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Texans for Taylor Mays 09'

Not that I'd be opposed to Mays, just noting that every year the fans all wish for a sefty and every year they are disappionted.

Same could be said about Left Tackle but we finally got one in the 1st last year!!!

I'm big on the Branden Spikes bandwagon, if he declares I think he shoots up the draft boards. Laurinaitis seems like a good LB and fundamentally sound, but he just doesn't wow me. Mauluga reminds me of a Patrick Willis kind of LB, although not quite the "can't miss" prospect that P-Willie was. Curry seems like the real deal.
 
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Same could be said about Left Tackle but we finally got one in the 1st last year!!!

I'm big on the Branden Spikes bandwagon, if he declares I think he shoots up the draft boards. Laurinaitis seems like a good LB and fundamentally sound, but he just doesn't wow me. Mauluga reminds me of a Patrick Willis kind of LB, although not quite the "can't miss" prospect that P-Willie was. Curry seems like the read deal.

Exactly!No way in hell Orakpo slips and I don't think there will be another DE good enough to justify picking them with the 15th pick. If Mays is gone, we might as well get a freaking stud at LB to pair with Demeco that could be another Willis type of player or like Mayo was this year for the Pats. We could get a guy that could help with the blitz and in coverage.

Curry, Spikes, and Maluega all seem to have the total package of tools.
 
Not that I'd be opposed to Mays, just noting that every year the fans all wish for a sefty and every year they are disappionted.

You make a strong point. You also have to take into consideration that Kubiak was pleased with the play of Eugene Wilson and Nick Ferguson. He may feel that we can still develop a safety and thus choose to take one in the later rounds.
 
Same could be said about Left Tackle but we finally got one in the 1st last year!!!

I'm big on the Branden Spikes bandwagon, if he declares I think he shoots up the draft boards. Laurinaitis seems like a good LB and fundamentally sound, but he just doesn't wow me. Mauluga reminds me of a Patrick Willis kind of LB, although not quite the "can't miss" prospect that P-Willie was. Curry seems like the read deal.

The pining/crying for a safety far exceded any noise about a LT.

The Sean Taylor draft was the worst. Almost as bad as the Reggie Bush/VY draft.
 
Exactly!No way in hell Orakpo slips and I don't think there will be another DE good enough to justify picking them with the 15th pick. If Mays is gone, we might as well get a freaking stud at LB to pair with Demeco that could be another Willis type of player or like Mayo was this year for the Pats. We could get a guy that could help with the blitz and in coverage.

Curry, Spikes, and Maluega all seem to have the total package of tools.

Curry is higher rated than Mays
maybe Spikes in a trade down
Maluega is too slow, the Texans don't need size as much as speed
Mays projects to 49'ers #10 - Denver @ #12
like Clint Sintim, 6-3 254 OLB Virginia can be a situational pass rusher & everydown OLB
 
How do you conclude that? Landry had 12 career interceptions in college.

Mays has 4.

I can't think how you could come to the conclusion that Mays has better hands than LaRon Landry.

Sage Rosenfel is a monster in mop up duty. David Carr was actually a good NFL QB, 1 year. So stats do lie very often. Wherever there is a weakness, teams will try to attack. In the case of Landry, teams couldn't run to save their lives on LSU. There was often 3rd and longs. Throw the football! This can't be said with USC over the past few years. Their strength has been in the LB and Secondary on defense. Intermediate stuff, will limit what you see done in the secondary and on the stat sheet. I'm not disagreeing with Mays not having the ultimate ballhawking skills. But PLEASE, name me one person on the Texans secondary, that is better than him now. If he's the best available, and he will add to your team, you go get him. It's also about puttinng guys in the right position to make plays, and that will be the D-Coord's responsibility. And I'm assuming anyone will be better than Richard Smith.
 
Curry is higher rated than Mays
maybe Spikes in a trade down
Maluega is too slow, the Texans don't need size as much as speed
Mays projects to 49'ers #10 - Denver @ #12
like Clint Sintim, 6-3 254 OLB Virginia can be a situational pass rusher & everydown OLB

Aaron Curry may be the most overrated LB I have ever seen. Played in a week conference and his skill sets are limited. A few LB's should have gotten the best award over the kid. I hope he does well, but it's going to be in a system that is tailored to his limitations.
 
Aaron Curry may be the most overrated LB I have ever seen. Played in a week conference and his skill sets are limited. A few LB's should have gotten the best award over the kid. I hope he does well, but it's going to be in a system that is tailored to his limitations.

