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Texans hire Bill O'Brien as HC

You know, I just watched OB's presser after the Eagles loss.

I want to like the guy. I really do. Still, I look at him and I can't shake my angst that he hitched his wagon to Ryan Fitzpatrick, knowing good and well that a head coach's career is directly linked to who he's put under center.

I'm not saying OB can't have success here in Houston, but this guy had better reevaulate himself pretty quick, or things are going to go bad for him here.

I think he MUST realize that; but then I'm reminded of the beard and I don't know what to think.
 
TEXANRED said:
That is kinda where I am at. I have better things to do. DVR is a wonderful thing.
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It is really sad to, because i remember a time i used to get excited and pumped up before games, now i find it hard to stay awake let alone make it through the entire 3 hours of hell. Hell even our wins are miserable because we all know we didn't win because we are good, we won because the other team we beat is a NFL bottom feeder.

I can't wait for the day i can be excited about Texans football again. Can't wait !
 
EllisUnit said:
It is really sad to, because i remember a time i used to get excited and pumped up before games, now i find it hard to stay awake let alone make it through the entire 3 hours of hell. Hell even our wins are miserable because we all know we didn't win because we are good, we won because the other team we beat is a NFL bottom feeder.

I can't wait for the day i can be excited about Texans football again. Can't wait !
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I can't wait till I feel the same way about this team the same way I did about the Oilers. I can't wait till management figures out we need a QB if they ever want to beat the Colts.
 
EVOLVIST said:
You know, I just watched OB's presser after the Eagles loss.

I want to like the guy. I really do. Still, I look at him and I can't shake my angst that he hitched his wagon to Ryan Fitzpatrick, knowing good and well that a head coach's career is directly linked to who he's put under center.

I'm not saying OB can't have success here in Houston, but this guy had better reevaulate himself pretty quick, or things are going to go bad for him here.

I think he MUST realize that; but then I'm reminded of the beard and I don't know what to think.
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What other great prospect did he have? I'm not saying that Fitz should have been the choice, but he would have had a bad choice pretty much no matter who he went with. It was a really bad year to be after QB's in the draft and in free agency.
 
EllisUnit said:
It is really sad to, because i remember a time i used to get excited and pumped up before games, now i find it hard to stay awake let alone make it through the entire 3 hours of hell. Hell even our wins are miserable because we all know we didn't win because we are good, we won because the other team we beat is a NFL bottom feeder.

I can't wait for the day i can be excited about Texans football again. Can't wait !
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Oh man, this was me today. It used to be that, if I were watching the game at home (as opposed to going to a sports bar), I'd be all in, pumped, ready, etc.

Today? I made a run to Home Depot at the start of the 2nd quarter, and wasn't all that stressed about what I was missing. It was weird, because I had never done that before, and didn't know why I was doing it.

Kinda sad.
 
BoB has shown me nothing so far this season to prove he deserves to be a HC in the NFL. Couple of seasons riding Bill B's coat tails and another stint at Pedo U doesn't mean he can do the job here. So far he hasn't proven anything.
 
TEXANRED said:
I can't wait till I feel the same way about this team the same way I did about the Oilers. I can't wait till management figures out we need a QB if they ever want to beat the Colts.
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Josh McGown, Mark Sanchez, Chad Henne. Not a bumper crop, but what would make OB & Co. Think Fitz was better?

In fact, stupid me, I was sure they would make a deal for Matt McGloin, with his upside and familiarity with OB.
 
You guys are ready to pull the plug on O'Brien halfway through the season because he didn't go with Mark Sanchez or those other thrift store QB's?

Ok.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Josh McGown, Mark Sanchez, Chad Henne. Not a bumper crop, but what would make OB & Co. Think Fitz was better?

In fact, stupid me, I was sure they would make a deal for Matt McGloin, with his upside and familiarity with OB.
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This extends way past Ryan Fitzsuckshit. This started in 1997, was ramped up to a frothy hatred in 99, continued through 2005, and was inexplicably renewed in 2006-2010. Compounded by the fact that in 2012 while the Colts drafted Luck, we could have signed Manning, but instead extended Schaub only to cut Schaub one year into his extension and Watch Manning go to yet another Superbowl. Oh, and what? The Colts will dominate for yet another 15 years. **** this, I have better thing to do. Wake me when McNair wakes up.
 
