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I read somewhere that Gaine is open to moving the RD3-04-68 pick if there is some interest.

With the Texans needs this season, their lack of picks in RD4 and RD5, and the depth of available talent at positions of need....I hope they get solid offers for the RD3-04-68 and RD4-03-128 that could help them gain 2 or 3 extra picks.

I think both of the Cougars players could get picked up as UDFA's.

I'm still hoping that LT, Bentley Spain- NC remains unnoticed. This is the LT that protected Trubisky's blind-side during his RD1 campaign and was the starter for 2+ solid seasons. If he drops in RD7 or becomes an UDFA....I'd like to see the Texans take a gamble on this guy. He's been a solid starting LT for NC.
 
It seems more likely that the Texans move back than trade up.

Unless there's a CB/TE/OT that fell from the 2nd round into the 3rd, it would make more sense to trade down and build for later in the draft.
 
Both picks beginning in 3rd and 4th round are prime trade down spots. 3rd round because a premium player like a QB may drop. 4th because day 3 of the draft will start and teams will reassess their boards based on who is available and will want to make a move for who they want to target.

Good opportunity to gain an extra pick this year or even for the 2019 draft.
 
There are only a certain number of spots on the roster and practice squad. What is the appeal of ending up with ten or more draft picks? You're basically wasting some of those picks because you won't have space to do anything with those guys.

I think 7-8 is a good number. I'm not against moving around. If you have more picks than that you can afford to move up or trade some away to gain extra picks for next year.
 
There are only a certain number of spots on the roster and practice squad. What is the appeal of ending up with ten or more draft picks? You're basically wasting some of those picks because you won't have space to do anything with those guys.

I think 7-8 is a good number. I'm not against moving around. If you have more picks than that you can afford to move up or trade some away to gain extra picks for next year.
Tend to agree.
With no 1st or 2nd round higher quality picks, we need the best we can get.
Trading down would be counter productive.
Texans should be better this year with the talent we are bringing on board and the draftees will help. We only need DW4 to stay healthy and we will be in good shape.
Take what you can get this year and see how it goes - we will have a better idea next go round - we were never gonna fix it all this year anyway unless we get extremely lucky and that don't happen much in Texans football.
 
There are only a certain number of spots on the roster and practice squad. What is the appeal of ending up with ten or more draft picks? You're basically wasting some of those picks because you won't have space to do anything with those guys.

I think 7-8 is a good number. I'm not against moving around. If you have more picks than that you can afford to move up or trade some away to gain extra picks for next year.

Yes, that’s why a trade back in the 3rd and packaging a 6th to add an extra 4th would be more ideal imo. Just as an example but can still have same number of picks despite trading down to add a better pick.
 
It seems more likely that the Texans move back than trade up.

Unless there's a CB/TE/OT that fell from the 2nd round into the 3rd, it would make more sense to trade down and build for later in the draft.

It's because they don't have a 1st or 2nd rounder that it would be better to trade up into the 2nd round to get a very good player. But, I would only do that if one of the better OT's fell like O'Neill or Crosby. I wouldn't do it for a CB or TE because those are deeper groups and you will find good ones throughout the draft. JMO.
 
Mel Kiper Grade A draft:

The ground rules:

At each slot, I make a pick in the best interest of only the team with the pick

No trades. I try to address team needs, but as with the actual draft, value can supersede need.

I'm not projecting picks. This is more of a look at where I see value up and down the board, based on my rankings.

Houston Texans
Round 3 (68): Anthony Averett, CB, Alabama
Round 3 (80): Desmond Harrison, OT, West Georgia
Round 3 (98): P.J. Hall, DL, Sam Houston State

Both of the Texans' top picks went to the Browns in last year's Deshaun Watson trade, but Houston added a third-rounder in the deal that sent Duane Brown to the Seahawks. If the Texans can get one starter out of these three picks, it would be considered a success -- drafting is really tough, and there are so many prospects already off the board.

In this case, I went with projects with these picks. All three are raw talents. Averett is undersized but super-fast (he ran a 4.36 40 at the combine). Harrison was out of football for a few years but resurfaced at D-II West Georgia. He looks like a tight end without pads and has great feet, but can he be coached up? Hall had stellar stats at Sam Houston State but is a tweener in the NFL. Could he play defensive end in Houston's 3-4?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/i...l-kiper-plays-gm-three-rounds-first-100-picks

Mcshay Grade A 3 round draft:

Below is my three-round mock draft, which has a simple concept: I'm the general manager for each team at each pick, from No. 1 to No. 100.

I'm not projecting picks based on what I'm hearing around the league. This is me making 100 picks -- three full rounds -- based on what's best for each team at that slot, so that each team gets an "A" grade from me. And yes, I'm following Kiper's rules on this one and not making any trades.

