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Texans inquire in Brock Osweiler

This is Rick Smith telling Belichick we're not waiting on one particular QB. Same to Cassell's agent.
 
Don't know if there's much to this. It's Rick Smith's duty to explore every avenue when we are in the market for a QB. Doesn't mean we're not drafting one at 1.1.
 
Liked Osweiler coming out of college more than most people. And sitting behind Peyton is not a bad spot to be in. Hopefully he's soaking it up.

I like him a lot more than Mallett.
 
Big boy, OB could put him in the DC @ both QB & TE.
He's from Kalispell, Montana, i.e., "Big Sky" country and they've got some whopper Lake Trout in Flathead Lake near Kalispell.
 
I have to question why Elway would draft Osweiler #57 overall as Manning's heir just to trade him a couple years later. Even if the Texans were truly interested in obtaining him, I dont think Denver would do it for a 2nd.
 
Blake said:
I have to question why Elway would draft Osweiler #57 overall as Manning's heir just to trade him a couple years later. Even if the Texans were truly interested in obtaining him, I dont think Denver would do it for a 2nd.
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I dunno, maybe because the Texans' second round pick is the 33rd pick in the entire Draft which virtually makes it a late first round pick ?
 
bah007 said:
Liked Osweiler coming out of college more than most people. And sitting behind Peyton is not a bad spot to be in. Hopefully he's soaking it up.

I like him a lot more than Mallett.
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What do you think of Greg Knapp & Adam Gase?

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. – The Broncos filled the coaching position that became vacant with Adam Gase’s promotion to offensive coordinator by hiring Greg Knapp as the team’s quarterbacks coach.
“Greg is a proven, experienced coach with a very impressive background working with quarterbacks,” Head Coach John Fox said. “He’s had success with Pro Bowlers and established players while also being instrumental in the development of younger quarterbacks. I’ve coached against him for a number of years and have a lot of respect for him. We are pleased to add someone of his caliber to our coaching staff.”
Knapp, who will enter his 19th NFL season in 2013, has served as an offensive coordinator in 10 of the past 12 seasons.
He is familiar with the AFC West, as he returned to the Oakland Raiders as the team’s offensive coordinator for the 2012 season after coaching two seasons at the same position with the Raiders during the 2007-08 seasons.
Knapp’s Raiders offense ranked in the top 10 in in both passing yards per game (8th, 255.3) and fewest sacks allowed per pass attempt (6th, 4.3 pct.), while quarterback Carson Palmer totaled the third-most passing yards (4,018) of his career in 2012.
Prior to his most recent stint with the Raiders, Knapp spent the 2010-11 seasons as the Houston Texans quarterbacks coach. He also served as the offensive coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks (2009), Oakland Raiders (2007-08), Atlanta Falcons (2004-06) and San Francisco 49ers (2001-03). He was the 49ers quarterbacks from 1998-2000.
Knapp has coached three Pro Bowl quarterbacks to a total of six Pro Bowls as a position coach or offensive coordinator including Steve Young, Jeff Garcia and Michael Vick.
As Houston’s quarterbacks coach, Knapp developed Matt Schaub, who was a third-round pick of the Falcons in 2004, when Knapp was the team’s offensive coordinator. Schaub ranked fourth in the NFL with 4,370 passing yards under Knapp’s direction in 2010.
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Blake said:
I have to question why Elway would draft Osweiler #57 overall as Manning's heir just to trade him a couple years later. Even if the Texans were truly interested in obtaining him, I dont think Denver would do it for a 2nd.
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Never hurts to ask.

Every year there's some crazy trade that I like, & wonder if Rick Smith had a clue that the guy was on the trading block.
 
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OT, but look at where Peyton holds the ball. To me, that's where it's supposed to be. For every "bit" lower, I take a point away in my grading system.
 
bah007 said:
Don't know enough about Gase to have a definitive opinion.

I don't think Knapp is as good as he used to be, but he used to be pretty darn good. I thought he worked wonders with Vick and Garcia.
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Schaub went to the probowl the year before and the year after Knapp was with the Texans.
 
infantrycak said:
Schaub went to the probowl the year before and the year after Knapp was with the Texans.
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Indeed.

