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He wasn't drafted in my league. I picked him up last week and started him this week. And won my game. YAY ME!!!

He won for me too. my WRs did horrible to mediocre pointwise (Anquan Boldin had 4 points! Reggie Wayne had 7!) and I had Chester Taylor only getting 3! Carr (17), Steven Jackson (20) and the Titans horrible offense (22)(Cowboys D picked up in FA hahaha) won the game for me. Owen Daniels didn't get any touches :confused: I wish I had known the TE gameplan going into the game, I would have kept Ben Watson in the starting lineup. Oh well, I still have Akers kicking tonight.... anyway back on topic.


GO TEXANS!!!:redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel:
 
I don't agree....just look at Steve McNair and his pedestrian stat lines over and over though the years.

Since when is a 7.0 ypa and an 8:5 TD/int pedestrian?

While Boller's stats last year are comperable to McNair's stats this year (exception: boller throws a lot more picks than McNair), if they remain that way for 16 games, the Ravens are likely to miss the playoffs once again.
 
Another Carr thread! :hides:

God forbid I open my mouth, for people will quickly try to slam the :homer: tag on me.

On second thought, I will. I have been supporting Carr for as long as he has been here. The anti-Carr crowd have never had a strong argument, as far as I am concerned. Agreed, he has not played anywhere close to what a starting QB should. But he has payed his due. He has played behind one of the worst O-lines in the history of this sport, yet he is still healthy and improving very much. He has always had what it took to be a starter and beyond. I am one of the proud and the few who supported him through his worst stretches. I will never understand how so many people were always so eager to blame him. Some people just never cease to amaze me, especially today.

If I am a :homer: for knowing that this kid was going to be a stud all along.... go ahead and label me as that.
 
Just thought it was interesting that Sean Salisbury mentioned Carr this morning in reference to an example of a QB who started right away having success later in their career. He was addressing Vince Young's struggles and whether or not a QB should have a start early in their careers, and he basically said Carr looked rough at first but he's turned out well.

Don't get me wrong, Salisbury is a blow hard, but just thought it was interesting that Carr might become the latest poster boy for high status QB's who struggle early in their career. It's taken Carr a while to develop, and I'm of the opinion that alot of that can be tagged on the previous coaching and talent around him. The guy's always had the tools, he just needed the right help on and off the field.
 
I don't agree....just look at Steve McNair and his pedestrian stat lines over and over though the years. What you don't see are his key 3rd down conversions and him making bad plays into good plays...you don't see his will to win in key drives giving his team a chance to win. His stats aren't much better than Kyle Boller but that team is a hell of a team with McNair...and an inconsistant team with Boller. Stats are for fantasy football and to back up arguments on message boards. Stats are the most overrated part of being a football fan.

Since when is a 7.0 ypa and an 8:5 TD/int pedestrian?

While Boller's stats last year are comperable to McNair's stats this year (exception: boller throws a lot more picks than McNair), if they remain that way for 16 games, the Ravens are likely to miss the playoffs once again.
Mac9 has never produced huge stat lines that lead the league, but he does things like impose his will on teams in critical drives (go reload up the last drive of the Super Bowl drive vs the Rams as an example - if Dyson gets in that is the greatest SB drive ever - McNair did it all himself as his blocking broke down play after play).

The Ratbirds don't need huge numbers to win....they just need clutch play and good decision making when the game is on the line. McNair had a poor stat day Sunday and they won, but they won because he did it when they needed it done....a pile of stats won't win games...ask Jeff George. The Ratbirds won that game because McNair is a big time clutch player....not because he piles up huge stat lines.
 
That's all well and good, but using that and ignoring stats makes you play Kurt Warner years after his prime. You have to use both (in addition to a million other things).

Of course McNair has all the intangibles to go with all his tools. That's what helped the Titans such a good team for a long time, and his stats back that up. But when he lost Eddie George, both the Titans wins AND his stats reflected it.
 
That's all well and good, but using that and ignoring stats makes you play Kurt Warner years after his prime. You have to use both (in addition to a million other things).

I don't get that...please explain...
 
