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Texans for DEFENSE with #1 pick....

Texas_Thrill

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Obviously this means a trade down but....

I'm definitely not against going defense with our first pick.

Be it AJ Hawk, Jimmy Williams....


Is anyone else in favor of addressing the Defense right now?
 
this is a strong possibility. Pbuc, Babin, Peek and Orr are all FA's some RFA some UFA. Chances are only 2 maybe 3 will be back. So this could happen. I have been trying to put this thought in peoples heads but some people are so locked in and have this tunnel vision they cant see whats really going on.
 
IMO we have one above average LB and one above average CB and a decent dline. Other than that our defense is terrible.
 
royce1054 said:
this is a strong possibility. Pbuc, Babin, Peek and Orr are all FA's some RFA some UFA. Chances are only 2 maybe 3 will be back. So this could happen. I have been trying to put this thought in peoples heads but some people are so locked in and have this tunnel vision they cant see whats really going on.
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The people out of those four I would like to see back: Buchanon, Babin, Orr. Peek can take his emotions elsewhere.

I am actually for taking the best LB in the draft as of this week, but it is not Hawk for sure. Poluz or Brooks are the two I would want to draft. And maybe Giles or Joseph or McNeil in the second.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
The people out of those four I would like to see back: Buchanon, Babin, Orr. Peek can take his emotions elsewhere.

I am actually for taking the best LB in the draft as of this week, but it is not Hawk for sure. Poluz or Brooks are the two I would want to draft. And maybe Giles or Joseph or McNeil in the second.
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Joesph is the only that might be there. McNeil has to do some serious dropping i have seen him go in the top 15 on alot of mocks. I will have to see whats going on with him. Giles will go 20-30 area. Unless we trade down and trade back up he wont be there.
 
royce1054 said:
Joesph is the only that might be there. McNeil has to do some serious dropping i have seen him go in the top 15 on alot of mocks. I will have to see whats going on with him. Giles will go 20-30 area. Unless we trade down and trade back up he wont be there.
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I think your sources are very off from everyone elses. McNeil is strictly a RT in the NFL. He is projected as an early to mid second rounder. Giles is a G, and has very little chance of going in the first. Maybe to Denver or Indy. He will not go in the 20-30 range unless a team is really reaching.
 
Feel free to chastise me for this but if we were to miss out on Reggie Bush would it make sense to draft someone like A.J. Hawk from OSU? I was thinking if we have a new coaching staff that we would likely move to a 4-3 defense, if so could Hawk play middle backer flanked by Wong, Orr or Babin and move Antwaan Peek back to DE? Just wanted to hear some thoughts. Also if this has already been covered, please direct me to the thread. Thanks.
 
Yeah, I don't see why we couldn't address any glaring weaknesses on the opposite side of the ball besides the O-Line if we can get the right player for the right position. If we can trade away Reggie Bush for more picks that help both sides and the D is an obvious 1st up choice at a lower draft position, I'm all for it, as long as it helps so we don't have this talk about #1 pick next year (2 1st overall picks in 5 yrs isn't great seat filling details)!
 
Big Tex i wouldn't be surprised at all if we moved to a 4-3 next year or in the coming years if we have a coaching change. In that case you would see Peek move to Defensive end. If that were to happen you wouldnt see Babin in a Texans uniform anymore since he doesn't fit in well. Greenwood is a good fit at mlb but i don't know how orr would stack up at olb in that scheme.
 
Holden135 said:
Big Tex i wouldn't be surprised at all if we moved to a 4-3 next year or in the coming years if we have a coaching change. In that case you would see Peek move to Defensive end. If that were to happen you wouldnt see Babin in a Texans uniform anymore since he doesn't fit in well. Greenwood is a good fit at mlb but i don't know how orr would stack up at olb in that scheme.
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I wouldn't count on that. He could probably play stronside linebacker in a 4-3....and situational pass rusher at the very least. He won't be cut.
 
Vinny said:
I wouldn't mind it if we took Mario Williams or Jimmy Williams in the first round.
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are you suggesting the Texans change schemes- to a 4-3?

but if the Texans are staying with the 3-4 I wouldn't mind if they took Haloti Ngata. He is the best NT I've ever seen coming out of College & you know whats funny (well not really) but I predicted the Texans would be picking somewhere between 18th-21st in the 06 draft, so I did not think we (the Texans) would even have a shot at him. now unless we trade down or have the 4th pick it seems like too high to draft him :brickwall
 
No way I take a nose tackle with a top 5 pick. I'd take a CB or a dominant pass rusher this high though.....
 
