The1ApplePie
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A No. 2 also needs to make plays when the No. 1 is taken away (see Santonio Holmes in the Super Bowl)
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A No. 2 also needs to make plays when the No. 1 is taken away (see Santonio Holmes in the Super Bowl)
You mean like the 76 yards per game Walter averaged last year when AJ was out for 7 weeks? Even though Andre Davis was slotted as the Z receiver and filling in for AJ.
Spread that out over a 16 game season and it equates to about 1200 yards.
bah007
Hall of Fame
You usually have a good take on things but I really don't see where you're going with this one.
Walter is easily in the top half of #2 WR's in the league. He gets open, he gets first downs, and he blocks like a TE.
What more could you want?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Interesting to note that the only "evidence" Apple seems to have is the Raiders game where the team as a whole played like crap OD went over 100 yards.
I think everyone can agree there is much more "evidence" for drafting almost any other position over WR with our # 1 pick.
I think everyone can agree there is much more "evidence" for drafting almost any other position over WR with our # 1 pick.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Santonio Holmes never got 100 yards during the season, he made his biggest impact in the playoffs.
Here's our backups during AJ's absence in 2007.
Kevin Walter:
IND: 2 for 17
@ATL: 6 for 77
MIA: 5 for 67
@Jac:12 for 160
TEN: 6 for 97
@SD: 7 for 77
@OAK: 3 for 33
Andre Davis:
IND:4 for 70
@ATL: 5 for 117
MIA: 4 for 79
@JAC3 for 30
Ten: 4 for 88
@SD: 1 for 6
@OAK: 2 for 51
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
I'll take a shot on a first round scenario:Orakpo, Brown and Maybin all get picked before we get on the clock. One or two teams get a little hot and heavy for Josh Freeman and we trade down much like last year for a 3. Our first rounder is either Paul Kruger or Larry English, who just weighed in at 274.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
What about this tackle from Nebrasks- Murtha? He ran a 4.84 40 yard dash and played both tackle positions for them. I've heard very little talk about thim but I liked what I saw and think maybe he's a possibility for us in the midrounds- converting to Guard.
DiehardChris
You betcha!
I don't want any part of Maybin. Obviously - trading down is the best case for everyone... but unless a QB or elite LT slides, I don't see anyone trading up to 15.
I think we all need to prepare ourselves for the likelihood of not being able to trade down.
But if we did - Kruger's my guy, although English at 274 is intriguing. I assume that extra weight is muscle and he didn't show up out of shape?
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
Couldn't tell you how English looked I just know the weight. Maybin also packed on the lbs and is about 250 now. If he does get drafted to play DE I think he could easily put on another 10-15. Kruger was 265 and he is a couple years older. I really think English might be a good darkhorse candidate, 274 is legit DE weight. I'm very curious to see how he works out.
I agree with you about the difficulty of projecting a trade down and pulling it off but I think Rick Smith understands that he doesn't have to get a 2nd rounder to make a deal like that. Much easier for a team to give up a three to move up. Freeman and Sanchez are the only two QBs we could see at that spot so there is certainly a chance. Its still highly unlikely that Crabtree slips that far but there is some uncertainty now.
Anyone see that South Park where Cartman gets Butters to freeze him up in the mountains so he can wake him up right when Nintendo Wii comes out? I am so contemplating that, the draft cannot get here fast enough.
there is a bit of middle ground on the Texans WRs. Walter is a good, quality player that you don't need to go out of your way to upgrade and the Texans offense was largely efficient in moving the ball (scoring not so much). That said, if you were confident that a 3rd WR whether it was as "number 2" or "number 3" takes the texans offense into becoming truly dynamic then adding another WR, even a high draft pick is acceptable in my mind. The goal is to have a better team, and sometimes that means doing what you are ready well, better versus trying to fix a problem with someone who is not any better than what you already have.
In short, the texans need to win two or three more football games in 2009 to make the playoffs. If they do because they score 7 points more a game instead of allowing 7 fewer points a game is not that important to me.
Really has not done much on the field, as has been thought of as a late rounder. Seems to have lots of injury issues. NFL.com link
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lydon-murtha?id=81853
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Who is the better prospect going into their drafts , Duane Brown or William Beatty ?
painekiller
All Pro
He has recently been considered a 7th rounder to UDFA. Today's number make him pick worthy, but should not push him into the 4th or 5th rounds.
