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Texans: Derek Stingley Jr.

thunderkyss said:
We would be laughing our buttsoff if Jacksonville or Dallas drafted Stingley at 3
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I wouldn’t, I would be saying the same thing I am now which it’s a huge gamble that is the ultimate boom or bust in this draft. The only thing I would be saying different is I’m glad Caserio didn’t roll those dice. As is I have to settle for I wish Caserio hadn’t rolled those dice.
 
Mr teX said:
Kid broke off a 4.37 40 and a 38 in vert…..7 months post lisfranc…i can get on board with the pick…but to me its an absolute MUST we get 1 of these top rated o-linemen at 13 now.
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Agree. Neal and Ickey will probably be gone, but Cross may still be there.
BullRushTX said:
Sure. Top pick on a player with injury issues. Why not?
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It's a rough sport - players get injured all the time and no-one is immune. Any one of the players drafted tonite could be injured in the first few games.
 
Texansphan said:
Agree. Neal and Ickey will probably be gone, but Cross may still be there.

It's a rough sport - players get injured all the time and no-one is immune. Any one of the players drafted tonite could be injured in the first few games.
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Lis franc is a bad one though
 
They have a miserable 4-13 season to get this pick, do they really need to be making risky boom or bust picks with it? Save the risks for later on in the draft.

Stingley may boom and make the pick a worthy one, but man, you had Ekwonu and Neal both sitting there, and Sauce too for that matter. Not that any of them can’t bust, but still. At least none of them are coming off a significant foot injury.

I’d say I’m disappointed in their approach here but then I kinda half ass expected it.
 
Stingley has the ability to lock down an opponent’s number 1 WR. He not only got exposure against top CBs in the SEC but he got to practice against Jamarr Chase and Justin Jefferson as a freshmen.

He also has elite ball skills which no doubt made Lovie fall in love.

Lets hope this pick is a boom rather than a bust.
 
Texansphan said:
Yeah, I'm waiting to see myself. He did run a 4:37 at his recent pro day - you can't do that with a bad Linsfranc.
He was strong on the other disciplines as well.
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Yes you can on a repaired lisfranc, but per my April 10 post:

CloakNNNdagger said:
Not really. A lisfranc repaired foot is a chronic wear down problem. His straight 40 run is impressive, but does not reflect maximum taxing of the lisfranc repair. The drills that would be most important are the ones he demonstrated in pretty mundane terms. As a CB, the fast start and stop as well as the sudden change of direction and the jumping will place constant stress on the lisfranc repair. After jumping for a ball, he would not uncommonly come down on one foot, something that could put too much stress on that foot. Lisfrancs universally will leave the foot weak to varying degrees, and with chronic pain when stressed...............both can easily lead to compensatory injuries.

He could fare decently in the NFL, but if even so, I wouldn't take bets long term.
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Why would Texans assume such a huge risk when they require longevity, availability and productivity from their 1st round one pick in years?

Head scratcher, think they got lost in his 2019 tape, odds are stacked against him ever regaining that form (He played in just 10 games in his final two seasons at LSU, sidelined by a leg injury and Lisfranc surgery) however if anyone can fully recover from Lisfranc it would be a Stingley. Even if he’s only 75% he brings character, leadership and technique Lovie covets.

Selecting Derek Stingley Jr. when they could of had Ahmad Sauce Gardner is a cultural pick. They can only hope he returns to his freshman form and production before injury @ LSU ((32 total passes defensed and interceptions in 25 games).
 
Here is a question that I have: Will his previous injury make it difficult for him to perform at a high level for a long period of time? Bursts of extreme greatness every now and then is not what the Texans need IMO. The Texans need to be able to depend on that player to consistently be on the field and playing at a very high quality level.
 
beerlover said:
Why would Texans assume such a huge risk when they require longevity, availability and productivity from their 1st round one pick in years?

Head scratcher, think they got lost in his 2019 tape, odds are stacked against him ever regaining that form (He played in just 10 games in his final two seasons at LSU, sidelined by a leg injury and Lisfranc surgery) however if anyone can fully recover from Lisfranc it would be a Stingley. Even if he’s only 75% he brings character, leadership and technique Lovie covets.

Selecting Derek Stingley Jr. when they could of had Ahmad Sauce Gardner is a cultural pick. They can only hope he returns to his freshman form and production before injury @ LSU ((32 total passes defensed and interceptions in 25 games).
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It’s just an intangible for me but Stingley definitely is more confident and serious looking than Gardner who, to me, seems a little flippant and there is just something about his stringy body that bothers me…kinda like a teenager still trying to mature physically. Texans want football players with pro attitudes. This will pay off.
 
The athletic had a good write up on why stingley is a better choice over sauce.

