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Texans interested in Trading FOR Kaepernick

thunderkyss said:
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I hope we get Kaepernick. I'm a fan. If properly motivated, I'm sure O'b can get this dude with this team to the Super Bowl. Maybe even this year. If not for O'b screwing up the QB decision the last two years I'd be less inclined to think he'll make the best of it. But now... now I think he'll maximize Kaep's abilities & get us tp a Super Bowl.

I also belie we are highly interested as there were rumors last year that we inquired about Kaep's availability last season. I'm not opposed to using 22 to get him on his current contract.




Hoyer would be out. His $4.5M will offset Kaepernick's $11.5, so we'll pretty much paying $6M for Kaepernick in lieu of Hoyer. Smith might even be able to get us a 6th for Hoyer.
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If we give up our first for CK I would probably have to switch to watching the CFL. I can't believe an NFL franchise outside of the Browns or Raiders would give a first for CK.

I'd maybe give up a third and something in 2017 just to see what's in the tank so we can take our time grooming a shiny new QB from this years draft.

Now if Rick can get anything for Hoyer after getting something for a washed up Schaub I would sign Rick to a lifetime contract just for having some serious balls.
 
dalemurphy said:
The situation this off-season at QB reminds me a great deal of the 2006 NFL off-season... Fortunately, it appears the Texans organization is much more determined to make significant changes at QB instead of continuing down a failing path.

2006 Qbs of note:

Trade- Dante Culpepper to Miami for 2nd round pick (1 year removed from MVP season), Schaub rumors began
Free Agents- Drew Brees to New Orleans, Kurt Warner/Arizona,
other noteworthy names (at the time): Jon Kitna, Garcia, + restricted FA Chris Simms
1st round picks: Vince Young, Leinart, Cutler

It is rare that there are so many available QBs with some appeal. If you look at the list above, clearly some of those decisions worked out incredibly well and others were a disaster. It's going to be interesting!
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Jake Plummer was also traded to Tampa Bay
 
Texian said:
McClain and Rapoport both have a direct line to McNair and Smith. I doubt Rapoport would be reporting this if he hadn't talked directly to a Texans executive.
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McClain also assured everyone that this exact thing would NOT happen. McNair also has gone public saying the Texans would NOT take another retread at QB from FA. Rapoport is just spreading baseless rumors, as always.
 
Of course the Texans and Brown FO's will shoot down reports. Kaepernick is under contract. Last I checked its against the rules to make comments about acquiring other teams players.
 
Big Lou said:
Now if Rick can get anything for Hoyer after getting something for a washed up Schaub I would sign Rick to a lifetime contract just for having some serious balls.
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He also got us an extra 5th round pick for Fitzpatrick, Akeem Dent for Tj Yates, & I think an extra 7th for Case Keenum.


But yeah, I imagine most will be upset with a Kaepernick trade, especially when they see what we gave up for him (if we were able to get him).

They'll get over it when we're minutes away from winning Super Bowl LI
 
Kaepernick's contract becomes guaranteed at some point soon. Teams may just wait out SF and see if they get desperate enough toward the deadline to sell low or maybe even cut him. No reason to give up a pick this early in the process. Make SF sweat it out.
 
Just curious. Why is it when Andrew Luck has a bad year, we expect him to bounce back.

But a guy like Kaepernick, not so much.

I can understand being apprehensive of an RGIII comeback. He can't run around like he used to & you don't become a pocket passer overnight. Most who try to learn in the NFL, without extensive experience prior, fail.

But we don't need Kaepernick to transition overnight. We need OB to be creative in how he utilizes Kaepernick's talents to get defenses on their heels long enough to give them the slip once or twice a game.

Our defense is as good or better than the one San Francisco took to the Super Bowl.
 
WolverineFan said:
Kaepernick's contract becomes guaranteed at some point soon. Teams may just wait out SF and see if they get desperate enough toward the deadline to sell low or maybe even cut him. No reason to give up a pick this early in the process. Make SF sweat it out.
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San Francisco doesn't want to get rid of him. They're trying to sweet talk Kaepernick into staying, but at the end of the day, he's under contract.

Kaep doesn't trust Baalke, or he just don't like him. But once it gets to competition time, he's going to do what he needs to do to win the starting job in Kelly's system.