Vinny said:
No way I take a nose tackle with a top 5 pick. I'd take a CB or a dominant pass rusher this high though.....
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yeah I know :rolleyes:

the value side of the equation is just not there, QB-RB-WR-LT-DE-CB is more of a rough order by position. so if we have the 4th pick then Ferguson would be the logical choice.
 
beerlover said:
are you suggesting the Texans change schemes- to a 4-3?
but if the Texans are staying with the 3-4 I wouldn't mind if they took Haloti Ngata.
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I've read a lot about Ngata, but wouldn't think we'd use our top pick on him,
even if we were going to be drafting much lower than we are. Afterall, we used our #1 last year for a DT. But Ngata and his Oregon teammates play the Sooners this thursday in the Holiday Bowl and I'll be checking it out cause I've never seen this guy who some describe as "special" among D linemen.
But on the subject of us using our top pick for a D player, that for obvious
reasons becomes a stronger likehood if we do convert to the 4-3.
 
nunusguy said:
I've read a lot about Ngata, but wouldn't think we'd use our top pick on him,
even if we were going to be drafting much lower than we are. Afterall, we used our #1 last year for a DT. But Ngata and his Oregon teammates play the Sooners this thursday in the Holiday Bowl and I'll be checking it out cause I've never seen this guy who some describe as "special" among D linemen.
But on the subject of us using our top pick for a D player, that for obvious
reasons becomes a stronger likehood if we do convert to the 4-3.
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2-gap linemen generally drop in the draft and one-gap linemen usually rise. As an example...

Vince Wilfork was talked about as "special" all year by the 'draftsperts' then fell to the bottom half of the draft (two gap guy). Dewayne Robertson was a fast riser and went in the top 10 his year since he had one-gap pass rushing skills, but most of the public didn't see his worth that high at this time (NFL playoffs) in his draft.
 
Holden135 said:
Big Tex i wouldn't be surprised at all if we moved to a 4-3 next year or in the coming years if we have a coaching change. In that case you would see Peek move to Defensive end. If that were to happen you wouldnt see Babin in a Texans uniform anymore since he doesn't fit in well. Greenwood is a good fit at mlb but i don't know how orr would stack up at olb in that scheme.
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Babin will not e cut. He can get to the QB still. Peek is in danger of losing his roster spot IMO. Greenwood is NOT a freaking MLB. He is a OLB, regardless of the system he is in. He does not posess the ability to stop the run and he makes his reads slower than david carr. :brickwall
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Obviously this means a trade down but....

I'm definitely not against going defense with our first pick.

Be it AJ Hawk, Jimmy Williams....


Is anyone else in favor of addressing the Defense right now?
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Not at all. Build the O-line we have all known they needed to build since day 3 of the organization. You can get some decent LBs and Safeties in the 3-5 rounds just look at the decent guys we have playing.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Obviously this means a trade down but....

I'm definitely not against going defense with our first pick.

Be it AJ Hawk, Jimmy Williams....


Is anyone else in favor of addressing the Defense right now?
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I am all for Houston taking a defensive player with their first round pick. Obviously they are going to trade down to do that, but with the depth in the OL positions in this draft, the Texans could get a very solid o-lineman in the early second round. This would address the need they have on an awful defense, minus d-rob of course, and it would also close up some of the gaps in one of the worst offensive lines i have ever witnessed...
 
royce1054 said:
this is a strong possibility. Pbuc, Babin, Peek and Orr are all FA's some RFA some UFA. Chances are only 2 maybe 3 will be back. So this could happen. I have been trying to put this thought in peoples heads but some people are so locked in and have this tunnel vision they cant see whats really going on.
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Buchanon has one year left on his contract and Babin has at least one year left. Both Peek and Orr are RFA and I think they will both be signed and given at least one more year to prove they belong, which I think both have done a decent job of this year.

bigtex77 said:
Feel free to chastise me for this but if we were to miss out on Reggie Bush would it make sense to draft someone like A.J. Hawk from OSU? I was thinking if we have a new coaching staff that we would likely move to a 4-3 defense, if so could Hawk play middle backer flanked by Wong, Orr or Babin and move Antwaan Peek back to DE? Just wanted to hear some thoughts. Also if this has already been covered, please direct me to the thread. Thanks.
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Between Babin and Peek, I would definitely move Babin down to DE. I think Orr, Wong, and Peek would be a decent LB crew in a 4-3, but unfortunately Greenwood will still be here with his large contract too, so he would be one of our OLB and Orr and Peek would have to duke it out for the other OLB spot. If we stayed in a 3-4, I personally would like to see Wong and Babin in the middle since they are bigger and better tacklers and more suited for run stopping than Greenwood, then Orr, Peek, and Greenwood rotating as the two OLB.

