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Texans at Rams: First Impressions?

I've seen several posts now stating that Carr made some bad decisions. After initially watching the game, I came away with the impression that Carr looked shaky at the start, but pulled it together once the coaches adjusted to the blitzing. However, I just watched the first couple series again on Tivo and I really don't see bad decisions on Carr's part. To the contrary, I saw good decision-making in bad situations. I have only reviewed up to the overturned tuck rule call, so I'm only speaking to that, but here's what I saw --

1st pass play - incomplete now route/wr screen to AJ. Carr threw this ball just a tad too high, as it really wouldn't have left AJ in the greatest position to make a great play. Nevertheless, it would have been a solid gain if AJ didn't have oven mitts on. He leaped maybe just a few inches, grabbed the ball, brought it in and bounced it off his own chest. Bad play by AJ.

2nd pass play - seven step drop; immediately upon planting his back foot for the seventh step, the blitzer is in his face (Lundy's missed block). Carr tries to scramble away, but the defender does his job. I see no fault with Carr on this play and it even looked like he kept his eyes upfield a bit more than he might have in the past.

3rd pass play - this play is harder to assign blame. The O-line held up well and Carr makes his progression reads well. You can see him checking at least four options before #70 finally gives in and his man collapses into the pocket. Carr dances outside, behind Spencer, and wisely throws the ball at the feet of a covered receiver. Spencer did a fine job of pass pro on this play, by the way.

4th pass play - seven step drop; #72 is losing his battle as Carr is making his drop. With #72's assignment getting to him quickly, Carr has to release the ball sooner than he'd like. Carr kept his eyes downfield, turning to AJ's crossing route as he releases the ball. I think Carr could possibly have placed the ball a bit better, but he also wanted to lead AJ a bit. All in all, a good play by the defense, or a bad play by #72. I guess those of you who are hell-bent on finding bad things about Carr can say he placed the ball poorly. However, this is one of those plays where if we had been on defense and our guys had pressured the QB into throwing early, we'd be lauding the defensive effort. You can't have it both ways.

5th pass play - seven step drop; left tackle doesn't do a great job, but the FB does an even worse job. Carr steps up between the rushing defenders and delivers the screen pass to Lundy. If you watch the LB on the reverse angle, you can tell that Carr/Lundy didn't sell the handoff very well. Those of you who have to fault Carr on every play can point to that if you like.

6th pass play - this is the long screen to Putzier. Carr looks the defense off and then throws to Putzier at just the right time. Well-designed play and perfect execution.

7th pass play - this one got called back because Lundy held. Play-action handoff with a pass to Bennie Joppru. Well-designed play and executed well. Carr sells the play-action better than in the screen to Lundy and Joppru does a nice job. Carr delivers the ball with nice touch as well, which is nice to see. Lundy can't block, ugh.

8th pass play - 5-step or 7-step drop (I forgot to count when I was making notes, but it wasn't a 3-step); slant to AJ. Carr looks to AJ, looks back to mid-field, then back to AJ as he delivers the ball. It seems obvious to me that AJ was the first read and this is something that opposing teams will see on film. Good positive play, but I don't like Carr's placement. It's a bit high and he doesn't lead AJ like you would hope to see. On the other hand, AJ got jammed hard and had to fight early in the route, so that threw off the timing. I'm not sure how much of the placement was on Carr here.

9th pass play - play-action rollout. Lundy does a poor job overall here, but it's good coverage downfield. Lundy's man is charging hard at Carr, who turns on the speed, trying to buy time. Carr wisely throws it away, with no one open.

10th pass play - seven step drop; Carr is making multiple reads. Unblocked blitzer creams Carra s he's delivering ball. I don't see any fault with Carr whatsoever on this play. The Rams showed blitz pre-snap and Carr stood in there making his reads and trusting his protection. Last year, I think we'd have seen happy feet on this play. Negative play, but I liked Carr on this play.


Anyway, I know many of you Tivo the games and re-watch them with a more critical eye, so chime in and comment on my observations. I saw some minor flaws in Carr's game, as noted above, but in those plays, I honestly didn't see one bad decision at all. I'd like to see some better touch on the ball at times and I think his placement could use some precision adjustment, but for the most part, Carr did a good job.