Everything I can tell is that they are pretty close. Beatty is thought is thought to be late 1st or early 2nd. Probably a little ahead of Brown at this point of the draft process, but not significantly so. Brown was considered a so-called late riser, but from what i remember carried a pretty solid 2nd round, which was higher for some schemes (see Texans).
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/william-beatty?id=71199
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Herman Johnson no way, no how fits this scheme. He absolutely with out a doubt does not have the feet to play any where along our o-line....at any position. The first thing you'd have to do to draft this guy is shoot Kubiak and Gibbs, because the only way we'd draft this guy is over their cold dead corpses.
Sorry reread your post...you're talking about a move to defense. I'm still holding out hope someone will jerk a cattle prod up Okam's kester and get him on the right path........
You know another crazy Idea would be to see if Maybin could play a little offense.
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threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
This is why you look at the guys body of work and the other drills. In a straight line he is superman....when he has to move laterally or do anything with the hips, he's Lois Lane....Just say no to Murtha. What was that guy's name last year...Was at the shirner's game and I think he got drafted by Denver late...Columbo, or something like that. Very stiff moving side to side.
Now Jamon Merideth....if you can figure out the character thingy....very fluid hips. Nice speed. Nice lifts...what got him benched at South Carolina in the middle of the season ? The numbers say this guy will be a great ZBS guard at the next level.
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threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Depends IMHO, what you want. I kinda of enjoy watching Duane pancaking guys in the running game. Beaty has the better feet as a pass protector.
TimeKiller
Guest
Trading back into the late 1st and picking up Clay Matthews would be fine by me. Him with Ryans in the middle and Adibi/Diles across would make a formidable middle attack. Still would get a decent DE in the 2nd or 3rd as well.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Well we got the pretty boys today. Ho Hum. We'll see how many running backs are in the pile for the Texans to wait and take one with the second pick on the second day. Remember seven to ten touches per game. The only way the rookie would get more in this system is if Slaton has a disaterous injury.
I like Quinn Johnson also if everyone of the other 31 clubs turn their nose at the guy for five rounds. I like Moats and Sapp. But I know what they bring to the table. It isn't enough to catch the Colts.
I like Quinn Johnson also if everyone of the other 31 clubs turn their nose at the guy for five rounds. I like Moats and Sapp. But I know what they bring to the table. It isn't enough to catch the Colts.
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How about Jared Cook, TE Height:6'5" 246 and just ran a 4.50 forthy. I would like to see him do some DE drills. Think he coudl run the arc?threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I think Mathews has proven with his off season work he's going to make someone a fine Sam.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Eye popping numbers. I my self would pay OD and worry about the defense this draft. If the Texans brain trust was looking for OD insurance....I wouldn't do it. But with all the smoke McClain is throwing out there who knows. Want a 4.5 TE gotta spend a two on him.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
He was also the #1 TE to perform in the vertical and broad jump at 41" and 10'3".
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Some WR numbers:
Deon Butler: 4.26
Knox: 4.25
DHB: 4.32
Harvin: 4.38
McKinely: 4.33
Underwood: 4.33
L Murphy: 4.36
That's pretty freaking insane. I hope that elevates some WR's into the top 14.
Robiskie is having a good combine as well as Britt and Nicks.
EDIT:
Official times:
Heyward-Bey, Darrius 4.30
Wallace, Mike 4.33
Knox, Johnny 4.34
Butler, Deon 4.38
Thomas, Mike 4.40
Underwood, Tiquan 4.41
Harvin, Percy 4.41
Byrd, Demetrius 4.42
Murphy, Louis 4.43
McKinley, Kenny 4.44
That's a pretty fast group of receivers.
Deon Butler: 4.26
Knox: 4.25
DHB: 4.32
Harvin: 4.38
McKinely: 4.33
Underwood: 4.33
L Murphy: 4.36
That's pretty freaking insane. I hope that elevates some WR's into the top 14.
Robiskie is having a good combine as well as Britt and Nicks.
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Official times:
Heyward-Bey, Darrius 4.30
Wallace, Mike 4.33
Knox, Johnny 4.34
Butler, Deon 4.38
Thomas, Mike 4.40
Underwood, Tiquan 4.41
Harvin, Percy 4.41
Byrd, Demetrius 4.42
Murphy, Louis 4.43
McKinley, Kenny 4.44
That's a pretty fast group of receivers.