Holden135 said:
Big Tex i wouldn't be surprised at all if we moved to a 4-3 next year or in the coming years if we have a coaching change. In that case you would see Peek move to Defensive end. If that were to happen you wouldnt see Babin in a Texans uniform anymore since he doesn't fit in well. Greenwood is a good fit at mlb but i don't know how orr would stack up at olb in that scheme.
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Greenwood is a horrible fit at MLB. A MLB has to be your primary run stopper and generally is your best tackler, and Greenwood is the worst tackler among our LBs and probably worse than Dunta and maybe Earl and Brown too. He would definitely be a OLB in a 4-3 and should be one in a 3-4 too in my opinion.

beerlover said:
are you suggesting the Texans change schemes- to a 4-3?

but if the Texans are staying with the 3-4 I wouldn't mind if they took Haloti Ngata. He is the best NT I've ever seen coming out of College & you know whats funny (well not really) but I predicted the Texans would be picking somewhere between 18th-21st in the 06 draft, so I did not think we (the Texans) would even have a shot at him. now unless we trade down or have the 4th pick it seems like too high to draft him :brickwall
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There is no reason at all for us to take a DT. We already have Payne and Walker who are both pretty good and have huge contracts but are aging, and we have Robaire Smith and Travis Johnson who are younger and also pretty good. If we stay in a 3-4 those four should rotate as our primary DL and if we switch to a 4-3 then the four of them will have to rotate at the two DT spots somehow, and likely Payne would get cut and the other three would rotate there. Either way a DT is one of the last things we need to spend a high draft pick on.

Unfortunately with the way our defense has been put together, the only defensive positions I see us being able to spend a high draft pick on is in our secondary, preferably a good CB or maybe a tweener like Huff, maybe a DE if we plan to switch to a 4-3 as our primary defense. I wouldn't mind seeing us switch to a 4-3 or stay in a 3-4 or run a combination thereof. I personally am probably a little bigger fan of a 4-3 but with our current roster we'll definitely have to use a 3-4 a decent amount for the next year or two and mixing it up and giving a variety of looks to opposing offenses is never a bad idea if done correctly.
 
MorKnolle said:
Buchanon has one year left on his contract and Babin has at least one year left. Both Peek and Orr are RFA and I think they will both be signed and given at least one more year to prove they belong, which I think both have done a decent job of this year.



Between Babin and Peek, I would definitely move Babin down to DE. I think Orr, Wong, and Peek would be a decent LB crew in a 4-3, but unfortunately Greenwood will still be here with his large contract too, so he would be one of our OLB and Orr and Peek would have to duke it out for the other OLB spot. If we stayed in a 3-4, I personally would like to see Wong and Babin in the middle since they are bigger and better tacklers and more suited for run stopping than Greenwood, then Orr, Peek, and Greenwood rotating as the two OLB.



Greenwood is a horrible fit at MLB. A MLB has to be your primary run stopper and generally is your best tackler, and Greenwood is the worst tackler among our LBs and probably worse than Dunta and maybe Earl and Brown too. He would definitely be a OLB in a 4-3 and should be one in a 3-4 too in my opinion.



There is no reason at all for us to take a DT. We already have Payne and Walker who are both pretty good and have huge contracts but are aging, and we have Robaire Smith and Travis Johnson who are younger and also pretty good. If we stay in a 3-4 those four should rotate as our primary DL and if we switch to a 4-3 then the four of them will have to rotate at the two DT spots somehow, and likely Payne would get cut and the other three would rotate there. Either way a DT is one of the last things we need to spend a high draft pick on.

