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Texans Meet With Prospect ______, 2012 Edition
- Thread starter rmartin65
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drs23
Veteran
I don't have a dog in this fight and it's prolly apples to plums but IIRC #34 THE GREAT was 5'11" and 220ish. He seemed to do OK.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Shorter than ideal with limited measureables and is too easily engulfed by blockers near the line of scrimmage. Needs to anchor better at the point of attack and was too often knocked backwards or off his feet. More of a straight-line athlete with some stiffness in his hips, lacking the smooth change of direction ability to quickly redirect. Slips off too many ballcarriers and needs to complete tackles -- will go for the big hit too often instead of consistently wrapping up. Has some durability concerns after a shoulder and thumb injury hampered him in 2011 -- wore a cast on his left hand for part of his senior season. Has some minor character concerns after he was suspended for parts of two different games for separate violations of team rules.He looks plenty strong to me.
Quick enough to stay with Tight Ends and slot receivers as well, so he may be a 3-down LB in our system. He might make a good RB too if that whole linebacker thing doesn't work out...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1692733
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
badboy
Hall of Fame
Earl Campbell in college was 220ish but 232 NFL.
Earl was RB not a LB and in the 70's your D-linemen were in the 270 lbs. range, not 320-350 lbs. range. Different era entirely. Today's NFL isn't even close to what we grew up watching.
CND, we're not looking for that type of SS, we got rid of Pollard because of his lack of coverage skills. The NFL has become a passing league thus the reason we converted a CB to SS, because of his coverage skills.
Dutchrudder, he might look strong in pictures but so do the 320 lbs. OG's that will steamroll him. We've already got Sharpton who's the same size as Kendricks and this is a big boy league.
JMO, but Kendricks is just to small to play ILB in a 3-4 where he'll routinely take on FB's and OG's. I just don't see him withstanding a season long pounding at his size.
Good find BB.
If he's getting knocked down or engulfed by college level O-linemen, then he'll get killed in the NFL.
2nd part sounds like a poor tackler. Granted that can be fixed but overall he sounds like a late round pick that makes the practice squad, maybe, and I'm looking for potential starters in the 2nd round.
I don't know if the Texans have met with him, but I'd be real happy with this guy in rd 2 as an ILB:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=102957&draftyear=2012&genpos=olb
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=102957&draftyear=2012&genpos=olb
Maybe someone should tell that to the texans as they are the ones meeting with him.
I can't see them going through the trouble if the didn't have genuine interest.
He is good in pass coverage as a lb, has great speed and he is a thumper. He's not rated as a second round prospect for no reason.
Does he have flaws? Sure. But make no mistake about it, he is a good player.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
He's 1 inch taller and 2 pounds heavier than Kendricks. Guess he's gonna have to play fullback too?
No man, your expectations are too low. If our draft doesn't go like this, then we need to fire Rick Smith!
1. Robert Griffin QB
2. Donta Hightower LB
3. Jerel Worthy DT
4a. Michael Floyd WR
4b. Brian Quick WR
5. Mitchell Schwartz OT
6. Shea McClellan OLB
7. Randy Bullock K
That's without trading up for better players too.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I got Irvin going to us in the 2nd.
I'd love to have Irvin. I've mocked him to us several times...
He is dynamite off the edge...
Good point but I don't see his size as a reason why he can't play 3-4 ILB. NaVorro Bowman gives his stamp of approval
(143 tackles at 6-0 242).I am going to make a prediction and say that Bruce Irvin, while a natural pass rusher, will slide because he is profoundly stupid. Getting arrested at a fast food sandwich shop A DAY AFTER HIS PRO DAY is just out of this world idiotic. It's like testing positive for weed at the combine. Plus the guy has other red flags. Damn shame because he is one hell of a pass rusher.
Lol, That's pretty good. I liked what I saw from Wagner at the Senior Bowl, but I didn't think much about him at the time because of Ryan's. I don't know much about Kendrick's other than he's a freaky good athlete
Miami (Ohio) OG Brandon Brooks is scheduled to visit with the Texans.
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1176368&nid=6109125&fhn=1
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1176368&nid=6109125&fhn=1
Quite a few teams have been showing interest in him...
Character concerns alone normally don't drop guys too far. Character concerns with less than impressive measureables tend to make guys drop.
Bruce Irvin was productive and he has top notch measureables.
I think someone is going to take a gamble on him and hope that he doesn't get into any trouble and can stay on the field.
There are a few teams that I have read that have shown interest in him and I think the Pats and Bills are or have brought him in for a visit.
Yeah, he has done some idiotic things, but for the most part he has been able to stay on the field and play.
The Texans also met with Stanford OT Jonathan Martin.