You're the only person that I've read say that about him. Every article to expert swears this guy is the real deal and has all of the tools from being a ball hawking LB, to a blitzing LB, to a side line to side line guy. I'll admit that I haven't watched him much, but I like what I've read and he seems like the kind of guy that we could use.
 
I wouldn't trade up to take Mays.
But if he's there at 15, we'd probably have to go for it.

I'm not as sure about Raji or Mauluga at that spot though they are both quite tempting.

I'd rather trade down to get a late 1st and a not so late 2nd, or two early 2nds.

#15 = 1050 points
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

We might still be able to fill three spots (a S, a CB, a DE, or a OLB) with three 2nd rouners.

Is there a big enough DT that is worth a mid 2nd ?
 
I wouldn't trade up to take Mays.
But if he's there at 15, we'd probably have to go for it.

I'm not as sure about Raji or Mauluga at that spot though they are both quite tempting.

I'd rather trade down to get a late 1st and a not so late 2nd, or two early 2nds.

#15 = 1050 points
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

We might still be able to fill three spots (a S, a CB, a DE, or a OLB) with three 2nd rouners.

Is there a big enough DT that is worth a mid 2nd ?

I'll never discount the opp to pick up late picks, but what impact player can the Texans pick up in the late 1st, or early 2nd? That's all the texans have been trying to do is plug holes over the past few years. Sure, it's good to fill a pothole, but why not get better asphalt and fix the road!:jogger:
 
I wouldn't trade up to take Mays.
But if he's there at 15, we'd probably have to go for it.

I'm not as sure about Raji or Mauluga at that spot though they are both quite tempting.

I'd rather trade down to get a late 1st and a not so late 2nd, or two early 2nds.

#15 = 1050 points
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

We might still be able to fill three spots (a S, a CB, a DE, or a OLB) with three 2nd rouners.

Is there a big enough DT that is worth a mid 2nd ?

If you trade down in the first, the best your going to get is a 3rd rounder most likely. You're not going to get a 2nd. That is highly doubtful.

I don't want to trade down really. I'd like to take the best defensive player available at 15 as long as it isn't a DT or a CB.
 
You're the only person that I've read say that about him. Every article to expert swears this guy is the real deal and has all of the tools from being a ball hawking LB, to a blitzing LB, to a side line to side line guy. I'll admit that I haven't watched him much, but I like what I've read and he seems like the kind of guy that we could use.

I saw him play on 2 different opp's and I just didn't see it. I kept looking all over the field, and couldn't find him making a play. To me, he became the product of the announcer needing someone to talk about. I don't like reading the hype machine, and usually go and watch the player. For instance, I live in H-Town and never spent too much time watching Texas. But when I saw Orakpo, now I see what all the hype is about. Ray M. The guy is everywhere. But Curry, looked to be trailing every play, and jumping on the pile, then the announcer screams "Curry, he's all over the place!". So is ignorance in america, but it starts in the white house....lol:spit:
 
If you trade down in the first, the best your going to get is a 3rd rounder most likely. You're not going to get a 2nd. That is highly doubtful.

I don't want to trade down really. I'd like to take the best defensive player available at 15 as long as it isn't a DT or a CB.

I'm with that Tex!
 
Sage Rosenfel is a monster in mop up duty. David Carr was actually a good NFL QB, 1 year. So stats do lie very often. Wherever there is a weakness, teams will try to attack. In the case of Landry, teams couldn't run to save their lives on LSU. There was often 3rd and longs. Throw the football! This can't be said with USC over the past few years. Their strength has been in the LB and Secondary on defense. Intermediate stuff, will limit what you see done in the secondary and on the stat sheet. I'm not disagreeing with Mays not having the ultimate ballhawking skills. But PLEASE, name me one person on the Texans secondary, that is better than him now. If he's the best available, and he will add to your team, you go get him. It's also about puttinng guys in the right position to make plays, and that will be the D-Coord's responsibility. And I'm assuming anyone will be better than Richard Smith.

Carr was never a good QB. Ever. He never has been and never will be anything other than one of the biggest busts in NFL draft history and someone who retarded the growth of our franchise more than anyone else.

No spin will ever change the fact that David Carr sucks.
 
If you trade down in the first, the best your going to get is a 3rd rounder most likely. You're not going to get a 2nd. That is highly doubtful.

I don't want to trade down really. I'd like to take the best defensive player available at 15 as long as it isn't a DT or a CB.
Maybe the Giants or the Steelers would trade up.

Who are some guys you think might be available at #15 that is BPA?
 
Carr was never a good QB. Ever. He never has been and never will be anything other than one of the biggest busts in NFL draft history and someone who retarded the growth of our franchise more than anyone else.

