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El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Just remember that everyone is lying right now and Texans could be trying to see if San Fran would trade up with them.
MistaRed
Rookie
True. Have to look at all options during the draft.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
In fact they probably are going to throw out more info about how Dreessen led our team in TDs last year and now we will have a huge drop off in that production and they'll even talk about how our offense uses two TE sets and Kubiak loves him some TE.
Did you read my post or did you just go into "smartazz mode"?
I specifically said that I could care less about him rag dolling people. I specifically mentioned two traits that have nothing to do with competition which are how well he moves his feet and his srength.
Why don't you email this post to the NFL scouts that are evaluating him from playing the same teams.
As a matter of fact, just walk down to Reliant and shove it in Rick Smith's mailbox. I'm pretty sure he'd appreciate your deep insight.
how bad a blocker could a 6'6" 247 player be? he does not need to pancake, just hold his own I would think. I would be ok with this pick myself.
If he doesn't have footwork and high effort he could be terrible.
I don't know if Fleener is a bad blocker or not and I really don't even care. Honestly, I don't think his receiving skills are first round worthy.
V3rm0nt3r
Rookie
the statistics may be there but if you're in a 4th and short situation would you rather run behind Wade Smith or Jahri Evans?
And Josh Sitton (Green Bay, drafted in 4th round of 2008 draft) put together a fantastic season last year despite being snubbed from the pro-bowl.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I don't see a G or TE in rd 1. I really don't. Having said that, I'm not going to throw a hissy fit if Fleener or any of the G or T are picked. We need good football players that are playmakers on either side of the ball.
Thinking it over though, a case could be made that Fleener could add just as much to the pass game as any of the WR taken at that spot. You could still come back around rd 3 and get a WR that you can groom as a Walter replacement...and perhaps get your AJ replacement in the next draft or two.
I could imagine a double TE set with Fleener and OD who can both run the seam and present major matchup trouble. I see Fleener as a big WR with speed more than a traditional TE. I mean you have a guy at 6-6 250lbs, who can run a 4.5. Adding that kind of athletic ability would be intriging. Call him a TE and make fun all you want of Kubes love affair with TE, but as a pass catcher, I like it the more I think of it. Then you can always flare out our vaunted RB who is one of the best out of the backfield...then you can still have AJ and WR2 (whomever that ends up being) in the pattern as well.
That is one hell of a lot of weapons at Matt's disposal so I'm not sure it's as far fletched as it appears. Having said that, I still view it as a longshot.
The last couple of weeks I have been thinking more and more that they are going OLB there at 26 (assuming no trade down). Curry, Branch, McCellin are a handful of names that I think could be there and could be our pick.
Thinking it over though, a case could be made that Fleener could add just as much to the pass game as any of the WR taken at that spot. You could still come back around rd 3 and get a WR that you can groom as a Walter replacement...and perhaps get your AJ replacement in the next draft or two.
I could imagine a double TE set with Fleener and OD who can both run the seam and present major matchup trouble. I see Fleener as a big WR with speed more than a traditional TE. I mean you have a guy at 6-6 250lbs, who can run a 4.5. Adding that kind of athletic ability would be intriging. Call him a TE and make fun all you want of Kubes love affair with TE, but as a pass catcher, I like it the more I think of it. Then you can always flare out our vaunted RB who is one of the best out of the backfield...then you can still have AJ and WR2 (whomever that ends up being) in the pattern as well.
That is one hell of a lot of weapons at Matt's disposal so I'm not sure it's as far fletched as it appears. Having said that, I still view it as a longshot.
The last couple of weeks I have been thinking more and more that they are going OLB there at 26 (assuming no trade down). Curry, Branch, McCellin are a handful of names that I think could be there and could be our pick.
XI CMURDER IX
Gig 'em
Nice video, and I really like the athleticism he shows. Especially when pulling on a run play and being able to run downfield and block.
The thing that really stands out though is the fact that on every one of those plays the whole offensive line dominated. Which kind of makes me think they are either full of pro-caliber offensive linemen, or the defenses they faced weren't so good.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Glad to see more people are getting onboard with taking Fleener at 26, if he's there, for the exact reasons you point out. I am just not sure that the second tier WRs in this draft could make the sort of immediate impact Fleener could at TE. OD initially wasn't a great blocker either, but its something he's worked his way into.
Yall better stop this or Powda is going to blow a fuse!
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
They said that and much worse about Shannon Sharpe and he did OK in this offense up in Denver.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
This is what I've been saying. We need another receiving option. It doesn't much matter if that's a WR or a TE.
