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Texans come to terms with Arian Foster
- Thread starter TheMatrix31
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Nope, nothing on the show nor on any NFL sites as to the terms of the deal. Only thing we know is that it's for 5 years. So we won't need to re-sign him until he's 30
At least we'll likely get his remaining great years. If i saw another fan of a different team saying how great Foster would look in a different uniform i was gonna lose it.
aussie_texan
Veteran
whoops didn't see the other thread
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
aussie_texan
Veteran
5.9 mil per 610 this morning. Would have been 2 mil lower if it was only the 120% increase in play.
badboy
Hall of Fame
That's a good number for both sides imo. Still have time for more negotiations and announcements. Entire fan base has a sigh of relief.
Edit: I thought # was for Foster. My bad.
I don't think that is correct...
I heard that and I thought they were wrong...
Everything I've seen has said that OL are just considered OL now and they don't make distcinctions by position so franchising a center would be just like franchising a LT...
5.9 mil sounds kind of low if that is the case...
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
That's not right at all. Did John McClain say it? Cause that sounds like something he would get wrong.
http://www.draftinsiders.com/content/nfl-free-agency-2012-franchise-tag-values-position
aussie_texan
Veteran
harrison smith and peyton...this is going to be one hell of an off-season and straight out of left field if this happens
Those things would likely coincide. There's only one way to explain that exponentially large forehead of his
DonnyMost
lol football :D
Seems weird that they would classify the entire OL as "one position" in terms of the franchise tag value.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
It was just part of the negotiations with players. The idea was to keep the tag cost as high as possible so that only true franchise players get the tag. They combine all linebacker positions as well. Here's the list of the numbers compared to 2011 values:
DonnyMost
lol football :D
It was just part of the negotiations with players. The idea was to keep the tag cost as high as possible so that only true franchise players get the tag. They combine all linebacker positions as well. Here's the list of the numbers compared to 2011 values:
Oh I understand the reasoning behind it, I still just think it is funny/weird. To me that would be like lumping all safeties and cornerbacks into a "DB" category for franchise purposes, or not differentiating between DEs and DLs. Kind of sucks for tackles to have their tag value dragged down by guards and centers.
The salary differential for MLBs/OLBs isn't that much different, IIRC. But the difference between those other groups seems pretty significant.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
I am so freaking happy about this!!!!! The best RB in the game is a Texan for the next 5 years.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
It doesn't drag the tag amount down - it potentially increases it. The formula uses the five and ten largest salaries, so either all five/ten are LTs anyway, or there is a guard or center who's in the top five/ten which actually drives it higher than if it had only been calculated using only LTs
DonnyMost
lol football :D
You're right, it increases the payday for the G/C, doesn't reduce it for the Ts. Although, since we're in a salary cap league, money into one man's pocket basically amounts to money taken from another man's (especially when someone is getting overpaid, i.e. a guard making left tackle money). I still don't agree with the lumping of all linemen together as a position, that just seems silly. At the very least split them into interior and exterior positions.
Actually, come to think of it, the tackles probably hate this practice, because it makes them more likely to be targets of the franchise tag, while interior linemen are less likely to be hit with it, simply because of the pay disparity. No front office is going to want to pay an interior lineman elite tackle level money. So, the interior linemen probably love this even more.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Great for Foster. He deserved it. Now let's us hope he doesn't go all Chris Johnson or Shaun Alexander on the Texans and keeps running as hard as he does....
Keep Arian Weird!
Keep Arian Weird!
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
No sigh of relief cause i knew he wasnt going anywhere....it was just a matter of if they were going to franchise him or not & how close they were going to let negotiations go to the deadline....looks like the texans rewarded him for not holding out & making a stink last year......on to the next one.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I feel the same way, wasn't gonna loose any sleep over it cause Foster was not going anywhere...
note: wasn't gonna lose sleep on it if he did go....
To add on to this from Jason La Canfora:
Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant
Goodbye, Mario.
