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royce1054 said:
I completely disagree. We do need a pass rusher but too much money is invested in the D-line this year to invest more this early. 3rd yes.
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Our Dline will be leaving soon. By the time that Spears starts getting expensive.. our expensive Dlinemen will have left the team. they are old.. they are injury prone.. we need youth on the Dline and we need it now.

that being said.. im not high on Spears and I think we could get a similar talent in the 2nd and 3rd.

ive already expained how I feel about Williamson.
 
i think we could trade down, pick up another 2nd round pick, and see if we could get shaun cody then pick up a WR in the 2nd
 
Grid said:
that being said.. im not high on Spears and I think we could get a similar talent in the 2nd and 3rd.

ive already expained how I feel about Williamson.
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Well they way i see it Bill Swancutt, chris canty and Jovan Haye will all be there in 3rd round. Thats off my mocks... I do think 6 DE will go in the 1st round. 1 will go in 2nd. So there will be talent in that position in 3rd.
 
royce1054 said:
Well they way i see it Bill Swancutt, chris canty and Jovan Haye will all be there in 3rd round. Thats off my mocks... I do think 6 DE will go in the 1st round. 1 will go in 2nd. So there will be talent in that position in 3rd.
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Swancutt couldn't play DE for us, and he's been overly hyped since his Senior Bowl performance...

Canty will likely go in the 2nd, as early as San Diego's pick if they don't get Spears in the 1st...

Haye should be available in the 3rd, and we'd be wise to take a look at him...
 
D-ReK said:
Swancutt couldn't play DE for us, and he's been overly hyped since his Senior Bowl performance...

Canty will likely go in the 2nd, as early as San Diego's pick if they don't get Spears in the 1st...

Haye should be available in the 3rd, and we'd be wise to take a look at him...
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Well San Diego draft board looks like this
1.Shawne Merriman
2 Marcus Spears
3. Troy Williamson.
4. Shaun Cody I might have his 1st name wrong i mean the 1 out of USC.
thats about it.
 
Remember guys and gals defense wins game and eventually championships. So I say draft Rodgers and look to fill the #2 wr spot in the 2nd or 3rd. Think like this. If we have glenn, robinson, and rodgers along with the other depth we have. Then we could have more defensive scoring or more chances on offense with a shorter field and that is why you shore up the defense first. Lets get real here people if you have a mixture of youth, talent, and speed on defense, then you have a solid foundation. Glenn will not play forever, and we need rodgers to fill that void and learn from him.

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big sarge said:
Remember guys and gals defense wins game and eventually championships. So I say draft Rodgers and look to fill the #2 wr spot in the 2nd or 3rd. Think like this. If we have glenn, robinson, and rodgers along with the other depth we have. Then we could have more defensive scoring or more chances on offense with a shorter field and that is why you shore up the defense first. Lets get real here people if you have a mixture of youth, talent, and speed on defense, then you have a solid foundation. Glenn will not play forever, and we need rodgers to fill that void and learn from him.

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Country!!
Texans!!!
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Rodgers could be a good pick. You have to think of the voids you have 1st and deal with depth 2nd. As of right now really only 1 positiion is up for grabs. We can add some good depth in the CB position in the 2nd or 3rd round. I still think we could move up into late 1st round and slect an OLB, or a CB (my opinion)... there is some good talent in this draft. It seems to me that their really isnt a stand out but the quality is there. We could get Williamson or Clayton... or we can wait til 2nd round hope Gibson or Brown if they are there. We could go Pac-man (if there), carlos Rodgers, justin Miller or we could wait til 2nd round and go after a Eric Green, possibly a brandon Browner if he falls, Bryant McFadden, Marlin Johnson. We could also draft a channing crowder or wait until 2nd round and go after Darryl Blackstock or odell thurman, Kevin Burnett, or even Demarcus Ware.

What i am getting at is at all the positions i have just named i think other than Pac-man they are almost all even with the member of their position. It could go either way. To me we fill the void 1st. Find the WR to stretch field. Take the double team away from Andre Johnson. Then we see about a trade up to either get depth or find the player that might make a Antwan Peek sit or push a DeMarcus Faggins back to the dime or find that corner that might just get a learning year for next year.
 