"Stingley’s approach carries a high degree of difficulty at the professional level, but it is a safe way to eliminate explosive play potential and disrupts the timing for easy throws on the perimeter. Gardner is an impressive player in press coverage, but I prefer Stingley’s patience to Gardner’s overzealous hands in a league that loves to call holding and illegal contact penalties."

" Gardner can snatch poorly thrown passes out of the air, but he’s at his best when using his wingspan to bat the ball away. This is a product of his play style, too: Playing tight to routes so often doesn’t leave much room to come away with the ball, unless it’s a pure 50/50 situation. Knocking away throws is valuable, but Stingley’s ability to snatch the ball out of the air is harder to find. If he were a receiver, Stingley would still be in the conversation as one of the best players attacking the football in this draft class."

" Stingley checks every box: He’s adept at the line of scrimmage, can handle every route on the tree, trusts himself to play the throw and has the ball skills to do something when the ball arrives. I would like to see him play a little more aggressively at times, and his tackling is below the expectations I have for a player of his caliber, but there isn’t a receiver who will line up across from Stingley and believe any production will come easily." - diante Lee
 
Found this:-
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NFL Draft: Top CB Derek Stingley Jr. makes amazing recovery

A fully healthy Derek Stingley Jr. makes for one incredible NFL Draft prospect at cornerback. LSU football star Derek Stingley Jr. has fully recovered fr...
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No doubt we will be wringing our hands about this one ad nauseam, so rather than doing that, I am taking the wait and see stance.
One has to think that Carstereo was fully aware of all the ramifications before he made that pick and did his homework.
 
The first slight surprise of the draft, but not one I will quibble with given the unbelievable pure cover skills Stingley offers. Lovie Smith knows an exceptional talent when he sees it, and Stingley's blend of fluidity, speed and ball-skills is special. There is no denying that his durability concerns raised red flags — thus the slightly lower grade — but Stingley is a future NFL interception leader. Grade: B+
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"Lovie Smith knows an exceptional talent when he sees it", "Lovie Smith knows an exceptional talent when he sees it", "Lovie Smith knows an exceptional talent when he sees it" !
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This is what some guy at Fox sports said about our top pick, and I keep telling it to myself for comfort because of my disappointment and frustration with the pick. There's 10 players, including most of all "Sauce" I would have chosen last night instead of Stingley @ #3 overall.
I think I'm gonna be OK, especially since it will soon be Friday night when as I watch the next 2 rounds of the Draft I can
consume a "couple" of IPAs and get shixx- faced !
 
After having slept on it, this is still a bad pick. In fact, I'm disliking it more today than I did yesterday. Caserio can still have a good draft, but this isn't a good start to one.
 
Texansphan said:
... One has to think that Carstereo was fully aware of all the ramifications before he made that pick and did his homework.
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I have my doubts Caserio is "fully aware" of "all ramifications" of Stinley's recovery from his lisfranc injury. He's fully aware that medical authorities have cleared him to play and he's fully aware of his pro day results. But is he aware enough to even ask and consider the longer term aspects of the Injury. Does he care? In our society most people only concern themselves with the short term. And I seriously doubt that Caserio would even answer a question about this or identify which doctor would give a positive long term outlook.

What is the over under that Stingley's 5th year option will be exercised?
 
Toro Bravo said:
Does anybody really think the Texans didn't do their due diligence on all of these top prospects? The difference is in character and makeup. Sauce would never meet the Easterby factor.
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What about Gardner doesn't meet anyone's "factor"? I have seen nothing for you to suggest he has any issues. Why bring Easterby up when nothing indicates his influence was involved? Was he in the Texans draft room?
 
I take little comfort in medical authorities clearing someone of an injury in the NFL. It's not like so much of the rest of the world when it comes to the rest of your career and your life. Also since 2001 or so we've been watching injuries wreak havoc with the Texans. Got your franchise LT to watch David Carr's back? The surgery went well and he's going to be practicing before the end of camp! Found your franchise RB and gave him a new contract? The doctors say his knee surgery went well and he should be back next season! Got another future franchise LT prospect? Career ending knee destruction. Bargain-basement Pro-Bowl QB? I'm sure he'll be back to normal next year when his Lisfranc injury has healed. Cushing was a series of injuries and don't get me started on the Bennie Joppru "saga". None of it is any of their individual faults and in most cases it could never have been predicted. It just has anyone who watched it a whole lot gun shy about injuries and so drafting one coming off an injury at 3 overall makes me nervous. If it works out he's maybe the best player in the draft you say? Well, tell me how often things "work out" in Houston football please.
 
Number19 said:
I have my doubts Caserio is "fully aware" of "all ramifications" of Stinley's recovery from his lisfranc injury. He's fully aware that medical authorities have cleared him to play and he's fully aware of his pro day results. But is he aware enough to even ask and consider the longer term aspects of the Injury. Does he care? In our society most people only concern themselves with the short term. And I seriously doubt that Caserio would even answer a question about this or identify which doctor would give a positive long term outlook.

