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Texans hire Bill O'Brien as HC

tedr said:
I see where you're coming from, but to compare those Army teams' offenses to modern day offenses seems like you're comparing apples to oranges...I would imagine those offenses back in the day didn't have quite the number of plays as modern offenses do.
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IS more plays more effective? Is it possible that they get to the point where players don't know the all the plays and the offense becomes less effective?
 
Texecutioner said:
He had arguably the best up tempo offense in NFL history on the New England Patriots.
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O'Brien joined a BELICHIK and BRady lead team that had won 3 Super Bowls BEFORE he arrived. He did not teach Brady that offense when Brady was already the MVP BEFORE O'Brien arrived.

How come PSU only converted ONE third down vs Syracuse? They probably would have been a little more effective if they had Brady, Moss, Gronkowski and BELICHIK. I think we could say that about ANY team including the Texans.
 
TexansFight said:
Thank you for setting this PSU joker straight. Pos rep.
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That was a great team BEFORE O'Brien arrived. They won the Super Bowl without O'brien.

How come Obrien's PSU team with superior talent could only convert ONE third down vs Syracuse? Obrien almost gave that game away on the first drive when he went for it on 4th and 7 from deep in his own end. He later said he thought it was 1st down. I guess he thought it was 1st and 7.
 
tuco99 said:
O'Brien joined a BELICHIK and BRady lead team that had won 3 Super Bowls BEFORE he arrived. He did not teach Brady that offense when Brady was already the MVP BEFORE O'Brien arrived.

How come PSU only converted ONE third down vs Syracuse? They probably would have been a little more effective if they had Brady, Moss, Gronkowski and BELICHIK. I think we could say that about ANY team including the Texans.
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All he needed this year was McGloin .
 
tuco99 said:
That was a great team BEFORE O'Brien arrived. They won the Super Bowl without O'brien.

How come Obrien's PSU team with superior talent could only convert ONE third down vs Syracuse? Obrien almost gave that game away on the first drive when he went for it on 4th and 7 from deep in his own end. He later said he thought it was 1st down. I guess he thought it was 1st and 7.
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Remind all of us posters the final score of that game?
 
amazing80 said:
Remind all of us posters the final score of that game?
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As I remember it was 24-17 but SU had a chance at the end of the game and Trevor Williams had a pick in the endzone.


Did you see the 62 -13 Ohio State game? What did you think of the defensive adjustments in which Obrien and Butler moved Adrian Amos to safety? OSU had WRs wide open with lead blockers and no defenders in sight. It only took Obrien and Butler 10 freaking games to move Amos back to CB. The fans knew it was a mistake by game two and it took the coaches 10 games to admit the fans were right.
 
tuco99 said:
That was a great team BEFORE O'Brien arrived. They won the Super Bowl without O'brien.

How come Obrien's PSU team with superior talent could only convert ONE third down vs Syracuse? Obrien almost gave that game away on the first drive when he went for it on 4th and 7 from deep in his own end. He later said he thought it was 1st down. I guess he thought it was 1st and 7.
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You are confusing different issues, I think:

I don't think people are wanting O'Brien because they believe he was largely behind the success of the Patriots.

Speaking for myself, I see his time in New England as a great learning opportunity that he had (whether he maximized it or not is another question)... I don't care, either way, whether other Belicheck disciples have been successful head coaches or not. I think it is worth looking at to see if there is a common reason, beyond those individuals (McDaniels, Romeo, Weis), why they have failed that can be traced directly back to their time in New England... And, I don't see it.

Most of us are excited about O'Brien for two reasons, I think:

1. Strong leader- I love that he has a defined, clear philosophy on offense and defense. He articulates his vision well. People are quick to buy-in to what he's doing...

2. Coaching Philosophy predicated on creating favorable matchups, exploiting the weaknesses of an opponent, making quick in-game adjustments, and using unpredictablility on offense/defense to create uncertainty and confusion.

* Perhaps there are better options available. Perhaps O'brien will be a poor NFL head coach. I can not say with certainty what will happen. However, I know what this organization has been missing from the head coaching position (and I'm a Kubiak fan). His strengths match-up almost exactly with Kubiak's weaknesses. So, all of the fans who have been frustrated with years by Kubiak are going to be over-the-moon as they get to know O'Brien... at least until (if) he fails.
 
tuco99 said:
When Vince LOmbardi was the offensive coordinator the head coach told him not to bring the playbook on the practice field. Lombardi asked him why. The HC asked LOmbardi, "If the coaches can't remember the plays then how are the players supposed to remember the plays?"