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threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Eye popping numbers. We better had get the defense straighted out pdq. Or we're going to get run out of the park next year. I think the NFL is going to get a lot faster with this class of TE and WRs. There's a herd of them coming in. When you got a guy like Pat White and his 4.5 looks pedestrian, that's some speed on the board. Agreed on Robiskie.... Him or Nicks would be a pretty good new toy for Manning. Nice draft class for the Titans & Jags. If you're looking for Wide outs, there's a pile of them on the board.
The guys getting killed by this class are the veterans who are free agents and bubble guys. If I were Jacoby Jones....I'd buy fifty footballs and find four or five punters. Hire them to kick me the ball a couple of hours a day until I got it. Gotta think Kubes will be tempted by some of this speed floating around.
Stephen Mcgee threw the ball very well. I still like Holbrook, sundial time and all. He is a pretty fair free agent- PS guy. He has a nice ball.
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bah007
Hall of Fame
Holbrook might not get drafted but he looks like one of those guys that will get signed as a free agent and stick around for a while.
When you can throw like him, there is a place for you in the NFL, even if it's on the 3rd string.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Looks like he also ran the fastest 40-yd dash out of the QB's (4.66). Not that it has anything to do with how well he plays the position, but we all know how these draft types hold the 40 in such high regard.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Pat White ran a 4.5. While a lot of people aren't looking at him as a QB, he has done very well for himself in passing drills.
DiehardChris
You betcha!
Has Gartrell Johnson ran the 40 yet? I know it's gonna be slow, I just want to know how slow.
4.71
DiehardChris
You betcha!
Ah, thanks Lucky!
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Big boy can run! I like it.
DiehardChris
You betcha!
Xcellerator
Waterboy
Andre Brown at 4.49 should be good. (:
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
He also ran in the low 4.6s and they let/asked him to run a third time. 4.62 I believe was his last one so yeah he ran a sub 4.5 but I don't know which times scouts would put more emphasis on. NFL Network guys were saying they should throw out the fast time fwiw.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I believe if you run twice they average your times together.
And if you run three they throw out the top and bottom.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
That makes sense. In this case the two slow times were pretty much identical so there wasn't really any middle ground. I'm sure they still keep it in mind that he ran a sub 4.5 though, would be silly to completely sweep that under the rug. I know a lot of baseball scouts that will see a 93 mph fastball mixed in with a bunch of upper 80's and say if he did it once he can do it again.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I think Brian Robiskie looked like the class of the WR group. If I needed a starting WR on my team and couldn't get Crabtree, I'd take that guy in a second- even ahead of Maclin. Other than injury issues, I see no way that guy isn't an immediately productive NFL receiver... and, anyone that can run a 4.50 and run such good routes will have no trouble getting open in the NFL.
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P
Polo
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Where do you guys think Ian Johnson will go...
I'm hoping the Texans pick him up....
He seems to have performed well in all of the drills...
I'm hoping the Texans pick him up....
He seems to have performed well in all of the drills...
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
maybin weighed in at 249 lbs & ran slower than both of the top guys. that's not gonna get it at DE...He's officially off my radar for the 1st round..
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
IMO, he'll be lucky to get drafted. I just don't think he's a very good RB at all. Heck, I think he was even demoted this past season.
I'm hoping the Texans do not pick him up.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
40 times of DEs and DTs is even more overrated then 40 times for RBs.
Ever seen a DE have to run 40 yards to make a sack?
The ten yard split is the number I'd be most interested in, well that and the agility drill times.
Ever seen a DE have to run 40 yards to make a sack?
The ten yard split is the number I'd be most interested in, well that and the agility drill times.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I think there are 3 times given in the 40. If you notice there are 2 beeps towards the first half of the 40 and one at the finish. I think they are pulling times at the beginning of the 40 as well.
I could be wrong, but why else would they have the other 2 sensors in place?
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I think there are 3 times given in the 40. If you notice there are 2 beeps towards the first half of the 40 and one at the finish. I think they are pulling times at the beginning of the 40 as well.
I could be wrong, but why else would they have the other 2 sensors in place?
They are measuring the splits, but the only number released (to us) will be the 40.