What is the over under that Stingley's 5th year option will be exercised?
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Okay, so NC is an ignoramus.
 
HouTx11 said:
Here is a question that I have: Will his previous injury make it difficult for him to perform at a high level for a long period of time? Bursts of extreme greatness every now and then is not what the Texans need IMO. The Texans need to be able to depend on that player to consistently be on the field and playing at a very high quality level.
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See post 67 from a surgeon...
 
I know Texans fans don't have a good relationship with Lisfranc injuries... but are there any recovery success stories elsewhere in the NFL? Is there any player that had lisfranc, but had a very successful recovery?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Don't overthink it — CB Derek Stingley Jr. is worth a top-10 pick in the 2022 NFL Draft

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Didn't like it or agree with it when it was published a month ago and still don't
 
Can a mod merge my original thread into this one?

badboy said:
Many questions and comments so here's his own thread.
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Is Derek Stingley Jr. the Jets’ Corner of the Future?

He might be one of the best cornerbacks in this draft class, but the Jets should think twice before they pick Derek Stingley Jr. in the first round
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2022 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Derek Stingley Jr. | Prime Time Sports Talk

Cornerback Derek Stingley Jr has been a big-name prospect ever since he made it to LSU. Going into this upcoming draft, where does he stand?
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Texanmike02 said:
My hope is that lis franc @ 18/19 is different than at 32. Maybe it is. I don't know how common they are for teenagers but who knows. @CloakNNNdagger ?
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I have only come across a couple examples of athletes in their teens post lisfranc repair, without long-term follow up. What seems to be consistent with all repairs is that at least 20% already demonstrate significant x-ray findings of degenerative osteoarthritis by the short period of 2 years. With delay of repair, that number would be expected to quickly increase. Stingley's history reflects repeated injury and long delay in addressing it surgically. An important point as far as age is that degenerative osteoarthritis cannot be reversed (maybe sometimes it can only be slowed), so that the earlier that it is established, the sooner it becomes a functional problem.

When I post about injuries, I try to take prognosis from my own experience, the literature experience and the logical expected progressions. No one, including me, has the power to predict an ultimate outcome with absolute certainty...........including this one.
 
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My read on both our guys in round one and their injury history: Car sterio needs to make impact in 2022 and 2023 despite how long his contract is. After then he will be half through his 6 year deal.* If Sting and Green are what their hype indicates these two seasons, I think it gives Nick a pass from ownership if not fans. It also gives him '23 and '24 drafts to select replacement(s) if that seems to be indicated after 17- 34 actual games of stress on the extremities. GM has made high risk bets round one & I wonder if that continues or if he locks and loads with different strategy tonight and Saturday.

EDIT: Doc's post above mine indicates to me that my 2-3 year gambit suggestion could be correct.
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The Houston Texans reportedly gave Nick Caserio a six-year contract that will make him "one of the three highest-paid GMs in the league."

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported the details of Caserio's contract. According to Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk, Caserio's deal has a base value of $30 million and can max out at $36 million.
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Report: Nick Caserio to Be Among Top-Paid GMs Under 6-Year Texans Contract

The Houston Texans reportedly gave Nick Caserio a six-year contract that will make him " one of the three highest-paid GMs in the league." ESPN's Adam Schefter reported the details of Caserio's contract...
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badboy said:
My read on both our guys in round one and their injury history: Car sterio needs to make impact in 2022 and 2023 despite how long his contract is. After then he will be half through his 6 year deal.* If Sting and Green are what their hype indicates these two seasons, I think it gives Nick a pass from ownership if not fans. It also gives him '23 and '24 drafts to select replacement(s) if that seems to be indicated after 17- 34 actual games of stress on the extremities. GM has made high risk bets round one & I wonder if that continues or if he locks and loads with different strategy tonight and Saturday.

EDIT: Doc's post above mine indicates to me that my 2-3 year gambit suggestion could be correct.
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bleacherreport.com

Report: Nick Caserio to Be Among Top-Paid GMs Under 6-Year Texans Contract

The Houston Texans reportedly gave Nick Caserio a six-year contract that will make him " one of the three highest-paid GMs in the league." ESPN's Adam Schefter reported the details of Caserio's contract...
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The sad take on this is Nick Caserio is a novice and was never prepared to be General Manager. As a GM he came to Houston as a pure amateur and it clearly shows. His job in New England was to basically review, organize and file scouting reports.
 
dream_team said:
I know Texans fans don't have a good relationship with Lisfranc injuries... but are there any recovery success stories elsewhere in the NFL? Is there any player that had lisfranc, but had a very successful recovery?
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The question is why in the world would you flip a coin on the #3 pick?
 
Dejaview said:
In his presser last night nobody even asked NC about the lisfranc. NC said it was an all in decision to draft him. They loved his professionalism and technique.
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One answer to my question what has Caserio had to say about the lisfranc.
 
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