I liked his work with Garcia the most. I think he did a great job with him.

I think he did a good job with Vick, who most people considered to be uncoachable.

Everything since then? Meh. Average to below average. I think the game has passed him by. I also don't agree with any assertion that he helped develop Schaub (like in the link TK posted). Schaub had the best year of his career the year before Knapp got here.
 
thunderkyss said:
OT, but look at where Peyton holds the ball. To me, that's where it's supposed to be. For every "bit" lower, I take a point away in my grading system.
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-1 :kitten:
 
PapaL said:
Seems we might not be so sold on this years QB class.
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Ehh depends oh how you look at it. Osweiler has been sitting behind Manning for 2 years. I can see the appeal of using our first 2 picks on Clowney and Osweiler instead of drafting a rookie QB #1 and a less talented pass rusher #33.
 
infantrycak said:
Schaub went to the probowl the year before and the year after Knapp was with the Texans.
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Knapp is a decent QB coach and eons ago when Vick was in ATL he was a good coordinator, but his 2 stints in Oakland and 1 in Seattle have shown that he's become ineffective as an OC.

w/r/t sitting behind Peyton, I don't really view that as the super positive that some people do. I know Jim Sorgi was a backup for what seemed like eternity there and he was never any good, and then they had the running clown show in 2011 that ultimately landed them Andrew Luck (Manning was there to educate them or whatever he does to his understudies. Probably gives them wedgies). Osweiler is still rather unknown and I have seen less of him than I have of this current QB class so I can't really offer an opinion of like or dislike of his ability to play football.

For the record I like this QB class and I usually don't like them so it's frustrating for me to watch this cat and mouse game played in the media leading up to draft day. Since draft day is now further back in the year, this offseason will seem particularly long and gruesome.
 
Playoffs said:
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-1 :kitten:
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& he had a pretty low grade. & that's more like a -2


I'm not saying that a player has to grade perfect to be a success in the NFL. I'm saying the closer he is to Peyton, the more likely I believe he will succeed.
 
thunderkyss said:
& he had a pretty low grade. & that's more like a -2


I'm not saying that a player has to grade perfect to be a success in the NFL. I'm saying the closer he is to Peyton, the more likely I believe he will succeed.
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And like I pointed out to you, Aaron Rodgers held the ball up high like that in college but now that he's in the pros, he's improved his play... and he holds the ball lower, more like Brady does there.

You "counted" off on Bridgewater because he holds the ball like Brady and Rodgers.

Think about that for a second.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Broncos are not going to let their heir apparent to Manning get away and have nothing waiting when Manning leaves...
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Unless Manning has told them he is leaving after 2015 the Broncos are in the same situation the Pats are - they will not be able to keep Mallett or Osweiler past their rookie contract without it becoming absurdly expensive. Those guys are going to want a starting gig.
 
ObsiWan said:
Who are they trying to kid??
We all KNOW that Peyton is going to run that offense. QB coach and OC are both ceremonial positions as long as Peyton is your QB.
:kitten:
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I'm assuming while Peyton was running the offense, Knapp was trying to develop Osweiler.
 
I can't get real excited about this. Never thought much of Osweiler at ASU. Don't know how much Peyton has rubbed off him in a couple of years. Sure, getting Clowney could take this defense to a special level. But, Osweiler feels like getting a Rob Johnson or Scott Mitchell. Without the production. He was never the player in college that Bridgewater or Manziel were.
 
Lucky said:
I can't get real excited about this. Never thought much of Osweiler at ASU. Don't know how much Peyton has rubbed off him in a couple of years. Sure, getting Clowney could take this defense to a special level. But, Osweiler feels like getting a Rob Johnson or Scott Mitchell. Without the production. He was never the player in college that Bridgewater or Manziel were.
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You must have forgotten what our QB play was like last year. Any name will generate interest.
 
no thanks. i didnt think much of osweiler at all coming out of college, he didnt have a notable talent at quarterback other than height that i saw. if he were 6'4", he might not have been taken until the 6th in my world. and does peyton have backups that have gone on to do great things? i can only think of jim sorgi and curtis painter - neither of which got some kind of magic by playing with peyton.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
I'd rather inquire about Mike Glennon if he's not Lovies man
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Not crazy about that, either. Glennon was OK, but was sacked a lot. His mobility was a concern going into the draft last year, and that bore out. The escapability factor is one reason I like the top QBs in this draft.
 