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1176347&nid=5445926&fhn=1
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1176347&nid=5445926&fhn=1
In an interview with Charlie Casserly, J Worthy said he has had talks with the Texans. So much for him not fitting our scheme.
Mussop, if we draft Worthy in the first we can be the sole Texan fans having a drink to that one...
Don't worry, people will come around once he starts blowing up offensive lines.
Last year I said Watt was perfect for this defense. This year Worthy is my guy! There is no other defensive player in this draft that fits this team better.
People were freaking out when we drafted Watt. I really believe Worthy can have the same kind of effect Watt had as a rookie. Some will say well he was inconsistent. I'm not worried about that at all. He was the only player on MSU's front seven that was any good, yet he was still able to dominate at times. He's got high football IQ, is a vocal leader and has an explosive first step. He is perfect for this defense.
Cody is a very serviceable but he does little in terms of creating problems for offensive lines. Put Worthy in between Watt and Smith and you now have 3 players that are capable of getting penetration against double teams on a regular basis. Think of all the problems that will create for offensive lines.
Don't worry, people will come around once he starts blowing up offensive lines.
Last year I said Watt was perfect for this defense. This year Worthy is my guy! There is no other defensive player in this draft that fits this team better.
People were freaking out when we drafted Watt. I really believe Worthy can have the same kind of effect Watt had as a rookie. Some will say well he was inconsistent. I'm not worried about that at all. He was the only player on MSU's front seven that was any good, yet he was still able to dominate at times. He's got high football IQ, is a vocal leader and has an explosive first step. He is perfect for this defense.
Cody is a very serviceable but he does little in terms of creating problems for offensive lines. Put Worthy in between Watt and Smith and you now have 3 players that are capable of getting penetration against double teams on a regular basis. Think of all the problems that will create for offensive lines.
Yeah, if worthy is there I think I'd take him. I think he can be a dominant player on the NFL level. And I agree, I think he'd be special in our defense.
Glad to hear the Texans are meeting with my favorite sleeper pick.
If Brooks is there in the 2nd Rd he will be a steal
350 Lbs men who run 4.9 and BP 35 times dont grow on trees. Brooks is a monster and despite being a big guy has great movement skills. He would be a great fit in the ZBS.
Brooks can also play RT in addition to OG.
Round 1, Pick 26.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Houston Texans
Miami (Ohio) guard Brandon Brooks (?/?).
LSU cornerback Ron Brooks (4/?).
Texas A&M kicker Randy Bullock (4/16).
Old Dominion defensive tackle Ronnie Cameron (?/?).
Oregon State cornerback Brandon Hardin (?/?).
Boise State safety George Iloka (?/?).
California linebacker Mychal Kendricks (4/?).
Northwestern State cornerback Jeremy Lane (4/1).
Grambling receiver Mario Louis (4/?).
Arkansas State safety Kelcie McCray (?/?).
Texas A&M cornerback Lionel Smith (4/?).
Illinois safety Tavon Wilson (?/?).
Miami (Ohio) guard Brandon Brooks (?/?).
LSU cornerback Ron Brooks (4/?).
Texas A&M kicker Randy Bullock (4/16).
Old Dominion defensive tackle Ronnie Cameron (?/?).
Oregon State cornerback Brandon Hardin (?/?).
Boise State safety George Iloka (?/?).
California linebacker Mychal Kendricks (4/?).
Northwestern State cornerback Jeremy Lane (4/1).
Grambling receiver Mario Louis (4/?).
Arkansas State safety Kelcie McCray (?/?).
Texas A&M cornerback Lionel Smith (4/?).
Illinois safety Tavon Wilson (?/?).
If that guy can get to the second level watch out, he is gonna kill somebody.
http://www.kffl.com/team/18/NFL
Texans met with Stanford OT Jonathan Martin.
Same site says the Texans could be targeting Brian Quick in the first.
Texans met with Stanford OT Jonathan Martin.
Same site says the Texans could be targeting Brian Quick in the first.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
The receiver from Appalachian St? WOW!...uh WOW!
I guess he's projected to go early in the 2nd and they feel he will not be available by the time they pick? Perhaps a Duane Brown situation?
Here's some info I found on a Jags board. Looks like they like him:
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2012/4/5/2928353/nfl-draft-2012-brian-quick-jacksonville-jaguars
Brian Quick looks like a beast on film. I think he would be a better player than Jacoby and Walter from day 1 even coming from a small school.
He looks like he does a lot of things really well...Catches in traffic, gets seperation, and he is a Beast after the catch...
Is he worth an end of the first round draft pick?
I wouldn't mind it at all.
