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Texans interested in Trading FOR Kaepernick

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According to Ian Rapoport, now being reported on the NFL Combine, the Texans are interested in trading with San Franciso 49ers for QB, Colin Kaepernick.
 
Texian said:
hhmmm, McClain and Rapoport both have a direct line to McNair and Smith. I doubt Rapoport would be reporting this if he hadn't talked directly to a Texans executive.

The news out of SF is Kap wants a trade and the Texans are interested.
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I'm not so sure about the direct line... they have both missed numerous times when predicting what Texans will do
 
Why do they want to trade for someone again? This is the retread QB all over again, COME ON MMAANN....
 
ChampionTexan said:
A. I hope they are not interested
B. I hope if they are in fact interested, they would require a significant reduction in Kaepernick's contract prior to any actual trade.
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I think they might have inquired, just doing due diligence, but hopefully with no true interest in acquiring him
 
JB said:
I think they might have inquired, just doing due diligence, but hopefully with no true interest in acquiring him
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It's a good sign, IMO. This year's QB market is uncharacteristically large. We want the Texans explorer trade, free agent, and draft possibilities. They are likely to turn over there entire QB roster. I would expect to see 3 new QBs legitimately vying for a place on the roster. I don't believe they would trade for Kaepernick and then assume the position is solved.

Regarding Kaepernick specifically: I have never been a fan of QBs who struggle as pocket passers. However, this current Texans team could benefit from a big-armed QB who his a dynamic runner that can open up the running game with zone reads and bootlegs. He could, at least in the short term, be exactly what is needed to complement a very good defense for a championship run.
 
dalemurphy said:
It's a good sign, IMO. This year's QB market is uncharacteristically large. We want the Texans explorer trade, free agent, and draft possibilities. They are likely to turn over there entire QB roster. I would expect to see 3 new QBs legitimately vying for a place on the roster. I don't believe they would trade for Kaepernick and then assume the position is solved.

Regarding Kaepernick specifically: I have never been a fan of QBs who struggle as pocket passers. However, this current Texans team could benefit from a big-armed QB who his a dynamic runner that can open up the running game with zone reads and bootlegs. He could, at least in the short term, be exactly what is needed to complement a very good defense for a championship run.
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Has OB run ANY zone reads or bootlegs since he's been HC? I don't recall any. Why would he switch all of a sudden?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Let me point out this is the Browns........yes the perennially "smart" Browns........which are competing with the Texans to keep up with their string of revolving door QBs........I believe that if we trade for Kaepernick, the Texans will accomplish bringing themselves to closer resembling the Browns than ever.:toropalm:
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While I hope it doesn't happen - as I have already stated (and FWIW, I believe it won't), it's more than a little bit hypocritical for anyone who's beating on the drum of "We need explore every available option to fix the QB situation" (and I'm not saying that's you Doc) to then criticize the Texans for a third party report saying they've shown interest. Then there's the group who will chime in after every single trade that's made for a 4th round draft pick or lower saying "They gave away that guy for next to nothing, and we didn't even talk to them".

I feel this is highly unlikely to happen - particularly in any form that doesn't include Kaepernick significantly reducing a new team's financial risk, and agreeing at best to compete for the starting position. Even then, I think it's highly likely that NFL teams (Texans and Browns included) do nothing unless and until Kapernick is let go prior to the 2016 base salary guarantee kicking in on April 1.
 
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Maybe there looking for a vet qb let's face it if u been in the NFL for 4 years your a vet

Maybe they do wanna turn over there entire qb position

Meaning bye bye hoyer weeden Yates and bj

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He has basically a cap friendly deal. If you're to believe a guy that has gone to 2 nfc championship games and a sb beforebthe age of 27 is washed and a retread, then so be it. Again, Bill Walsh traded 2 2nd rd picks for a guy in Steve Young who was a train wreck in Tampa. Chances are that 3rd rd pick wont be as good as Kaepernick. On the other hand, you have to weigh his fixability vs the field of free agents and draftable players.
 
leebigeztx said:
He has basically a cap friendly deal. If you're to believe a guy that has gone to 2 nfc championship games and a sb beforebthe age of 27 is washed and a retread, then so be it. Again, Bill Walsh traded 2 2nd rd picks for a guy in Steve Young who was a train wreck in Tampa. Chances are that 3rd rd pick wont be as good as Kaepernick. On the other hand, you have to weigh his fixability vs the field of free agents and draftable players.
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He has a cap friendly deal if you know you're bringing him in to start, but 2 NFC Championships and a Super Bowl before the age of 27 or not, this is also the guy who lost his starting job last season to Blaine Gabbert (and was under a pretty fair amount of criticism the season before when Harbaugh was still there).