No spin will ever change the fact that David Carr sucks.

That's what I'm talking about. But if you look at his 3500 yard passing year, many media-likes, including the "great John McClain", had him poised to be the next breakout QB, due to stats. They lie often. I have family that played in the league, and friends that play now. I have watched the breakdown films with them, preparing for games. To see what they see is amazing. I asked Marlon Jackson (Indy)once, after we got off a plane in Pittsburgh, "what do you think of David Carr?" His response was, "he's not good at all" Hyped. This was the year Carr was starting to get praised. They see the film, but we get the downloaded hype, full of stats and media bias. I challenge people to turn off the sound on Tv and radio, and look at the trench battles, the WR routes, the CB coverage, and it will tell us something different. For instance, the Texans took a run at Reeves for one reason and it sounds crazy. But true. He has great cover skills. He's never truly getting scorched. Just has no ball awareness. Have seen so many times, he's right there and never turns. They thought they could teach him this aspect of the game. But, obviously, their wrong, like Dalls already knew. Ike Taylor in pgh should be rated in the top 5 cb's, but never catches the ball for int's. If he did, he would average 10/yr. It's whoever the media wants to hype and we fall into it.
 
Maybe the Giants or the Steelers would trade up.

Who are some guys you think might be available at #15 that is BPA?

Not the Steeler history. Have traded up once in the last 15 years. Hmm.....Troy Palamalu, USC. Giants, have more of a history of trading though. May want to grab a WR if available.
 
Maybe the Giants or the Steelers would trade up.

Who are some guys you think might be available at #15 that is BPA?

Curry, Malueaga, or Brandon Spikes.

One of them will be there at 15 if Mays is gone. I can guarantee you at least one of them will be there. Orakpo is the only DE that I would want that early and he'll be gone, so if we can't get Mays, the best option I see is to get a Bonafied Stud at LB that could be here for years with Demeco and help the pass rush.

Each one of these guys could do that for us. Like I said I don't know which one will be available, but with all of the teams picking before us and those teams all having individual needs of their own, there is no way that 3 LB's like that will already be off the board. One of those 3 will be there. I'd be happy with any one of these 3 guys.
 
Curry, Malueaga, or Brandon Spikes.

One of them will be there at 15 if Mays is gone. I can guarantee you at least one of them will be there. Orakpo is the only DE that I would want that early and he'll be gone, so if we can't get Mays, the best option I see is to get a Bonafied Stud at LB that could be here for years with Demeco and help the pass rush.

Each one of these guys could do that for us. Like I said I don't know which one will be available, but I'd be happy with any one of these 3 guys.

Malueaga or Spikes.....please no Curry. Please, no Curry!
 
If you trade down in the first, the best your going to get is a 3rd rounder most likely. You're not going to get a 2nd. That is highly doubtful.

Depends where you are trading down to. Above 22 or so and your are in 3rd territory. Below 22 and you are in 2nd territory.
 
Depends where you are trading down to. Above 22 or so and your are in 3rd territory. Below 22 and you are in 2nd territory.

It also depends on if the pick is this year, or next. You could probably trade down to 20-22 and get a 2nd round in 2010.
 
Some 3-4 teams at the bottom of the first round may want to trade up for these prospects like Orakpo, Brown, Selvie etc. whoever is available. Some teams just fall in love with certain players that fit their team to a T and don't want to risk those guys being gone.

At this point, I'd love Raji at #15 and wouldn't risk trading down. Our pick comes down to BPA, if it's a S take him, LB take him, DE take him..etc.

If we do trade down into the 20's, we may look at a S like William Moore and then add the other DT from BC in the late 2nd rd. He's more of just a NT/clogger where Raji blends in his NT role with being a good pass rusher too.
 
I've seen Curry play many times and he is the real deal. He makes big plays in every single game I have ever seen him in. Overrated is the last thing I would call him. He is a top 10 pick and if he impresses at the combine I would bet on him going top 5.

Also, QB stats and INT stats are two completely different things. They cannot be compared at all.

I'd also like to repeat beerlover in saying that Clint Stintim is a good player. He will most likely play outside in a 3-4 but I wouldn't count out the possibility of him playing OLB in a 4-3. He is just very solid, and not alot of hype surrounds him.
 
Mike Mayock has been the only College media scout that has earned my respect. The dude does his homework, that's for sure.

That said, he's got Curry presently listed as his #1 Senior this year. Here are his top 20 Seniors.