I like what Sage did as well, but I am not going to overlook the pressure that Carr faced for most of the first half, whereas Sage faced next to no pressure. The O-line did a pretty good job with the pressure and it looked like they passed off assignments well, from my limited observations.
 
SESupergenius said:
no he isn't, he just looks good on the 2nd team.

You'll see the best 2nd team in the NFL next week ....the Broncos.

Yeah I'm hoping coach K starts 'Ol Sage with the first team and puts this "the second team guy is a better QB than the first team guy" talk where it belongs, file thirteen. It amazes me that guys who are supposed to know better throw this stuff on the board. It wasn't true thrity years ago. It's not true now. Didn't know who, just knew it'd be out there today. IIRC Sage has had acouple of years in this system. I don't know how you can say on the one hand the old regime didn't coach and on another thread...Sage rules. Com'on. We're better than that.

I think P buc's mess ups are just of function of confidence. The first one he had time to look for the ball but didn't execute. He played better than last week. He's still holding back. Don't know why. He'll work himself into a starter befor the bye if he keeps on improving.

Think Wand went back out in front of Spencer. Wand palyed very well. Anyone catch the double block play for Wand ? Mark Spencer down for rookie nerves. Nice problem to have huh ? Two deep at LOT. Who would of thunk it ?

Polk sticks our front line corner back again, I'm personally gonna take a five pound sledge to his knees. That play was just stupid.

I would like an amen from all of you who burried Morency befor he got a crack
at starting Last week. The guy can play.
 
eriadoc said:
I've seen several posts now stating that Carr made some bad decisions. After initially watching the game, I came away with the impression that Carr looked shaky at the start, but pulled it together once the coaches adjusted to the blitzing. However, I just watched the first couple series again on Tivo and I really don't see bad decisions on Carr's part. To the contrary, I saw good decision-making in bad situations. I have only reviewed up to the overturned tuck rule call, so I'm only speaking to that, but here's what I saw --

1st pass play - incomplete now route/wr screen to AJ. Carr threw this ball just a tad too high, as it really wouldn't have left AJ in the greatest position to make a great play. Nevertheless, it would have been a solid gain if AJ didn't have oven mitts on. He leaped maybe just a few inches, grabbed the ball, brought it in and bounced it off his own chest. Bad play by AJ.

2nd pass play - seven step drop; immediately upon planting his back foot for the seventh step, the blitzer is in his face (Lundy's missed block). Carr tries to scramble away, but the defender does his job. I see no fault with Carr on this play and it even looked like he kept his eyes upfield a bit more than he might have in the past.

3rd pass play - this play is harder to assign blame. The O-line held up well and Carr makes his progression reads well. You can see him checking at least four options before #70 finally gives in and his man collapses into the pocket. Carr dances outside, behind Spencer, and wisely throws the ball at the feet of a covered receiver. Spencer did a fine job of pass pro on this play, by the way.

4th pass play - seven step drop; #72 is losing his battle as Carr is making his drop. With #72's assignment getting to him quickly, Carr has to release the ball sooner than he'd like. Carr kept his eyes downfield, turning to AJ's crossing route as he releases the ball. I think Carr could possibly have placed the ball a bit better, but he also wanted to lead AJ a bit. All in all, a good play by the defense, or a bad play by #72. I guess those of you who are hell-bent on finding bad things about Carr can say he placed the ball poorly. However, this is one of those plays where if we had been on defense and our guys had pressured the QB into throwing early, we'd be lauding the defensive effort. You can't have it both ways.

5th pass play - seven step drop; left tackle doesn't do a great job, but the FB does an even worse job. Carr steps up between the rushing defenders and delivers the screen pass to Lundy. If you watch the LB on the reverse angle, you can tell that Carr/Lundy didn't sell the handoff very well. Those of you who have to fault Carr on every play can point to that if you like.

6th pass play - this is the long screen to Putzier. Carr looks the defense off and then throws to Putzier at just the right time. Well-designed play and perfect execution.

7th pass play - this one got called back because Lundy held. Play-action handoff with a pass to Bennie Joppru. Well-designed play and executed well. Carr sells the play-action better than in the screen to Lundy and Joppru does a nice job. Carr delivers the ball with nice touch as well, which is nice to see. Lundy can't block, ugh.