I know many don't want to hear this and would much prefer a change BUT Fitzpatrick IS the best QB on the Texans roster.
 
Calm your ass's down people.

BOB has molded this offense around Kubiaks players to at least be competitive this season. Know why everyone is bitching that he is no different than Kubiak? because we run a **** ton of zone stretch. BOB promised a multi faceted offense that could switch week to week depending on the opponent.

Well guess what? We have the personnel for a ZBS team so that is all we pretty much run with a scattering of a power game. He is doing what he can with what he has. I guarantee the roster churn this coming off season will be a LOT more than it was last off season. Example: we have a seriously undersized center who can excel in a full ZBS scheme but gets eaten alive in anything else.

So just calm your butts down and relax
 
DX-TEX said:
Calm your ass's down people.

BOB has molded this offense around Kubiaks players to at least be competitive this season. Know why everyone is bitching that he is no different than Kubiak? because we run a **** ton of zone stretch. BOB promised a multi faceted offense that could switch week to week depending on the opponent.

Well guess what? We have the personnel for a ZBS team so that is all we pretty much run with a scattering of a power game. He is doing what he can with what he has. I guarantee the roster churn this coming off season will be a LOT more than it was last off season. Example: we have a seriously undersized center who can excel in a full ZBS scheme but gets eaten alive in anything else.

So just calm your butts down and relax
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the zone blocking scheme, with Foster as its main weapon, is the only thing that's halfway working.
it sure as hell ain't his version of the N.E. offense.
and it damn sure isn't his hand-picked QBs
And if his skill at "roster churn" is demonstrated by his judgement at selecting QBs, this team is doomed to suckage until he's run out of town
 
ObsiWan said:
the zone blocking scheme, with Foster as its main weapon, is the only thing that's halfway working.
it sure as hell ain't his version of the N.E. offense.
and it damn sure isn't his hand-picked QBs
And if his skill at "roster churn" is demonstrated by his judgement at selecting QBs, this team is doomed to suckage until he's run out of town
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Well, actually it is his NE offense. It's just that he had Tom Brady and we have some sort of Wookie humanoid.
 
DX-TEX said:
Calm your ass's down people.

BOB has molded this offense around Kubiaks players to at least be competitive this season. Know why everyone is bitching that he is no different than Kubiak? because we run a **** ton of zone stretch. BOB promised a multi faceted offense that could switch week to week depending on the opponent.

Well guess what? We have the personnel for a ZBS team so that is all we pretty much run with a scattering of a power game. He is doing what he can with what he has. I guarantee the roster churn this coming off season will be a LOT more than it was last off season. Example: we have a seriously undersized center who can excel in a full ZBS scheme but gets eaten alive in anything else.

So just calm your butts down and relax
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I agree with this. I strongly believe we're going to see a massive, enormous house cleaning of the roster. I think it will be dramatic, and it will be ugly.
 
houstonspartan said:
I agree with this. I strongly believe we're going to see a massive, enormous house cleaning of the roster. I think it will be dramatic, and it will be ugly.
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Not buying this or at least that it was the plan all along. They could have done a lot more this offseason in their "freebie " 1st year.
 
houstonspartan said:
I agree with this. I strongly believe we're going to see a massive, enormous house cleaning of the roster. I think it will be dramatic, and it will be ugly.
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Nah. There might be the usual few players in and out, but not a house cleaning. Otherwise, they would've done it this past offseason. Heck, we trotted Fitz out as our starter this season, so we kinda knew we'd suck this year anyways
 
EVOLVIST said:
Josh McGown, Mark Sanchez, Chad Henne. Not a bumper crop, but what would make OB & Co. Think Fitz was better?
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McCown was going nowhere except to Lovie and was benched after 2.5 games for a bad team, Sanchez was a possibility but notoriously played scared, and Henne was the worst QB in the league last year. So yes, Fitz was better than those. Matt Cassel was the closest, and he chose what he thought would be someplace he's get a longer look in Minnesota than Houston who was expected at the time to select QB #1.

houstonspartan said:
I strongly believe we're going to see a massive, enormous house cleaning of the roster.
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Our roster has already turned over more than 50% from last year. That's a lot. I'm expecting more in the 10/15 range next offseason depending on what we can do in free agency.