Unfortunately with the way our defense has been put together, the only defensive positions I see us being able to spend a high draft pick on is in our secondary, preferably a good CB or maybe a tweener like Huff, maybe a DE if we plan to switch to a 4-3 as our primary defense. I wouldn't mind seeing us switch to a 4-3 or stay in a 3-4 or run a combination thereof. I personally am probably a little bigger fan of a 4-3 but with our current roster we'll definitely have to use a 3-4 a decent amount for the next year or two and mixing it up and giving a variety of looks to opposing offenses is never a bad idea if done correctly.
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sorry to quote that all...but i'll start from the top: Peek should not be resigned. He has not proven he is capable of starting. Babain is slow in recognition. Greenwood is our third worst defensive player (behind colemen and faggins).

I agree that greenwood is the furthest guy we have from a real MLB, in either system.

DT is not a primary need, and should not be looked at unless orin harris is there in the early 4th.

Defensive positions worth using a first on: MLB, FS, DE. We do NOT need a first round corner, just someone to replace faggins.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I think your sources are very off from everyone elses. McNeil is strictly a RT in the NFL. He is projected as an early to mid second rounder. Giles is a G, and has very little chance of going in the first. Maybe to Denver or Indy. He will not go in the 20-30 range unless a team is really reaching.
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Well we will see after the bowls and i will check the new posted mocks they just posted. Trust me these guys know their crap they arent paid just really smart fans. If some of the people went on there with some of their crap they would be eaten up and spit out. They would ask for your proofs. And if you said something not true they would make you look like you are the dumbest person on the planet. Thats why i come on here and i can barely stand some of these people who want to draft someone because of what they hear on tv or the radio bc some guy on the radio said this is what we need.
 
royce1054 said:
Well we will see after the bowls and i will check the new posted mocks they just posted. Trust me these guys know their *****
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sounds good, but your sources could end up being right in the long run, but as of now...they do not appear to be. I will eat my crow if it shakes out that way.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
sounds good, but your sources could end up being right in the long run, but as of now...they do not appear to be. I will eat my crow if it shakes out that way.
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I have seen McNeil going as high as 8 and as low as 25. So i guess it depends on whose doing the mock and who likes who.. The only problem is we cant do mocks right now because we have to go based the team has and what they might lose. We cant go off of FA signings because they havent happened yet. So we cant say whose gonna go where bc of that. Then the playoffs havent been decided yet either so we cant even figure out where exactly teams are going to pick. So its all up in smoke right now.
 
royce1054 said:
I have seen McNeil going as high as 8 and as low as 25. So i guess it depends on whose doing the mock and who likes who.. The only problem is we cant do mocks right now because we have to go based the team has and what they might lose. We cant go off of FA signings because they havent happened yet. So we cant say whose gonna go where bc of that. Then the playoffs havent been decided yet either so we cant even figure out where exactly teams are going to pick. So its all up in smoke right now.
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this is true, but I find the most entertainment from predicting the draft. Maybe i'm not the greatest (you can hesitate to agree at least) but i still enjoy it more than a lof to the other fourms.

I have seen McNeil recently go anywhere from 21-46
 
YTF you know that McNeil is currently one of the top 5 tackles coming out in the draft, and most have him as the best RT. That usually means like Jamaal Brown he will get a run in the First. McNeil is better than Jon Scott and Winston Justice which puts him as the #3 OT in the draft. Since he is a prototype RT and possible LT look for him to go to a team like the Dolphins with their late pick, or anywhere from 15-30.
 
Coach C. said:
YTF you know that McNeil is currently one of the top 5 tackles coming out in the draft, and most have him as the best RT. That usually means like Jamaal Brown he will get a run in the First. McNeil is better than Jon Scott and Winston Justice which puts him as the #3 OT in the draft. Since he is a prototype RT and possible LT look for him to go to a team like the Dolphins with their late pick, or anywhere from 15-30.
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very well could be, but i have him projected differently. While I agree he is better than Jon Scott, Justice is better than him and has much more upside. Joe Thomas, if he declares will be higher rated. I just dont see a "RT only" guy going in the first THIS year at least. It's too early to really tell, and too late for me to be doing this. I have to be at work at 8 tommorow.
 
royce1054 said:
see i think there is a slim chance McNeil wont go in the first round and i also think Scott will go 25-35.
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I think Scott is one of the MOST overratted OT in this draft. I see him as a "RT" only guy, and some are projecting him to go in the top 20!! If he goes in the top 20 AND goes before McNeil, I will use a sig saying something to the extent of Royce and Scott took my lunch money.
 
