bigbrewster2000
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Good god, isn't there a way to temporarily ban him so he can calm down for a sec? Goddamn.
Can you please not use that kind of language. It is not necesary.
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Good god, isn't there a way to temporarily ban him so he can calm down for a sec? Goddamn.
Can you please not use that kind of language. It is not necesary.
We did get him on the cheap, that's for sure. As long as he's thought of as backup and debth for the RB position, and we are still going after our franchise back in the draft and NOT expecting our franchise back to be ANYONE currently with a contract, I guess I'm OK with it. Lots of ifs there, but that's how I feel about it.
I don't see where any one of the backs we have under contract right now should be considered our future. Not a single one of them. Not even Dayne, whom I'm going to miss quite frankly.
It's @ redund@nt pick. Morency with more injuries due to his very upright running style. So now we seem to be collecting them ? there is no purpose to this st@ffs collection of t@llent...they continue to me@nder into helter skelter. The hump ye@r....will there be ye@r six ?
The "boys" first boo-boo.
Ronnie just got the c@ll from the turk.
Looks more @nd more like there will not be @ Rb with the first three picks...something I predicted three months @go btw... s@y hello to Corey Boyd or someone simul@r. . if @t @ll.
It's @ redund@nt pick. Morency with more injuries due to his very upright running style. So now we seem to be collecting them ? there is no purpose to this st@ffs collection of t@llent...they continue to me@nder into helter skelter. The hump ye@r....will there be ye@r six ?
The "boys" first boo-boo.
Ronnie just got the c@ll from the turk.
Looks more @nd more like there will not be @ Rb with the first three picks...something I predicted three months @go btw... s@y hello to Corey Boyd or someone simul@r. . if @t @ll.
Good god, isn't there a way to temporarily ban him so he can calm down for a sec? Goddamn.
IIRC, Eddie George ran kind of upright, didn't he? He was a big dude though. I met him a looong time ago and the dude's built like a brick shithouse. :elle:
Eddie George eventually broke down, but he had some very good years. Brown doesn't have nearly as many miles on his tires.
I see Brown more as a 2 x 4 with a quarter moon on the door shithouse.
I think its a good move, what?You gotta' be kidding me.
The free agent move we make is for a guy who can't wrestle the starting job from LenDale White?
I want to publicly state that I am ready to fist-fight anybody who thinks this is a good move. He's injury-prone and M.I.A. as much as Green was last year.
Forget the details of the contract. I wouldn't care if we'd spent $1 on him. To me, that's $1 that could have bought a burger for Dayne.
LOL. I hate this team. We are so retarded when it comes to running backs.
Why not just send that as a PM message?
It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
It's not often you get to mix in football and Hanson in the same post. Bravo, sir.
Eddie George eventually broke down, but he had some very good years. Brown doesn't have nearly as many miles on his tires.
I see Brown more as a 2 x 4 with a quarter moon on the door shithouse.
i've either ignored or skimmed most of the posts so forgive me if i missed something relevent, but dang yall are worked up over a backup working a near minimum salary. this has been a less than eventful offseason obviously but put that effort into our biggest free agent, coach gibbs, and what he can do with the current roster and what it's going to do to impact our scheme and draft and future season.
chris brown is a solid player who's injury prone. when healthy he's been successful and coming from a division rival who we play twice a season is worth signing. brown fits what kubiak/gibbs/shanahan are building and at very least can compete in camp for a starter or backup role. he has zero bearing on the draft or other potential free agent signings. what brown is, is exactly how rick smith has been so successful thus far. low risk, high reward ... talents fit the the system ... costs next to nothing relatively ... and if nothing else boosts the talent level of the overall 53. since it's the current flavor it's comparative to the current rockets' success - TEAM talent instead of individual talent. with brown our group talent is higher.
kubiak and smith have done a great job of building this team in two ways ... schaub is one direction and brown is the other. in schaub the office researched their hearts out and threw the bank at one player. brown is at the other end of the spectrum and why we've gone from a 2-14 team to an 8-8 team under a rookie coach and office ... sign 300 players for pennies who fit the system and let the best man win. we've missed twice so far on big spending (weaver/green) simply because we were so far behind that reaches needed to be made, but these nickel potential signings are paying huge (walter, demps, kalu, leach, killings, andre davis, cochran, and many more).
brown's a nickel signing that cant hurt us, but is capable of helping us in a big way.
hell if nothing else ... if brown, green, and taylor can each play 5 or more games before their inevitable injury, we're in good shape.
nice post scoots.
some of us do have issues with the signing, "you can't please everyone" I guess.
1. Chris Brown was a Titan. drafted by & developed by Tennessee.
Fisher left him unprotected for a reason, whether he didn't fit the offense, couldn't stay healthy, whatever seems like another teams discards.
2. Championship pedigree.
What has he done or proven over the course of his career to indicate he will lead his team to a championship? I posted much earlier on in this thread the 2003 Fiesta Bowl & what has he done in Nashville?
3. Character issues.
Chris may be prone to making bone-headed deceisions (started off @ Fort Scott Kan. Junior College, then transferred to Northwestern & redshirted before Colorado, why?) might be physically gifted but is that any guarentee his talent is a blessing for the Texans? not to mention this signing is going to dislodge Darius Walker off the active roster, who has worked his tail off, back to the practice squad.