I refuse to believe that any team in the NFL is going to do more than give him a chance to compete for the starting job, and when that's the case, you're not going to find anybody to guarantee (as of April 1st) the $11.9 million base salary of a potential backup.
 
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JB said:
Has OB run ANY zone reads or bootlegs since he's been HC? I don't recall any. Why would he switch all of a sudden?
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Really? We had the QB who only ran the zone read (nearly)...along with multiple other players who ran from the shot gun (kaepernick style plays) including JJ Watt...It is in the playbook already even the overall effect was not that good.
 
leebigeztx said:
He has basically a cap friendly deal. If you're to believe a guy that has gone to 2 nfc championship games and a sb beforebthe age of 27 is washed and a retread, then so be it. Again, Bill Walsh traded 2 2nd rd picks for a guy in Steve Young who was a train wreck in Tampa. Chances are that 3rd rd pick wont be as good as Kaepernick. On the other hand, you have to weigh his fixability vs the field of free agents and draftable players.
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What 3rd rd pick? Did I miss something?
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Really? We had the QB who only ran the zone read (nearly)...along with multiple other players who ran from the shot gun (kaepernick style plays) including JJ Watt...It is in the playbook already even the overall effect was not that good.
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Really? Under O'Brien? Who and when
 
JB said:
Has OB run ANY zone reads or bootlegs since he's been HC? I don't recall any. Why would he switch all of a sudden?
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Switching from Hoyer/Mallett/Weedon to Kaepernick is the reason. Unless I am very wrong about O'Brien's football intelligence, he would not put Kaepernick on the field and not take advantage of his strengths.
 
leebigeztx said:
He has basically a cap friendly deal. If you're to believe a guy that has gone to 2 nfc championship games and a sb beforebthe age of 27 is washed and a retread, then so be it. Again, Bill Walsh traded 2 2nd rd picks for a guy in Steve Young who was a train wreck in Tampa. Chances are that 3rd rd pick wont be as good as Kaepernick. On the other hand, you have to weigh his fixability vs the field of free agents and draftable players.
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Consider this, also: since San Fran would be responsible for all the bonus money on their cap, not only is the cap number somewhat smaller for the Texans but they could cut Kaepernick at any point without any cap consequences (since there is no bonus money to accelerate)
 
dalemurphy said:
Consider this, also: since San Fran would be responsible for all the bonus money on their cap, not only is the cap number somewhat smaller for the Texans but they could cut Kaepernick at any point without any cap consequences (since there is no bonus money to accelerate)
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The base is still 12M ...
 
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JB said:
Out of the gimmicky wildcat offense? Without a true passing threat on the field? Not even a Hoyer?
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The zone-read play is the same not matter who is getting the snap...you asked have we ever ran it and there are four names listed. the concept is in the offense already, not ran as a true "surprise" nor really that effectively.
 
ChampionTexan said:
...Guaranteed as of April first.
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Right... but there is plenty of room on the cap this year. The problem with most big contracts, particularly when the player is a gamble, is being stuck with a big contract in future years because of potential dead money if the team decided to cut...

I am not advocating Kaepernick, but I am just highlighting some of the things appealing about a potential deal for him.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The zone-read play is the same not matter who is getting the snap...you asked have we ever ran it and there are four names listed. the concept is in the offense already, not ran as a true "surprise" nor really that effectively.
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It makes a big difference if the defense knows you're not gonna pass it... and I consider the wildcat to be more of a trial than part of the base offense
 
dalemurphy said:
Right... but there is plenty of room on the cap this year. The problem with most big contracts, particularly when the player is a gamble, is being stuck with a big contract in future years because of potential dead money if the team decided to cut...