1 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
2 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
3 Eugene Monroe OT Virginia No bowl
4 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
5 Jason Smith OT Baylor
6 Brian Orakpo DE Texas
7 Rey Maualuga LB Southern California
8 B.J. Raji DT Boston College
9 Brian Cushing LB Southern California
10 Tyson Jackson DE LSU
11 Michael Oher OT Mississippi
12 Larry English DE/LB Northern Illinois
13 James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State
14 William Moore S Missouri
15 Clint Sintim LB Virginia
16 Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
17 Max Unger C Oregon
18 Rashad Johnson S Alabama
19 Michael Johnson DE Georgia
20 Louis Delmas S Western Michigan

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story...emplate=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
 
I've never watch Curry play, but Scott Wright at Draftvountdown had him as the #1 Senior prospect and Maualuga at #4

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php

hmm, looks like he's very different from many others.

Not to be funny 76Texan, But who is Scott Wright? The PittBull has just as much right to say Maualuga is #1 and Curry #4. Again, all we can base our opinions on, is how WE saw the player. Not a media-like, who gets paid to write a story and get it to the editor. When the combine comes, you'll see. There will be all types of highlights thrown around for us to look at. No comparison.
 
Not to be funny 76Texan, But who is Scott Wright? The PittBull has just as much right to say Maualuga is #1 and Curry #4. Again, all we can base our opinions on, is how WE saw the player. Not a media-like, who gets paid to write a story and get it to the editor. When the combine comes, you'll see. There will be all types of highlights thrown around for us to look at. No comparison.

Well I respect your opinion man. You seem pretty well informed. What I have seen of Curry though, he looks good. I just haven't seen much of him.

Bottom line though, he is shooting up the draft charts really fast and at this point I doubt that he will be there at 15 so it looks like it would be more like either Spikes or Mauluga and I would take either one.
 
Well I respect your opinion man. You seem pretty well informed. What I have seen of Curry though, he looks good. I just haven't seen much of him.

Bottom line though, he is shooting up the draft charts really fast and at this point I doubt that he will be there at 15 so it looks like it would be more like either Spikes or Mauluga and I would take either one.

Thanks Tex. Hey, who knows. I could very well be wrong. I've been wrong many times before. Just think how many of us were wrong with Mario. I for one wanted Bush, Mario Second, and never thought about Vince! But, Mario has proven to be the real deal, and I'll be wrong all day, as long as he continues to wreck havoc on Qb's.
 
I like Curry a lot myself. He is already an Outside LB as well. I'm not sure about Spikes.

If we brought either Mauluga or Spikes in though we could move them to the outside. I think it would be better to move them, because they could learn early on in camp while Demeco has already been here leading the defense and calling plays. I would rather keep the main guy who already has the chemistry with other players in the middle and move the new guy. All 3 of those guys I mentioned could play as an Outside LB. All 3 of them are really good blitzing LB's as well which would be exactly what we need to help the pass rush especially if we don't get a better DE.

When we get a new DC and start a new scheme everyone will be learning it for the first time. So not moving Ryans because he is the play caller and has familiarity playing that area shouldnt be factored in. If our scouts tink the BPA availabe is a MLB now is the time move Ryans.

I saw him play on 2 different opp's and I just didn't see it. I kept looking all over the field, and couldn't find him making a play. To me, he became the product of the announcer needing someone to talk about. I don't like reading the hype machine, and usually go and watch the player. For instance, I live in H-Town and never spent too much time watching Texas. But when I saw Orakpo, now I see what all the hype is about. Ray M. The guy is everywhere. But Curry, looked to be trailing every play, and jumping on the pile, then the announcer screams "Curry, he's all over the place!". So is ignorance in america, but it starts in the white house....lol:spit:

When I watched him I saw the same thing except I have a different out take than you. It seemed like the other team (cant remember) was purposely going away from him. Cant expect a guy to make a whole lot of plays when the offense is staying away from him. At least that is how it seemed to me.
 
When we get a new DC and start a new scheme everyone will be learning it for the first time. So not moving Ryans because he is the play caller and has familiarity playing that area shouldnt be factored in. If our scouts tink the BPA availabe is a MLB now is the time move Ryans.

Texecutioner's comment isn't directed to "knowing" the plays. Ryans was an academic All-American and is a very smart player. He is also a leader on D and extremely well respected by the other players. He is who you want with the helmet radio, calling the D and leading the D. Those factors aren't going to change with a new DC so yes they do have to be factored in.
 
When I watched him I saw the same thing except I have a different out take than you. It seemed like the other team (cant remember) was purposely going away from him. Cant expect a guy to make a whole lot of plays when the offense is staying away from him. At least that is how it seemed to me.