That's all well and good, but using that and ignoring stats makes you play Kurt Warner years after his prime. You have to use both (in addition to a million other things).

Of course McNair has all the intangibles to go with all his tools. That's what helped the Titans such a good team for a long time, and his stats back that up. But when he lost Eddie George, both the Titans wins AND his stats reflected it.

Even Warners stats suggests you should sit him. His INTs & fumbles in recent years have made him a liability. You play him, because you hope he can turn it around, and reclaim his early success.
 
He has thrown a lot of short passes...but you have to watch the game to know it. It's nothing to criticise him about if he is hitting the deep seam or making plays over the linebacker drops....he wasn't doing that much till lately. Now that he is finally hitting those passes everything opens up. It's not a mystery.

I get the feeling Carr has a limited faith or comfort level when he is pressured, maybe its from all those sacks over the years I dont know. but he seems to lean on the short screen to AJ when he has no immediate options. I dont think this is neccesarrily bad as he has improved his chemistry with AJ to the point it is at now. He trusts AJ, I think he trusts Daniels to a certain degree. I would love to see more corner routes and slants but I guess as long as he isnt taking a bad sack or throwing an int, I will give him the benefit of the doubt on the short screen or out to AJ. some of the responsibilty has to go to the playcalling, both before the snap and at the line. on 3rd and medium or long , you have to have routes that pick up the first down. maybe its AJ bailing him out, I dont know.
 
I don't get that...please explain...

Kurt Warner is a two time MVP. Kurt Warner won a Super Bowl and came within an Adam Venitieri kick of a second. He led the most prolific offense the NFL has ever seen.

The Giants have tried those 'intangibles', the Cardinals have tried those 'intagibles'. Both teams eventually learned what the stats should have been telling them. That hand injuries made Kurt Warner susceptible to interceptions and fumbles.
 
I get the feeling Carr has a limited faith or comfort level when he is pressured, maybe its from all those sacks over the years I dont know. but he seems to lean on the short screen to AJ when he has no immediate options. I dont think this is neccesarrily bad as he has improved his chemistry with AJ to the point it is at now. He trusts AJ, I think he trusts Daniels to a certain degree. I would love to see more corner routes and slants but I guess as long as he isnt taking a bad sack or throwing an int, I will give him the benefit of the doubt on the short screen or out to AJ. some of the responsibilty has to go to the playcalling, both before the snap and at the line. on 3rd and medium or long , you have to have routes that pick up the first down. maybe its AJ bailing him out, I dont know.

This year..... Last Sunday especially. David has faced as much pressure as he ever has, against some really good defenses. Taking those two hits & still getting the ball to AJ, and taking that other hit while still getting the ball out, are going to go much further protecting him than anything we've done in the past.

Why?? Because David is starting to scare some DCs...... sure, he's going to have to back it up, and do it again in BigD, and Jacksonville.... I predict we'll see alot less blitzes come November.
 
Kurt Warner is a two time MVP. Kurt Warner won a Super Bowl and came within an Adam Venitieri kick of a second. He led the most prolific offense the NFL has ever seen.

The Giants have tried those 'intangibles', the Cardinals have tried those 'intagibles'. Both teams eventually learned what the stats should have been telling them. That hand injuries made Kurt Warner susceptible to interceptions and fumbles.

But you can't really say thats the norm.....Maybe as a fan you look at stats, but as a coach you need to evaluate the players performance....I highly doubt Arizona and NY picked up KW because of his stats...more along the lines of potential and hoping he could get back to his form...In fact I don't think his stats were even that good when Arizona picked him up....
 
[[Gary Kubiak]];460374 said:
Carr has mastered manipulating the space aroung AJ. Wish he could do that on least 3 WR.

He will so own.


Moulds has to be 100% open for Carr to pass it to him.

I don't know. That touchdown pass against Philly looked like a jump ball to me.
 
But you can't really say thats the norm.....Maybe as a fan you look at stats, but as a coach you need to evaluate the players performance....I highly doubt Arizona and NY picked up KW because of his stats...more along the lines of potential and hoping he could get back to his form...In fact I don't think his stats were even that good when Arizona picked him up....

Exactly.
 
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