8th pass play - 5-step or 7-step drop (I forgot to count when I was making notes, but it wasn't a 3-step); slant to AJ. Carr looks to AJ, looks back to mid-field, then back to AJ as he delivers the ball. It seems obvious to me that AJ was the first read and this is something that opposing teams will see on film. Good positive play, but I don't like Carr's placement. It's a bit high and he doesn't lead AJ like you would hope to see. On the other hand, AJ got jammed hard and had to fight early in the route, so that threw off the timing. I'm not sure how much of the placement was on Carr here.

9th pass play - play-action rollout. Lundy does a poor job overall here, but it's good coverage downfield. Lundy's man is charging hard at Carr, who turns on the speed, trying to buy time. Carr wisely throws it away, with no one open.

10th pass play - seven step drop; Carr is making multiple reads. Unblocked blitzer creams Carra s he's delivering ball. I don't see any fault with Carr whatsoever on this play. The Rams showed blitz pre-snap and Carr stood in there making his reads and trusting his protection. Last year, I think we'd have seen happy feet on this play. Negative play, but I liked Carr on this play.


Anyway, I know many of you Tivo the games and re-watch them with a more critical eye, so chime in and comment on my observations. I saw some minor flaws in Carr's game, as noted above, but in those plays, I honestly didn't see one bad decision at all. I'd like to see some better touch on the ball at times and I think his placement could use some precision adjustment, but for the most part, Carr did a good job.

I like what Sage did as well, but I am not going to overlook the pressure that Carr faced for most of the first half, whereas Sage faced next to no pressure. The O-line did a pretty good job with the pressure and it looked like they passed off assignments well, from my limited observations.

Good post Doc. Thanks for the time you took to do it.
 
eriadoc said:
I've seen several posts now stating that Carr made some bad decisions. After initially watching the game, I came away with the impression that Carr looked shaky at the start, but pulled it together once the coaches adjusted to the blitzing. However, I just watched the first couple series again on Tivo and I really don't see bad decisions on Carr's part. To the contrary, I saw good decision-making in bad situations. I have only reviewed up to the overturned tuck rule call, so I'm only speaking to that, but here's what I saw --

1st pass play - incomplete now route/wr screen to AJ. Carr threw this ball just a tad too high, as it really wouldn't have left AJ in the greatest position to make a great play. Nevertheless, it would have been a solid gain if AJ didn't have oven mitts on. He leaped maybe just a few inches, grabbed the ball, brought it in and bounced it off his own chest. Bad play by AJ.

2nd pass play - seven step drop; immediately upon planting his back foot for the seventh step, the blitzer is in his face (Lundy's missed block). Carr tries to scramble away, but the defender does his job. I see no fault with Carr on this play and it even looked like he kept his eyes upfield a bit more than he might have in the past.

3rd pass play - this play is harder to assign blame. The O-line held up well and Carr makes his progression reads well. You can see him checking at least four options before #70 finally gives in and his man collapses into the pocket. Carr dances outside, behind Spencer, and wisely throws the ball at the feet of a covered receiver. Spencer did a fine job of pass pro on this play, by the way.

4th pass play - seven step drop; #72 is losing his battle as Carr is making his drop. With #72's assignment getting to him quickly, Carr has to release the ball sooner than he'd like. Carr kept his eyes downfield, turning to AJ's crossing route as he releases the ball. I think Carr could possibly have placed the ball a bit better, but he also wanted to lead AJ a bit. All in all, a good play by the defense, or a bad play by #72. I guess those of you who are hell-bent on finding bad things about Carr can say he placed the ball poorly. However, this is one of those plays where if we had been on defense and our guys had pressured the QB into throwing early, we'd be lauding the defensive effort. You can't have it both ways.

5th pass play - seven step drop; left tackle doesn't do a great job, but the FB does an even worse job. Carr steps up between the rushing defenders and delivers the screen pass to Lundy. If you watch the LB on the reverse angle, you can tell that Carr/Lundy didn't sell the handoff very well. Those of you who have to fault Carr on every play can point to that if you like.

6th pass play - this is the long screen to Putzier. Carr looks the defense off and then throws to Putzier at just the right time. Well-designed play and perfect execution.

