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FuzzyLogic

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In the last 15 years, how many times has the best QB in the draft been drafted 1 or 2?
No clue, and don't think it matters at some point you have to address the most important position on the field. Is there a better time to do that than when you know no one can jump in front of you and select your guy?

If you think Young or Stroud can be a top 10-15 QB do you take them? Would you not have a better shot at winning a SB with a top 12 QB with a reliable ground game and top 10 defense? Or is the plan to keep trotting out Mr. Ranked 30-something and hoping for a different result?

I don't think the Texans have a plan so none of this really matters - Texans gonna Texan and all that...

But my plan would be to..

1. Clean house - pink slips all around
2. Hire a GM to lead the process (no faith the current owners can get this right)
3. GM to hire a HC
4. HC to hire his assistants (I'd like him to at least consider/interview our ST coach)
6. Gut the roster - if you're 'just a guy' and over 26 'bye Felicia!'
7. Proven starter material, or young and cheap with upside only please
8. Sign 3 to 4 quality FA's - we aren't getting nor are we ready for top tier FA's
5. Draft Young
6. Rest of the draft is BPA - hopefully addressing OL, DL, LB
7. Sign a FA bridge QB (Young sits for a year to learn and bulk, as much as he can - I don't care, he can play in Saban's shoe lifts for all I care)
8. '24 draft to fill most glaring needs remaining
9. Sign 3 to 4 quality to high end FA's - hopefully by this point you (the GM) is able to sell them on 'The Plan' and 'The Future'
10. Reap success - this is where everyone cheers, and I thank you

Your plan?

You have to take your shots when they are available, some people around here don't have a viable plan to address QB until our '23 and '24 draft picks are retired.

One caveat - if Young is 5'9', F* it I'm going to switch to soccer "GOOOOAAAAALLLLLL"
 

SnakeEyes

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steelbtexan

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And if you wait and you aren't in a position to draft one of the top 4 QB's in '24? And it doesn't pan out in '25? And on and on and on, which so far has been the Texan's history.

Seriously what is your plan if you don't select a top QB when you are in the driver's seat? How are you planning to ensure you are in a position to select your QB in '24?

What if your draft picks in '23 (build the trenches) and a vet bridge QB get the Texans to 5 wins? You can't ensure you can find a trade partner at 1 or 2. What if one of the top guys regresses and isn't impressive (Rattler waves at the crowd - and many others like him)?
How good do you think the Texans will be next yr? Maybe you think they will be more than a bottom 3 team I dont, so I would be more than willing to take that gamble. Apparently you wouldn't and that's ok, differences in opinions is what makes the world go round.
 

steelbtexan

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Caserio isn’t going to get to pick top 3 three years in a row with 3 (or more) HCs. He will be motivated to get this team competitive next season. If he is even around for next offseason.
He should be willing to tank one more yr like the Stros did.

You're right though he wont be allowed to tank again next yr.
 

FuzzyLogic

Mathematically Possible
How good do you think the Texans will be next yr? Maybe you think they will be more than a bottom 3 team I dont, so I would be more than willing to take that gamble. Apparently you wouldn't and that's ok, differences in opinions is what makes the world go round.
I don't know, that's the point - they could be terrible and have 1:1 again or they could win 7 games depending on how and who they draft, who we play next year, the health of those teams etc. etc. etc.

That's the point no one has a crystal ball - so you have to make your decisions based on what you know.
 

steelbtexan

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I don't know, that's the point - they could be terrible and have 1:1 again or they could win 7 games depending on how and who they draft, who we play next year, the health of those teams etc. etc. etc.

That's the point no one has a crystal ball - so you have to make your decisions based on what you know.
The point is to get a true franchise QB IMHO. They need to suck for 3 yrs like the Stros did and I consider that a small price to pay for a decade of really good football with their chance to win championships. You make choices based on what your vision of what the future will look like.

Luhnow said for his 1st three yrs with the Stros every decision he made was with 5 yrs down the line in mind. Hopefully Caserio has this type vision and Cal lets him carry out that vision.

BTW, Luhnow could've made moves to win 75-85 games back then, but the Stros wouldn't be where they're at today if he had. Some posters on here would be happy with those 75-85 wins as long as they're entertained. This also has been the McNair's philosophy since the Texans inception and it's a big reason why the Texans have never been true contenders. But hey, they've been somewhat fun to watch over the yrs and that's a win-win for the McNair's marketing/money making machine.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
You still can do that. Have whoever you draft sit back and learn the game. The new coach can come in and do their thing.
And let’s be honest here, Pep has worked with some top level quarterbacks before and they were successful. Mills on the other hand is not on those type of quarterbacks level. Big step down to what he’s coached before.
See - I think that is the worst of the options.

