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Texans dont like Texas players

absolutely. the only miami players we've drafted high have been Yatil Green and Vernon Carey. Green washed out due to injury, and Carey was considered a reach. although now he's one of the best RT's in the game.
 
You would think since our team name is the Texans, we would have a few of them on the team. Not that every player should be from Texas, but the FO should take some pride in our name. I haven't heard of anyone praying to be drafted by the Texans this year, as one well known Texan did last year. Texans are prideful people and will do anything to gain and maintain respect. In order to make all us fans happy, the FO should trade the entire offense to the Titans to get Vince back. Wait, the Titans would never do it because Vince is better than our whole offense. Besides in 6 more years when Vince's contract is up with the Titans and he has already won 2 or 3 SBs, he may come back to help us. There will always be resentment against the Texans choice last year, but it is time to move on. Kubes and Smity will build a winner in Houston, even if the players are not really Texans. We could always change the team name to the Yankees, as long as we win.
 
trutxn said:
You would think since our team name is the Texans, we would have a few of them on the team. Not that every player should be from Texas, but the FO should take some pride in our name. I haven't heard of anyone praying to be drafted by the Texans this year, as one well known Texan did last year. Texans are prideful people and will do anything to gain and maintain respect. In order to make all us fans happy, the FO should trade the entire offense to the Titans to get Vince back. Wait, the Titans would never do it because Vince is better than our whole offense. Besides in 6 more years when Vince's contract is up with the Titans and he has already won 2 or 3 SBs, he may come back to help us. There will always be resentment against the Texans choice last year, but it is time to move on. Kubes and Smity will build a winner in Houston, even if the players are not really Texans. We could always change the team name to the Yankees, as long as we win.
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We've got one for a coach.

As for teh Yankees analogy, should the NY Yankees only have yankees ontheir roster, even at teh cost of 27 WS titles?

Am I the only one who finds this argueement asinine?
 
Cook Thom said:
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
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We didn't have the money to compete with the contract numbers. Hindsight is 20-20, but I would much rather have Derrick Johnson and Vince on the team right now.
 
I dont think the org has a bias against UT players. We are the public just get Texas college players jammed down our throat here in Tejas, so we perceive them as better than they actually are.

Although DJ and VY would be looking mighty nice right now.
 
trutxn said:
We didn't have the money to compete with the contract numbers. Hindsight is 20-20, but I would much rather have Derrick Johnson and Vince on the team right now.
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Leonard Davis also isn't really a zone-blocking sorta LT....and he's not really that good.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
We've got one for a coach.

As for teh Yankees analogy, should the NY Yankees only have yankees ontheir roster, even at teh cost of 27 WS titles?

Am I the only one who finds this argueement asinine?
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Obviously you don't pick up on sarcasm very quickly. If Vince was taken last year this thread would not have been started. Texas (the state not university) football has a very rich tradition and Vince just happened to be one of, if not the greatest player in Texas football history. Therefore it would have been ideal for him to play for the Texans, dee, dee, dee. The resentment will continue throughout Vince's successful career, no matter what Mario does. Houston now has two teams, the Texans and Titans.
 
trutxn said:
Obviously you don't pick up on sarcasm very quickly. If Vince was taken last year this thread would not have been started. Texas (the state not university) football has a very rich tradition and Vince just happened to be one of, if not the greatest player in Texas football history. Therefore it would have been ideal for him to play for the Texans, dee, dee, dee. The resentment will continue throughout Vince's successful career, no matter what Mario does. Houston now has two teams, the Texans and Titans.
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SO this is now a thinnly veiled VY thread? My bad I cause I didn't see that.

Oh and if any fan of teh Texans is also a fan of the Titans there more bandwagonners then Houstonians.

As for DJ...I've been asking posters here for a while to tell me what he has done in KC that makes everybody think he is so great? Better pick then TJ? Maybe, maybe not; neither has done much of anything in the NFL. And I'd take Brown, an OU player, over both of them.
 
trutxn said:
Obviously you don't pick up on sarcasm very quickly. If Vince was taken last year this thread would not have been started. Texas (the state not university) football has a very rich tradition and Vince just happened to be one of, if not the greatest player in Texas football history. Therefore it would have been ideal for him to play for the Texans, dee, dee, dee. The resentment will continue throughout Vince's successful career, no matter what Mario does. Houston now has two teams, the Texans and Titans.
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Kubiak could have united half of the state under one flag with Vince young. Austin would be a Texans team for the next 10 years. People in austin, and houston, and surrounding areas go GAGA over this dude.