I think having two big corners like jimmy williams and dunta robinson could do wonders for our defense. The D-line and CB's feed off each other. If the pass rush is good the corners don't have to cover as long and if the coverage is good gives the d-line extra time to get to the qb.

Huff would also be a great addition as a rangy FS who can play the centerfield cover that 3rd wr and good in run support.

Mario Williams is a beast and if we are switching to a 4-3 which i prefer as a traditionalist then he'd be an awesome addition. Not to mention a 4-3 is what TJ played in so it would give him a chance to move back to something familiar.
 
ok I think I'm beginning to understand this change in formating on this board so within a thread it is possible to focus on a specific topic while the thread takes off in other directions :cool:

so back to Ngata. first lets talk about him and what he brings to the table. Yes I'll have my DVR set thrs. (OU VS. UO GAME). Peterson is a great RB, I would go so far as to say the best RB in College Football & I expect him to have a HUGE game against the Ducks (150+ yds) the Ducks play the 3-4 so I'll be watching how they try to adjust to stopping the run of a dominant program. can Peterson run between the tackles or will he be forced to the outside by Ngata?

this will be a battle of strengths, we'll have a much better idea after this game. you can do all the combine stuff in the world but when it comes down to evaulating a NFL prospect to me this is the most critical time to project value to the NFL.

second, I have a track record on Ngata stating he is a player I would love to see in a Texans uniform, for two years! I remember last year waiting for the underclassman to declare for the draft, if he had come out he should have been considered by the Texans @ 13 even coming off knee injury. This year he has fullfilled his billing as the premier interior lineman over some real talent including Gabe Watson. a legitimate top 10 pick!

I also specificly stated that pre-season I did not expect the Texans to be so bad and picking at the top of the board, no way am I advocating taking a DT in the 2-5 range, it would be at least one or two trade downs latter, all I'm saying is he would be a great addition to the Texans & if we had not gone the direction we did last year with Travis and didn't suck like we have this year he would be a very likely prospect for us to draft.

In the end I'm advocating staying with the 3-4, too many question marks moving to the 4-3. But I still have serious concerns about our DT's, scratch Walker (injury prone) insert Travis, Payne has one maybe two years left (Ngata heir apparent) and Robair Smith has been adequate. at some point the Texans have to start winning the battles at the line of scrimmage.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
sorry to quote that all...but i'll start from the top: Peek should not be resigned. He has not proven he is capable of starting. Babain is slow in recognition. Greenwood is our third worst defensive player (behind colemen and faggins).

I agree that greenwood is the furthest guy we have from a real MLB, in either system.

DT is not a primary need, and should not be looked at unless orin harris is there in the early 4th.

Defensive positions worth using a first on: MLB, FS, DE. We do NOT need a first round corner, just someone to replace faggins.
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I don't see a great MLB in this draft, plus with Greenwood and Wong's contracts they are locked in to stay here and I think Orr and Peek both deserve another year since they are both athletic and high-energy players on defense. I don't see how any of the incoming LBs would fit well with our current team and definitely would not take one in the 1st round. I generally would not draft a FS in the 1st round unless they are really special like Ed Reed or Sean Taylor and none of this year's are that good, although the few best CBs in this years draft (Jimmy Williams and Huff) are listed as tweeners between S and CB so we'll have to see how they run in the combine and I'm not sure if either is a pure CB. If Huff falls to us in the 2nd round I'd love to get him there or maybe even trade into the late 1st round to get him if we can initially trade down and acquire extra picks. I think with Huff being able to play CB or S, we could have him and Dunta at CBs and leave Brown and Earl at S for 1st and 2nd down running situations and then for 3rd downs or other passing situations put him back at FS to have an extra ballhawking coverage guy back there and bring in Buchanon and Faggins (or any other CBs we draft or sign in FA). Drafting a DE would depend entirely on our defensive system next year, and even if we bring in a 4-3 coach I don't see us being able to run 4-3 as our primary defense with our current roster situations, so I probably wouldn't use a 1st rounder on a DE, although Mario Williams does look pretty nice. Either way I'm in favor of getting OL in the 1st round anyways and looking for a couple defensive players later on in the draft.
 
I think I've pretty much made up my mind on this.

DRAFT DEFENSE. I want Jimmy Williams.