4. Injury concerns.
Concussion, back, ankle, toe, shoulder & hammy are all applicable injurys sustained over the past 5 years. Is it his running style, body type, what?
5. Texans won't use a high draft pick on an elite RB
Forgive me for wanting a franchise RB ala Adrian Peterson. RB by committee seems like the buzz word for Gibbs style. so now we have locked & loaded Ahman Green & Chris Brown, if Chris Taylor can bounce back thats a bonus.
Came across this video of Brown from his Colorado days.............Observe his running style.........it hasn't really changed.
follow the linemen, not the hole (zbs preaching) ...
Just saw this after getting back from vacation. I think it is a good pickup. We could use a running back and he can use a new situation. He was a mean runner in college. He was a good back in the first couple of years of his pro career but injuries caught him. Wasn't he the guy Simmons laid out? Dislocated his shoulder I think.
Rick Smith is smart to take a chance on Brown, maybe he has a good year with the opportunities he will get with the Texans.
arguing each individually makes more fun, but i'll reiterate what i've said ... every concern about brown can be squashed with one word - price. brown signed for butt nothing and if he boselli's on us we're not losing much at all. minimal loss, we lose the opportunity to sign a couple of college walkons. on the flipside if brown manages to do what he's done when healthy he can not only fit the system, but thrive in it. minimum risk, big reward. i keep going back to it, but this is our 06 defensive tackle push when we had so many injuries ... this is a spot we need filled. sign every minimum possible and see what sticks.
Or what about Alexander from Seatle?
I think its a good move, what?
GP, I think you should step back for a few days, stretch the legs a bit. I am sure if you talk to Herv he can recommend a good place to chill for a while. You are starting to sound an awful lot like our resident troll Nighthawk, or worse, the infamous BoBo.
You are blasting everything the Texans do. If Rick Smith stopped to pick up a quarter you would probably start an entire thread about how Rick Smith is waisting time and thats why this team never signs any good players.
Chill, its only the offseason.
Advice taken.
I have pulled away from the dark side, and the force is now balanced again. I am burying the hatchet on the QB and RB situations. It's going to be a whole new GP--I am reformed and on the wagon. Sorry to everyone for being a titty baby for so long on those two issues.
I need to see the big picture, and not paint with a broad brush.
Thnx you GP that took guts to post. First post from an I-phone
i'd like to see this thread keep going. how does brown match up with our line? how does he compare with what gibbs wants?
I think the thing Im most worried about is the following depth chart:
Ahman Green - Coming off injury
Chris Brown - Coming off injury
Chris Taylor - Coming off injury
Ron Dayne - Slow with no power
We could easily see any or all those guys go down early in the season, and that means another year of musical RB
Added one for you.
To be truthful about it, i dont think its anything as a franchise back anymore. I think a team has to rrun the ball which gives you a physical identity, but the rules have been set up for explosive pass plays. I'm as old school as they come and i really love smash mouth football, but at the rate rb's go down, why spend a high pick or alot of money on them? When was the last time a high 1st rd tb made it to the sb on a team? i love to watch peterson,lt and the other dynamic backs, but how many rings do they have? Peterson showed alot as a rookie, but his back up was a 4th rd pick that ran for 1200 yds the yr before and avg 5 ypc when he was hurt. The colts lost a future hof in james and a 1600 yd back and replaced him with a late 1st rd pick and a cfl guy and won the bowl.
To me its about the running game in general. The 2 superbowl teams had great running games. Maroney, the injured smith, and faulk vs. Jacobs and bradshaw. maroney was a late 1st, morris 3rd rd as well as faulk and jacobs was a 4th and bradshaw a 7th. With the success gibbs and kubes have had with backs no higher than the 2nd on portis, why would they ever pick a back in the 1st? if anyone listens to gibbs long enough from his denver days he basically only like guys out of the traditional 2 back sets that he knows can do what he wants in a back. Also he doesnt like 1st rd lineman. he gets guys specific to what he wants to do . Gibbs will coach the backs and the line for the most part. Backs like Stewart and Mendenhall that run from that spread set are pretty much out of the question.
Back to brown. Brown is probably a gibbs pick. As a titans fan 1st and texans fan 2nd although i would say i'm 51/49 now, the only limitations to brown is health. We can say thats huge and it is to some extent, but he does exactly what gibbs wants. He presses the heels of the linemen, make the cut and comes downhill. He can break the long run and doesnt get arm tackled. The concept of getting 1800-2000 yds from the running game is what will help the texans become a force. Under Shannahan and Kubes as the oc, denver was a 55/45 run pass team and avg 25ppg. They would avg 550 runs a yr which used to be 2nd only to pitts and dallas in the 90's. I expect the same here. Brown will get 225 carries, green if healthy will get 175 and 30 catches and taylor/walker will get the other 150 carries. That means brown will be at about 950-970 yds, Green at 700 yds,and the other 2 at 500 yds. to do this though, the defense has to be good enough to keep you in the run game mode or the team has to be ahead. If the defense isnt good enough and teams get a big lead early, the the carries will be down and pass attempts up.
If guy want to go and get this "franchise back" and the defense isnt good enough, the guy will be on the sideline with his helment chillin because the other team will be running the ball down their throats.