He looks like he does a lot of things really well...Catches in traffic, gets seperation, and he is a Beast after the catch...
Is he worth an end of the first round draft pick?
I wouldn't mind it at all.
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Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
If the guy is a hit, then they are always worth a draft pick IMO. I don't really care about the perceived reach so much as the actual production of a player. It only matters when they don't work out for you
As for Quick, he's moving up boards all over the place. A couple months ago he was thought to be a 3-4 round guy, but now it seems he will be at mid-2nd rounder. The question is, can the Texans trade back 15 spots or so and pick up a 3rd and still get him? Say Seattle wanted to give us #43 and #75 for #26 to jump up and get a guy like Fleener, Worthy or Perry. Could we still get Quick at 43? I think so, but I also think he may be there at 58. At this point I expect him to be taken somewhere around 40-60.
It would also be cool to have back to back picks in the 3rd
Another potential trade partner would be Dallas who really really needs a center. I expect Konz to be there at 26, but probably won't fall past Baltimore or Green Bay.
Experience suggests that the Texans will not use a pre-draft visit with their first round pick-http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...after-tracking-pre-draft-visits-and-workouts/. The attentive reader may note that none of these players are first round prospects. (Jonathan Martin is the exception and may go late in the first round).
As best I can piece together from several sources, these players have visited or will visit with the Texans:
Mario Louis, WR, Grambling State
Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
Brandon Brooks, OL, Miami-Ohio
Bruce Irvin, LB, West Virginia
Mychal Kendricks, LB, California
Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
Derek Wolfe, DL, Cincinnati
Jerel Worthy, DL Michigan State
Ronnie Cameron, DL, Old Dominion
Brandon Hardin, DB, Oregon State
Ron Brooks, DB, LSU
Lionel Smith, DB, Texas A&M
Desmond Marrow, DB, Toledo
Donnie Fletcher, DB, Boston College
Jeremy Lane, DB, Northwestern State
Tavon Wilson, SS, Illinois
Kelcie McCray, S, Arkansas State
George Iloka, S, Boise State
Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
So, whatya think about these guys? Love 'em? Hate 'em? Intrigued?
Mario Louis, WR, Grambling State
I kind of like this guy's versatility and it looks like he can actually catch the ball. If we're grading on a curve (in other words, compared to Jacoby Jones) this guy could be a late round home-run. UDFA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kGBy4pNSEgA
Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
This guy was rated the #2 tackle in the draft prior to the combine and then his stock fell. I've seen him mocked late in the first all the way to late in the second round. Looks to me like a solid run-blocker, could possibly start at right tackle or at least provide support at swing tackle. Round 1-2
Brandon Brooks, OL, Miami-Ohio
Wasn't invited to combine but his draft stock is rising rapidly. This guy could bench press a truck and he's predicted to fit well into a zone scheme. Rounds 2-4
Bruce Irvin, LB, West Virginia
Could be a gifted edge-rusher but he's very raw. This position has a high bust factor. Rounds 3-4
Mychal Kendricks, LB, California
I gotta say I'm intrigued by this guy. Played outside and then played inside in the 3-4. Good coverage skills, fastest time at combine for LB in 12 years. Kind of small for ILB, but so is Sharpton. Rounds 3-5
Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
Considered more a Will 4-3 prospect but a good one. Not much of a pass rusher but good coverage skills, small. Rounds 2-3
Derek Wolfe, DL, Cincinnati
Pegged as a high motor player best-fitted as a 5-technique in a 3-4. Sound familiar? Rounds 2-3
Jerel Worthy, DL Michigan State
Possible fit as 5-technique minus a few pounds or in rotation as a Phillips-style NT. Rounds 2-3
Ronnie Cameron, DL, Old Dominion
Dominant player in small conference, looks like possible NT. Rounds 5-UDFA
Brandon Hardin, DB, Oregon State
Projected as FS, special teams gunner. Rounds 4-6
Ron Brooks, DB, LS
Projected as SS. Round 3
Lionel Smith, DB, Texas A&M
Round 7-UDFA
Desmond Marrow, DB, Toledo
UDFA
Donnie Fletcher, DB, Boston College
4-year starter. Rounds 4-6
Jeremy Lane, DB, Northwestern State
Round 6-UDFA
Tavon Wilson, SS, Illinois
Rounds 6-7
Kelcie McCray, S, Arkansas State
Rounds 6-7
George Iloka, S, Boise State
Rounds 2-4
Looks like a typical Texans' draft...DL, OL, LBs, some developmental DBs for special teams and UDFA receivers. Except for that first pick...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/29/2012-draft-visits-and-workout-tracker/
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=3641
http://draftace.com/blog/2012/03/16/2012-pre-draft-visit-tracker/
As best I can piece together from several sources, these players have visited or will visit with the Texans:
Mario Louis, WR, Grambling State
Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
Brandon Brooks, OL, Miami-Ohio
Bruce Irvin, LB, West Virginia
Mychal Kendricks, LB, California
Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
Derek Wolfe, DL, Cincinnati
Jerel Worthy, DL Michigan State
Ronnie Cameron, DL, Old Dominion
Brandon Hardin, DB, Oregon State
Ron Brooks, DB, LSU
Lionel Smith, DB, Texas A&M
Desmond Marrow, DB, Toledo
Donnie Fletcher, DB, Boston College
Jeremy Lane, DB, Northwestern State
Tavon Wilson, SS, Illinois
Kelcie McCray, S, Arkansas State
George Iloka, S, Boise State
Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
So, whatya think about these guys? Love 'em? Hate 'em? Intrigued?