When I think about that, I agree. With that being said, he looks to be lumbering all over the field, rather than explosiveness. not my type of guy. But hey, again. I'd rather be wrong and watch anyone succeed, than fail.
 
When I think about that, I agree. With that being said, he looks to be lumbering all over the field, rather than explosiveness. not my type of guy. But hey, again. I'd rather be wrong and watch anyone succeed, than fail.

I see Curry as a big ball of explosiveness. Especially when making tackles. He seems to always drive his man backwards. I'm not sure if I have ever seen him miss a tackle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVXxYUH7U7c&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmnpZkypO_8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob_gCZSzVpE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuSbiawwo78&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o6Tjv01rg4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S51HwRyfAs&feature=related

This is why I love AC. He is such a good tackler. He doesn't kinda sorta tackle you. He puts you on the ground.

Then there is pass coverage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYEV0mNcb08&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GxabMuBoCg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd2Cec-e0g&feature=related

Highlights vs Maryland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwhcwCYxcas&feature=related

Highlights vs Ole Miss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy2QqhHLSH0&feature=related

Highlights vs Clemson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1waonOFv20&feature=related
 
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Texecutioner's comment isn't directed to "knowing" the plays. Ryans was an academic All-American and is a very smart player. He is also a leader on D and extremely well respected by the other players. He is who you want with the helmet radio, calling the D and leading the D. Those factors aren't going to change with a new DC so yes they do have to be factored in.


I didnt know the helment radio was restricted to the MLB position.
 
I didnt know the helment radio was restricted to the MLB position.

It's not but you generally want the guy with the helmet to be the one calling the defense... and that's almost always the MLB. The other option would be one of the safeties which is why Demps was given the second radio helmet at the beginning of the season... when they expected him to be the starter.

But having someone other than the MLB with the radio would be a rarity.
 
As badly as the Saints need a safety, I don't think there's any way that Mays makes it past us to the Texans. I doubt - highly - that he makes it as far as the Saints, anyway. But should Mays drop that far, I don't see the Saints passing on him and him still being on the board for Houston.

If Houston targets him and he's available at 14, then the Texans will have to do to the Saints what the Saints did to the Bengals in last year's draft. That is, make a trade to move up past a team you know has the same needs as you. The Bengals coveted Ellis last year but the Saints badly needed DT help and knew Cincy would take Ellis. So the Saints made the move and traded up.

If the Texans want Mays and he's there - they will need to move in front of the Saints, I think.
 
As badly as the Saints need a safety, I don't think there's any way that Mays makes it past us to the Texans. I doubt - highly - that he makes it as far as the Saints, anyway. But should Mays drop that far, I don't see the Saints passing on him and him still being on the board for Houston.

If Houston targets him and he's available at 14, then the Texans will have to do to the Saints what the Saints did to the Bengals in last year's draft. That is, make a trade to move up past a team you know has the same needs as you. The Bengals coveted Ellis last year but the Saints badly needed DT help and knew Cincy would take Ellis. So the Saints made the move and traded up.

If the Texans want Mays and he's there - they will need to move in front of the Saints, I think.

I don't see Mays making it past 12. Even if he somehow makes it as far as 14, then yes I think the Saints take him.
 

Wow! Props for taking the time to post that. Thanks a lot. You saved me a lot of time. I can just go here to find his highlights.:smiliedance:

yeah Curry looks great. I'd love to have this guy as a Texan next to Demeco. That would be a great LB duo for a long time. I think Curry will be gone by the time that we pick though personally. I have a strong feeling right now that he'll most likely be the first LB picked. The only DE's I would want over Curry is Orakpo or Maabin.
 
Wow! Props for taking the time to post that. Thanks a lot. You saved me a lot of time. I can just go here to find his highlights.:smiliedance:

yeah Curry looks great. I'd love to have this guy as a Texan next to Demeco. That would be a great LB duo for a long time. I think Curry will be gone by the time that we pick though personally. I have a strong feeling right now that he'll most likely be the first LB picked. The only DE's I would want over Curry is Orakpo or Maabin.

Curry would be my first defensive player taken. He is the best defensive player in the draft IMO and he fits a need of ours. I think if he is there and we don't take him we better have a good reason.
 
Curry would be my first defensive player taken. He is the best defensive player in the draft IMO and he fits a need of ours. I think if he is there and we don't take him we better have a good reason.

I just think that DE is our strongest need right now. Imagine if Mario gets hurt.

If we passed on Maabin or Orakpo for Curry, I wouldn't ***** though. I'd be happy to have him. :fans:
 
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