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Texans don’t plan to hire a G.M. in 2020
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
But does that make Caserio the GM or the errand boy?
I think obrien wants an errand boy
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
He's a much worse GM than he is a coach.
Insane that you'd actually celebrate this. The Texans are no better off now than they were last season at this time. They just have less draft picks to build with and now Cal has shown that he is even dumber than Bob.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
This is why these days I could give a damn what happens with the Texans. I root for Houston teams because I always have, but outside of that the Texans are a joke.
Cal continues to look dumber than Bob. If Watson is smart he'll get the hell away from this franchise as fast as he can.
Cal continues to look dumber than Bob. If Watson is smart he'll get the hell away from this franchise as fast as he can.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Great job not answering the question and putting more OB hate where you can.
For a second I thought there was hope for you.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
He's a much worse GM than he is a coach.
Insane that you'd actually celebrate this. The Texans are no better off now than they were last season at this time. They just have less draft picks to build with and now Cal has shown that he is even dumber than Bob.
You’re basing this on......?
I thought it was a rhetorical question but I think caserio is an errand boy for belichick
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
you don't pay millions for an errand boy. Last decision may sit with BB, but I bet Caserio runs the scouts, guys who look into FA's, sets up the draft board etc. Not exactly an errand boy. So that is just weak. Now the comment about the lack of talent on the Pats roster may be a bad sign on whether he is indeed good at his job. That is a better debate
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
What else could I base it on? All of the moves his dumbass has made since he got here.
Listen I aint got time for the flip flop posters in here in jump back and forth on OB's jock every other week.
For all the crap that posters in this forum give @steelbtexan, at least he stays consistent with his thoughts and doesn't abandon them based on who wins or loses every other week. You guys have dogged and trashed OB all over this forum. Many were way before I ever even disliked him, but the minute he gets a big win or strings together 3 in a row, people start acting like they never said he was trash a few weeks prior to that or like he isn't in his 7th season or whatever it is now. The Texans future in the draft is screwed regardless of what anyone wants to argue at this point, and this entire board went nuts on the day he traded all those pics and Clowney away for nothing. He was trashed all over the National media as well. When great HC's get mentioned his name never comes up. When great GM's get mentioned his name never will, but the only time it does as a GM is when people are wondering how much longer the stupid ass Texans are going to allow that idiot to call the shots as the GM still.
BattleBull
Practice Squad
The only issue I have is giving away picks like candy. It'll come back to bite us sooner rather than later.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Not having a franchise LT to protect your once in a lifetime franchise QB will hurt you more so than spending two picks on a franchise LT. Waiting to draft a LT in the first round and see if they can develop can do more harm. See David Carr.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
So you don’t have time to actually check to see who is asking the question, news flash I haven’t flip flopped on anything, yet you do have time to go on this long rant.
Oh and also by the way I loved the Tunsil trade and, while not happy about it, figured there is more to the Clowney story than just a bad trade.
But I don’t have time for a poster that makes a random statement then doesn’t actually back it up with facts and just lumps everyone in together.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
We didn’t give away picks we acquired players which is what you are suppose to do with picks. Ok I’m going to break it down one last time.
Tunsil was a top 5 pick until the bong video came out and even then he still was taken at 11. Odds are Texans would be picking somewhere in the 20s so let’s ignore what Tunsil was projected at and just go with where he was picked.
To move up from low to mid 20s into 11 to grab a LT would have cost the Texans either a flat out 1st round pick or enough later picks to be worth a 1st round and that’s just to move up, you then have to actually use the pick itself to get the guy so, drum roll please, he would have cost two 1sts or close to it. Same as what we paid.
Now let’s say you do draft instead of trading for, yes you have 5 years of a cheap contract but guess what, LTs aren’t like RBs or WRs. You can’t just plug and play them so odds are you are looking at two years at least of getting the guy NFL ready. Meanwhile your franchise QB is getting broken in half.
All this is ignoring the very real chance that the guy will be a flat out bust or, if that video hadn’t come out and Tunsil had matched projections the fact we could have never moved into top 5.
Let’s address one last thing, his contract. People on here have bought into the media BS line and are not stopping to think. First his contract isn’t actually up till after NEXT season and you still have the tag so that’s possibly three years before you have to make a deal. Finally people are blaming the Texabs but what if Tunsil just flat out wouldn’t sign a new deal because he knows the market will be huge in two years?