7th pass play - this one got called back because Lundy held. Play-action handoff with a pass to Bennie Joppru. Well-designed play and executed well. Carr sells the play-action better than in the screen to Lundy and Joppru does a nice job. Carr delivers the ball with nice touch as well, which is nice to see. Lundy can't block, ugh.

8th pass play - 5-step or 7-step drop (I forgot to count when I was making notes, but it wasn't a 3-step); slant to AJ. Carr looks to AJ, looks back to mid-field, then back to AJ as he delivers the ball. It seems obvious to me that AJ was the first read and this is something that opposing teams will see on film. Good positive play, but I don't like Carr's placement. It's a bit high and he doesn't lead AJ like you would hope to see. On the other hand, AJ got jammed hard and had to fight early in the route, so that threw off the timing. I'm not sure how much of the placement was on Carr here.

9th pass play - play-action rollout. Lundy does a poor job overall here, but it's good coverage downfield. Lundy's man is charging hard at Carr, who turns on the speed, trying to buy time. Carr wisely throws it away, with no one open.

10th pass play - seven step drop; Carr is making multiple reads. Unblocked blitzer creams Carra s he's delivering ball. I don't see any fault with Carr whatsoever on this play. The Rams showed blitz pre-snap and Carr stood in there making his reads and trusting his protection. Last year, I think we'd have seen happy feet on this play. Negative play, but I liked Carr on this play.


Anyway, I know many of you Tivo the games and re-watch them with a more critical eye, so chime in and comment on my observations. I saw some minor flaws in Carr's game, as noted above, but in those plays, I honestly didn't see one bad decision at all. I'd like to see some better touch on the ball at times and I think his placement could use some precision adjustment, but for the most part, Carr did a good job.

I like what Sage did as well, but I am not going to overlook the pressure that Carr faced for most of the first half, whereas Sage faced next to no pressure. The O-line did a pretty good job with the pressure and it looked like they passed off assignments well, from my limited observations.

Certainly a different perspective than Vinny and others. Thanks!! This is going to be a very good ball club we will just have to wait and see what happens. When Kubiak says its time to bench Carr, then I will be happy to say its time. If you listen to what he says, he likes his players to pull up their boot straps and get it on when the going gets rough. That's exactly what Carr did. It wasn't pretty in the beginning, but he kept on going and we did have a lead at half time.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
Certainly a different perspective than Vinny and others. Thanks!! .
Here is one from Coach Kubiak...

"I told David that the Rams have an aggressive defense, and when they come after us, he's got to make those plays," Kubiak said. "I felt there were seven or eight times when we could have made plays. - Kubiak
7 or 8 times? 7 or 8? That's quite a few blown opportunities where you guys see 'good decisions'.
 
Vinny said:
Here is one from Coach Kubiak...


7 or 8 times? 7 or 8? That's quite a few blown opportunities where you guys see 'good decisions'.

I read that quote as well and my initial impression is that he's using a little motivational speak to get Carr in the right mindset. There might have been seven or eight opportunities where "we" = the team, as opposed to Carr individually. As for how that pertains to Carr individually, I don't see many opportunities for him to have done a better job up to the point that I stated above. I'm not saying he did things completely correct and I am certainly open to the idea that he did, in fact, make bad decisions. I just want to know what they are. If you have specific comments regarding my post above, I'd love to gain your insight. If you're hanging your assessment on Kubiak's commemnts, that's fine too. He has access to the coach film, we don't.
 
I think our offense looks completely different when other QB's come in. Carr throws nothing but short safe passes and when forced to throw downfield he struggles. Most of his yardage was yac yesterday, but this is common for a Carr led offense. Carr looks good when everything is perfect, but once he has to find secondary receivers or improvise he is one of the worst starters in the league. Let me ask you, how did he do on 3rd downs yesterday?
 
Vinny said:
I think our offense looks completely different when other QB's come in. Carr throws nothing but short safe passes and when forced to throw downfield he struggles. Most of his yardage was yac yesterday, but this is common for a Carr led offense. Carr looks good when everything is perfect, but once he has to find secondary receivers or improvise he is one of the worst starters in the league. Let me ask you, how did he do on 3rd downs yesterday?