Can you answer that question?
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You know something else Vince Lombardi never did? He never ran the West Coast Offense.

I guess that makes Bill Walsh and who knows how many other coaches stupid for doing things different than Lombardi.
 
O'Brien runs the same style of offense that I would run if I were a coach so I'm totally for this. Uses his personnel to create favorable matchups and then takes advantage of them.
 
One that screams and hollars and leads by intimidation is usually not a good recipe for success (Singletary). Also there may not be that many NFL jobs openings as usual and one reason O'Brien may seem to quick to want to join the Texans. Maybe his phone isn't ringing like he thought it would. And with things going sour in State College and the NCAA scholarship sanctions starting to really take there effect next year, now might be the best time for O'Brien to close the Penn St. door behind him.
 
Texecutioner said:
He had arguably the best up tempo offense in NFL history on the New England Patriots.
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That was Josh McDaniels not O'Brien. Ironically the hype I am seeing on O'Brien is similar to that I saw with McDaniels. If OB ends up the guy I definitely hope it doesn't turn out like McDaniels did.
 
Playoffs said:
No, it's not. It's in their contracts. Schools can't have coaches telling recruits "I'm leaving LSU & going to Alabama" any more than they want their coaches harming their recruiting by telling the kids "Come to Penn State, but I probably won't be there".
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:um:


My point is that I believe Mack Brown would still be the head coach of the Texas Longhorns if the decision was totally up to him. It wasn't. He isn't.

If the decision comes totally down to O'Brien, if the Texans say, "We want you." It will be O'Brien's decision to leave Pen State.

I understand it doesn't make sense for any college HC to say he's not staying. I never argued that point. I don't know if it's in their contracts or just common sense.
 
deucetx said:
That was Josh McDaniels not O'Brien. Ironically the hype I am seeing on O'Brien is similar to that I saw with McDaniels. If OB ends up the guy I definitely hope it doesn't turn out like McDaniels did.
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McDaniels was his own worst enemy with the Cutler/Cassel ordeal.
 
I think the Browns could be in play for O'Brien if the reports are true that they have fired their coach. Their GM Lombardi has a relationship with Belichick.
 
tuco99 said:
When Vince LOmbardi was the offensive coordinator the head coach told him not to bring the playbook on the practice field. Lombardi asked him why. The HC asked LOmbardi, "If the coaches can't remember the plays then how are the players supposed to remember the plays?"

Can you answer that question?
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The Denny's menu is not the playbook. Kubiak doesn't hang on to it because he can't remember plays. It's the game plan, which the Players don't need to remember. All they have to do is execute it.

The offensive coordinator up in the booth has one just like it. It keeps them grounded. So when they have to make decisions on the fly they can use input from earlier in the week, when the bullets weren't flying, to make sound decisions.

It's not a script that has to be followed religiously, but for whatever situation they find themselves in, they can take information from the game, information from their game plan, and make sound decisions.
 
~I think we're all missing the boat with Bill O'Brien. He has an Irish name and we all know that the GREAT Coaches were Irish!~
 
tuco99 said:
That was a great team BEFORE O'Brien arrived. They won the Super Bowl without O'brien.

How come Obrien's PSU team with superior talent could only convert ONE third down vs Syracuse? Obrien almost gave that game away on the first drive when he went for it on 4th and 7 from deep in his own end. He later said he thought it was 1st down. I guess he thought it was 1st and 7.
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I meant to add you bring up some good points.

What do you think about Lovie Smith?
 
deucetx said:
That was Josh McDaniels not O'Brien. Ironically the hype I am seeing on O'Brien is similar to that I saw with McDaniels. If OB ends up the guy I definitely hope it doesn't turn out like McDaniels did.
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McDaniels might be a heck of a coach his second time around. He knows (or should know after going through the experience, then going back and discussing it with the guru) what he did wrong & possibly how to avoid it next time.

I'm sure O'Brien has had some valuable experiences as well that he can learn from.
 
Cleveland? So OB would rather go to a team that fires a coach after one year vs another team that gives a coach more than enough time to turn it around?

If he does that... meh. More power to him
 
OzzO said:
Cleveland? So OB would rather go to a team that fires a coach after one year vs another team that gives a coach more than enough time to turn it around?