What were the Texans suppose to do not make the trade and then start looking for a new franchise QB because Watson wouldn’t survive another 60+ sacks? Don’t forget also Rams just traded for Ramsey without a new contract. Players have a lot more power and are refusing to sign a lot more because they know if they don’t someone will throw stupid money at them. Thank you Raiders and Redskins
Guys. We must be sensitive to fans of other teams. It wasn't that long ago our beloved Texans had their as5es handed to them for 3 plus qtrs of football.
Let them cry. Show compassion. Empathize. No one wants to be on the wrong end of a passed torch.
Let them cry. Show compassion. Empathize. No one wants to be on the wrong end of a passed torch.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And why did we need that franchise LT? That franchise LT has been needed since the day Watson walked into the building. It takes right before the season starts in your franchise QB's 3rd season to really get serious about it and by then it's desperation time.
But OK, fine. You got your franchise LT, and payed the price you did. All the more reason to make sure any other deals you make don't put you in a deeper hole, because guess what? This team is going to have serious needs to address next year too, and unless they Daryl Morey their way to never having top picks in the draft, they aren't going to have many options to address those needs.
Duke Johnson is a good player add, but value still matters. He was 3rd on the depth chart on the Browns, likely to get cut, and he's 2nd on the depth chart here, been used sparingly, and misused at that, and you give away a 3rd for that?
And people can spin the Clowney deal all they want, that was a stupid, unnecessary deal.
That, on top of what you had to pay to get your franchise LT to protect your franchise QB, is going to limit what you can do to keep this roster competitive going forward. Your 1 year deals in the secondary expire, JJo is done, a pass rusher is a huge need, I think you could still use RB upgrade, WR, and of course, even with the limited picks remaining, you can be sure at least 1 is going on another TE.
And you can't count too much on free agency because you've got to pay that franchise LT and that franchise QB.
So getting the players they did is fine, paying what they did to get them is going to end up costing more when they find they have limited resources to just keep the roster up to par, never mind improving it.
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Do you think they can sign 1 quality FA in addition to signing their own guys? Remember the cao is going up by 20 mil/
Do you think they can find an edge that can do the things Mercilus can do in the 2nd/3rd rd? Very questionable due to not a good yr to draft an edge.
Do you like the Conley trade/Hargreaves signing? I do and think they're great value. I would still probably try to draft a young CB in the 3rd or 4th rd.
The value in this draft is in RB/CB/WR/OT. I could see the Texans signing a quality vet pass rusher. (Like the Bucs found Barrett.)
Then Drafting a CB/RB/WR?OT. They have the picks in 2020 to get this done. Remember Watt/Duke E. can help fill the edge.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Your initial question was totally rhetorical.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Not at all, you stated that he is a much worse GM that coach and that the Texans were worse off. I asked what you are basing this on as several posters and even "reporters" have presented well crafted arguments showing that is not the case. If you want you could just say that its based off your own opinion and that's fine but you know what they say about opinions and butts.
Mr.Scarface
Rookie
This fallacy about draft picks. Texans are only without 4 picks (the 2 #1s and the #2 and a 6th rounder). First round picks that will probably be in the mid-20s. They have extra 3rd (Compensatory...will be 1, possibility 2) and 4th rounders in 2020 (even with trading 2 - 3rd rounders) in 2020. Conley, Hargreaves are possibly make up for these picks. 2 former 1st round picks could be found money. Having Tunsil (with Stills throw in) is worth the 1st round picks. This idea that they have given up a bunch of "draft capital" is people who hate O'Brien, whining about something.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
See yourself out the back door if you think 1st round picks are meaningless. JJ Watt and Deshaun Watson both say hello. Go look at the great salary cap deals you get for them when they hit as well, and things might make sense. When you have to use the argument of "They'll blow the first round pick any way" you're just being lazy and obtuse about it all on purpose. Everyone knows they needed better protection. We all said it for years. O'brien played a huge role in the disaster situation they were in because of it. Allowing him to continue to dig deeper and deeper into future debt to the salary cap and the diffusion of draft capital is not what a good GM does. Its what a desperate HC battling to save his "personal" job does.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
And here you are spinning things to suit your narrative again. No one said "first round picks are meaningless" what has been said is that Tunsil was worth the first round picks which has already been shown. Also again who said they would blow any first round picks? You put that in quotations so that must mean that you can point to the person that said it. Listen I get it, your beloved Pats have played a weak schedule all season and now are getting exposed, it will be ok. Pats will become just another NFL team and have some good years and some bad years but it will all be ok.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So basically draft capital isn't important now?