We would just be presenting them with an option. Our first round pick may not be enough for us to get Goff, or Wentz. But combined with theirs, it may be more than enough. Kelly gets a new QB... everybody is happy.

Except most Texans fans.
 
I mentioned this last night as a possibility.
Forgot which thread, I've been posting more lately.
It's nice to see a thread with a credible source discussing it now.
 
Even though I've been a fan of the RG3 train coming to Houston, I've always said that he would be my second choice after Colin Kaepernick. If we have a chance to acquire Kaepernick it's a no-brainer. Get it, done. I may start to feel more encouraged by Rick Smith if that happens.

Back in early 2013 Bill O'Brien was discussing quarterback play at his Penn State coaches seminar (29 seconds to past the 1 minute mark). He actually mentioned the names of Colin Kaepernick and Robert Griffin III at around the 59 second, 1 minute mark exactly. Also Russell Wilson's name was mentioned.


But it's cool we may be in position to land one of those guys that he spoke highly of at that quarterbacks seminar. Maybe we can land one of those guys (Kaep or RG3) and his boy from Penn State, Christian Hackenberg slips to us in the second round?

All of a sudden we'd have two quarterbacks who O'Brien likes.
And guys who would be major upgrades over what we have now.
And we'd still have Tom Savage in the mix competing and working.

At this point it's almost impossible for us "not to improve" at quarterback.
 
Knock on wood of course. I'm not trying to jinx anything. LOL

I just feel like we're in a pretty good position with some appealing quarterback options, in the very near future, becoming available to us.

In the mean time it's fun to discuss and speculate. It's all we can do for now.
 
Texian said:
According to Ian Rapoport, now being reported on the NFL Combine, the Texans are interested in trading with San Franciso 49ers for QB, Colin Kaepernick.
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Gahd no! Houston must not absorb the enormous cap hit to get another starting QB who isn't good enough to start. Let's hope this rumor is just a smoke screen.
If it happens, we fans better get ready to hang some effigies.
 
Norg said:
ehhhh I thought Chip wanted to keep Kap I wonder what there asking in return
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Stephen A. Smith reported earlier in the week that Colin Kaepernick hates the idea of playing for Chip Kelly and he wants to move the hell on out of San Francisco. His agent is trying to work a trade so that Keap can have a successful career elsewhere. That's just what I heard is all. Whether it's true or not we'll see.

All of a sudden more NFL reporters (respectable ones too) are reporting that he's generating trade interest from the typical QB needy teams, Texans being among them.

We're probably the best team out of the quarterback lacking bunch. We made the playoffs last season starting the likes of Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, T.J. Yates and Brandon Weeden. Four different guys!

You can make a case that we'd become a potential Super Bowl contender with one of these young and exciting quarterbacks. A guy like Colin Keapernick once led his team to a couple of straight NFC Championship games and Super Bowl riding a dominating defense. We have that here.

Although coaching is important. Jim Harbaugh was a quarterbacks guru. Bill O'Brien is viewed as one. To be fair, he's worked with a lot of less than impressive quarterback talent while in Houston so far, and he's gone 10-6 and 9-7 with a playoff appearance. Playing seven different quarterbacks in those two seasons. It's very impressive when you think about it.

If we can land Colin Kaepernick I'd feel pretty excited.
Likewise if we ended up with Robert Griffin III. I'm cool with that.

But anyways, I'm good with any upgrade we make at quarterback. I've been in favor or bringing in at least two new quarterbacks whether it's via the trade market, free agency or draft.
 
Seegara said:
Gahd no! Houston must not absorb the enormous cap hit to get another starting QB who isn't good enough to start. Let's hope this rumor is just a smoke screen.
If it happens, we fans better get ready to hang some effigies.
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Not good enough to start? Based on last season? Fair enough. This was once a guy viewed as one of the best young quarterbacks in the game before Jim Harbaugh left.

He was a game-winning drive short of potentially winning two Super Bowls in a row. Against the Ravens in the Super Bowl and against the Seahawks in the NFC Championship. Although I cant assume Keapernick and the 49ers would have defeated the Broncos in the Super Bowl. I do think they would have stomped the Broncos all the same (maybe not 43-8 like the Seahawks did) because the Broncos were missing their stud Left Tackle Ryan Clady and the Broncos also had Von Miller on IR. The 49ers defense was just as good as the Seahawks defense that year. That was the year before the Broncos signed future Hall of Famer, DeMarcus Ware. So their pass rush off the edge wasn't great yet (no Von Miller, no Ware).