JMO, but I would like the first two picks to go:

1. C. Rogers or J. Miller

2. Castillo or Bass

After these it's just trying to fill depth and trying to find a diamond IMO. A WR is a need, but not as immediate as the DL or OL and a replacement for Glenn. I am sure someone will say "We can find (fill in the position here) in later rounds and we should pick ......and of course we can, but it's MUCH harder and less likely to find a top CB after the first round. This years draft has 4 CBs who can/will be able to start, Rolle, Jones, Rogers and Miller in that order for quality. (I might be persuaded to change Jones and Rogers spots around). I doubt Rolle or Jones makes it to 13, but Rogers MIGHT and Miller will. As far as the lineman selections with the 2nd pick, I might take Bass before Castillo just because I think our O-line is sicker than the D-line and it takes longer for an NFL quality O-lineman to develope and Bass has the potential to address one of the two sickest Oline positions in Center and/or RG.
 
edo783 said:
JMO, but I would like the first two picks to go:

1. C. Rogers or J. Miller

2. Castillo or Bass

After these it's just trying to fill depth and trying to find a diamond IMO. A WR is a need, but not as immediate as the DL or OL and a replacement for Glenn. I am sure someone will say "We can find (fill in the position here) in later rounds and we should pick ......and of course we can, but it's MUCH harder and less likely to find a top CB after the first round. This years draft has 4 CBs who can/will be able to start, Rolle, Jones, Rogers and Miller in that order for quality. (I might be persuaded to change Jones and Rogers spots around). I doubt Rolle or Jones makes it to 13, but Rogers MIGHT and Miller will. As far as the lineman selections with the 2nd pick, I might take Bass before Castillo just because I think our O-line is sicker than the D-line and it takes longer for an NFL quality O-lineman to develope and Bass has the potential to address one of the two sickest Oline positions in Center and/or RG.
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Ok i can see you missed what i was saying.
WR it is a need. You dont understand what it will be like without a good #2 WR. This is one of our biggest needs.
CB it is a need maybe 2nd or 3rd round pick but its just depth.. trying to find some 1 that we can groom to gleens backup. We can either do that or wait til next year and go 1st round CB
OL will prob be a 4th round selection
DE we can add depth in 3rd round.
OLB we can trade our #2 and maybe a #3 or sharper and get a good pass rusher at the end of 1st round.
 
yeah we do need another WR with some speed to help take some of the attention off johnnson. i think that would also help out our running game !
 
i'd like to see if alexander can do the job for us at WR ...instead of a high pick WR
somehow I'd be very pleased if we worked out something like this
1) lb---ware
2)c-- Bass
3) cb--corey webster


or
1)cb--pac man or rogers
2)LB--crowder or blackstock
3)c---wilkerson

I agree that we need another #2 WR.. but Carr needs a pocket to throw from and a healthy TE..
 
Demarcus Ware will be there at the 28 and up area. We can easily get Williamson and then trade up to get A Demarcus Ware, Kevin Burnett, or Darryl Blackstock
obcourse this is a trade invloving Shaper and a #2 which to me equals a late 1st round early 2nd pick.

3rd round we can go CB with 1st pick and DE/OL with 2nd pick.
 
Grid said:
im not high on Spears and I think we could get a similar talent in the 2nd and 3rd.
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Grid, FYI, there is nobody in this years crop with anywhere close to Marcus Spears level talent. He has the perfect body type, to play DE in our scheme, and hes quick and strong. nobody has his ability, especially not in the second or third round. :thumbdown
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
Grid, FYI, there is nobody in this years crop with anywhere close to Marcus Spears level talent. He has the perfect body type, to play DE in our scheme, and hes quick and strong. nobody has his ability, especially not in the second or third round. :thumbdown
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What about Chris Canty? He and Spears are very similar, but Canty has an injury issue...Canty also has experience in a 3-4...
 