I am not advocating Kaepernick, but I am just highlighting some of the things appealing about a potential deal for him.
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Well, that was mainly a response to:
dalemurphy said:
not only is the cap number somewhat smaller for the Texans but they could cut Kaepernick at any point without any cap consequences (since there is no bonus money to accelerate)
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But it also recognizes the fact that unless you essentially guarantee Kaepernick the starting job (a concept which I hate), you're then putting yourself at risk of paying your backup QB $12 Million. I don't care what the cap situation is, you don't put yourself in a position to pay your backup QB that kind of money.

The chances of Kaepernick coming to Houston under any circumstances are very low. The chances of Kaepernick coming to Houston under his current contract are zero.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
Well, that was mainly a response to:

But it also recognizes the fact that unless you essentially guarantee Kaepernick the starting job (a concept which I hate), you're then putting yourself at risk of paying your backup QB $12 Million. I don't care what the cap situation is, you don't put yourself in a position to pay your backup QB that kind of money.

The chances of Kaepernick coming to Houston under any circumstances are very low. The chances of Kaepernick coming to Houston under his current contract are zero.
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The scenario would be similar to the Seattle's a few years ago: the Texans trade for Kaepernick before the draft (still looking at making a move in the draft for a QB- but not forced to do so in the 1st round), and then he competes with the draft pick (and possibly Savage). Seattle did this with Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson... I think Flynn's deal was 3 years and $25-$30 million. When factoring in $0 guaranteed dollars for Kaepernick, I think it is a fair comparison. The bigger question is whether guys like Bradford, Cousins, Osweiler hit the market, and, how motivated the 49ers are to move Kaepernick. Because, unless the Texans make a strong move to trade into the top 3 spots in the draft, I believe they will aggressively upgrade at QB prior to the draft, either in free agency or via trade.
 
JB said:
It makes a big difference if the defense knows you're not gonna pass it... and I consider the wildcat to be more of a trial than part of the base offense
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OB has done a lot of different things on offense. Rotations qb's, running zone read, wild cat, JJ at TE, JJ taking the snap directly, Wilfork at FB, tackles at TE, Shorts throwing a TD pass to Alfred Blue

Why wouldn't he run some some read? He's don't almost everything else?
 
JB said:
It makes a big difference if the defense knows you're not gonna pass it... and I consider the wildcat to be more of a trial than part of the base offense
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the point (I think at least) is that the basic action of the play is already in existence in the offense, so I can safely assume that plays suited for an actual QB either already are a part of the playbook and/or an NFL head coach/OC could easily add them to basic concept already in use.
 
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ArlingtonTexan said:
the point (I think at least) is that the basic action of the play is already in existence in the offense, so I can safely assume that plays suited for an actual QB either already are a part of the playbook and/or an NFL head coach/OC could easily add them to basic concept already in use.
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ok, I can see that point. I just can't imagine OB going to a predominate zone read like Kaepernick excelled in his first couple years
 
JB said:
Out of the gimmicky wildcat offense? Without a true passing threat on the field? Not even a Hoyer?
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If the trade occurs, I think it tells you much more about what OB is willing to do then his two year history with the Texans. Trading for Kaepernick tells you he's trading for a player who's experienced more success with his legs than with his arm. His two year history with the Texans tells you he was unwilling to let Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallett, Tom Savage, Case Keenum, Brian Hoyer, T.J. Yates, or Brandon Weeden run the zone read. A lengthy list to be sure, but not one that gives you much insight into his willingness to utilize the zone read.
 
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dalemurphy said:
The scenario would be similar to the Seattle's a few years ago: the Texans trade for Kaepernick before the draft (still looking at making a move in the draft for a QB- but not forced to do so in the 1st round), and then he competes with the draft pick (and possibly Savage). Seattle did this with Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson... I think Flynn's deal was 3 years and $25-$30 million. When factoring in $0 guaranteed dollars for Kaepernick, I think it is a fair comparison. The bigger question is whether guys like Bradford, Cousins, Osweiler hit the market, and, how motivated the 49ers are to move Kaepernick. Because, unless the Texans make a strong move to trade into the top 3 spots in the draft, I believe they will aggressively upgrade at QB prior to the draft, either in free agency or via trade.
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I'm not a big kaep fan, but I agree with you on this kind of.

What I don't want for the Texans to do is pick up a guy like Kaep, and then draft Hack in the 4th round and then have a Kaep, hoyer, savage competition with hack as the new project/heir apparent.
 
