Texans inquire in Brock Osweiler

[MasterCush]

Manziel is going to get creamed. I like Bridgewater but don't think he's worth passing on the freak of nature that is Clowney. I'd love the Texans to pull a rabbit out of a hat and grab Osweiler that way we can get Clowney. Keep Keenum at #2 and get another #3.

Here's O'Brien drooling at Clowney at the combine:

That's the face of a man who has pick of the litter and likes what he sees.

 

[Marshall]

Denver would want a 1st

He was a reach at second. He's not replacing Payton any time soon (just passed his neck exam) and he's about to get expensive. I see no reason to anticipate a first round pick in exchange. I suspect he would cost no more than our 3-1 in a deep draft.

 

[Marshall]

Top to bottom (other than not having seen Fales enough to judge) just about nailed my thoughts. ... I would add in a Manziel scares me.

Forget logic. Do you really want a QB named Fails (eh! Fales).

 

[PapaL]

Putting the top 3 of the draft aside - next favorite options? Garafalo, Mallett, etc.

I didn't like what I saw of Glennon last season. Looked like a placeholder IMO.

Is Garafalo really Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois QB, or am I missing someone? Wouldn't be the first time.

Best part about Garoppolo, when/if he plays bad we can say he's playing like Crapola. Just saying...saves us some time.

 

[Scooter]

I understand that. He doesn't fit into any mold that has been successful in the NFL. Yet. Manziel just mesmerizes me. I guess in a way that Vince Young did to many back in 2006 (not me, though). Someone said recently that Manziel will get someone fired. Either for drafting him or passing on him.

i've said it often that manziel is vince young. a super exciting college player that is 90% athlete and 10% quarterback, with not much between the ears. both have huge maturity and entitlement issues that did (and will) get exposed when everyone on the field runs a 4.6 and works 8 days a week on their job. is manziel that much more elusive than keenum that a spin move running away from the line wont end up in a 15 yard sack against the pros? IMO the blueprint is already available. so is carr's, which we're also familiar with. family first and second, and somewhere around 5th comes football. i'll tack on clowney "i'll save myself for the paycheck" to this rant on players without the mental/emotional requirements.

i'm going to go a bit left field compared to most, but i want a quarterback with something to prove and the grey matter to make it possible. give me keenum, mccarron, logan thomas, and even matt schaub as a backup if we can afford to keep him. wildly varying skill sets and development needed, but an absolute excess of putting in the work and fighting to be the best.

edit: to stay on topic, i dont see osweiler in either category. i just dont see enough talent from him to have the discussion.

 

[infantrycak]

Is Garafalo really Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois QB, or am I missing someone?

Cut me some slack. Cranial flatulence late at night.

 

[brg88tx]

I'd be good with giving our #33 for osweiler.....much better than anyone we could draft in the second round this year imo.

 

[_King_]

If we are going to trade for a QB I'd trade for Mallet.

Osweiler would be second choice.

Other than those two, no thanks.

Would not touch Manziel, would rather have Carr. Would be ok with, not in love with picking bortles, but again, would rather have Carr.

#1 choice for me is Bridgewater. #2 choice is trade for Mallet. #3 is trade up/or trade down and pick Carr.

Trading for Osweiler is somewhere down in the unknown for me like Garapolo or Savage or one of those projected 2nd-4th or beyond guys.

 

[infantrycak]

Would not touch Manziel, would rather have Carr. Would be ok with, not in love with picking bortles, but again, would rather have Carr.

#1 choice for me is Bridgewater. #2 choice is trade for Mallet. #3 is trade up/or trade down and pick Carr.

I think Lucky is correct, while Carr should be in consideration he essentially can't be. Neither he nor Schaub will ever receive anything close to a fair day in Houston. I mean I guess if either one started next year and the team went 19-0 they might get a fair shake after that, but anything else and boos and ice will fly.

From what I have seen I like Mallett more than Osweiller as well.

 

[otisbean]

I think Lucky is correct, while Carr should be in consideration he essentially can't be. Neither he nor Schaub will ever receive anything close to a fair day in Houston. I mean I guess if either one started next year and the team went 19-0 they might get a fair shake after that, but anything else and boos and ice will fly.

From what I have seen I like Mallett more than Osweiller as well.

I agree with your thoughts on Carr, and I think it's unfortunate that most fans think this way. Just because player A failed it doesn't mean player B will fail as well, regardless if they share the same last name.