It puts us back where we were when Watson was a rookie and starting Savage over him. I was a proponent of starting Savage because the line was awful and didn’t want the new Cadillac damaged. What happened? He started right away and ended up hurt.

If Young is drafted 1.1 he will start that year. Probably sooner than Mahomes if not day one. I don’t think fans will want to see Savage, err, Mills over young.

And I will be honest. I believed Pep was good with QBs. He isn’t. He was fired after working with Luck. Herbert succeed from Tyrod Taylor not Pep. Everywhere Tyrod goes QBs have success - Herbert, Mills, now in NY with Jones.

As a coach you need talent to work with but the best coaches don’t say they just work with the best and get results. Anyone can do that. The best coaches are able to work QBs like Jones or Geno and turn them from backups to starters.
 

thunderkyss

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How good do you think the Texans will be next yr? Maybe you think they will be more than a bottom 3 team I dont, so I would be more than willing to take that gamble. Apparently you wouldn't and that's ok, differences in opinions is what makes the world go round.
The number of wins really isn't a sticking point for me.

There was a team that went out there that gave the Cowboys as good as they got for 3 qtrs. I could get behind that team. All the way up to that 1st & 10 from the 4 yard line.

From that point on I was watching a barnum & bailey side show. & we've seen far more of that than the first team I saw Saturday.

I don't think it's a talent problem (I mean I get we're not going to win a lot of games because of the talent) it's a coaching problem.

I don't want to (but I'm sure I will) see another game coached by those yahoos & I don't want Nick or Cal hiring the next coach
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
See - I think that is the worst of the options.

It puts us back where we were when Watson was a rookie and starting Savage over him. I was a proponent of starting Savage because the line was awful and didn’t want the new Cadillac damaged. What happened? He started right away and ended up hurt.

If Young is drafted 1.1 he will start that year. Probably sooner than Mahomes if not day one. I don’t think fans will want to see Savage, err, Mills over young.

And I will be honest. I believed Pep was good with QBs. He isn’t. He was fired after working with Luck. Herbert succeed from Tyrod Taylor not Pep. Everywhere Tyrod goes QBs have success - Herbert, Mills, now in NY with Jones.

As a coach you need talent to work with but the best coaches don’t say they just work with the best and get results. Anyone can do that. The best coaches are able to work QBs like Jones or Geno and turn them from backups to starters.
He had a non contact injury at practice.
 

JB

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How good do you think the Texans will be next yr? Maybe you think they will be more than a bottom 3 team I dont, so I would be more than willing to take that gamble. Apparently you wouldn't and that's ok, differences in opinions is what makes the world go round.
What would you have Caserio do with his draft picks this year in order to improve team but not enough to be better than the current team?
 

JB

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There was a team that went out there that gave the Cowboys as good as they got for 3 qtrs. I could get behind that team. All the way up to that 1st & 10 from the 4 yard line.
We need to see more of that team before that team that reverted to suck. That was a teaser that showed a glimpse of a team you could support. Also shows the tank in full. No one can deny it now
 

steelbtexan

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You draft good and develop the players.

It's actually easier to rebuild an NFL team.
This isn't baseball. This is the Not For Long league. There is no farm system where you can develop players
 

Texansballer74

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See - I think that is the worst of the options.

It puts us back where we were when Watson was a rookie and starting Savage over him. I was a proponent of starting Savage because the line was awful and didn’t want the new Cadillac damaged. What happened? He started right away and ended up hurt.

If Young is drafted 1.1 he will start that year. Probably sooner than Mahomes if not day one. I don’t think fans will want to see Savage, err, Mills over young.

And I will be honest. I believed Pep was good with QBs. He isn’t. He was fired after working with Luck. Herbert succeed from Tyrod Taylor not Pep. Everywhere Tyrod goes QBs have success - Herbert, Mills, now in NY with Jones.

As a coach you need talent to work with but the best coaches don’t say they just work with the best and get results. Anyone can do that. The best coaches are able to work QBs like Jones or Geno and turn them from backups to starters.
We can’t go off of what Bill O’Brien’s era as a blue print because every coaching regime is totally different. And even then a rookie Watson was lightning up the scene before he got hurt. Tom Savage shouldn’t have never been the starter. Bill O’Brien destroyed that offensive line as well. Therefore if you bring an offensive minded head coach like you eluded to up above. Then it’s a strong chance he’ll bring in a better offensive line coach with him. This offensive line has what 4 first round picks on it. And instead of running Mills out there you can bring in a quality veteran quarterback.

Pep won’t be here next year, especially if we hire a new head coach.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
He had a non contact injury at practice.
But CnD screen shot where he 1st got injured in the Seahawks game. Then he completely tore his ACL in practice. It was his 2nd ACL tear.