I didn't note the down and distance on the plays above, so I can't say how Carr as an individual did on 3rd downs yesterday, but I know the team was 0/5 at one pooint, which is abysmal. And I see what you're saying about the short, safe passes; it would be nice to see some downfield action. However, I point out again, from above, that I can find no decision-making issues with the plays I reviewed. I haven't gotten around to watching after the tuck call, as the wife is monopolizing the Tivo. The tuck play looked like it was going to be a downfield pass and the one where he read four deep and danced out of the pocket looked like he was looking for something downfield. The Putzier, Joppru, and incomplete AJ drag route all look like he was going to his first read. The dump-off to Lundy looks like he stepped into the pocket and abandoned any attempt to look downfield. On the other hand, he knows that's a positive play and potentially a big gainer, so I don't see how that classifies as a bad decision.

After thinking about it, I concede that Carr could possibly have stepped into the pocket on the sack, but that doesn't absolve the back from fault. The AJ slant was a first-read play, from what I could see.

Like I said, I haven't seen any bad decisions by Carr, except maybe the sack, I'll concede. I haven't seen anything that wows me, either, which I think is what a lot of people are trying to say. That concerns me, but if Kubiak is putting him out there, then I'll trust what he's doing. If Carr does something to show he's incapable at the QB position in this offense, I do think Kubiak will plug in Sage and move on, and I am OK with that. I just think a lot of people have an agenda here and tend not to look at the situation as objectively as possible.

As you've stated in the past, it would be helpful to have coaches tape.
 
Vinny said:
I think our offense looks completely different when other QB's come in. Carr throws nothing but short safe passes and when forced to throw downfield he struggles. Most of his yardage was yac yesterday, but this is common for a Carr led offense. Carr looks good when everything is perfect, but once he has to find secondary receivers or improvise he is one of the worst starters in the league. Let me ask you, how did he do on 3rd downs yesterday?
Now let me ask you something did you happen to see how they the rams were playing us yesterday?

Other then Blitzing plays, both Corners and Safteys were DEEEEEP. Do you people really think there are Big Plays open everytime you take a deep drop? Do you really think big plays are just there when ever we want them.

As for making plays with his feet if things break down, he is not one of the worst in the league gimmie a break okay, I can think of numorus times the guy has made plays when things break down. They acctually showed a couple on the team highlight film on ESPN.

You will not drag this guy through the mud and tell how bad he is, cause he is not.

10-17 100 yards- AND this is without even a game plan, they are not putting in gameplans right now, all they are doing is running plays.

Love it, throws NOTHING but short safe passes.........Yea, your right.:rolleyes:

And how long have you been watching football? You do know the backups for each team come in after the STARTERS come out right, so you do further know the talents drops off pretty good.
 
0-5 was the 3rd down total:

3-23-HOU32 (13:48) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 45 for 13 yards (W.Witherspoon).

3-10-HOU29 (9:37) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.

3-11-STL19 (3:24) D.Carr sacked at SL 28 for -9 yards (C.Chavous). FUMBLES (C.Chavous), touched at SL 28, RECOVERED by SL-C.Chavous at SL 30. C.Chavous to SL 41 for 11 yards (F.Weary). Play Challenged by HST and REVERSED. D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson [C.Chavous].

3-7-HOU42 (13:52) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.

3-7-HOU35 (4:44) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson (D.Groce).

http://nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20060819_HOU@STL
 
eriadoc said:
I've seen several posts now stating that Carr made some bad decisions. After initially watching the game, I came away with the impression that Carr looked shaky at the start, but pulled it together once the coaches adjusted to the blitzing. However, I just watched the first couple series again on Tivo and I really don't see bad decisions on Carr's part. To the contrary, I saw good decision-making in bad situations. I have only reviewed up to the overturned tuck rule call, so I'm only speaking to that, but here's what I saw --

1st pass play - incomplete now route/wr screen to AJ. Carr threw this ball just a tad too high, as it really wouldn't have left AJ in the greatest position to make a great play. Nevertheless, it would have been a solid gain if AJ didn't have oven mitts on. He leaped maybe just a few inches, grabbed the ball, brought it in and bounced it off his own chest. Bad play by AJ.