DX-TEX said:
So just calm your butts down and relax
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Brisco_County said:
Ok.
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Seriously.
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We lost to what some people rank as the 4th best team in NFL... after losing both our starting CBs in the 1st Quarter... with FitzBeard at QB... and losing our best offensive player... and we could have been tied with 12:00 minutes to go... :overreact:
 
Playoffs said:
We lost to what some people rank as the 4th best team in NFL... after losing both our starting CBs in the 1st Quarter... with FitzBeard at QB... and losing our best offensive player... and we could have been tied with 12:00 minutes to go... :overreact:
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It really is amazing how quickly the fan base has got the noose ready for O'Brien. He has a 2-14 team sitting at 4-5 and people already think he's not the answer.

IMO, this all stems from the QB situation. People want their guy at QB and aren't going to give OB a chance until that happens. We could be 1-8 with Mallett at QB and he'd have more leash with the fan base because he'd be "trying to see what we have".
 
WolverineFan said:
It really is amazing how quickly the fan base has got the noose ready for O'Brien. He has a 2-14 team sitting at 4-5 and people already think he's not the answer.

IMO, this all stems from the QB situation. People want their guy at QB and aren't going to give OB a chance until that happens. We could be 1-8 with Mallett at QB and he'd have more leash with the fan base because he'd be "trying to see what we have".
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There is some of that but no that is not the only source of complaining. We are seeing nothing of the special weekly game plans. Our TEs have become invisible along with the entire middle of the field. We take very few shots down field. We inexplicably essentially refuse to run boots. Our scheme rarely busts receivers open like we used to regularly. Garret Graham didn't get worse than last year and he has gone from 42 ypg (and 5 TD's) to 15 ypg (and 0 TD's).

I'm by no means on a noose train for OB yet, but I will say I'm less than impressed. (Meanwhile Kubiak has the Ravens offense from 25th to 8th and Flacco having the best year of his career).
 
WolverineFan said:
IMO, this all stems from the QB situation. People want their guy at QB and aren't going to give OB a chance until that happens. We could be 1-8 with Mallett at QB and he'd have more leash with the fan base because he'd be "trying to see what we have".
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Sort-of.

If he weren't saying, "The whole team needs to play better." or "We have to coach better." so much. We all know that. I also don't think we'd be happier about being 1-8 with Mallet... we traded for him (regardless what we gave up) & if he played as poorly as Fitz has, we wouldn't be happy at all.


Continuing to throw Fitz out there & saying, "We can't point to just the QB." When we're not. We're pointing at him & his QB. If that's all he expected from his QB, why did we get rid of Yates? That money could have been used to bring in a Rolando McClain, or a Brandon Lloyd, or something that could help... Fitz ain't helping.

& it's not just Tj Yates, Case Keenum. I know around here you can't say that without being called a UH homer, but for me it could have been Chad Henne, or Charlie Whitehurst. It doesn't matter. You already have two worthless QBs on the roster, why sign another for $4M/yr then trade away a future draft pick for another if all you're going to do is hand the ball off to Arian Foster.

& don't tell me it's because they couldn't grasp the offense. 9 weeks in & Fitzpatrick hasn't grasped it either.
 
WolverineFan said:
It really is amazing how quickly the fan base has got the noose ready for O'Brien. He has a 2-14 team sitting at 4-5 and people already think he's not the answer.

IMO, this all stems from the QB situation. People want their guy at QB and aren't going to give OB a chance until that happens. We could be 1-8 with Mallett at QB and he'd have more leash with the fan base because he'd be "trying to see what we have".
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I think what people are more upset about is this Kubiak like mentality to stick with a guy who is sucking, week after week all the while saying the same things Kubes said about improving on coaching and players playing.

To me that is what is irritating
 
EllisUnit said:
I think what people are more upset about is this Kubiak like mentality to stick with a guy who is sucking, week after week all the while saying the same things Kubes said about improving on coaching and players playing.

To me that is what is irritating
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I admit that is irritating but let's imagine for a minute that Fitz actually is the best QB on this team. That's a depressing thought but let's just examine it from that point of view.

Coaches are judged on wins and losses. And even in a "freebie" year it is going to be hard for a coach to pull a starting QB and replace him with a guy he thinks is worse. It's going to lead to more losses. And that's not good.