The draft is deep in O-lineman this year and with our HIGH #2 pick we should get first round talent.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
I think I've pretty much made up my mind on this.

DRAFT DEFENSE. I want Jimmy Williams.

The draft is deep in O-lineman this year and with our HIGH #2 pick we should get first round talent.
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I'm still less inclined to take a DB this year with our first.
 
MorKnolle said:
I don't see a great MLB in this draft, plus with Greenwood and Wong's contracts they are locked in to stay here and I think Orr and Peek both deserve another year since they are both athletic and high-energy players on defense. I don't see how any of the incoming LBs would fit well with our current team and definitely would not take one in the 1st round. I generally would not draft a FS in the 1st round unless they are really special like Ed Reed or Sean Taylor and none of this year's are that good, although the few best CBs in this years draft (Jimmy Williams and Huff) are listed as tweeners between S and CB so we'll have to see how they run in the combine and I'm not sure if either is a pure CB. If Huff falls to us in the 2nd round I'd love to get him there or maybe even trade into the late 1st round to get him if we can initially trade down and acquire extra picks. I think with Huff being able to play CB or S, we could have him and Dunta at CBs and leave Brown and Earl at S for 1st and 2nd down running situations and then for 3rd downs or other passing situations put him back at FS to have an extra ballhawking coverage guy back there and bring in Buchanon and Faggins (or any other CBs we draft or sign in FA). Drafting a DE would depend entirely on our defensive system next year, and even if we bring in a 4-3 coach I don't see us being able to run 4-3 as our primary defense with our current roster situations, so I probably wouldn't use a 1st rounder on a DE, although Mario Williams does look pretty nice. Either way I'm in favor of getting OL in the 1st round anyways and looking for a couple defensive players later on in the draft.
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top tier MLB: Brooks, Poluz, Hodge, D'qwell Jackson...thats 4 right there.
 
beerlover said:
ok I think I'm beginning to understand this change in formating on this board so within a thread it is possible to focus on a specific topic while the thread takes off in other directions :cool:

so back to Ngata. first lets talk about him and what he brings to the table. Yes I'll have my DVR set thrs. (OU VS. UO GAME). Peterson is a great RB, I would go so far as to say the best RB in College Football & I expect him to have a HUGE game against the Ducks (150+ yds) the Ducks play the 3-4 so I'll be watching how they try to adjust to stopping the run of a dominant program. can Peterson run between the tackles or will he be forced to the outside by Ngata?

this will be a battle of strengths, we'll have a much better idea after this game. you can do all the combine stuff in the world but when it comes down to evaulating a NFL prospect to me this is the most critical time to project value to the NFL.

second, I have a track record on Ngata stating he is a player I would love to see in a Texans uniform, for two years! I remember last year waiting for the underclassman to declare for the draft, if he had come out he should have been considered by the Texans @ 13 even coming off knee injury. This year he has fullfilled his billing as the premier interior lineman over some real talent including Gabe Watson. a legitimate top 10 pick!

I also specificly stated that pre-season I did not expect the Texans to be so bad and picking at the top of the board, no way am I advocating taking a DT in the 2-5 range, it would be at least one or two trade downs latter, all I'm saying is he would be a great addition to the Texans & if we had not gone the direction we did last year with Travis and didn't suck like we have this year he would be a very likely prospect for us to draft.

In the end I'm advocating staying with the 3-4, too many question marks moving to the 4-3. But I still have serious concerns about our DT's, scratch Walker (injury prone) insert Travis, Payne has one maybe two years left (Ngata heir apparent) and Robair Smith has been adequate. at some point the Texans have to start winning the battles at the line of scrimmage.
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I also have been on his bandwagon for two years. I was praying that he would declare last year, but this year I feel we have more pressing needs than another DT. Granted, if we cut, trade, or somehow get rid of say: Walker, Payne, Ionae (sp)...then I would probally be promoting this guy a lot more.

As of now, I'm stuck between O-line and the top MLB - brooks or Poluz.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I also have been on his bandwagon for two years. I was praying that he would declare last year, but this year I feel we have more pressing needs than another DT. Granted, if we cut, trade, or somehow get rid of say: Walker, Payne, Ionae (sp)...then I would probally be promoting this guy a lot more.