Mario Louis, WR, Grambling State
I kind of like this guy's versatility and it looks like he can actually catch the ball. If we're grading on a curve (in other words, compared to Jacoby Jones) this guy could be a late round home-run. UDFA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kGBy4pNSEgA
Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
This guy was rated the #2 tackle in the draft prior to the combine and then his stock fell. I've seen him mocked late in the first all the way to late in the second round. Looks to me like a solid run-blocker, could possibly start at right tackle or at least provide support at swing tackle. Round 1-2
Brandon Brooks, OL, Miami-Ohio
Wasn't invited to combine but his draft stock is rising rapidly. This guy could bench press a truck and he's predicted to fit well into a zone scheme. Rounds 2-4
Bruce Irvin, LB, West Virginia
Could be a gifted edge-rusher but he's very raw. This position has a high bust factor. Rounds 3-4
Mychal Kendricks, LB, California
I gotta say I'm intrigued by this guy. Played outside and then played inside in the 3-4. Good coverage skills, fastest time at combine for LB in 12 years. Kind of small for ILB, but so is Sharpton. Rounds 3-5
Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
Considered more a Will 4-3 prospect but a good one. Not much of a pass rusher but good coverage skills, small. Rounds 2-3
Derek Wolfe, DL, Cincinnati
Pegged as a high motor player best-fitted as a 5-technique in a 3-4. Sound familiar? Rounds 2-3
Jerel Worthy, DL Michigan State
Possible fit as 5-technique minus a few pounds or in rotation as a Phillips-style NT. Rounds 2-3
Ronnie Cameron, DL, Old Dominion
Dominant player in small conference, looks like possible NT. Rounds 5-UDFA
Brandon Hardin, DB, Oregon State
Projected as FS, special teams gunner. Rounds 4-6
Ron Brooks, DB, LS
Projected as SS. Round 3
Lionel Smith, DB, Texas A&M
Round 7-UDFA
Desmond Marrow, DB, Toledo
UDFA
Donnie Fletcher, DB, Boston College
4-year starter. Rounds 4-6
Jeremy Lane, DB, Northwestern State
Round 6-UDFA
Tavon Wilson, SS, Illinois
Rounds 6-7
Kelcie McCray, S, Arkansas State
Rounds 6-7
George Iloka, S, Boise State
Rounds 2-4
Looks like a typical Texans' draft...DL, OL, LBs, some developmental DBs for special teams and UDFA receivers. Except for that first pick...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/29/2012-draft-visits-and-workout-tracker/
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=3641
http://draftace.com/blog/2012/03/16/2012-pre-draft-visit-tracker/
It's just an annual workout the Texans put together for local draft prospects.
Keenum will be there too, doesn't mean the Texans have any plan regarding any of them.
Keenum, along with receiver Patrick Edwards, center Chris Thompson, linebacker Sammy Brown and running back Michael Hayes, are scheduled to participate in a workout for the Texans on Saturday at Reliant Park. The Texans annually host a workout for many of the local, Houston-area draft prospects and invites them to workout (note: workout is closed to the public and to the media).
http://blog.chron.com/cougars/2012/04/qa-catching-up-with-case-keenum/
Minnesota TE/FB Eric Lair.
http://twitter.com/#!/E_Lair85/status/191012867506581504
Another local boy, I think.
http://twitter.com/#!/E_Lair85/status/191012867506581504
Another local boy, I think.
I've seen these guys play, some more often than other; maybe I'll start looking at them more closely now.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
Did Kubiak watch any of the field goals, or did he have his back turned.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Thank you. Everyone thinks I'm crazy for using my late rounders on a kicker. Saying you could get a UDFA for cheaper. I say make your picks count if you know this guy can do the job.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
probably to gain some insight on how tough a match-up Fleener & Owusu where in practices