2nd pass play - seven step drop; immediately upon planting his back foot for the seventh step, the blitzer is in his face (Lundy's missed block). Carr tries to scramble away, but the defender does his job. I see no fault with Carr on this play and it even looked like he kept his eyes upfield a bit more than he might have in the past.

3rd pass play - this play is harder to assign blame. The O-line held up well and Carr makes his progression reads well. You can see him checking at least four options before #70 finally gives in and his man collapses into the pocket. Carr dances outside, behind Spencer, and wisely throws the ball at the feet of a covered receiver. Spencer did a fine job of pass pro on this play, by the way.

4th pass play - seven step drop; #72 is losing his battle as Carr is making his drop. With #72's assignment getting to him quickly, Carr has to release the ball sooner than he'd like. Carr kept his eyes downfield, turning to AJ's crossing route as he releases the ball. I think Carr could possibly have placed the ball a bit better, but he also wanted to lead AJ a bit. All in all, a good play by the defense, or a bad play by #72. I guess those of you who are hell-bent on finding bad things about Carr can say he placed the ball poorly. However, this is one of those plays where if we had been on defense and our guys had pressured the QB into throwing early, we'd be lauding the defensive effort. You can't have it both ways.

5th pass play - seven step drop; left tackle doesn't do a great job, but the FB does an even worse job. Carr steps up between the rushing defenders and delivers the screen pass to Lundy. If you watch the LB on the reverse angle, you can tell that Carr/Lundy didn't sell the handoff very well. Those of you who have to fault Carr on every play can point to that if you like.

6th pass play - this is the long screen to Putzier. Carr looks the defense off and then throws to Putzier at just the right time. Well-designed play and perfect execution.

7th pass play - this one got called back because Lundy held. Play-action handoff with a pass to Bennie Joppru. Well-designed play and executed well. Carr sells the play-action better than in the screen to Lundy and Joppru does a nice job. Carr delivers the ball with nice touch as well, which is nice to see. Lundy can't block, ugh.

8th pass play - 5-step or 7-step drop (I forgot to count when I was making notes, but it wasn't a 3-step); slant to AJ. Carr looks to AJ, looks back to mid-field, then back to AJ as he delivers the ball. It seems obvious to me that AJ was the first read and this is something that opposing teams will see on film. Good positive play, but I don't like Carr's placement. It's a bit high and he doesn't lead AJ like you would hope to see. On the other hand, AJ got jammed hard and had to fight early in the route, so that threw off the timing. I'm not sure how much of the placement was on Carr here.

9th pass play - play-action rollout. Lundy does a poor job overall here, but it's good coverage downfield. Lundy's man is charging hard at Carr, who turns on the speed, trying to buy time. Carr wisely throws it away, with no one open.

10th pass play - seven step drop; Carr is making multiple reads. Unblocked blitzer creams Carra s he's delivering ball. I don't see any fault with Carr whatsoever on this play. The Rams showed blitz pre-snap and Carr stood in there making his reads and trusting his protection. Last year, I think we'd have seen happy feet on this play. Negative play, but I liked Carr on this play.


Anyway, I know many of you Tivo the games and re-watch them with a more critical eye, so chime in and comment on my observations. I saw some minor flaws in Carr's game, as noted above, but in those plays, I honestly didn't see one bad decision at all. I'd like to see some better touch on the ball at times and I think his placement could use some precision adjustment, but for the most part, Carr did a good job.

I like what Sage did as well, but I am not going to overlook the pressure that Carr faced for most of the first half, whereas Sage faced next to no pressure. The O-line did a pretty good job with the pressure and it looked like they passed off assignments well, from my limited observations.
GREAT JOB..............I am tired off having to beat off people that dont take their time to watch the game like my guy here did, and just start saying Carr sucks, blah blah blah.

Sticky this to the front of the message board so everyone can see it.

Did Carr play well yea he did, does he have things to work on sure, SO DOES EVERYONE!
 
Hulk75 said:
Had know idea that my Vince Young post was not up for debate.........Wow! touchy subject.

It isn't that it isn't up for debate--just that it is a subject for another thread.
 