Houston Texans
Round 3 (68): Arden Key, DE, LSU
Round 3 (80): Desmond Harrison, OT, West Georgia
Round 3 (98): Kyzir White, S, West Virginia

The Texans gave up a lot last year to move up in the first round to get Deshaun Watson, but assuming he comes back healthy, they have to be happy with that decision. Key is an extremely talented pass-rusher, but has fallen due to off-field issues. Harrison is a small-school prospect who will bolster the line. White is a good in-the-box safety.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/i...-mcshay-plays-gm-three-rounds-first-100-picks
 
In that 2nd mock he has Orlando Brown going a few picks after Arden Key.

I understand that Key is a really good player but with how bad our OL is, I'd take Harrison and Brown and be done with the OT position.

Our interior line looks improved but after that, I'm worried for Watson.

If they're really serious about going all in for Watson. Brown and Harrison would need to be the picks.
 
I never trust Kiper or McShay in regards to their picks...especially when it comes to the Texans. Based on the Texans needs, how can Kiper suggest 3 "projects" and call that a solid draft for the Texans? There's a sound reason as to why this guy has never been approached by an NFL team to be hired in a FO position or as an consultant.
 
There's a sound reason as to why this guy has never been approached by an NFL team to be hired in a FO position or as an consultant.
Yes, because they couldn’t come close to offering what he’s making at ESPN or his draft guide
 
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Not buying what Kiper and Mcshay are selling. But that’s to be expected with national media that don’t have a good insight on local teams.
 
Highly recommend you read this whole thing by Stephanie Stradley:

Stephanie Stradley’s Q&A on the Texans and the 2018 NFL draft

Q&A:

Q: The Texans have no picks in the first two rounds. Strategically, do you look to move up in this draft for this team? Why or why not do you tend to feel that way? And if so, who would be some targets worth doing that for?


Monson: I don’t think they should trade up. First, I think the mid-rounds are actually a good place to be in this draft for O-line help, which the Texans need desperately, and second, the draft still remains such a low-success proposition (particularly if you’re outside of Round 1) that more rolls of the dice are better than few.

Zierlein: I would consider moving up since you will be able to get into the second round by flipping two of your third-round picks. I think it is worth targeting a CB like Isaiah Oliver or Carlton Davis. I also see an offensive tackle like Jamarco Jones or a safety like Jessie Bates, Justin Reid or maybe Tarvarius Moore.

Cobern: I would not trade up in this draft class due to very few slam dunk prospects from a data perspective. There are a few QBs such as Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold who hit above average All-Pro career production thresholds since the 1958 NFL draft class. But Houston has already selected a QB in Deshaun Watson last year. Sometimes the best strategy is to do nothing at all. Just have confidence that you can spot good prospects who ultimately fall to lower rounds every year.

McDonald: I don’t think that the Texans need to move up in this draft. They still have three third-round picks which means they’ll have the opportunity to add three potential players that can come in and be starters for the 2018 campaign. They could use starting offensive tackle talent and some depth along the defensive line to protect themselves in case the injury bug strikes again this year.

Allbright: I don’t. You’ve already moved up last year, and now you’re pick deficient because of it. Idea should be to let that pay off now, rather than kicking the can down the road. You’ve (ideally) got the QB and pieces around him. Use the picks you have to address the O-line.

Kollmann: I honestly believe that if the Texans stay healthy this year (as if that has ever happened, right?), they are one of the strongest starting rosters in the league. They have very few glaring holes now that Aaron Colvin and Tyrann Mathieu are in the building, and with just one or two great pickups in this draft they could be poised for a very deep playoff run. If the front office sees a guard and/or offensive tackle that they like fall into the second round, I expect them to package some picks to move up and snag them without hesitation. Isaiah Wynn from Georgia is probably my dream scenario if he somehow gets pushed down the board due to his rather average arm length, and Billy Price from Ohio State is someone to keep an eye on as well. Price is a first-round caliber guard or center, but he may fall a bit on draft day due to a recent pectoral injury. If he somehow makes it to the mid-50s, that’s when you need to watch for Houston to make some moves.

Stradley: I’m closer to the position to stay pat and go with more choices versus betting on one. I’m drawn to Matt’s view and think the Texans have too many players who are hard to ink in as reliable starters on offense. If you think that is harsh, who is your list of Texans offensive players you think can provide consistent, above-average production for an entire season? That said, the Texans could use quality offensive line help, and they don’t have a time machine to go back years ago to get one to develop when they needed to do it.

Q: What do you think of this draft as far as offensive linemen options? Given what the Texans did in free agency, who they currently have on the team, what should they do now in the draft?

Kollmann: As long as Julién Davenport develops quickly at left tackle, the Texans offensive line isn’t necessarily the worst in the world, but they do need an injection of depth and competition in this year’s draft. I mentioned Wynn and Price because both of them offer positional flexibility and can provide depth at multiple positions, which is really what Houston needs most right now. There are no true franchise offensive tackles in this class, and only one slam dunk franchise guard (Quenton Nelson), so the Texans should really just be focusing on prospects that can be flexible to mix and match positions as the starting five takes shape. Connor Williams, Braden Smith and KJ Malone are all names that fit into that mold that will also be available in the second and third rounds, so keep an eye on them if Wynn and Price are gobbled up early.