Ironically, the Texans have a pretty amazing defense now. Somewhat similar to some of these past handful of Super Bowl winning teams. All we need is a quarterback.

If Bill O'Brien feels he can coach up these talented young guys, very much in their prime, then I'm all for it. It's still better than the journeymen we've been starting the past two seasons. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, Case Keenum, T.J. Yates, Brandon Weeden and of course Tom Savage played in a few regular-season games (came out right away with injuries, didn't start).

With Super Bowl 51 being at NRG Stadium in Houston next February.
We should be trying to do everything we can to be playing in that game.

How cool would it be to become the first NFL team to be playing in a Super Bowl inside their own stadium? That would be an amazing story. It would make up for all of the down years we've had since 2002.
 
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Bulls on Parade said:
Not good enough to start? Based on last season? Fair enough. This was once a guy viewed as one of the best young quarterbacks in the game before Jim Harbaugh left.
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bolded is key... I know you are all gung ho about getting Kaepernick, you also thought Hoyer & Mallett would lead us to the SB this past year.... we all know how that worked out
 
Mollywhopper said:
Has Kaepernick been injured?
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thunderkyss said:
No
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Mollywhopper said:
There you go.
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Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kaepernick injured the thumb on his throwing hand on Oct 22. Just a week later, he injured his knee and subsequently got benched. His knee never showed up on the Injury Report for his knee. On Nov 24, he mysteriously underwent major shoulder surgery on his nonthrowing arm. His operating surgeon reported that the surgery was for an "extensive" labrum tear.......~a 6 month recovery. Despite this, his shoulder also never showed up on any Injury Report. Then on Dec 30, he underwent repair of his torn thumb ligament (~a 3 month recovery) and an arthroscopic left knee surgery to excise loose cartilage fragments (~a 2 month recovery) for an injury that included a bone bruise injury. Then the revelation at the time of the arthroscopic surgery, that he has played his entire NFL career with an undisclosed titanium rod in his left leg (surgery for a major stress fracture of his tibia prior to his rookie season, with recovery during the NFL lockout).........the injury being associated with some knee cartilage damage. It took a full year for the leg to completely heal and that he has had ongoing problems with it and the knee joint, which led to the recent knee surgery. To be complete, in 2013, Kaepernick tore a joint capsule in the ball of his foot and played with a very small bone fracture chip in his foot. Both healed with rest with neither requiring offseason surgery.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I hope we get Kaepernick. I'm a fan. If properly motivated, I'm sure O'b can get this dude with this team to the Super Bowl. Maybe even this year. If not for O'b screwing up the QB decision the last two years I'd be less inclined to think he'll make the best of it. But now... now I think he'll maximize Kaep's abilities & get us tp a Super Bowl.
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Seegara dislikes this.
 
Mollywhopper said:
No one wins without a QB who can play consistently from the pocket.
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Kaepernick's had plenty of good games playing primarily from the pocket. One I remember where he beat New England pretty good.

I'm not saying he's Peyton Manning, but he's not Brian Hoyer either. He's not Russell Wilson & he's not Cam Newton. He's a serious threat when he's on the field.
 
thunderkyss said:
Kaepernick's had plenty of good games playing primarily from the pocket. One I remember where he beat New England pretty good.

I'm not saying he's Peyton Manning, but he's not Brian Hoyer either. He's not Russell Wilson & he's not Cam Newton. He's a serious threat when he's on the field.
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- You mean three and a half years ago, when the league had still barely seen him? I'm not counting on turning the clock back to that.

- Except when he's not a serious threat, which he hasn't been consistently in two years. But you've watched, so I'm sure you know that.

Look, I'll root for him too if he ends up here, but being honest I don't see any reason to be confidant he'll recreate what he had. And talk of giving up a first round pick plus slotting 12M of the cap to that guy sounds silly at best. 'He's not Brian Hoyer' is far from a good reason.
 
Mollywhopper said:
- You mean three and a half years ago, when the league had still barely seen him? I'm not counting on turning the clock back to that.

- Except when he's not a serious threat, which he hasn't been consistently in two years. But you've watched, so I'm sure you know that.