As of now, I'm stuck between O-line and the top MLB - brooks or Poluz.
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we agree :)

this scenero would be dependent on so many other things happening (trading down from a top 5 pick) but I feel he should be a top 10 pick even though he is a NT. He is even a better prospect than Vince Wilfork was and Vince had done a nice job in N.E.

it all comes down to this- with our first pick (where ever it falls) do we address this with the bpa on the offensive side (the Texans rank next to the bottom in the NFL in total offense) or the defensive side (the Texans have the worst run & total defense in the NFL)? whats more frustrating to you- watching pass protection breakdown & Carr dropping down into the fetal position or being completly enept stopping the run on 3rd down conversions & four years of watching the defense "wear out" when the games outcome hangs in the balance?

I cannot wait until the game tonight (OU VS. UO) we'll see just how good Ngata is & how he can impact the run defense & if he can apply pressure from the inside to the QB. Oklahoma with Peterson is a formible test & from the games I've seen Oregon play, other than Ngata, their defense is porous like the Texans. the Texans 1st rd. pick has to be an impact player, the Travis Johnsons of the world just won't cut it.
 
beerlover said:
we agree :)

this scenero would be dependent on so many other things happening (trading down from a top 5 pick) but I feel he should be a top 10 pick even though he is a NT. He is even a better prospect than Vince Wilfork was and Vince had done a nice job in N.E.

it all comes down to this- with our first pick (where ever it falls) do we address this with the bpa on the offensive side (the Texans rank next to the bottom in the NFL in total offense) or the defensive side (the Texans have the worst run & total defense in the NFL)? whats more frustrating to you- watching pass protection breakdown & Carr dropping down into the fetal position or being completly enept stopping the run on 3rd down conversions & four years of watching the defense "wear out" when the games outcome hangs in the balance?

I cannot wait until the game tonight (OU VS. UO) we'll see just how good Ngata is & how he can impact the run defense & if he can apply pressure from the inside to the QB. Oklahoma with Peterson is a formible test & from the games I've seen Oregon play, other than Ngata, their defense is porous like the Texans. the Texans 1st rd. pick has to be an impact player, the Travis Johnsons of the world just won't cut it.
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I feel that we will be able to compete offensively w/out a top tier "potential playmaker", but our run D is attrocious. Ngata is so dependent on intrest in our pick. We will have a top 5 pick regardless, and he is not worth that. I think he will be available one pick before oakland or clevland.

the part in bold is the understatement of the year! I dont want a one year standout to play reserve for the next 2 years, when instead of taking him at 16, I could have had him at 36.
 
Nagata has been described, this season, as "runs like a LB". At 340 lbs, he has seven career blocked punts - two this past season. He has also been used on Oregon's offensive punt team. When was the last time you saw a 340 pounder running downfield on punt coverage?

Before his injury, Nagata, at 340 lbs, ran below 4.9 in the forty - 4.85 to 4.87. The Combine will tell, but if he has regained this kind of speed, then, thinking outside the box, I can see Haloti playing the 43 strongside DE ( "No way I take a nose tackle with a top 5 pick. I'd take a CB or a dominant pass rusher this high though...." Vinny ).

In the 34, he could play DE as well as NT.

The one knock on Nagata that I have read is that, like most players of his size, he does not play all out, every down.
 
I admit I haven't seen much of Ngata so I can't really comment too much on his personal skills (I'll be watching the game tonight though), but DT is one of the last positions we need to be drafting now. Robaire Smith is pretty solid and is young, we just drafted Travis Johnson in the first round last year, and we have the aging Set Payne and Gary Walker who are both still pretty effective and due to their contracts will have to be here next year unless they retire, which I don't see happening. If we hadn't drafted Travis last year, I'd be more open to it, but drafting him in the 1st round has given us more DTs than we've been able to find playing time for, at least for most of the year when they were healthy. While we haven't seen Travis play very much, I'm still not very fond of picking him anyways, he just doesn't seem to have the heart and passion that the other three have and I didn't think we was the best DT available last year when we drafted him (i.e. Marcus Spears from LSU). I wish we had drafted Derrick Johnson last year and made wiser free agent decisions (i.e. not releasing Sharper and then signing Greenwood when Kendrell Bell, Anthony Simmons, Peter Boulware, and other better LBs were available at the same price), then we could possibly be looking at a DT this year.
 