McDonald: I think this offensive line class lacks top end offensive tackle talent, but there are a decent amount of players to be had from Round 3 that look like they have the potential to be starters. Brandon Parker (North Carolina A&T), Nick Gates (Nebraska) and Will Richardson (North Carolina State) are mid/late round talents whi could develop into starters down the line.

Monson: I like the mid-rounds of this draft for O-line options. This draft generally is actually not a bad O-line draft given what we’ve seen over the past few seasons. I think the Texans need to focus on that as their primary area of concern in this draft. They only have so many rounds in their gun, so need to focus on a specific target with those picks. The one boost to what was the league’s worst offensive line (253 total pressures in 2017, the league’s worst pass rush productivity score by a distance) last season is that Deshaun Watson was able to make it function and look a lot better than it was. Whoever they put out there in 2018, if Watson is healthy and able to repeat that kind of performance, it’ll paper over some of the cracks.

Waldman: Although I don’t study offensive linemen like I do the offensive skill positions (QB, RB, WR and TE), this class has about a dozen players apiece at tackle and guard with long-term starter potential. Considering the Texans’ additions at guard and lack of early picks, a left tackle could be a priority. If Houston makes a move for an early-round pick, left tackle will be the target. However, as much as I understand the rationale, I’m not sold on mortgaging the future for a top pick. The Texans better be sold that the early-round option is an immediate starter with Pro Bowl upside. None of these prospects fit that part. This draft offers potential upgrades at running back, receiver, and tight end depth – and with starter upside 2-3 years from now at a nice price. I’d rather Houston wait and see if a tackle they assigned a second- or third-round grade falls to the third round. If so, take the tackle. If not, upgrade depth elsewhere.

Cobern: This draft is very thin at offensive tackle. Which is a position the Texans must address. They will depend on second-year tackle Julién Davenport to take over at left tackle. However, Davenport’s data has a few yellow flags athletically that could prove troublesome long-term. The majority of high potential tackles will likely be drafted by the time the Texans pick. The Texans should be fine in the interior of their offensive line. Senio Kelemete was a good pickup in free agency as a rotational player. But targeting Scott Quessenberry in Day 2 could be a decent strategy to upgrade the line at center. Scott, who is the brother of Texans’ guard David Quessenberry, has the movements and athletic profile of a potential high quality interior lineman.

Zierlein: I don’t think the Texans should be through looking at guard. There is no reason not to add another guard or a guard/tackle like Will Richardson who might be able to play either in the future.

Allbright: This draft is terrible for OTs, but there are quite a few interior linemen, go after interior linemen and athletes with promise. Given the dearth of early picks this should be a "gamble on athleticism" draft.

Stradley: Some votes for guards and looking for mid-round developmental talent. Hard to argue much with that.

Q: Realistic Rounds 3-undrafted free agent (UDFA) targets. Who are some players you think might be a good fit for the Texans needs and what do you think they would value? Who are the players you think Bill O’Brien really would want and need without reaching?


Allbright: Frank Ragnow, center out of Arkansas. Maybe Jaylen Samuels (TE NC State)

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Stephanie-Stradley-Q-A-Texans-NFL-draft-12825422.php
 

Having the deep threat is clearly important to OB. And to most coaches these days. See: Cooks being traded for 1st round picks back to back years and Sammy Watkins’ contract for the threat he provides rather than the production.

Would not be suprised if Texans grab a WR early that can stretch the field as insurance if Fuller can’t stay healthy.
 
Having the deep threat is clearly important to OB. And to most coaches these days. See: Cooks being traded for 1st round picks back to back years and Sammy Watkins’ contract for the threat he provides rather than the production.

Would not be suprised if Texans grab a WR early that can stretch the field as insurance if Fuller can’t stay healthy.
With the very pressing needs to improve our team on the OLine, backend of the defense, and at TE you really wouldn't be surprised if the Texans grab a WR early ?
 
With the very pressing needs to improve our team on the OLine, backend of the defense, and at TE you really wouldn't be surprised if the Texans grab a WR early ?

Nope. Nothing about the Texans surprises me... but also could mean they value that role so much it outweighs other needs. To them of course... I agree with the generally agreed upon needs of this team being addressed.
 
I'm OK going into training camp with our current defensive roster. This draft is very strong in middle round offensive prospects. I'd like to see our three 3's and our 4 to go offense. Depending on how rounds 1 and 2 go, we should be able to get solid selections at OT, OG, TE and slot receiver/WR.
 
With the very pressing needs to improve our team on the OLine, backend of the defense, and at TE you really wouldn't be surprised if the Texans grab a WR early ?

With zero picks in the 1st/2nd rounds it's more important to find impact guys in this draft than just trying to fill needs. We filled needs in FA with adding 3 OL and 2 DB's. The draft should be used for finding young talent at all positions. The odds of finding an immediate contributor on the OL in the 3rd round isn't that great. Especially at OT.

Not saying Washington is that guy, but I'd rather use a 3rd on an early impact WR than a backup OL.
 
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