And it wasn’t just CnD that said as much.
 

Revrat

Noob
As a coach you need talent to work with but the best coaches don’t say they just work with the best and get results. Anyone can do that. The best coaches are able to work QBs like Jones or Geno and turn them from backups to starters.
To further reinforce this point, see the uptick in Geno Smith's performance, contrasted with what Russ Wilson has looked like since leaving Seattle and playing in Denver.
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!

And it wasn’t just CnD that said as much.
From the article
What makes it all the more impressive is Watson thrived down the stretch. After the collision with Clark, Watson completed 4 of 5 passes for 144 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran the ball once for 8 yards.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
From the article
What makes it all the more impressive is Watson thrived down the stretch. After the collision with Clark, Watson completed 4 of 5 passes for 144 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran the ball once for 8 yards.
From the article:

With the Seahawks leading Houston 27-24, Seahawks defensive end Frank Clark jumped over Texans running back Lamar Miller and rolled up on Watson, who immediately grabbed his right knee on the play.
 

Lucky

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It’s not who I believe in, it’s who Caserio believe is the future franchise quarterback for this team. Since he’s done a good job at drafting prospect for this team. I’ll be all for it.
I don’t trust Caserio’s QB instincts any more than @steelbtexan ‘s. If Nick stays, I hope they take Anderson and let the next regime select the QB.
 
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Lucky

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You draft good and develop the players.

It's actually easier to rebuild an NFL team.
The Astros 100 loss seasons were 2011-2013. Their first WS championship was 2017.

In the NFL, you can’t wait on players that long. The 2021 draftees will be free agents before 2027 comes along. In football, you have to get better faster. Therefore, it can be harder to rebuild in the NFL. And that’s if you have someone that knows how to build an organization.

Like the Astros had.
 

TheRealJoker

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The Astros 100 loss seasons were 2011-2013. Their first WS championship was 2017.

In the NFL, you can’t wait on players that long. The 2021 draftees will be free agents before 2027 comes along. In football, you have to get better faster. Therefore, it can be harder to rebuild in the NFL. And that’s if you have someone that knows how to build an organization.

Like the Astros had.
I’d like to see the Texans have a dependable HC/GM combo like Carrol/Schneider in Seattle. They nailed the draft and reloaded with the Wilson haul. They are set up for another run at a Legion of Boom like era of success.
 

steelbtexan

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The Astros 100 loss seasons were 2011-2013. Their first WS championship was 2017.

In the NFL, you can’t wait on players that long. The 2021 draftees will be free agents before 2027 comes along. In football, you have to get better faster. Therefore, it can be harder to rebuild in the NFL. And that’s if you have someone that knows how to build an organization.

Like the Astros had.
You don't have to wait if you do a great job in the draft/FA.

Another thing history teaches is that after the QB you want is drafted, you only have a 7-8 yr window to win a championship with that QB.
 

badboy

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I’d like to see the Texans have a dependable HC/GM combo like Carrol/Schneider in Seattle. They nailed the draft and reloaded with the Wilson haul. They are set up for another run at a Legion of Boom like era of success.
They have a big decision coming up in the near future on extending Geno Smith
 

OptimisticTexan

2022 Rebuilding Block 2 / Go Texans
I’m talking history. When has Caserio ever shown he knows a thing about the QB position?
Let's see....Brady covered everyone's arses in New England. The backups most always had a positive return for the organization when traded.

His first season as GM, he drafted Mills with their first pick in RD3 of the draft. Mills came with upside potential as a RD3 b/c many analyst felt that Mills could've been the first QB selected in the 2022 draft had he stayed in school.

Caserio's second season as Texans GM, and first season with a full compliment of picks, saw no QB available that would justify a RD1 investment.

This draft has more media hyped QB's than real tangible RD1 Franchise QB's.
 

Lucky

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Let's see....Brady covered everyone's arses in New England. The backups most always had a positive return for the organization when traded.

His first season as GM, he drafted Mills with their first pick in RD3 of the draft. Mills came with upside potential as a RD3 b/c many analyst felt that Mills could've been the first QB selected in the 2022 draft had he stayed in school.

Caserio's second season as Texans GM, and first season with a full compliment of picks, saw no QB available that would justify a RD1 investment.

This draft has more media hyped QB's than real tangible RD1 Franchise QB's.
So the short story is, Caserio has shown no expertise in selecting QBs. But with a franchise defining pick, he’s to be entrusted? I’m sorry but this is a disaster waiting to happen.

Clean house.
 

Number19

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So the short story is, Caserio has shown no expertise in selecting QBs. But with a franchise defining pick, he’s to be entrusted? I’m sorry but this is a disaster waiting to happen.