I'm not saying I agree with O'Brien's approach, but I certainly understand it. Coaches are given less time to win than ever before. So no coach is going to make a move that he thinks will lead to more losses.

Having said that, I've said from the beginning that if the playoffs are out of the picture by the bye week (and even in our wildest dreams I think we can all agree that this isn't a playoff team) then I think the move will be made.
 
bah007 said:
I admit that is irritating but let's imagine for a minute that Fitz actually is the best QB on this team. That's a depressing thought but let's just examine it from that point of view.

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I can't imagine... I don't want to imagine a world where my HC knowingly trades for a guy he knows is not better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. I don't want to do it.

Instead, I chose to believe they know Mallet can be better, but they're trying to sign him to a long term deal before he has any leverage.

I don't know how good he is. I don't know that this was a play off team had Mallet started earlier. But I knew we weren't a play off team with Fitzpatrick starting. I knew we'd be fighting to get to .500 with Fitzpatrick at QB.

If I were a coach & never had to coach either guy, just from what I've seen on TV, I'd have started Mallet the first chance I got after the Cowboy game. He is who he is & there ain't no fixing it.

But if I had coached Mallet three years ago, if I had a guy who was a coach on Mallet's team the last three years, & we made the decision to trade for him.... I don't care what we gave up, before I put Fitzpatrick out there with that game plan for a rookie, I'm throwing Mallet out there.
 
bah007 said:
I admit that is irritating but let's imagine for a minute that Fitz actually is the best QB on this team. That's a depressing thought but let's just examine it from that point of view.

Coaches are judged on wins and losses. And even in a "freebie" year it is going to be hard for a coach to pull a starting QB and replace him with a guy he thinks is worse. It's going to lead to more losses. And that's not good.

I'm not saying I agree with O'Brien's approach, but I certainly understand it. Coaches are given less time to win than ever before. So no coach is going to make a move that he thinks will lead to more losses.

Having said that, I've said from the beginning that if the playoffs are out of the picture by the bye week (and even in our wildest dreams I think we can all agree that this isn't a playoff team) then I think the move will be made.
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BUT how do we know, no one will ever know if O'brien does not make a change.

AND the luck of the Texans is they will not give Mallett a shot, and he will sign with Tennessee and go on to win 7 Superbowls :kitten:
 
EllisUnit said:
If O'brien sticks with Fitz after the bye week then i have lost all faith in him. Is it to much to ask for to have a coach with some balls.
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I think you are one game off. Next ROAD game at Cleveland there will be 7 games remaining/16 Total games equals ~43.75% of season snaps. The following HOME game against Cincinnati there will be 6 games remaining/16 Total games equals ~37.5% of season snaps. That keeps the conditional draft pick under he trigger of 40%. Also 4 of those 6 are home games making it an optimal time for early success for a new QB.

Just a bit of long term planning, rather than short term fan appeasement might be what is going on.
 
WolverineFan said:
It really is amazing how quickly the fan base has got the noose ready for O'Brien. He has a 2-14 team sitting at 4-5 and people already think he's not the answer.

IMO, this all stems from the QB situation. People want their guy at QB and aren't going to give OB a chance until that happens. We could be 1-8 with Mallett at QB and he'd have more leash with the fan base because he'd be "trying to see what we have".
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That is not true. Just last year we saw that putting in a young QB was only good for a couple of games before the vultures were out.
 
EllisUnit said:
BUT how do we know, no one will ever know if O'brien does not make a change.

AND the luck of the Texans is they will not give Mallett a shot, and he will sign with Tennessee and go on to win 7 Superbowls :kitten:
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I would ask you not to put this curse on us but who am I kidding? This is Houston, we're already cursed.

My answer would be that O'Brien must think he knows. If Mallett never sees the field then that tells me that he knew all along that Mallett was never anything more than a backup we brought in to keep Savage off the field at all costs.

If Mallett does see the field then it tells me that Fitz gives us the better chance to win but we're not entirely sure what we have in Mallett and want to find out. There's no other reason to wait this long.

If winning is the most important thing then we won't see Mallett, otherwise we would have already. That's why I asked the question earlier about if we were to tank with Mallett playing.

Marshall said:
...Just a bit of long term planning, rather than short term fan appeasement might be what is going on.
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Probably the most logical sentence in this thread. But logic doesn't appease the fans, change does.
 