He would dominate this thing we call Texas.
 
Super Mario said:
Kubiak could have united half of the state under one flag with Vince young. Austin would be a Texans team for the next 10 years. People in austin, and houston, and surrounding areas go GAGA over this dude.

He would dominate this thing we call Texas.
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Meh...if we drafted Young, the Aggies would be pissed off. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
SO this is now a thinnly veiled VY thread? My bad I cause I didn't see that.

Oh and if any fan of teh Texans is also a fan of the Titans there more bandwagonners then Houstonians.

As for DJ...I've been asking posters here for a while to tell me what he has done in KC that makes everybody think he is so great? Better pick then TJ? Maybe, maybe not; neither has done much of anything in the NFL. And I'd take Brown, an OU player, over both of them.
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You don't have to live in Houston to have season tickets or be a true fan. There is actually a world outside of Houston believe it or not. I don't like the Titans as an organization, but Vince is a "Houstonian" and a Texan. With that said, TEXANS hope he is successful, and its obvious most Houstonians think the same considering the reaction at Reliant when HE defeated us. No one said DJ was great, we said he would have been a better addition than TJ. I don't think stats are a tell all but it proves everyones' point here.


DJ=
Yr G Total Tkl Ast Sacks FF
05 16 95 79.0 16 2 2
06 13 75 57.0 18 4.5 2


TJ=
Yr G Total Tkl Ast Sacks FF
05 15 26 23 3 1 0
06 9 11 8 3 0 0


Your smoking crack if you think that DJ is not more productive. Do you honestly think this conversation would be taking place if Vince was on the team? NO! I love the Texans, but most of all I love football. This will only fuel the rivalry for years to come.
 
trutxn said:
You don't have to live in Houston to have season tickets or be a true fan. There is actually a world outside of Houston believe it or not. I don't like the Titans as an organization, but Vince is a "Houstonian" and a Texan. With that said, TEXANS hope he is successful, and its obvious most Houstonians think the same considering the reaction at Reliant when HE defeated us. No one said DJ was great, we said he would have been a better addition than TJ. I don't think stats are a tell all but it proves everyones' point here.


DJ=
Yr G Total Tkl Ast Sacks FF
05 16 95 79.0 16 2 2
06 13 75 57.0 18 4.5 2


TJ=
Yr G Total Tkl Ast Sacks FF
05 15 26 23 3 1 0
06 9 11 8 3 0 0


Your smoking crack if you think that DJ is not more productive. Do you honestly think this conversation would be taking place if Vince was on the team? NO! I love the Texans, but most of all I love football. This will only fuel the rivalry for years to come.
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I never said TJ was better, I said a) I don't get why DJ still gets all teh man-love from this board, espically after Ryans put up stats that blow DJs out of the water (almost any other LB draft as higher of higher then DJ has put up way better stats), b) I said that he might be a better pick, then again he might not, you can't compare stats DTs and LBs, two totally different positions and prioritys. Looking bakc untill last year DJ would probably been teh better pick, after watching Ryans last year, I'll suffer TJ since it meant we got Ryans.

SO maybe the better question would you rather have DJ or Jamaal Brown, knowing that if you pick DJ you don't get Ryans?

AS for teh world outside of Houston...NO ****! I live in it dumbass. ANd if you are a Houtonian and you pul for teh Titans I think you are a bit of a turncoat...no mater who is on their roster.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I never said TJ was better, I said a) I don't get why DJ still gets all teh man-love from this board, espically after Ryans put stats blow s DJs out of the water (almost any other LB draft as higher of higher then DJ has put up way better stats), b)I said that he might be a better pick, then again he might not, you can't compare stats DTs and LBs, two totally different positions and prioritys.

SO maybe the better question would you rather have DJ or Jamaal Brown, knwoing tha if you pick DJ you don't get Ryans?
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I know Anthony Maddox's numbers blew Travis Johnson's out of the water though. :)
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I never said TJ was better, I said a) I don't get why DJ still gets all teh man-love from this board, espically after Ryans put stats blow s DJs out of the water (almost any other LB draft as higher of higher then DJ has put up way better stats), b)I said that he might be a better pick, then again he might not, you can't compare stats DTs and LBs, two totally different positions and prioritys.