Unless you're inside the Texans organization, all ANYONE has is assumptions at this point. Better that they be based in logic and historical (at least for the NFL) context.
Factually inaccurate. Parcells (Jets), Belichick (Patriots), Reid (Eagles had GM in title only and KC followed much the same pattern after firing Dorsey , Shanahan (Redskins used identical setup to Belichick/Pioli). Reid is the only one who was a first time NFL Head Coach among these. Perhaps that's a starting point for having "earned it".
Like you, I'm not losing tons of sleep over this, though I may scratch my head at the moves. I disagree with your earlier statement about this being a "deep" team, though my definition (backups that would start for many teams) may differ from yours.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Without it they wouldn’t have been able to get Tunsil.
I’m remaining on the side of waiting for all this to play out before passing judgment on what BoB the GM has done. Was it all worth it. So far the answer is yes. The future awaits...
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Was it OB playing into that disaster or was it more of Rick Smith refusing to negotiate with Duane Brown? Duane Brown holding out and Rick Smith’s handling of the situation forced us from a bad o-line to a non-existent o-line.
And why is it after Rick Smith and Brian Gaine we so quickly have answers at running back, corner backs, and offensive line?
We are only out one first round draft pick. We are using him now and have the benefit of Watson to not get David Carr’d or have get another collapsed lung.
Worth it.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Agreed that's why I get frustrated when people make statements as though they were fact. Someone wants to draw a logical conclusions based on what's known that's fine but don't then turn around and argue it as though its the truth and disregard the logical conclusion someone else drew just because it doesn't jive with yours.
I stand corrected on those and thank you for the information. I also do agree that it is a lot of power to give to a first time HC and that is the only argument I have seen that actually does make sense. This "has only won 1 playoff game" has nothing to do with being a GM. My counter argument to it is BoB has actually shown that he can rebuild an Org that has been burned to the ground. He took over Penn St at a time when they had been, rightfully so, made an example of and literally weren't allowed to play in the post season even if they had gone undefeated. They also lost 40 scholarships and he still was able to turn it around to a 8-4 season and most wins by a 1st year HC in school history. Does all that translate to NFL success, no of course not, but it also can't be discarded and is more than many first time HC and GMs have done.
Don't recall saying it was a deep team, think I said it was deeper than it had been in a long time which I stand by. For the first time in at least 3 years a starter like Watt going down isn't the death sentence it was. Now if Watson goes down we're screwed no doubt but that's the case for many NFL teams except for Saints and Steelers it seems. Though I freely admit Payton is a better coach and Tomlin should just flat out win coach of the year for what he's done.
banned1976
sleeper mode
The Texans are without a 1st and 3rd in 2020 and a 1st and 2nd in 2021 after Gaine was fired. Worth it? I don’t know. If all the Texans gain from all the moves is a regular season victory over the Patriots the answer (for me, anyway) is a resounding absolutely not. But I do know they’re better now than they would have been had they done nothing
My hope is that the Texans don’t become another team that makes a one year splash and sinks into the abyss for years after. That the moves made have staying power. Being that I’m a clear build-through-the-draft guy I’m concerned about the future of this team. But unlike Tex, I’m not going to jump to conclusion.
I believe the root cause of all this is a OL coach that doesn't know how to develop an OL, plus a HC that doesn't acknowledge that a new OL coach is needed.
Who said this?
They have picks in every rd except the 1st/6th rd and probably 2 comp 3rds, plus Mia. 4th and their own 4th. They have plenty of draft picks.
#JIC
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I agree. Texans need to be competing annually to make this deal work - namely Tunsil.
You can argue the 2nd for Stills is too much. He didn’t fill in as nicely for Fuller when he went down as he should have.
Just like we used two first on Watson, we had to use two firsts on Tunsil. I think people are upset because they undervalue the LT position. And because everyone gets excited from draft picks and the fun of speculating.
Also, building through the draft is important. As you can see - we have used the draft to build. The only draft pick I see missing is the 1st from 2021.