 

[steelbtexan]

I agree with your thoughts on Carr, and I think it's unfortunate that most fans think this way. Just because player A failed it doesn't mean player B will fail as well, regardless if they share the same last name.

Don't want another Carr, If I never hear Roger Carr's name again life will be better. It's not about sharing the same last name. It's about having the same value systems. Which may make for a great person, but not a professional QB.

If you want to compete with the Mannings/Bady/Rodgers/Bress of the world unfortunately football has to come 1st. Which is why although I don't like any of the top 3 QB's they all appear to have the type work ethic to succeed on various levels.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I agree with your thoughts on Carr, and I think it's unfortunate that most fans think this way. Just because player A failed it doesn't mean player B will fail as well, regardless if they share the same last name.

The problem here is that with Derrick as was the case with David, the family circus known as his father, is likely to resurface and play a role in every facet of Carr's life both personal and professional.

 

[thunderkyss]

I agree with your thoughts on Carr, and I think it's unfortunate that most fans think this way. Just because player A failed it doesn't mean player B will fail as well, regardless if they share the same last name.

He's too raw if you ask me. Had he got out of his brother's shadow, just a little bit...... went to Cal, USC, Washington.... or even SEC & put up good numbers, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But so far, everything looks like he's just like his brother.

I don't have anything against David Carr, his failure in Houston was more on the people who brought him here, than not. But his "failure" everywhere else... talented SOB, could have & should have been a lot more.

If we get Greg Robinson in the first, I wouldn't have an issue with grabbing Derek Carr in the second, or trading up to get him late in the first.

Whoever we take, we've got to a lot more than we have in the past to help him be successful.

 

[thunderkyss]

The problem here is that with Derrick as was the case with David, the family circus known as his father, is likely to resurface and play a role in every facet of Carr's life both personal and professional.

That's up to OB & McNair.

 

[bah007]

Liked Osweiler coming out of college more than most people. And sitting behind Peyton is not a bad spot to be in. Hopefully he's soaking it up.

I like him a lot more than Mallett.

I've never bought into the "he's bound to learn, sitting behind the superstar" theory. But maybe you are right and he will turn out to be awesome like Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter.

Not sure reading comprehension is your strong suit...

Never said he was bound to learn anything or that he would be awesome because of it. Only said that I liked him coming out of college and that if you have to sit behind someone, it might not hurt that it's Peyton Manning.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

That's up to OB & McNair.

No doubt. Just saying that this will be one of the things OB and McNair will be factoring in when making their decision.

 

[IDEXAN]

Manziel is going to get creamed. I like Bridgewater but don't think he's worth passing on the freak of nature that is Clowney. I'd love the Texans to pull a rabbit out of a hat and grab Osweiler that way we can get Clowney. Keep Keenum at #2 and get another #3.

Here's O'Brien drooling at Clowney at the combine:

That's the face of a man who has pick of the litter and likes what he sees.

Right, but who's that sitting next to him ? I watched a lot of the Combine on the NFL Network, and these guys were seen on the tube sitting together on several occasions. The mystery man clearly has the Texans' HCs ear.

 

[DX-TEX]

Right, but who's that sitting next to him ? I watched a lot of the Combine on the NFL Network, and these guys were seen on the tube sitting together on several occasions. The mystery man clearly has the Texans' HCs ear.

A clean shaven Vrabel?

Would make sense.

 

[_King_]

Trade for a guy like Osweiler or Mallet and then pick up a guy like Savage late in the draft or as an UDFA.

Some young, cheap guys at QB, with one having some back up experience behind either Manning or Brady. Pick another young guy in the draft that you see some good qualities in and let him compete for the back-up spot with Keenum, Yates and or a vet FA.

So a hypothetical QB stable going into pre-season would look like:

Mallet/Osweiler
Keenum
Yates and or Cassel
Savage

Either draft Clowney #1 overall or trade down for a King's Ransom.


I think it's possible OB may want that super talented player for his defense. Have him and JJ and give offenses something to really worry about...If Clowney lives up to the hype, potentially having one of the most dominant defensive fronts ever assembled.

If OB does not see that kind of talent at the QB position and he feels there's a shot he could get the kind of (or better) production from a guy like Mallet/Osweiler as a guy in this draft then I could absolutely see him leaning that way.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Right, but who's that sitting next to him ? I watched a lot of the Combine on the NFL Network, and these guys were seen on the tube sitting together on several occasions. The mystery man clearly has the Texans' HCs ear.

DB coach John Butler

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

DB coach John Butler

Doesn't appear to be Butler........his ears are too low.