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I hope we get Kaepernick. I'm a fan. If properly motivated, I'm sure O'b can get this dude with this team to the Super Bowl. Maybe even this year. If not for O'b screwing up the QB decision the last two years I'd be less inclined to think he'll make the best of it. But now... now I think he'll maximize Kaep's abilities & get us tp a Super Bowl.

I also belie we are highly interested as there were rumors last year that we inquired about Kaep's availability last season. I'm not opposed to using 22 to get him on his current contract.


xtruroyaltyx said:
I'm not a big kaep fan, but I agree with you on this kind of.

What I don't want for the Texans to do is pick up a guy like Kaep, and then draft Hack in the 4th round and then have a Kaep, hoyer, savage competition with hack as the new project/heir apparent.
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Hoyer would be out. His $4.5M will offset Kaepernick's $11.5, so we'll pretty much paying $6M for Kaepernick in lieu of Hoyer. Smith might even be able to get us a 6th for Hoyer.

We'll most likely take Hackenberg... maybe even with our 2nd, so we'll be spending a first & a second on QB in this offseason. People won't be able to say we haven't "seriously" invested in the position anymore.

I understand most would be opposed to Kaepernick, but not too many would be upset with trading our first & 2nd to move up for one unproven prospect. I think a first for Kaep & a 2nd for Hack, with Savage still on the roster is the most efficient use of our resources & it also gives us a much better shot at success, addressing the short term as well as the long term.

Would I rather get Stafford or Rivers? Matt Ryan? Hell yeah... are any of them available?

Let Kaepernick play the way Kaepernick plays, develop Savage & Hackenberg into pocket passers... I don't feel like we'd waste one more second of Jj Watt's career.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
A first round pick for Kaep? Oh no.
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Agreed. You can't take on a reclamation project with that size of a contract and lose your 1st round pick in doing so. In that case, it would be better to spend next year's 1st, and this year's 2nd, plus anything else it may take to move into the top few spots and get Goff/Wentz (whomever you love)- pay that pick less than 1/2 of Kapernick's salary for the next 5 years and be more aggressive in free agency with the dollars saved and draft picks lost.

At most, the Texans should trade a 3rd round pick for Kaepernick (I wouldn't pay that much unless some at least two of: Bradford, Osweiler, Cousins are re-signed before free agency begins). I think San Fran is likely to cut Kaepernick if they can't trade him.
 
Hell yeah. I mean if they'll take a conditional 7th in the 2017 draft, that's where I'll start. But I'll go as high as this year's first next year's 3rd & 4th

Heck, I'll throw in Hoyer too. Just get'r done Rick.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hell yeah. I mean if they'll take a conditional 7th in the 2017 draft, that's where I'll start. But I'll go as high as this year's first next year's 3rd & 4th

Heck, I'll throw in Hoyer too. Just get'r done Rick.
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I think Kaepernick would be better than Hoyer, but I sure hope we don't trade for him
 
The situation this off-season at QB reminds me a great deal of the 2006 NFL off-season... Fortunately, it appears the Texans organization is much more determined to make significant changes at QB instead of continuing down a failing path.

2006 Qbs of note:

Trade- Dante Culpepper to Miami for 2nd round pick (1 year removed from MVP season), Schaub rumors began
Free Agents- Drew Brees to New Orleans, Kurt Warner/Arizona,
other noteworthy names (at the time): Jon Kitna, Garcia, + restricted FA Chris Simms
1st round picks: Vince Young, Leinart, Cutler

It is rare that there are so many available QBs with some appeal. If you look at the list above, clearly some of those decisions worked out incredibly well and others were a disaster. It's going to be interesting!
 
dalemurphy said:
Consider this, also: since San Fran would be responsible for all the bonus money on their cap, not only is the cap number somewhat smaller for the Texans but they could cut Kaepernick at any point without any cap consequences (since there is no bonus money to accelerate)
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Which is my point. He signed a very,very cap friendly deal with the idea the team was going to be kept together. The only reason why its a feasible contract for a team is because it basically a 1 yr deal after every season at 12m. So say you give a 3rd that can be a 2nd if he meet snap requirements. Basically 85% of snaps, its a 2nd. If Colin gets 85% of the snaps, he must be playing effective ball for the Texans. Qb scenery change for a talent can be good. If it doesnt work and he's unfixable, you cut him. He responded well to Harbaugh despite the craziness going on between jim and the gm.
 
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