Great number for the Texans. Just a little over 8 mill is well within what I wanted to see.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Ozzie Newsome just threw up in his mouth a little bit....
Now Ray Rice knows what he is gonna want and he is basically tell the Ravens to....
wait for it.....
waaaaait for it....
almost there....
The key number is the guaranteed which is "only" 20.75 M, that's a good deal
IMO for the Texans. And the bulk of the comp is over 3 years while Arian should be in his prime (26, 27, 28).
BullNation4Life
All Pro
That don't make no sense! (see if anybody can name the movie)
Said $30 mil in the first 3 years, then $18 mil in 2012? Huh?
Wouldn't it be $10 mil per for 3 years then $9 mil per the last 2?
Is my backwoods math acting up again?
Section516
Warrior
Regarding Myers.
Center Chris Myers is a guy they really cant afford to lose. But a tag number of $9.5 million factors in left tackle contracts as there is one tag number for all offensive linemen. I think they should put it on him if they can, hopefully as a stopgap to buy time to negotiate something long term. I dont know their cap specifics right now, but believe it would be awfully difficult to make this work.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth
Center Chris Myers is a guy they really cant afford to lose. But a tag number of $9.5 million factors in left tackle contracts as there is one tag number for all offensive linemen. I think they should put it on him if they can, hopefully as a stopgap to buy time to negotiate something long term. I dont know their cap specifics right now, but believe it would be awfully difficult to make this work.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
signing bonus is included in 2012
eg. 12m signing bonus + 6m sal in '12
3m bonus + 3M SAL IN '13
3m bomus + 3m sal in '14
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
$18 million in 2012 refers to the signing bonus + 2012 salary. So, the bonus is probably $15 million spread out over the life of the contract. If so, Foster would count $6 million against this year's cap: $3 million prorated bonus, $3 million salary. But, he would physically collect $18 million in 2012
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I don't think that is all coming off the cap. I think it is his base salary, which will come off the cap, plus part of his guaranteed money that equals up to $18 million this year....
so possibly 6.5 base plus 11.5 for the guaranteed money or something like that is what I am guessing....
BullNation4Life
All Pro
yeah I just found that out and posted below. That makes more sense...
So 6 million off the cap of what? What is the final cap number?
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Not a bad number then.
Exactly - gotta know how much of the 18 million can be amortized/prorated over multiple years.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Your numbers don't add up because you are double counting the signing bonus for 2013/14. That's only 24 million paid out over 3 years. I think Dale got it right with the 15 mill signing bonus and 3 million salary in 2012. Sounds about right to me, but I would guess the signing bonus is a little lower than that.
Also this is cool:
‏@evansilva
DeAngelo Williams received more guaranteed than Foster. Williams was baseline for Foster deal. Foster >>>>> Williams. #Texans got a steal.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
ya it was just an example... and fwiw i wasnt double counting, i just presumed he wouldnt be getting the whole garuntee in the signing bonus
1bigfan13
Thundering Up
Glad to that we were able to lock him up. $18M this year is a lot for a RB.
Good work on his agent's part. Teams are known for using RB up then dumping them during the final few years of deals when the players were supposed to make the most money.
Those so called "back loaded" deals rarely work out for the players. Foster and his agent did the smart thing.
$18M for a RB stings a little, though.
Good work on his agent's part. Teams are known for using RB up then dumping them during the final few years of deals when the players were supposed to make the most money.
Those so called "back loaded" deals rarely work out for the players. Foster and his agent did the smart thing.
$18M for a RB stings a little, though.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
If it's not $18m against the cap, then who cares really?
This is great news on Foster but it does leave the questions open now about Mario. My thinking, and maybe it's backwards, was that the Texans would renegotiate with other players to free up more money 1st, and then sign Mario next. After that, start signing Foster, Myers, Brisiel, etc with what they had left over. Now I'm wondering if this means they won't try to sign Mario and let him go to FA.