 

[steelbtexan]

Probably Godsey,

I've never seen a picture of Godsey though.

 

[PapaL]

Probably Godsey,

I've never seen a picture of Godsey though.

That was my guess tooo but nope.

Godsey:

 

[irishtexanfan]

I think its Patriots director of pro personnel Nick Caserio with BOB

 

[Playoffs]

I think its Patriots director of pro personnel Nick Caserio with BOB

Bingo.

Discussing a Schaub for Brady trade, Sonic Sam thrown in as a sweetener.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I think its Patriots director of pro personnel Nick Caserio with BOB

That's exactly who he is. Same hairline, same thin upper lip, same ear level, small ears, same point at the top of ear helix, same brow configuration, same cheek and jawline structure.

 

[Texan_Bill]

OT, but look at where Peyton holds the ball. To me, that's where it's supposed to be. For every "bit" lower, I take a point away in my grading system.

I never played QB but whenever I throw a ball with the neighborhood kids and simulate a 3, 5 or 7 step drop back, I have the ball up around my shoulder level.. I think they call that "fundamental"

 

[irishtexanfan]

Bingo.

Discussing a Schaub for Brady trade, Sonic Sam thrown in as a sweetener.

Hardly a fair trade. They should throw in Gronk too just to even it up

 

[Playoffs]

That's exactly who he is. Same hairline, same thin upper lip, same ear level, small ears, same point at the top of ear helix, same brow configuration, same cheek and jawline structure.

Might be son of Spock... look at them pointy helixes.

 

[thunderkyss]

I never played QB but whenever I throw a ball with the neighborhood kids and simulate a 3, 5 or 7 step drop back, I have the ball up around my shoulder level.. I think they call that "fundamental"

Don't count.


You throw like a girl.

 

[ObsiWan]

Don't count.


You throw like a girl.

What's yer point?



I suppose she's not holding the ball properly either...

 

[The Pencil Neck]

What's yer point?



I suppose she's not holding the ball properly either...

Ball?

 

[steelbtexan]

I think its Patriots director of pro personnel Nick Caserio with BOB

Dis cussing a 2nd and a 2015 4th for Mallett. I wouldn't give more than a 2015 3rd for Mallett and maybe a conditional 2015 pick depending on how Mallett plays.

 

[Nitrofish]

Cut me some slack. Cranial flatulence late at night.

We understand Cak... Late night fantasies about Janeane Garofalo while posting on TT can do that to ya. It's just Parapraxis bro.

 

[thunderkyss]

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dcyWb

At 6'8" - 240lbs, he a big dude.

Does anyone remember this? I was searching for the "we signed Osweiler" thread & found this.

Rick's been looking at this kid for a while.

 

[thunderkyss]

No one else thinks this is worth talking about?

Rick Smith (maybe even Bill O'Brien) was interested in Brock back in 2014.

 

[76Texan]

No one else thinks this is worth talking about?

Rick Smith (maybe even Bill O'Brien) was interested in Brock back in 2014.

Sounds like "Mediocrity" all over again.

 

[badboy]

No one else thinks this is worth talking about?

Rick Smith (maybe even Bill O'Brien) was interested in Brock back in 2014.

I think it has been mentioned before but I ain't looking for it. It is more important on how he does going forward.

 

[thunderkyss]

I think it has been mentioned before but I ain't looking for it. It is more important on how he does going forward.

I'm thinking this more as a look into the front office. Hoyer was O'bs guy. Fitz was just a bridge to get us there. Osweiler is Rick's guy.

Mallet may have been as well, as I believe that was also rumored back then.

 

[badboy]

O'Brien looking anchored and Smith just extended so...can we ease up on front office at lease for a few regular season games.

 

[JPPT1974]

Yeah as really Texans did a good job taking care of 49ers. Though it was a preseason game.

 

[ROO]

No one else thinks this is worth talking about?

Don't despair. Reviving this thread got you a "Like" for a post you made almost 2.5 years ago.

 

[PapaL]

No one else thinks this is worth talking about?

Rick Smith (maybe even Bill O'Brien) was interested in Brock back in 2014.

Still stand by my statement that the FO was not sold on any of the "top" QBs in that draft class.

 

[DX-TEX]

Does anyone remember this? I was searching for the "we signed Osweiler" thread & found this.

Rick's been looking at this kid for a while.

But according to Elway Truthers the Broncos knew Brock was trash and wanted to move on

#BelieveInSemen