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Texans gonna finally beat the colts?

GuerillaBlack said:
Disagree. We all know the Texans' record against the Colts. The Colts also went to the Super Bowl last season. Beating them would boost our confidence up tremendously. Much different than opening up against the Jets (last year) or Miami (few years before that)...
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Losing the Jets game cost us a playoff berth maybe even a SB. We know this as fact. I'm not so sure how beating the Colts in the opener will affect us next season. I remember going into week 2 on top of the world in 2002. The first game means less as the season progresses on. I'm still laughing at the high flying (was it 6-0?) start by Denver.

The Colts got knocked down a peg by a "finesse" team in the SB, a term that I'd be comfortable with when referring to the Texans. Being demoralized on the grandest of all football stages does something to a team. The 18-1 Patriots come to mind. I wasn't as scared of them in week 17 of last year than I'd ever been. I'm more concerned of the Colts in Indianapolis than in Houston. I'd wager half a penny that we'd have far more confidence coming off a win in Indy than the season opener at home. Imagine if Kris had not shanked that kick in Indianapolis...

Confidence is overrated. Just do the job and win the game. Egos do not win football games. Hard work does. All 16 games matter. Period. Losing the opener isn't the end of the world. 15 games left to recover.

I fully expect to lose at Indianapolis twice. Both times are "loads of preparation" sort of games, a season opener and returning from a BYE week. We have not had much success with either. We return to a lull in our play. We lack coaching for that. Time off is not our friend...
 
The Texans have already won once against the Manning's so it has been proven the talent is there. Anything could happen. Will the Texans beat the Manning's again? No one knows for sure. The game does have to be called fairly for both teams though and the Texans have to come out ready to play smash mouth football from the second that clock starts ticking. They have to play with who they have. They won't have Cushing. Fine, his replacement must still play with a take no prisoner's mentality. That is what good teams have players who step in and fill voids for others when they are out. Everytime they have a chance to legally hit Manning in the balls they should do so. Limiting their mistakes and that includes Gary too. Everyone knows the Texans keys to winning against the Manning's including the Texans but they have only shown once in their history confidence to defeat the Manning's and that has to change. It would also be nice to the game called correctly but I don't see that coming about anytime soon. Good teams over come those hard factors of the game so the Texans have to stop beating the Texans and show not only are they ready to beat the Manning's once again but finnally ready to compete nose to nose with them for the title in the AFC South. We are all ready for that day and my nose hair is getting longer.
 
I think Gary might still be on the hot seat next season even though his contract was extended at the end of this season.
 
I wouldnt sleep on the cheifs or Oakland either

last time we went to the black hole we Lossed and the cheifs can throw down has well IMO
 
Lucky said:
Look, I think you make some good points. But when you say stuff like the Texans played "damn good football" versus the Jets, I just throw my hands up in the air. That game was a pathetic display by the Texans. They were manhandled on both sides of the ball. The Jets staff and scheme dominated the Texans staff (outcoached just isn't a strong enough word). And in my eyes, from what I saw on the field and the sidelines, the team quit. I can't be convinced otherwise.
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I meant to say there were some good points in that game. They didn't play 4 quarters on both sides of the ball. You're right. There was also some "quiting" going on there, which adds to my point about it being a question of maturity, and not confidence.
 
NitroHonda said:
Confidence is overrated. Just do the job and win the game. Egos do not win football games. Hard work does. All 16 games matter. Period. Losing the opener isn't the end of the world. 15 games left to recover.
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I'll agree with this.

However, If we're out to prove these aren't your daddy's Texans... that we've turned THE corner, beating Indy in week 1 would go a long way towards proving that.

We're not particularly strong week 1 (unless we're playing a shell of a Kansas City team), and we aren't particularly good at putting the Colts away.

Two birds, one stone.
 
We need to come out swinging, with a new attitude from day one.

I hope being so close, yet having nothing to show for it, made this a hell of a off season for the team, and there's a massive chip sitting on their shoulders.
 
Just a question.

How many Colts games did you watch in 2009?

2009 was a bad year for me, and it was all I could do to watch every Texans' game. Good thing they play NFL Replay in the offseason.