WolverineFan said:
It really is amazing how quickly the fan base has got the noose ready for O'Brien. He has a 2-14 team sitting at 4-5 and people already think he's not the answer.

IMO, this all stems from the QB situation. People want their guy at QB and aren't going to give OB a chance until that happens. We could be 1-8 with Mallett at QB and he'd have more leash with the fan base because he'd be "trying to see what we have".
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I think some of this stems from play calling and time management.

At this point I think wins only hurt our draft next year. Which Smith will blow anyway if he's still here.
 
WolverineFan said:
It really is amazing how quickly the fan base has got the noose ready for O'Brien. He has a 2-14 team sitting at 4-5 and people already think he's not the answer.

IMO, this all stems from the QB situation. People want their guy at QB and aren't going to give OB a chance until that happens. We could be 1-8 with Mallett at QB and he'd have more leash with the fan base because he'd be "trying to see what we have".
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^^^^
This
 
bah007 said:
My answer would be that O'Brien must think he knows.
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I think this overstates the clarity of the situation. Quality of play, best chance, etc. are a total mixed bag of objective and subjective factors. It's a trap many a coach has fallen into thinking they know who is best, or defaulting to a vet when in doubt. That's a general statement.

More particular to our specific scenario, these guys are damn near opposites of each other and I think that makes the evaluation harder. Huge arm v. passable. Mobile v. passable. Precise but not real accurate v. accurate but not precise. Leaning analysis paralysis v. leaning impulsive. Vet v. completely untried in real games.
 
Marshall said:
That is not true. Just last year we saw that putting in a young QB was only good for a couple of games before the vultures were out.
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Yeah, it may happen more times than not, but that doesn't keep you from trying. Nobody coming into the NFL is proven until they play real live games. You have to see what they're made of so you can base your decision on where you need to go.

It's like playing the lottery, you don't win if you don't play, but if you do play you may win.

Right now, I see it as having two lottery tickets in your possession(Mallett and Savage). You can't say to yourself you are not going to win when you haven't even checked the numbers.
 
TejasTom said:
At this point I think wins only hurt our draft next year. Which Smith will blow anyway if he's still here.
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That may be true from a draft perspective. But I think the team is better in the long run if they win every game they can. Winning is a habit, so is losing.
 
bah007 said:
...If Mallett never sees the field then that tells me that he knew all along that Mallett was never anything more than a backup we brought in to keep Savage off the field at all costs...
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We sure negotiated and paid for Mallett like he was no more than a backup.
 
Playoffs said:
We sure negotiated and paid for Mallett like he was no more than a backup.
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That's been my point all along. I have no problem with Mallett playing, but I don't expect to see anything better than what I'm seeing right now.

Probably longer plays down the field will open up but at the expense of more sacks and more turnovers so it will be a wash.
 
infantrycak said:
I think this overstates the clarity of the situation. Quality of play, best chance, etc. are a total mixed bag of objective and subjective factors. It's a trap many a coach has fallen into thinking they know who is best, or defaulting to a vet when in doubt. That's a general statement.

More particular to our specific scenario, these guys are damn near opposites of each other and I think that makes the evaluation harder. Huge arm v. passable. Mobile v. passable. Precise but not real accurate v. accurate but not precise. Leaning analysis paralysis v. leaning impulsive. Vet v. completely untried in real games.
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I won't deny that. But isn't that what fans tend to do most of the time anyway? The situation is always more complex than it appears to be from a fan's perspective.

All I'm saying is that if winning is the most important thing then the decision to change QBs is not really as easy as it appears to be. I can understand why O'Brien would go with the known vs. the unknown. I'm not even saying I agree with that, just that I understand it.
 
bah007 said:
The key part of the transaction to me is that nobody else was willing to give more than we did, and the Pats still made the deal.
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Doesn't matter what team we're talking about. We're still talking about a guy on the last year of his contract. What would you give for an unproven QB on the last year of his contract? This year's seventh?

Then he starts, shows what he can do if he sucks, no big deal. But if he flashes potential, then your rival picks him up in the offseason because they're willing to overpay for him & you're not.
 
bah007 said:
The key part of the transaction to me is that nobody else was willing to give more than we did, and the Pats still made the deal.
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To be honest, his highest/best use is in the offense he's been trained in. Not exactly a West Coast/Read-Option kinda guy. :highfive:
 
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