MorKnolle said:
I admit I haven't seen much of Ngata so I can't really comment too much on his personal skills (I'll be watching the game tonight though), but DT is one of the last positions we need to be drafting now. Robaire Smith is pretty solid and is young, we just drafted Travis Johnson in the first round last year, and we have the aging Set Payne and Gary Walker who are both still pretty effective and due to their contracts will have to be here next year unless they retire, which I don't see happening. If we hadn't drafted Travis last year, I'd be more open to it, but drafting him in the 1st round has given us more DTs than we've been able to find playing time for, at least for most of the year when they were healthy. While we haven't seen Travis play very much, I'm still not very fond of picking him anyways, he just doesn't seem to have the heart and passion that the other three have and I didn't think we was the best DT available last year when we drafted him (i.e. Marcus Spears from LSU). I wish we had drafted Derrick Johnson last year and made wiser free agent decisions (i.e. not releasing Sharper and then signing Greenwood when Kendrell Bell, Anthony Simmons, Peter Boulware, and other better LBs were available at the same price), then we could possibly be looking at a DT this year.
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hindsight is 20/20 though, but in that retrospect, i do agree with you and did agree with you when the moves happened...not just after our "revamped and faster" defense failed miserably.
 
You know I am open to a defensive pick. So far I have not seen a LB in this years draft class that is as good as B. Urlacher or even J. Vilma for that matter. That said it leads me to believe that AJ Hawk will be the first off the board and picked entirely to high for a LB. He is not close to L. A. or even Urlacher who went at 9. LBs are not picked overly high and there has not been one in the top 8 since Arrington. I like the idea of going defensively, but I like it with the rest of the draft. I am asking for Winston and Davin Joseph and then pick defensively to your hearts content. Manny Lawson has been impressive and he might be around late second or early third. He plays alot like DeMarcus Ware and that would be huge for us. So Offensive Line takes precedence over over-hyped LBs, a DT, monster DE, or even a highly productive CB.
 
Unless we switch to a 4-3, the only defensive player I see us taking in the first three rounds would be a CB or S, if we do switch to a 4-3 then I can see us drafting a good DE since Babin is the only guy currently on our roster that could play 4-3 DE, maybe Peek if he put on 10-15 lbs. of muscle. I agree about LBs not generally going very high in this draft and Hawk, Carpenter, Brooks and the rest of them are no where near the talent of Urlacher or Arrington, plus I'm not sure how well any of them would fit with our current roster. We do need some new LBs in at some point but with our contracts and such being how they are I don't see this being the year to bring them in.
 
Brooks has been HURT way too much the past two seasons. I can't even remember a mock I've seen lately that has him in the 1st round anymore.

Which means he could be a steal in the 2nd with our first pick. I live in charlottesville and most of the year he was in a situational pass rush mode and only played OLB so I"m a bit wary of his coverage ability.

IS babin BIG enough to play END?
 
MorKnolle said:
Unless we switch to a 4-3, the only defensive player I see us taking in the first three rounds would be a CB or S, if we do switch to a 4-3 then I can see us drafting a good DE since Babin is the only guy currently on our roster that could play 4-3 DE, maybe Peek if he put on 10-15 lbs. of muscle. I agree about LBs not generally going very high in this draft and Hawk, Carpenter, Brooks and the rest of them are no where near the talent of Urlacher or Arrington, plus I'm not sure how well any of them would fit with our current roster. We do need some new LBs in at some point but with our contracts and such being how they are I don't see this being the year to bring them in.
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Brooks is the next Arrington, Poluz is the next Urlacher.
 
Coach C. said:
You know I am open to a defensive pick. So far I have not seen a LB in this years draft class that is as good as B. Urlacher or even J. Vilma for that matter. That said it leads me to believe that AJ Hawk will be the first off the board and picked entirely to high for a LB. He is not close to L. A. or even Urlacher who went at 9. LBs are not picked overly high and there has not been one in the top 8 since Arrington. I like the idea of going defensively, but I like it with the rest of the draft. I am asking for Winston and Davin Joseph and then pick defensively to your hearts content. Manny Lawson has been impressive and he might be around late second or early third. He plays alot like DeMarcus Ware and that would be huge for us. So Offensive Line takes precedence over over-hyped LBs, a DT, monster DE, or even a highly productive CB.
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manny lawson will be a first round pick...mark me down as saying that now. He will rise up the boards and be a 3-4 "perfect fit".

manny lawson = shawne merrimen
 
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