I'm watching the Colts/Ravens now. Dem are some lucky bastids if I ever did see one.

:kitten:
 
thunderkyss said:
Just a question.

How many Colts games did you watch in 2009?

2009 was a bad year for me, and it was all I could do to watch every Texans' game. Good thing they play NFL Replay in the offseason.

I'm watching the Colts/Ravens now. Dem are some lucky bastids if I ever did see one.

:kitten:
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Don't good teams make their own luck?
 
mariowillshine15 said:
I think it's more like good teams keep it together long enough for mediocre/bad teams to implode.
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I think you are probably spot on with this. I think Colts fans have learned to never panic because they have been down so many times but come back to win with a couple of Houston games being huge examples of that.
 
thunderkyss said:
Great first post. I think Solomon & Rod hit on some key points, and I think they did a good job reviewing the Texans.

I think Solomon hit the nail on the head... there is a mental block there, that we have got to get over.
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Might be mental. My book says the Colts are just a smarter football team over all than we are. They are champions who find ways to win desperately lost games in the fourth quarter. And the Texans so far are not. We'll see if we learned anything form '09 and they get off to a better beginning in that first game. With Cushing they could generate pressure. Without him, someone will have to step up. The game will be huge for Barwin, Okoye , Earl Mitchel and Mario Williams. The key to Manning is getting him on the ground early in the game. Once you do that he isn't the same quarterback. There are very few who can beat his release and his mind however early in the game.
 
steelbtexan said:
Bottom line is unless Kubes makes the playoffs next year these same ? will keep being asked.

There will always be excuses Cushing being suspended will be exhibit no.1 next offseason,injuries,bad calls etc....

Until they make the playoffs I'm really not interested in hearing the excuses any longer.
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I'm not really sure that blowing the team up and starting over is a good fix. And I've always thought that it was a function of the degree of talent on the roster Kubiak and Smith inherited was the degree we heard the changing the coach thing. He defiantly picked and developed a top five QB. He/They have definitely improved the quality of the personnel on the roster. At some point potential has to grow up and start playing to win the division. And that responsibility is squarely on the shoulders of the players whom are making the fat checks. Kubiak can't play for them. No doubt he'll be the first one out the door. However it is foolish to believe a non WCO Denver guy will not blow up the team and replace the players on the current roster with his players. The last time I check all the Denver WCO guys are currently in Houston and Washington. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. How changing out coaches helps beat Manning and the Colts is really beyond me? Last time we switched it took us three years to catch up is all I know.
 
You dont have to blow up the team if you get a new HC. Schaub,AJ,Cushing etc.. can play in any system. Building through the draft is great. But the thingy is while Smithiak are building through the draft the Colts are supplementing through the draft. (See the Hughes draft pick) As long as Manning stays healthy I dont see the Texans catching up any time soon.

Until Smithiak fix the interior of the OL/DL the Texans will continue to be an average team. IMHO Maybe adding Mitchell is a step in the right direction.

TTP tell me how do you feel about the Texans ability to block all of the 3-4 defenses they will be seeing this year. The interior OL will be tested like never before next year. It doesn't look promising to me. I would rather see the OL being rebuilt 1st so that the 48 mil that was invested in Schaub doesn't go to waste.

How long are you willing to give Kubes before you think a change needs to be made?
 
steelbtexan said:
You dont have to blow up the team if you get a new HC. Schaub,AJ,Cushing etc.. can play in any system. Building through the draft is great. But the thingy is while Smithiak are building through the draft the Colts are supplementing through the draft. (See the Hughes draft pick) As long as Manning stays healthy I dont see the Texans catching up any time soon.

Until Smithiak fix the interior of the OL/DL the Texans will continue to be an average team. IMHO Maybe adding Mitchell is a step in the right direction.

TTP tell me how do you feel about the Texans ability to block all of the 3-4 defenses they will be seeing this year. The interior OL will be tested like never before next year. It doesn't look promising to me. I would rather see the OL being rebuilt 1st so that the 48 mil that was invested in Schaub doesn't go to waste.

How long are you willing to give Kubes before you think a change needs to be made?
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I think they should of moved up and drafted Iupati. But that's water under the bridge now.

