD plays the majority of the passing downs and if DD gets hurt we wont miss a beat.
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awww i kinda wanted to see some vernand morency...
 
Yeah, we're not actually going to sign Henry. I wouldn't mind if we did, however, providing he was prepared to sign a half-way reasonable new contract.

One thing I find interesting about the Morency pick is that he is by all accounts a very similar type of back to Davis. Not (I would have thought) what you want out of a guy who's going to rotate with him, but perhaps exactly what you want from a prospective replacement. Just a thought.
 
I read on NFL.com yesterday that "the Texans are NOT interested in Henry as previously reported". Our RB's are Davis, Hollings, Morency. Let's get used to it.
 
They're making him a FB due to his size...for now. So heading into these mini-camps our RB's are as previously stated and our FB's are Norris, Wells, and Baxter. I did not leave him out on purpose, just trying to catoragize it properly so that it makes sense. :hmmm:
 
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