D-ReK said:
What about Chris Canty? He and Spears are very similar, but Canty has an injury issue...Canty also has experience in a 3-4...
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I haven't seen Canty play that much so I can't really compare the two. However, everytime I see Spears play he reminds me alot of a Richard Seymour with more size and strength or perhaps a Reggie White but with less pass rushing ability. I would love to see him drafted by the Texans, but it's appearing less and less likely as the draft approaches. Canty might be in the same realm, but I can't really speak to it. I'm sure someone who's watched him more at Virginia could give you a fair evaluation.
 
someone besides McClain is going to have to convince me that Troy Williamson is the best option with the 13th pick, I'm still not convinced. just because he has the measureables, size/speed for a WR does'nt mean he has the mental mindset. for instance why would he not stay in school & try to have a great senior year in Steve Spurrier's offense be the #1 WR rather than go pro early as 3rd best & out of the top 10?

also there are some really good WR prospects available latter both 2nd & 3rd rd's who could surprise and compete for the 2nd spot with the Texans :hmmm:
 
I've thought the same thing but after thinking about it I'd probably rather be in the NFL as a millionare than play another year of College ball and risking tearing up my knees myself. If he is picked in the first round like he is projected that would be the right move for him.
 
The one question I have about Williamson is what does he bring thats different? Bradford was a burner and did not take double teams away from AJ. So what does Williamson do that would take those double teams away?
 
Vinny said:
I've thought the same thing but after thinking about it I'd probably rather be in the NFL as a millionare than play another year of College ball and risking tearing up my knees myself. If he is picked in the first round like he is projected that would be the right move for him.
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Ya but what if you tore up your knees early in your career and dont have a degree to fall back on. I guess you could always go back to school but I would finish my college career first. On the other hand I wouldnt fight for extra years coughJasonWhitecough.
 
wags said:
The one question I have about Williamson is what does he bring thats different? Bradford was a burner and did not take double teams away from AJ. So what does Williamson do that would take those double teams away?
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Bradford was never graded out nor was ever valued like a top-15 pick either. Williamson tore up the College skills competition like nobody since Javon Walker did.
 
Panther5407 said:
Ya but what if you tore up your knees early in your career and dont have a degree to fall back on. I guess you could always go back to school but I would finish my college career first. On the other hand I wouldnt fight for extra years coughJasonWhitecough.
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I did pretty well without a degree and I never singed a million dollar rookie contract. I think he would be able to get by.
 
Vinny said:
Bradford was never graded out nor was ever valued like a top-15 pick either. Williamson tore up the College skills competition like nobody since Javon Walker did.
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Didn't Williamson win the best hands competition? That alone separates him from Bradford. :heh:
 
Vinny said:
I did pretty well without a degree and I never singed a million dollar rookie contract. I think he would be able to get by.
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Ok true, but are all of these guys smart enough to get by without a degree? Thats what I think about all the NBA rookies strait out of high school with exceptions to people like Tracy, KG, Kobe and James but I still think that degree is going to be very valuable for you no matter what.
 
I'd chunk my last decades salary for a few million. I know it doesn't go as far as it used to...but the money is quite sizeable.
 
Well i guess I don't have to worry about it though, not like I'll make it to the NFL so I don't need to decide to leave A&M early or not.
 
Heck, I left College for a 50k a year job (about two decades ago). I'd hate to hear what you guys would say about that move.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
Grid, FYI, there is nobody in this years crop with anywhere close to Marcus Spears level talent. He has the perfect body type, to play DE in our scheme, and hes quick and strong. nobody has his ability, especially not in the second or third round. :thumbdown
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Coming out of college Seth Payne was drafted in the 4th round, Gary Walker in the 5th round, and Robiere Smith in the 6th round so when they say one
of the upside factors of the 3-4 is that teams are less likely to need to invest high draft picks in downlinemen its the truth.
The kind of natural athleticism that big men like Spears have is a trait that is more important and therefor in higher demand for 4-3 lineman than for their 3-4 counterparts.
 