And you can look at any coaching switch you want with the exception of Oakland, and if the new guy has any credibility at all with the owner, the roster just isn't different after three drafts, it's radically different. and it will be the same here if Gruden or whom ever comes in to replace Kubiak. If it's Gruden the first thing that will be "re worked" is the o-line. If it's Cower , or dick Labeau they will be switching back to the 3-4 and our ends will have to go. Meaning they'll have to move Mario for draft picks. . Just the way it is on the other side of the greener pasture. A coaching switch is not benign like a lot of posters tend to believe.
 
threetoedpete said:
Just the way it is on the other side of the greener pasture. A coaching switch is not benign like a lot of posters tend to believe.
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Bob McNair brought Dan Reeves in, in 2005. He asked him, if we had the talent to win. Dan obviously told him that we had.

I honestly thought we did, I've still got a Jason Babin jersey around here somewhere.

But I believe one of the reasons McNair got Kubiak, & I was very excited about getting him as well, was that we wouldn't have to rebuild much. We were still going to run a zone running scheme, the backs were still going to be a big part of the passing game, and we were still going to ball control our way to a win over the Colts.

So either Reeves was wrong, or Kubiak wasn't good enough to win with the talent he was given. I like to believe it was a little bit of both.

At the time, my "stance" was pretty much what it is now. That we had players that just needed an opportunity to prove they could be play-makers. The only difference, is that the players Kubiak put on the team actually show they have the ability to make plays.

I was wrong in 2005, and I may be wrong now, but I believe (in my heart of hearts), the talent we have now, can win, and win big almost in spite of whatever coach we have in 2010, and 2011. So while I know a new coach will be bringing in "his guys" and getting rid of some of "our guys," I don't think he could do enough "damage" to stop us from winning in the near future.

My concern, is where will we be in 2012 and beyond.

I know Kubiak has got some problems, he wasn't ready to be a head coach, and he's had to learn a lot on the job. But, I am confident he's going to get it, and I think his upside is much higher than a Gruden, or a Chin, or a Fischer, if they were to come in right now.

I also feel the way he is building our team, is going to set us up for success, for a long, long time.

We aren't the overnight success that the Patriots were, or the Colts were :sarcasm: but I think Kubiak is in it for the long haul.
 
threetoedpete said:
I think they should of moved up and drafted Iupati. But that's water under the bridge now.

And you can look at any coaching switch you want with the exception of Oakland, and if the new guy has any credibility at all with the owner, the roster just isn't different after three drafts, it's radically different. and it will be the same here if Gruden or whom ever comes in to replace Kubiak. If it's Gruden the first thing that will be "re worked" is the o-line. If it's Cower , or dick Labeau they will be switching back to the 3-4 and our ends will have to go. Meaning they'll have to move Mario for draft picks. . Just the way it is on the other side of the greener pasture. A coaching switch is not benign like a lot of posters tend to believe.
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Agree

We've waited on Kubes for four years to bring a winner to Houston.

How much more time does he need? How much more time would you give him?
 
thunderkyss said:
Bob McNair brought Dan Reeves in, in 2005. He asked him, if we had the talent to win. Dan obviously told him that we had.

I honestly thought we did, I've still got a Jason Babin jersey around here somewhere.

But I believe one of the reasons McNair got Kubiak, & I was very excited about getting him as well, was that we wouldn't have to rebuild much. We were still going to run a zone running scheme, the backs were still going to be a big part of the passing game, and we were still going to ball control our way to a win over the Colts.

So either Reeves was wrong, or Kubiak wasn't good enough to win with the talent he was given. I like to believe it was a little bit of both.

At the time, my "stance" was pretty much what it is now. That we had players that just needed an opportunity to prove they could be play-makers. The only difference, is that the players Kubiak put on the team actually show they have the ability to make plays.

I was wrong in 2005, and I may be wrong now, but I believe (in my heart of hearts), the talent we have now, can win, and win big almost in spite of whatever coach we have in 2010, and 2011. So while I know a new coach will be bringing in "his guys" and getting rid of some of "our guys," I don't think he could do enough "damage" to stop us from winning in the near future.

My concern, is where will we be in 2012 and beyond.