Here’s how the draft picks can be applied -
2020
1st - Tunsil
3rd - Conley
2021
1st -
2nd - Stills
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Lol! You had to go completely off topic instead of addressing what I actually said about the picks. Chicken Little mentality by reaching for a Patriot reference. The Pats have nothing to do with O'Brien's dumb decisions other than beating him out of stealing one of their staff members. That's another little embarrassment that just happened a few months ago that you conveniently ignore. I bet by the end of this season, you're trashing him again.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You can't make that argument without evaluating the ramifications it has to the salary cap from signing a guy when you have no leverage in the negotiation or the consideration of building an Oline with draft picks similar to what the Cowboys did. The fact that it took O'Brien that long to get anything done and screwed up the draft situation, his judgement is all of a sudden trustworthy? And calling Watson the next David Carr/Luck situation has been the most desperate use of hyperbole I've ever seen out of Texan fans to justify a poor move by management. You're reaching for the worst case scenario possible to suggest that we had to do something that was reckless and historically the highest paid fleecing ever for an offensive lineman. In reality we had that shitty offensive line last season and won the division still and had one of the longest if not the longest winning streak in the league at one point. Watson didn't die, and he went on to improve onto this season. The Doomsday scenario wasn't anywhere near likely like you guys keep trying to sell. It was just a desperate move by OB to save his job. You know it was even if you like it any way.
We're fans. We all operate with assumptions, Captain Obvious.
They do keep things in house historically. Which is why this story being released is kinda' weird.
I can only be one of three things:
1. Fake News
2. Real leak from a pro-O'Brien person
3. Real leak from an anti-O'Brien person
I can only speculate which one it is, and at this point, I have no idea.
It's just weird that this is even a story at this point in the season.
It is very unorthodox for teams to have one man be the HC/OC/GM.
Surely you can agree with this, yeah?
So, with that said, why don't teams usually follow that model?
Here comes the logic and reason: Because not many men exist that can be good at all three AT THE SAME TIME.
Heck, it's tough to find a man good at any ONE of those jobs, much less all three at the same time.
Each job is full time. And each job provides balance in various ways.
Having one man do it all is a sort of dictatorship.
Maybe you're right and O'Brien is that man.
I'm just not convinced at this point in time.
My point about one playoff win is that he barely deserves to be HC, much less OC and GM at the same time. Marty Schottenheimer was a good HC for most of 21 years. Won 200 NFL games. But, he only won 5 playoff games. IMO, this is what we have with O'Brien. Just good enough to justify keeping him. . .
That might be an overstatement. I'll know at the end of the 2019 season. He chokes another playoff game and it'll be confirmed. Get this franchise to an AFC Championship game, and win or lose, he's showing clear improvement.
Look, I don't dislike O'Brien. I like him as a person, and could make a case for him as HC.
But, why not let him focus on just becoming a better a head coach while finding a qualified GM that complements his vision for the team?
My own OPINION is that Cal is inexperienced and doesn't know how to interview, much less find, a good GM candidate.
I was being a bit snarky and for that I apologize. I'm not into name calling and should not have went down that road.
Of course all of this conversation is within what I call the "football bubble". None of it should effect our actual real lives. It's just entertainment, and while we can have passion for our entertainment choices, we (especially I) also need to remember that we are just fans and this stuff is just supposed to be fun.
So honestly, I'm sorry for even jokingly suggesting that you could be troll. I don't believe it and my sarcasm was off. It's all good, my friend.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I'll be trashing Bill O'Brien again?
God I hope Kdog reads that.
As for addressing the picks I actually did though I grant you it wasn't in reply to you but if you can be bothered to scroll up I broke down the Tunsil trade and my feelings on it in depth. I'm also not ignoring the Caserio deal, not sure what BoB has to do with that but whatever, I just didn't think it applied to any part of this conversation. However, since you brought it up, I personally would have told the Pats to prove their tampering BS and taken it in front of the league. There is actually a VERY good argument to be made that the contract wording is illegal and violates league rules.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
What conclusion?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
We're fans. We all operate with assumptions, Captain Obvious.
They do keep things in house historically. Which is why this story begin released is kinda' weird.
I can only be one of three things:
1. Fake News
2. Real leak from a pro-O'Brien person
3. Real leak from an anti-O'Brien person
I can only speculate which one it is, and at this point, I have no idea.
It's just weird that this is even a story at this point in the season.
It is very unorthodox for teams to have one man be the HC/OC/GM.
Surely you can agree with this, yeah?
So, with that said, why don't teams usually follow that model?
Here comes the logic and reason: Because not many men exist that can be good at all three AT THE SAME TIME.
Heck, it's tough to find a man good at any ONE of those jobs, much less all three at the same time.
Each job is full time. And each job provides balance in various ways.