Vinny said:
I've thought the same thing but after thinking about it I'd probably rather be in the NFL as a millionare than play another year of College ball and risking tearing up my knees myself. If he is picked in the first round like he is projected that would be the right move for him.
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tried to find some numbers, but I know the NFL has a rookie pool allocation for teams to use on draftee's which is why most are so heavily back loaded, but I'm sure the money is fairly substantial between a top 10 pick say #7 in this case and the #13 pick.

that being said (its all about the money thread) it seems like Troy was in the ideal situation to return to school and play for argueably one of the top offensive minds in College football in Steve Spurrier. now with his NFL experience and connections does not South Carloina become a football powerhouse?

another question I have was that end of season melt down where viloence erupted onto the field including fans, so maybe there are other issues that played into his decision.

best comp is Braylon Edwards look how much his stock soared by returning to school for his senior year, he went from late 1st round to possibly #1 overall ceratinly one of the top 5 picks in the draft, earned his degree and expereinced the whole college experience including the Rose Bowl :twocents:
 
beerlover said:
best comp is Braylon Edwards look how much his stock soared by returning to school for his senior year, he went from late 1st round to possibly #1 overall ceratinly one of the top 5 picks in the draft, earned his degree and expereinced the whole college experience including the Rose Bowl :twocents:
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That's true, but it wasn't so much his added year of experience that rose his stock it was the fact that he wouldn't have to be in a draft with Larry Fitzgerald and Roy Williams. Edwards would've likely gone around the same time Mike Williams did if both were in the 2004 Draft. That would've meant the two would be competing with Reggie Williams to be the 3rd WR taken. Not to mention there were still WRs like Lee Evans and Micheal Clayton to compete with.

As far as Williamson leaving I'm sure he felt he stood a good chance to go early in this draft. I don't see how he could improve his stock that much more by staying one more season under Spurrier. As of right now he's almost assured of going in the top half of the first round, and even if he had a phenomenal season next year he'd still be in that same realm but maybe a few spots higher. It's true that Spurrier is known for his offense, but this next season will be Spurrier's first and it takes time for him to get his guys in place and to familiarize those players with his playbook. You might see an improvement in SC's offense next season, but I think it'll be his 2nd or 3rd season before Spurrier's offense really takes off.
 
texasguy346 said:
That's true, but it wasn't so much his added year of experience that rose his stock it was the fact that he wouldn't have to be in a draft with Larry Fitzgerald and Roy Williams. Edwards would've likely gone around the same time Mike Williams did if both were in the 2004 Draft.
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the point I failed to convey is that Edwards was no where close to Mike Williams in 2004 as possible draft prospects. Mike was a lock to go in the top 10. Braylon was considered a late 1st rounder. fast forward to 2005 and you can see the development Braylon made over his senior year, he stepped his game up especially when it counted the most and by most anaylsis is considered the best package of skills of all the WR's including Mike Williams in the 2005 draft.

he now compares favorably with Fitzgerald the top WR taken in 04. for Braylon staying in school was the right thing to do, I'm suggesting that it may/may not be the right decision for Troy Williamson & I wonder how much influence these guys agents influence College athletes.

but this article is reassuring- http://www.decagent.com/news/williamsont20041216.asp


bonus- http://www.pmvfx.com/video/DEC-sports/T_williamson.wmv
 
Nice video. I remember that TD catch he had against Georgia. What I didn't remember is who almost ran him down from the other side of the field. :shocked
 
The one thing I noticed about that highlight video is that most of the highlights are against teams like USF and Vanderbilt and a lot of the plays, he's going up against much smaller CBs...He did have a few highlights against Georgia and Tennessee though...Good find beer dude...
 
Williamson can get bodied by larger corners and it makes him run even sloppier routes. Why cant we take the kid from georgia in the second. Reggie Brown is the name and he will be the Anquan Boldin of this draft.
 
I cant wait until we resign bradford, so we can focus on D again.

DJ, Merriman, Spears, or Davis, would be my choices.
 
Hey dont rule out pollack or d. ware, or c. rodgers. But you are frickin right it is time for more Defense than some receiver.
 
cadahnic said:
Hey dont rule out pollack or d. ware, or c. rodgers. But you are frickin right it is time for more Defense than some receiver.
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I wouldnt rule out anyone on D, after who we picked last year. ;)
 
Vinny said:
Heck, I left College for a 50k a year job (about two decades ago). I'd hate to hear what you guys would say about that move.
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Not necessarily the move I would have made, but it isn't my life. From the sound of it, the move worked out well for you. The thing I have learned about life is that we each have our own path.