Lucky said:
Not crazy about that, either. Glennon was OK, but was sacked a lot. His mobility was a concern going into the draft last year, and that bore out. The escapability factor is one reason I like the top QBs in this draft.
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Putting the top 3 of the draft aside - next favorite options? Garafalo, Mallett, etc.

I didn't like what I saw of Glennon last season. Looked like a placeholder IMO.
 
infantrycak said:
Putting the top 3 of the draft aside - next favorite options? Garafalo, Mallett, etc.
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I guess we're talking about using the 2nd round pick on a QB, either in trade or an actual rookie. Mallet has the talent. He has an elite arm and isn't a total statue. Being on the Pats for 3 years (one under O'Brien) is a plus. But, Mallet carried a lot of red flags into the 2011 draft. He should have been a 1st round pick, and fell to the 3rd round. Does O'Brien know enough about Mallet to give him a good reference? Mallet scares me.

Kirk Cousins is probably available. He has mobility and an OK arm. Is he a "franchise QB"? No, more like a game manager. But, he might be the best trade option available. Which doesn't say much.

Based on talent alone, I would trade up from 2-1 to take Derek Carr. He has the arm, he has the mobility. I would do that if I were drafting for any team not named the Houston Texans. I think he would be a PR disaster here. He would be booed from the 1st snap.

Garoppolo looks talented, but how far behind is he from the other prospects in terms of development. Seems like a big gamble. In the later rounds, I like San Jose's David Fales. Strictly an intangibles/gut feeling thing. His measurables and arm strength are pedestrian.

I would rather take Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles. I just feel better about these guys than the other options. Yes, you miss out on Clowney, and that sucks. But without a QB, your franchise is in drift mode. This team needs direction, and they need a QB to rally behind.
 
infantrycak said:
Putting the top 3 of the draft aside - next favorite options? Garafalo, Mallett, etc.

I didn't like what I saw of Glennon last season. Looked like a placeholder IMO.
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Eh, I didn't like Glennon coming out but I thought he played decently as a rookie put into the fire because his HC was/is an egomaniac. He wasn't breath-taking or anything like that, but I thought he was good enough to warrant being the starter in 2014 for the Bucs baring a a lot better of a QB falling into their laps.

With Cutler being the notable exception, he'll be better than any other QB Lovie Smith has had.
 
Lucky said:
I guess we're talking about using the 2nd round pick on a QB, either in trade or an actual rookie....
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Top to bottom (other than not having seen Fales enough to judge) just about nailed my thoughts. ... I would add in a Manziel scares me.
 
infantrycak said:
I would add in a Manziel scares me.
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I understand that. He doesn't fit into any mold that has been successful in the NFL. Yet. Manziel just mesmerizes me. I guess in a way that Vince Young did to many back in 2006 (not me, though). Someone said recently that Manziel will get someone fired. Either for drafting him or passing on him.
 
bah007 said:
Liked Osweiler coming out of college more than most people. And sitting behind Peyton is not a bad spot to be in. Hopefully he's soaking it up.

I like him a lot more than Mallett.
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I've never bought into the "he's bound to learn, sitting behind the superstar" theory. But maybe you are right and he will turn out to be awesome like Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter.
 
Fred said:
I've never bought into the "he's bound to learn, sitting behind the superstar" theory. But maybe you are right and he will turn out to be awesome like Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter.
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Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I don't believe "not a bad situation" and "bound to learn" mean quite the same thing. Besides, you're comparing a 2nd round pick to a couple of 6th round picks. It would be just as easy (and just as unfair) to compare him to Aaron Rodgers.
 
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