Having one man do it all is a sort of dictatorship.
Maybe you're right and O'Brien is that man.
I'm just not convinced at this point in time.
My point about one playoff win is that he barely deserves to be HC, much less OC and GM at the same time. Marty Schottenheimer was a good HC for most of 21 years. Won 200 NFL games. But, he only won 5 playoff games. IMO, this is what we have with O'Brien. Just good enough to justify keeping him. . .
That might be an overstatement. I'll know at the end of the 2019 season. He chokes another playoff game and it'll be confirmed. Get this franchise to an AFC Championship game, and win or lose, he's showing clear improvement.
Look, I don't dislike O'Brien. I like him as a person, and could make a case for him as HC.
But, why not let him focus on just becoming a better a head coach while finding a qualified GM that complements his vision for the team?
My own OPINION is that Cal is inexperienced and doesn't know how to interview, much less find, a good GM candidate.
I was being a bit snarky and for that I apologize. I'm not into name calling and should not have went down that road.
Of course all of this conversation is within what I call the "football bubble". None of it should effect our actual real lives. It's just entertainment, and while we can have passion for our entertainment choices, we (especially I) also need to remember that we are just fans and this stuff is just supposed to be fun.
So honestly, I'm sorry for even jokingly suggesting that you could be troll. I don't believe it and my sarcasm was off. It's all good, my friend.
Pretty much agree with everything you wrote. I like the moves he's made but I'm not convinced by any means he is the long term solution and I still say that this, for me, is his do or die year. I know its actually not and his seat isn't even warm but in my mind after everything I want to see a clear return on the investment. Beating the chiefs and the Pats were very good signs, getting bent over by the Ravens not so much but ultimately that's all they are, signs. You're right that the playoffs will be ultimately what all the signs are pointing to. Hell at this point there is a nagging voice in the back of my mind wondering if it wouldn't be better to fire him as the HC and make him just the GM. He has seemed to improve the team more as GM than he ever did as HC.
Cal I'm not sure about. After firing Gaine I was afraid we had another Jerry Jones type of owner that sticks his nose in everything. Since then though he has stayed pretty silent and seems to let the people he hired do their job for better or worse. Makes me even more curious as to what the real story behind Gaines was because the, seemly, knee jerk reaction of firing him isn't matching the Cal McNair we have seen since. I don't know maybe he really does trust OB that much.
As for the rest its all good man and yeah this is all in fun. I have to remind myself that tone doesn't carry over text and sometimes what I take as someone being serious they were joking and what I meant as a joke they took serious.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Gaine was not fired June 7th well after draft.
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
We're fans. We all operate with assumptions, Captain Obvious.
They do keep things in house historically. Which is why this story begin released is kinda' weird.
I can only be one of three things:
1. Fake News
2. Real leak from a pro-O'Brien person
3. Real leak from an anti-O'Brien person
I can only speculate which one it is, and at this point, I have no idea.
It's just weird that this is even a story at this point in the season.
It is very unorthodox for teams to have one man be the HC/OC/GM.
Surely you can agree with this, yeah?
So, with that said, why don't teams usually follow that model?
Here comes the logic and reason: Because not many men exist that can be good at all three AT THE SAME TIME.
Heck, it's tough to find a man good at any ONE of those jobs, much less all three at the same time.
Each job is full time. And each job provides balance in various ways.
Having one man do it all is a sort of dictatorship.
Maybe you're right and O'Brien is that man.
I'm just not convinced at this point in time.
My point about one playoff win is that he barely deserves to be HC, much less OC and GM at the same time. Marty Schottenheimer was a good HC for most of 21 years. Won 200 NFL games. But, he only won 5 playoff games. IMO, this is what we have with O'Brien. Just good enough to justify keeping him. . .
That might be an overstatement. I'll know at the end of the 2019 season. He chokes another playoff game and it'll be confirmed. Get this franchise to an AFC Championship game, and win or lose, he's showing clear improvement.
Look, I don't dislike O'Brien. I like him as a person, and could make a case for him as HC.
But, why not let him focus on just becoming a better a head coach while finding a qualified GM that complements his vision for the team?
My own OPINION is that Cal is inexperienced and doesn't know how to interview, much less find, a good GM candidate.
I was being a bit snarky and for that I apologize. I'm not into name calling and should not have went down that road.