SO maybe the better question would you rather have DJ or Jamaal Brown, knwoing tha if you pick DJ you don't get Ryans?
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You can't compare the two positions, but you can compare the productivity of the players at their respective positions. DTs don't get near as many tackles but they should get a lot more than TJ has. TJ has not live up to 1st round talent, more like 6-7 round talent. DJ on the other hand is making about 90 takles a yr, he won't blow anyone away with the #s, but he will be a starter his entire career with them. No one compared DeMeco to anyone, he is better than both and we are fortunate to have him. Even though he is not from Texas. Well, Alabama...thats east Texas.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
SO maybe the better question would you rather have DJ or Jamaal Brown, knowing that if you pick DJ you don't get Ryans?

AS for teh world outside of Houston...NO ****! I live in it dumbass. ANd if you are a Houtonian and you pul for teh Titans I think you are a bit of a turncoat...no mater who is on their roster.
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Speaking of dumbass, your statement "If you pick DJ you don't get Ryans" thats like saying if we get TJ we don't get Mario. Come on sunshine, you'll be ok.
 
Everytime I read a thread like this, it makes me hate UT more and more. Why, because it is UT or nothing.

For example, the original poster brings up Derrick Johnson and also Travis Johnson but fails to bring up the one true glaring weakness of the team since coming into the league, the offensive line and the possibility of drafting Jammal Brown who is the starting LT for the Saints. Which is the position that has hurt Houston since the begining, but hey I guess you rather not have a starting LT because he did not goto UT.

But yeah they are biassed against UT players and you have blinders on.
 
trutxn said:
Speaking of dumbass, your statement "If you pick DJ you don't get Ryans" thats like saying if we get TJ we don't get Mario. Come on sunshine, you'll be ok.
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You truly think that a franchise with as many holes as ours would not have gone another direction in the 2nd last year if we had DJ on the roster?

And I love how the second somebody brings up Brown all teh DJ man love slows down.

And I agree about Madoox...TJ is a bust. Maybe he can turn it around but I'm not holding my breath. My big issue it that DJ is an average LB, and to some people hear the fact that he played at UT makes him better then he really is. Cass. said that Dj might have some issues in teh NFL since he won't be able to run around palyers, and looking at teh tackle numbers he might just have been right. (Cass wasn't a genius but he made a few good calls hear and there.)

So once again, I know for a fact that their is no UT bias in teh front office, nor is there a bias to aggies. C'mon guy we're all smart enough not to think this kind of drivle. FWIW Jordan Black is from Mesquite...in TX.
 
I'm a Longhorn, but I also hate these threads. Makes people think that all Texas fans are whiners.

For the most part, UT hasn't produced a very high caliber of pro prospects. Just hasn't happened. Especially when you compare them to teams like Ohio State, Miami, or USC.

Case in point. The 2005 Rose Bowl. Remember all the USC sideline being littered with NFL Hall of Famers from USC? We had Roger Clemens and Matthew McConaughey.

I also think that Casserly was wise to this and to his detriment, passed on Derrick Johnson just because he was a Longhorn. I think that this may have something to do with him passing on Vince Young as well.

However, this seems to be changing the past few years. Mack Brown's doing a better job of developing players for the pros than he used to.
 
Specnatz said:
Everytime I read a thread like this, it makes me hate UT more and more. Why, because it is UT or nothing.

For example, the original poster brings up Derrick Johnson and also Travis Johnson but fails to bring up the one true glaring weakness of the team since coming into the league, the offensive line and the possibility of drafting Jammal Brown who is the starting LT for the Saints. Which is the position that has hurt Houston since the begining, but hey I guess you rather not have a starting LT because he did not goto UT.

But yeah they are biassed against UT players and you have blinders on.
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SSSH. (ttp whispers) that's the dirty little secret. We don't NEED a left tackle. Dc IS the problem. Bringing logic and reasoning in only distrups their agendas. We NEED to draft safties and franchise running backs. OK ?
 
bigsack said:
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players. Sloan Thomas was cut, Derrick Johnson was passed over for....get this Travis Johnson, VY is in there too. What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.
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Sloan Thomas was cut without playing for three teams. On his 4th now?
Drafted in the 7th round as the only Texas player selected.

Houston Oilers 1960-1996 36 years:

7 players drafted from Texas ( 8 if you count Nobis ).

Only 2 taken in the first round ( 78' and 64' ). 1 in the second and 4 taken in the late rounds 6th-17th.

Scott Appleton, a defensive tackle, is the other ( oddly enough drafted by the Cowboys too ).

In this same time period, 18 Texas players have been drafted in the first round.

Not sure if their is conspiracy in the works. But if there is, then I suspect Bud Adams is also an operating Thetan that came over on the same DC-9 that McNair flew in on.
 
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