I personally had the exact opposite situation. I got a degree but came out with bad grades (actually degree was in Partying) and a poor attitude in a depressed market. I eventually got motivated to go back to school and "did it right" the second time around.

I do think that a degree gives one more options in life than not having one. It isn't essential, but it does correlate to more money on the average.
 
Not everyone gets the type of job offer I received either (I bet I make/made more money than most of the degreed people who read this). A degree doesn't make you competent, intelligent nor does it give you a work ethic. Williamson has a better job offer than I had. Needless to say, I'd take the job.
 
On the subject of Williamson leaving school early, don't you think it's a possibility that he wanted to leave before Spurrier took over because of the stigma against Spurrier receivers? Ike Hilliard, Reidel Anthony, and Jacquez Green are all Florida guys that came into the league with plenty of fanfare and none lived up to their potential...I think it possible Williamson wanted to distance himself from them so he wouldn't have the knock on him of being a "product of a system"...
 
I think he left because he will be an instant millionare and he doesn't have to risk an injury that could steal that.
 
Vinny said:
I think he left because he will be an instant millionare and he doesn't have to risk an injury that could steal that.
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"Seize the moment" is the operative phrase in this context, for their is no assurances it will be available to him tomorrow (figuratively speaking).
Roy Williams (the former Texas WR), had he come out in 2003 he was almost
guaranteed to be the #3 overall in the Draft, playing at home in Texas, and the #1 receiver on his team. Instead he stayed in school another year, was a much lower pick in the Draft, in tough competition to be the teams top receiver, and playing in a cold *** climate which is a long ways from his Texas roots.
 
Good for him. Perhaps he felt good about his life without the money in case of injury. Not all of us come from families with cash. Some of us put our instant $ to good use and would rather not chance it slipping away.
 
nunusguy said:
"Seize the moment" is the operative phrase in this context, for their is no assurances it will be available to him tomorrow (figuratively speaking).
Roy Williams (the former Texas WR), had he come out in 2003 he was almost
guaranteed to be the #3 overall in the Draft, playing at home in Texas, and the #1 receiver on his team. Instead he stayed in school another year, was a much lower pick in the Draft, in tough competition to be the teams top receiver, and playing in a cold *** climate which is a long ways from his Texas roots.
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Don't the Detroit Lions play in a concealed doom with a retractable roof like the Houston Texans :whistle:
 
texasguy346 said:
I don't think their roof is retractable. From my understanding it's just a dome.
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Oh, I always thought Detroit had a retractable that they don't use because of the bad weather :confused:
 
I don't think so. It has those glass walls on opposite ends of the stadium sort of like Minute Maid Park, but I've never heard it mentioned as having a retractable roof.
 
That was a great video Beerlover :thumbup

From the looks of it, not only can Williamson go deep but he'll also catch passes over the middle as well :thumbup

I think he would be the perfect compliment to Andre Johnson :cool:
 
LikeABoss said:
Oh, I always thought Detroit had a retractable that they don't use because of the bad weather :confused:
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Well you're right he plays indoors whether or not the roof is retractable. I guess I was trying to say he had a chance to play and reside in his home region (Texas/the sunbelt) where the climate was what he'd been raised in and was accustomed to rather than live in a cold weather climate. Of course
one could argue that he could winter in Texas but be in Michigan in the summer and fall and avoid the horrendous summers and Hurricane season we have here on the Gulf Coast.
But his football career probably would have been better served here in Texas and Cass very likely would have taken him in '03 with the 3rd overall instead of AJ. He'd be making a lot more money, playing regularly before gobs
& gobs of his adoring UT fans, and not have to comptete with anyone as the
teams #1 receiver.
 
It might be too much of a mental burden to learn the air it out offense in one year and hope the scouts are as high on him again next year. Just because alot of players leave for the draft early does not mean they are not getting a degree.

Emmitt Smith left early and he even got a degree from florida in 93 i believe. He just went back and took some classes in the offseason.

I don't think we go Burner Wideout i think we are momentarily obsessing over Willamson's abilities rather than looking at what i feel is realistically needed. We need depth at OL, DL, TE, possibly Secondary help. WR is not a major need, but I would like to add depth to in later rounds. My thought trade down and compile picks. Nothing Blue Chip at 13 but there will be steals later.
 
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