I know Kubiak has got some problems, he wasn't ready to be a head coach, and he's had to learn a lot on the job. But, I am confident he's going to get it, and I think his upside is much higher than a Gruden, or a Chin, or a Fischer, if they were to come in right now.

I also feel the way he is building our team, is going to set us up for success, for a long, long time.

We aren't the overnight success that the Patriots were, or the Colts were :sarcasm: but I think Kubiak is in it for the long haul.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
I hate the Colts there not even in the SOuth LOL


We live in the South well we live in texas this should be our DIVISON we should be the KINGS !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well on a bright note it looks like Reggie Wayne is holding out for a new contract. (fingers crossed)
 
Grforces said:
It's just not coming together and I feel like alot of that is on the coaching. Like someone said, the talent is more then there.
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Have you met Second Honeymoon? Has he invited you for coffee? I'm sure he will be soon. Just don't bash the safeties on the first date...

:kitten:

Mike
 
gary said:
I don't. I'd rather see the Texans win against a team with everyone playing.
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I just want to see the Texans win and I don't care who is playing...

:fans:
 
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infantrycak said:
Exactly. It is what it is on any given Sunday in the NFL.

Some days the bear eats you. Some days you eat the bear.
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True, but first stringers beating second or third stringers/any backups is not completly ideal but that is JMO.
 
They don't put asterisks next to wins because certain players were injured/holding out.
 
b0ng said:
They don't put asterisks next to wins because certain players were injured/holding out.
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Still, if my team had a chance to knock Peyton Manning on his butt and beat him head to head then I'd rather them do that but that does not mean I woulld not take a win against the backup QB. That just means I hold my team to a higher standard and love it when they beat a great team while they are playing at their greatest level. There is not anything wrong with that but if a player does not play for any reason whatsoever there isn't anything I can do about it then so be it.
 
The NFL Network will be showing the Colts versus the Texans at noon today. Maybe this will be the Texans chance to finally beat the Colts? Maybe if the can jump out to a 17 point lead, they can hold Indy off?

Maybe not.
 
Anyone watching the replay? That late 2nd quarter drive stalled on 3rd &1 when Kubiak and Baby Shanny decided they couldn't get a yard running the ball. That has to change this season.
 
Horrible decision by Schaub to throw into triple coverage on initial 3rd quarter drive. When will Schaub become an elite QB? When he stops making bone-headed throws like that.
 
Those 3 Schaub turnovers in the 2nd half killed the Texans chances. Elite QBs don't fall apart like that. When you look back over the 4 game losing streak, Schaub put up numbers. But, he didn't make enough positive game changing plays. Schaub has to get better this year.

An improved running should help. Schaub also needs his playmakers on the field. More Jacoby Jones and a healthy Steve Slaton. I think Schaub can get better. But let's not kid ourselves into believing last year's Schaub is good enough.
 
Yeah, just watched it again. They lost again. Not sure what it will take but I believe all the pieces are there. As mentioned before by many folks they're still a very young team. I believe, even with being tied with the Tacks, with the toughest schedule in the league we'll see an improved '10 team.

Blast away :smooch:
 
Lucky said:
Anyone watching the replay? That late 2nd quarter drive stalled on 3rd &1 when Kubiak and Baby Shanny decided they couldn't get a yard running the ball. That has to change this season.
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1st Qtr: 13:53 3rd & 1 ball on our 29 yard line
Ace Set, Slaton in the backfield. Off Right Tackle, pick up of 3 yards.

We were playing the Colts. Ranked 24th in rushing defense. We ran the ball 21 times, for 113 yards. Slaton avg 5.7 on the ground, Chris Brown avg 5.1 on the ground. We were getting positive yards on nearly every play.

We really don't know why Kubiak and Shanahan went with a pass in that situation. Maybe they got too cute. Maybe they didn't want to be predictable.

Yes... we have had issues running the ball. This years problem has been mostly fumbling.
 
Why does Matt throw into TRIPLE COVERAGE ???????

Why did Matt throw the ball right on the numbers to the colts LB Session ????

WHy did matt dip his arm back like that to throw the ball only to get it stripped good qb never do that

it all went down hill when the reff called a bogus pently on Reeves that was such a BS call
 
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