Of course all of this conversation is within what I call the "football bubble". None of it should effect our actual real lives. It's just entertainment, and while we can have passion for our entertainment choices, we (especially I) also need to remember that we are just fans and this stuff is just supposed to be fun.
So honestly, I'm sorry for even jokingly suggesting that you could be troll. I don't believe it and my sarcasm was off. It's all good, my friend.
Nailed it DB. I like OB but think he's way over his head doing so many things...and the Schottenheimer comparison may not be a stretch at all...like you said, time will tell.
yep, good stuff, man.
(Inside joke: my best bud's wife always tries to make us stop talking football because she walks into the middle of a conversation with a bunch of us dudes and she thinks we are fighting. In reality, men just get excited and our voices get elevated and we look all passionate and stuff, but in truth, this is part of the fun of being a fan. She will never understand. . .now when she walks in we immediately stop talking and just stare at her until she leaves. . .
)I get why Cal would keep O'Brien. He's posting winning records, winning divisions, and we are seeing clear improvement with our franchise QB. There are stories every year of franchises floundering about, going through coaches, and having very little success. If Cal fired O'Brien, I have no doubt he would be a HC for another team next season.
I hope I am completely wrong and O'Brien is our Belichick for the next 20 years. That means lots of winning and championships, and I'd be the first to admit that I was wrong (and happily so).
I'm not sure what to think of Cal, tbh. We have very little to go by, just a couple of direct interviews when his dad was alive but really very little tangible since his death.
As far as O'Brien the GM (if that is truly the current structure), time will tell. Yeah, I'm skeptical, but that's me by nature. I want to be wrong, because 2-14 sucks.
Heck, this could be some kind of Machiavellian plan to keep everyone off, including Caserio. I have no idea. It's fun to think about, tho'.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I'm reading alot of hypocrisy in this thread.
When Rick traded a 1st and 2nd, alot of posters were saying "he crippled the 2018 draft". Even though it helped us get DW4, had two extra 3rds and two extra 6ths.
When BOB does something similar, it was necessary and we're still in good shape draft-wise.
When Rick traded a 1st and 2nd, alot of posters were saying "he crippled the 2018 draft". Even though it helped us get DW4, had two extra 3rds and two extra 6ths.
When BOB does something similar, it was necessary and we're still in good shape draft-wise.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
The flip flopping from the prisoner of the moment extremists is endless around here.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I agree with most of what you said, except for the bolded. I think our defense took a bigger hit when Watt went down this season, compared to previous seasons when Watt went down.
That has nothing to do with waiting until AFTER the next draft to get a new GM...unless it's Caserio. (Which is still my point)
Texansballer74
The Marine
Most definitely but in the near future it could come back to bite us. Then those same members will probably say it was a bad move. But still give Bob a pass since he tried.
I’m in the camp of waiting it out as well. I just like viewing all the probabilities.
Like if the big fella does agree to a long term deal with us. And we end up making a deep into the playoffs or finally winning a SB. Then that will be the best move the Texans have ever made IMO.
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I don't recall 'a lot of posters saying that... maybe a lot of posts, but not different posters
Texansballer74
The Marine
That was a great exchange Double Barrel and Maverick. I enjoyed every bit of it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Find a post of mine that says that.
I probably was like let’s wait and see.
I probably said he doesn’t need to run as much or he is going to get hurt.
I know I did say we should start Savage to use as trade bait if he turns out serviceable. Plus the line was trash so let him get the hits and sacks. And because OB could get fired at the end of the season so why let OB ruin DW. I was hoping Reid would get fired to bring him here. After the Ravens game I was hoping for Roman to come here.
Because I figured on Watson being the franchise, I wanted him healthy and have a chance before getting ruined by taking too many hits or injured. Like a collapsed lung. Plus - I was expecting OB to be out. Still not the biggest fan.
Since I believe that why wouldn’t I be happy with the trade? Franchise QB safe? Awesome.
But - because I stay balanced - I criticize both OB AND Watson, people have assumed I am a OB Apologist and a Watson hater.
I am neither.
I am a Texans fan and want the Texans to win.
That’s why when OB sucks I will say he sucks. The board handles that well.
But these fanboys with their Watson candles and their belief that he does no wrong can’t stomach when people point out Watson still has some growth and learning to do. Or when he throws an interception that it’s on him. Or when someone points out he plays bad.
Texan fan first. Always.
I wouldn't have spent that on Watson. I would've built up the OL 1st then drafted a QB. These kinds of decisions are why RS isn't back into the NFL.