Look, I'll root for him too if he ends up here, but being honest I don't see any reason to be confidant he'll recreate what he had. And talk of giving up a first round pick plus slotting 12M of the cap to that guy sounds silly at best. 'He's not Brian Hoyer' is far from a good reason.
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Seriously you think Phillip rivers sucks. Obviously you won't be happy with any qb that we have any real legitimate chance at getting.
 
mussop said:
Seriously you think Phillip rivers sucks. Obviously you won't be happy with any qb that we have any real legitimate chance at getting.
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I don't think Rivers sucks. I question how much of a clutch QB he is and put SD's mediocre-ness on his shoulders more than saying he's just a victim of it.

Also, I was under the impression that Rivers and Kaep aren't the only two QB's we've had a legit chance at getting.
 
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2012 SF:
#2 defense in the NFL
1200 yard rusher
9 pro bowlers
Kap - 62%, 10/3 TD to INT, 98 Rating

2013 SF:
#3 defense in the NFL
1100 yard rusher
9 pro bowlers
Kap - 58%, 21/8, 91

2015 HOU:
#3 defense in the NFL
600 yard rusher
2 pro bowlers
Hoyer - 60%, 19/7, 91


Trust me, this is not a Hoyer endorsement. Quite the opposite.

I bet every single one of you Kap lovers would trade OB for Harbaugh straight up. Who wouldn't based on results? But it's funny to me that I continuously see how Kap "led" his team to where they got. But Hoyer (obviously, IMO) was just the sh*t QB that was carried by his team.

The truth is that SF's defense won those games while Kap was protected by Harbaugh and handed off to Gore. As soon as the defense dropped from elite to just very good they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs. And as soon as Harbaugh left they fell to 5-11.

But nah, Kap led that team to the Super Bowl.
 
I would question why does he want out of San Francisco since they brought in Chip Kelly, fits system & by all accounts wanted to retain his services even with big, fat bonus looming :mcnugget:
 
bah007 said:
2012 SF:
#2 defense in the NFL
1200 yard rusher
9 pro bowlers
Kap - 62%, 10/3 TD to INT, 98 Rating

2013 SF:
#3 defense in the NFL
1100 yard rusher
9 pro bowlers
Kap - 58%, 21/8, 91

2015 HOU:
#3 defense in the NFL
600 yard rusher
2 pro bowlers
Hoyer - 60%, 19/7, 91


Trust me, this is not a Hoyer endorsement. Quite the opposite.

I bet every single one of you Kap lovers would trade OB for Harbaugh straight up. Who wouldn't based on results? But it's funny to me that I continuously see how Kap "led" his team to where they got. But Hoyer (obviously, IMO) was just the sh*t QB that was carried by his team.

The truth is that SF's defense won those games while Kap was protected by Harbaugh and handed off to Gore. As soon as the defense dropped from elite to just very good they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs. And as soon as Harbaugh left they fell to 5-11.

But nah, Kap led that team to the Super Bowl.
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I wouldn't touch Harbaugh with a 10' pole.

Kaepernick takes the #3 defense to the Super Bowl, Hoyer gets the #3 defense laughed at & you don't see a difference.

:ok:
 
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xtruroyaltyx said:
If we're going to trade for a qb just trade up and take Goff.

Yeah I know...difference in what would need to be given up.

But often times you get what you pay for.
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I'd just as soon as take Cook. Still, I'd be more excited about trading for Kaepernick.

I understand long term, Goff, Wentz, or whoever may be better for the long term. & I'm obviously in the minority.

We get Kaepernick & I feel we have a chance to win SuperBowl LI. We draft a guy... maybe we win make the playoffs next season, as a wild card. Maybe.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you want to see all the links that said we weren't interested in Mallett?
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Do you want to see all the links that said they weren't interested in guys they actually turned out to not be interested in? I'm guessing there's way more of those than the Mallett links.
 
At what point in O'Brien's coaching career does it suggest that he could take a failing read-option quarterback and have success? The time he was fetching Gatorade for Brady? The one good(ish) year of Hackenberg? Mallett? Fitz? Hoyer? Keenum? Yates? The sad attempt at creativity (aka 'out of ideas') we called the wild-cat ... which failed spectacularly as a read-option with Daniels? Is O'Brien running an offense for Kaepernick something Texans fans want to see?