Clean house.
Any young, first time, GM will be in the same boat. Add in a young, first time, HC and you are really up a creek without a paddle. You must want an older GM and HC who have been fired from their previous gigs.
 

TexansBull

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steelbtexan

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I’m talking history. When has Caserio ever shown he knows a thing about the QB position?
When has he been in charge of a draft?

Belichick hood winked RS out of Jimmy G.

Was Jimmy G a Caserio pick?

What does history have to do with Caserio picking a QB other than if he's a denier of history like you are.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Lucky for them the Broncos have played their way into Seattle getting a pick in prime position to draft one of the top QBs if they choose not to give Geno a long term deal.
Yes their decision appears murky to me as most sources indicate they will extend Geno Smith. Do they leapfrog Bears for Anderson or wait for Bears non choice? Is Mike Murphy enough to wait? If I am Seattle I would not give up any pics to move from 3 to 1 unless it was for Bryce young. Yes, I know Young has height issue..
 

Number19

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Yes their decision appears murky to me as most sources indicate they will extend Geno Smith. Do they leapfrog Bears for Anderson or wait for Bears non choice? Is Mike Murphy enough to wait? If I am Seattle I would not give up any pics to move from 3 to 1 unless it was for Bryce young. Yes, I know Young has height issue..
For the past decade, through 2021, Seattle's starting QB was the same size as Young and they went to two SB's, winning one. Their offense should be an ideal fit for Young. Moving from 3 to 1 is doable

But the Texans drafting Young at 1.1 would be a "splash".
 

Earl34

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When has he been in charge of a draft?

Belichick hood winked RS out of Jimmy G.

Was Jimmy G a Caserio pick?

What does history have to do with Caserio picking a QB other than if he's a denier of history like you are.
Jimmy G was almost the last pick in the 2nd round. Did Belichick hood wink all of those other QB needy teams? Logically, if you look at the teams drafting immediately in front of the Texans in the 2nd round of the 2014 draft. You wouldn't expect them to draft a QB. I can see blasting Rick Smith if Jimmy G was available at 2-65 and he passed, but the guy was gone.

What was his draft profile? Wasn't the knock on Jimmy was small hands, poor pocket awareness, not tough, easily fazed by pressure. Isn't saying Smith should have moved up to draft JG, simply hindsight? No one expected the Patriots to draft another QB. Shoot, maybe RS was going to pick Jimmy G and BOB slipped and let his Patriots buddies know they were interested. See how easy it is to place irrational blame?
  • 2-56: Broncos. Had Peyton Manning and young Brock.
  • 2-57: 49ers. I guess Harbaugh was sticking with Kaepernick and wanted a RB
  • 2-58: Saints. Drew Brees
  • 2-60: Panthers. Cam Newton just led them to SB. Did not need a QB
  • 2-61: Jaguars. Drafted Blake Bortles at 1-1 and didn't need another QB.
  • 2-62: Patriots. Had Brady and Mallet was only in his 2nd year
  • 2-63: Dolphins. Tannehill just threw for 4000 yards. Didn't need a QB
  • 2-64: Seahawks: With Wilson in his prime, didn't need a QB
  • 2-65: Texans: Fiedorowicz
Jimmy Garoppolo Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

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Porky

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The point is to get a true franchise QB IMHO. They need to suck for 3 yrs like the Stros did and I consider that a small price to pay for a decade of really good football with their chance to win championships. You make choices based on what your vision of what the future will look like.

Luhnow said for his 1st three yrs with the Stros every decision he made was with 5 yrs down the line in mind. Hopefully Caserio has this type vision and Cal lets him carry out that vision.

BTW, Luhnow could've made moves to win 75-85 games back then, but the Stros wouldn't be where they're at today if he had. Some posters on here would be happy with those 75-85 wins as long as they're entertained. This also has been the McNair's philosophy since the Texans inception and it's a big reason why the Texans have never been true contenders. But hey, they've been somewhat fun to watch over the yrs and that's a win-win for the McNair's marketing/money making machine.
Comparing baseball to football is a fool’s errand. Show me the farm system where the Texans can start stockpiling young talent. That’s just one of a ton of differences. Career length is another. Season length. When draftees are available. I could go on but your smart enough to get the idea.

You like to point out history so let’s look at history. Show me an NFL team that was obviously tanking for 3 entire seasons with the idea that some white knight QB with perfect teeth and a gleaming smile and a S on his cape would eventually be there to save the franchise for a decade… if only they tank for multiple seasons because the guy they covet isn’t even eligible for two years and is some freckle faced freshman. I have seen some teams tank over maybe the last 1/4 of a season or the last game or two.

Way too much money at stake, not to mention pride, ego, competitive spirit etc. for any owner to go along with a hair-brained scheme like that. Any owner that does that needs to fire himself along with the GM that suggested it.
 


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