So far, Sage is definitely more impressive in Kubiaks WCO than Carr.
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Mario had that nice little play on the RB behind the los, but otherwise he's still
most impressive as a workout warrior who wowed us all at the Indy Combine.
The star down lineman performer was clearly Peek.
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Morency's performance was remakable: outside of Edgerrin James can't remember when I've seen a RB pick up blitzs like he did. Plus he's clearly
more explosive than DD ever was and Morency also has good basic sprint speed. I believe he also caught a couple passes, so he's obviously a very capable RB who ultimately could be an upgrade over DD.
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P-Burnt impressed on his punt returns, but got burnt again on pass defense, once by his own play and once by the ref.
 
michael123 said:
First off with the qb position

carr needs to chill out, for some reason he seems nervous when he is in the pocket, (from past experience 76 sacks) need to relax and have fun his line is way better than last year, or he will be on the bubble, rosefelts is a good back up,,

Morency reminds me of a young tomlison i hope he is the starter by the start of the season, and keeps improving. lundy reminds me of tiki barber doesnt have speed but can hit the holes hard.

the reciver that stood out too me as lewis that guy is crazy, love that catch and celebration..

The D was good but still need to improve i liked mario in his tackles for loss plays and peeks sacks wow that man is a beast.

but i love the winning attitude keep it up:redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel: :yahoo:

Interesting comparison between Morency and Tomlinson because I read a report on Morency when he entered the draft that compared him to Tomlinson when he entered the league. Did you know that Morency played pro baseball (outfield) after high school before playing RB at Oklahoma State?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
How did the entire team do on 3rd downs? We converted 1, right? That's not a problem of just DC's.

It is a problem if you expect one of your most highly compensated players to be a difference maker.
 
Hervoyel said:
Wali Lundy is a rookie. He's a good fit for this system but he's still a rookie.

Vinny was on to something where Vernand Morency is concerned. He looked a lot like vintage Domanick Davis to me tonight only faster. If he keeps this up Domanick Davis will be a 3rd down back again.

Dave Ragone is much better fit for the Rams offense than he was for the one we were running. He was an even worse fit for the one we run now. He still looks awkward to me though.

Buchanon can cover but the announcer was right about that first pass interference penalty. That was all Phillip. The second one was a crock.

By my estimation this is the second week I feel that we should have broken 30 points but didn't.

Our first string D did a very good job tonight. In years past we couldn't have afforded a slow start like that and would have been down 14-0 or 17-0 before Carr and the offense got moving. It's nice to have the luxury of a dependable D again. We had one in 2002 but it was gone the next year and never came back.

Ok, maybe Taylor can be a beast.

Mario Williams looked like a highly regarded rookie this week which is nice.

David Carr made what appeared to me to be some very bad decisions. He pulled out of it in the 2nd quarter but I was nervous until we reached the half.

This (2-0 in the preseason and looking like they care) is an immense improvement over years past.

Kris Brown gives me that "Brad Lidge" feeling. I think we need a kicker.

i agree that mario looked steady. he is a heads up player, and he made a heads up play to block the pass. he also put great pressure on bulger on one play where he was back in his own endzone.

im worried about kris brown. missing 33 yarders is inexuseable. i thought we was missing em on purpose last season to help us get bush (or the number 1 pick) but he has missed 2 already and they havent been tough ones either.

vernand morency was VERY good...im talking starters quality. he was running the way you need to run in this system, and it produced neary 100 yards on 11 carries and 2 tds. on top of that, he was awesome in pass protection, picking up major blocks. he needed a game like this. more games like this in the preseason and i would lock him in as the starter if davis isnt healthy.

the run defense was pretty dang solid. the entire d-line played wonderful.
 
not making excuses just a statement, but I wonder how much "vanilla" where we expecting?

Coordinator Jim Haslett showed once again that vanilla no longer is the flavor of the Rams defense. Linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa spoiled Houston's first possession with a 14-yard sack of David Carr. And strong safety Corey Chavous appeared to have forced a fumble with a sack of Carr on the Texans' next possession. But Houston challenged via instant replay and the call was overturned, with the pass being ruled incomplete.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sp...8B9A227CE93DAE58862571D000134963?OpenDocument