Actually I take that back, I'm all for bring him in. Otherwise we'd be stuck with a quarterback trying to run O'Brien's offense ... much like against KC, Atlanta, Miami, Pats, Colts, KC again, etc etc. Kaep may be able to outrun the failure of O'Brien's "scheme".
 
dalemurphy said:
Right... but there is plenty of room on the cap this year. The problem with most big contracts, particularly when the player is a gamble, is being stuck with a big contract in future years because of potential dead money if the team decided to cut...

I am not advocating Kaepernick, but I am just highlighting some of the things appealing about a potential deal for him.
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The best way to go broke without improving the team is to gamble just because you have Cap Space. You have money to spend WISELY if you wish to improve the team. But high risk gambling shouldn't be an option.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kaepernick injured the thumb on his throwing hand on Oct 22. Just a week later, he injured his knee and subsequently got benched. His knee never showed up on the Injury Report for his knee. On Nov 24, he mysteriously underwent major shoulder surgery on his nonthrowing arm. His operating surgeon reported that the surgery was for an "extensive" labrum tear.......~a 6 month recovery. Despite this, his shoulder also never showed up on any Injury Report. Then on Dec 30, he underwent repair of his torn thumb ligament (~a 3 month recovery) and an arthroscopic left knee surgery to excise loose cartilage fragments (~a 2 month recovery) for an injury that included a bone bruise injury. Then the revelation at the time of the arthroscopic surgery, that he has played his entire NFL career with an undisclosed titanium rod in his left leg (surgery for a major stress fracture of his tibia prior to his rookie season, with recovery during the NFL lockout).........the injury being associated with some knee cartilage damage. It took a full year for the leg to completely heal and that he has had ongoing problems with it and the knee joint, which led to the recent knee surgery. To be complete, in 2013, Kaepernick tore a joint capsule in the ball of his foot and played with a very small bone fracture chip in his foot. Both healed with rest with neither requiring offseason surgery.
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So you're saying the Niners make the Texans look like a totally honest and transparent organization wrt reporting of injuries?
 
thunderkyss said:
I wouldn't touch Harbaugh with a 10' pole.

Kaepernick takes the #3 defense to the Super Bowl, Hoyer gets the #3 defense laughed at & you don't see a difference.

:ok:
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Oh I see a huge difference. I saw a SF team that had 2 pro bowlers on the OL, a pro bowl TE, and an elite RB still in the back end of his prime. And they were supported by a defense that had 6 pro bowlers. That's over half the starting unit.

Those teams had a legitimate argument as only being a QB away from winning it all and didn't get it done.

Oh, and the year before Kap played Alex Smith took them to the conference championship game, where they lost in OT in a game where their PR fumbled three times and handed the Giants 10 of their 20 points. But you know, Kap did all that. He's the greatest.

Go back and look at those SF teams and tell me where you think the difference lies. It sure as he'll isn't the gap between Kap and Hoyer.
 
We are "living in our mother's basement" level of QB, and we sure are damn picky about who we want to replace Hoyer.

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bah007 said:
2012 SF:
#2 defense in the NFL
1200 yard rusher
9 pro bowlers
Kap - 62%, 10/3 TD to INT, 98 Rating

2013 SF:
#3 defense in the NFL
1100 yard rusher
9 pro bowlers
Kap - 58%, 21/8, 91

2015 HOU:
#3 defense in the NFL
600 yard rusher
2 pro bowlers
Hoyer - 60%, 19/7, 91


Trust me, this is not a Hoyer endorsement. Quite the opposite.

I bet every single one of you Kap lovers would trade OB for Harbaugh straight up. Who wouldn't based on results? But it's funny to me that I continuously see how Kap "led" his team to where they got. But Hoyer (obviously, IMO) was just the sh*t QB that was carried by his team.

The truth is that SF's defense won those games while Kap was protected by Harbaugh and handed off to Gore. As soon as the defense dropped from elite to just very good they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs. And as soon as Harbaugh left they fell to 5-11.

But nah, Kap led that team to the Super Bowl.
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The only thing these stats prove is that we need to draft a running back in the first round.
 
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sandman said:
We are "living in our mother's basement" level of QB, and we sure are damn picky about who we want to replace Hoyer.

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Damn right. Not being picky is how you end up with Hoyer in the first place.

I am not keen on having a similar experiment with Kap just because his flaws are of a different variety.
 
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