If he does that... meh. More power to him
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Exactly. If he wants to be fired next year then good luck in Cleveland. That is where I think Bob Mcnair makes the Houston job even sexier than it should be. Having a patient owner is a good thing when you're a head coach.
 
I think what new England coordinators didn't understand is how good Brady was to them. So egos got the best of them

Now At least O'brien got his feet wet as a head coach even if is in the college ranks.
 
At the very least I think we can all agree that he has had success with both QBs he has had at Penn St, which is very important to me considering our situation.

His first year he took a former walk on who had done this in his previous two years:
448 attempts
54.2% completion
3119 yards
22 TDs
14 INTs

And did this with him:
446 attempts
60.5% completion
3271 yards
24 TDs
5 INTs

His second year he took a true freshman QB (granted, a very highly rated one) and did this:
392 attempts
58.9% completion
2955 yards
20 TDs
10 INTs

This tells me that he either has the ability to develop QBs or at least has an eye for QB talent. Both of those things are needed around here.
 
deucetx said:
That was Josh McDaniels not O'Brien. Ironically the hype I am seeing on O'Brien is similar to that I saw with McDaniels. If OB ends up the guy I definitely hope it doesn't turn out like McDaniels did.
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two different personalities IMO. McDaniels came across as the smug, know it all, wonder-kid.

O'Brien seems to be more a red ass, take **** from no one, kind of guy.
 
bah007 said:
At the very least I think we can all agree that he has had success with both QBs he has had at Penn St, which is very important to me considering our situation.

His first year he took a former walk on who had done this in his previous two years:
448 attempts
54.2% completion
3119 yards
22 TDs
14 INTs

And did this with him:
446 attempts
60.5% completion
3271 yards
24 TDs
5 INTs

His second year he took a true freshman QB (granted, a very highly rated one) and did this:
392 attempts
58.9% completion
2955 yards
20 TDs
10 INTs

This tells me that he either has the ability to develop QBs or at least has an eye for QB talent. Both of those things are needed around here.
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Good find from a stat perspective Bah. That's good to see. I really hope we pull this off.
 
bah007 said:
At the very least I think we can all agree that he has had success with both QBs he has had at Penn St, which is very important to me considering our situation.

His first year he took a former walk on who had done this in his previous two years:
448 attempts
54.2% completion
3119 yards
22 TDs
14 INTs

And did this with him:
446 attempts
60.5% completion
3271 yards
24 TDs
5 INTs

His second year he took a true freshman QB (granted, a very highly rated one) and did this:
392 attempts
58.9% completion
2955 yards
20 TDs
10 INTs

This tells me that he either has the ability to develop QBs or at least has an eye for QB talent. Both of those things are needed around here.
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There's a reason he's called The Quarterback Whisperer.
 
The Texans organization has been as dynamic and motivated as a smack addict since since 2005; a hard-ass who doesn't tolerate limp wristed losers's mentality is exactly what we need. If the best available such HC is O'Brien, then count me in.
 
bah007 said:
At the very least I think we can all agree that he has had success with both QBs he has had at Penn St, which is very important to me considering our situation.

His first year he took a former walk on who had done this in his previous two years:
448 attempts
54.2% completion
3119 yards
22 TDs
14 INTs

And did this with him:
446 attempts
60.5% completion
3271 yards
24 TDs
5 INTs

His second year he took a true freshman QB (granted, a very highly rated one) and did this:
392 attempts
58.9% completion
2955 yards
20 TDs
10 INTs

This tells me that he either has the ability to develop QBs or at least has an eye for QB talent. Both of those things are needed around here.
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A college QB with less than 60% completions and a TD to INT ratio of less than 3 to 1 is considered a below average QB.
 
Texian said:
A college QB with less than 60% completions and a TD to INT ratio of less than 3 to 1 is considered a below average QB.
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Considering that he was a true freshman starting in the Big Ten on a team under scholarship reductions that had also lost numerous starters to transfer, it's pretty clear he did just fine.
 
bah007 said:
Considering that he was a true freshman starting in the Big Ten on a team under scholarship reductions that had also lost numerous starters to transfer, it's pretty clear he did just fine.
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Dude, if his name ain't Bortles Texian can't be bothered to swing from that jock. He only has eyes for Blake.
 
The Third Man said:
I think the Browns could be in play for O'Brien if the reports are true that they have fired their coach. Their GM Lombardi has a relationship with Belichick.
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Tweets all over the place the Browns have officially cut coach Chud (but retained the staff for now?)
 
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