(On seeing similarities between Head Coach Gary Kubiak’s Texans and his previous Broncos team in the season opener) “We’ve talked about that, but they aren’t going to do anything different than what they’ve always done in preseason at Denver. It’s going to be pretty vanilla on their side and it’s not like we’re going to do any multiple things on our side. Although we’re working some things defensively a little bit because that is our defense. I think it’s just playing football, two teams playing football. I don’t think there’s anything that’s going to affect us for our opener. It will be pretty much the same system, which will be good to see how we respond to it.”
(On the defense’s identity) “I think their identity will come into place in the next couple of weeks. That’s something that we talked about in the off season. We’ve got to build an identity. What are we? What kind of team are we going to be? Are we going to be an up the field run-around team that can only play with a lead? Or can you stick in there when someone’s going to try to grind it on you? That’s what we’re going to find out here in the next couple of weeks. I like what I’ve seen so far. I think they’re a bunch of tough minded individuals, they’re smart. Obviously, we know we’re fast. We threw a lot at them. We got a lot of defense in; we’re going into the game with 64 blitzes and they handled them extremely well. We were pulling them out of a hat last week. I think that’s what we are. I want to find out what we’re going to do when teams are going to pound the ball on us. I think we’ll at least have an idea this week.”

http://www.stlouisrams.com/article/56250/
 
1st pass play - incomplete now route/wr screen to AJ. Carr threw this ball way too high, as it really wouldn't have left AJ in the greatest position to make a great play.

2nd pass play - seven step drop; not one step to the right or left to avoid the rush coming right at him.

3rd pass play - this play is harder to assign blame. The O-line held up well and Carr makes his progression reads well for once. You can see him checking an option before #70 finally gives in and his man collapses into the pocket. Carr dances around and throws the ball at the feet of a receiver who wasn't even open. Spencer did a fine job of pass protection on this play, by the way.

4th pass play - Carr kept his eyes on AJ, looking to AJ's crossing route as he releases the ball. I think Carr could have placed the ball a lot better, but he also wanted to lead AJ a bit. All in all, a good play by the defense, or a bad play by Carr. I guess those of you who are hell-bent on finding bad things about Carr can say he placed the ball poorly, like I just did.

5th pass play - seven step drop. Carr steps up between the rushing defenders and delivers the screen pass to Lundy. If you watch the LB on the reverse angle, you can tell that Carr/Lundy didn't sell the handoff very well. Those of you who have to fault Carr on every play can point to that if you like. Kubiak certainly will because selling the hand-offs is extremely important in this offense.

6th pass play - this is the long screen to Putzier. Carr looks the defense off and then throws to Putzier at just the right time. Well-designed play and easy execution.

7th pass play - this one got called back because Lundy held. Play-action handoff with a pass to Bennie Joppru. Well-designed play and executed well. Carr sells the play-action better than in the screen to Lundy and Joppru does a nice job. Carr delivers the ball with nice touch as well, which is nice to see. Lundy can't block, ugh.

8th pass play - 5-step or 7-step drop (I forgot to count when I was making notes, but it wasn't a 3-step); slant to AJ. Carr looks to AJ, looks back to mid-field, where AJ is going, then back to AJ as he delivers the ball. It seems obvious to me that AJ was the first (and only) read and this is something that opposing teams will see on film. Good positive play, but I don't like Carr's placement. It's a bit high and he doesn't lead AJ like you would hope to see. On the other hand, AJ got jammed hard and had to fight early in the route, so that threw off the timing, but Carr still focused on AJ at the start, where AJ was headed, and on AJ's present state as he threw the ball to AJ. You'd never know that AJ was on his mind. I'm not sure how much of the placement was on Carr here. It's got to be AJ's fault.

9th pass play - play-action rollout. Lundy does a poor job overall here, but it's good coverage downfield. Lundy's man is charging hard at Carr, who turns on the speed, trying to buy time. Carr wisely throws it away, instead of running for positive yardage.

10th pass play - seven step drop; Carr is making multiple reads of AJ and where AJ is going. Unblocked blitzer creams Carr as he's delivering ball. I don't see any fault with Carr whatsoever on this play. The Rams showed blitz pre-snap and Carr stood in there, didn't adjust the play or his actions, making his reads and trusting his protection, like an idiot. Last year, I think we'd have seen happy feet on this play. Negative play, but I liked Carr on this play.


I think Carr needs to concentrate more on AJ.

PS-Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :)
 
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