Imagine an offense with OD, Fleener, Casey, and AJ lined up along with someone like a Toon. OD, Fleener, and Casey could all line up in the back field as FBs, on the line as TEs, or spread out as WRs. And then go in motion and all shift over to take the other's spots. This could create some great matchups and warp some defensive assignments. You put all those big guys out there and then throw a jump ball to the guy covered by the shortest DB. There's just a lot that can be done with an athlete like that.
Gawd.
I hate waiting for the damned draft to start.
I don't know if I agree with that.
How many teams have a receiver as good as Aj, two legit te's (Dreesen last yr),and a rb that is as good receiving as Arian is. And no matter what people say Walter and jacoby don't suck. They aren't ideally what you'd like in a #2 receiver, but they are capable 3s or 4s. Then you also had Casey at fb for a while who I think will fit in nicely as the second TE.
So last year, minus jacoby and Walter you had about 4 or 5 really good receiving options on the field last year that were above average when Aj was healthy.
The thing we missed was when Aj hot hurt we didn't have anyone even close to being able to step up on the outside of the formation. No one that gave cb's fits trying to cover.
Personally I don't see fleener as the type of receiving option that Jimmy Grahm, antonio gates or gronk is. I don't think he is that kind of player. I believe Ladarius green is closer to that than he is.
I think we specifically need another wr. Like I said, I think Casey can fill in and pick up where Dreesen left off and without picking up anyone at all we still have 3 or 4 really good pass catchers. Not a lot of teams can say that and not a lot of teams have an Andre mixed in with those 3 or 4 options.
Blake
MMQB
You realize its 7pm EASTERN right? So thats 6pm CENTRAL for us.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Nope - 8:00 PM ET - 7:00 for most of us.
no I think its 7pm our time ( central )
Playoffs
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Notable: Exactly 365 days ago, Pauline reported #Ravens "will grab" Jimmy Smith if he got to them. Smith was Baltimore's 1st-round pick.
Per SI's Tony Pauline, #Ravens "will jump" on Shea McClellin if he's available at 29. Peter Konz is fallback target:
Notable: Exactly 365 days ago, Pauline reported #Ravens "will grab" Jimmy Smith if he got to them. Smith was Baltimore's 1st-round pick.
Per SI's Tony Pauline, #Ravens "will jump" on Shea McClellin if he's available at 29. Peter Konz is fallback target:
Blake
MMQB
I stand corrected. Read it wrong.
• Round 1: Thursday, April 26 (8 p.m. ET)
• Rounds 2-3: Friday, April 27 (7 p.m. ET)
• Rounds 4-7: Saturday, April 28 (noon ET)
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Nah. Im saving all the fuses I have left for this weekend when the Texans draft an unprecidented 19 damn tight ends.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Any true draftnik would have ESPN, NFL Network, at least two radios and TT mb on at least 4 hours prior to "here's the NFL Commissioner with the first pick in the 2012 NFL draft..."
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Yeah, pretty much.
The possibility of "missing" the draft because it started before I expected is just about null.
The NFLN will be on tomorrow morning as soon as I get up and will stay on through the end of the draft.
badboy
Hall of Fame
haha, I'd feel sorry for you if I were not so busy feeling sorry for me.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
So I was thinking about Coby Fleener and I believe I even started a thread about how it would make sense for us to get him and I've made several posts about how much I'd like to have him or wouldn't be mad if we drafted him with our first pick.
That being said I was looking over my draft board and the next TE I have is Brian Linthicum TE Michigan St. And I have him around for us at around the 4th round. With all the things said about Fleener in terms of reasons why he wouldn't be a bad first round pick (TE that can be the #2 WR, an offense that brings succes to TE, no proven threat as a #2 TE option for our two TE sets). Can Lithicum be a TE that can give us what we are looking for also in a TE? Can he do Coby Fleener type things for our team as well? Because if so, I'd be willing to draft a TE with one of our two 4th rounders. That's why you pick up the extra picks right?
That being said I was looking over my draft board and the next TE I have is Brian Linthicum TE Michigan St. And I have him around for us at around the 4th round. With all the things said about Fleener in terms of reasons why he wouldn't be a bad first round pick (TE that can be the #2 WR, an offense that brings succes to TE, no proven threat as a #2 TE option for our two TE sets). Can Lithicum be a TE that can give us what we are looking for also in a TE? Can he do Coby Fleener type things for our team as well? Because if so, I'd be willing to draft a TE with one of our two 4th rounders. That's why you pick up the extra picks right?
nero THE zero
All Pro
I'll be presenting in class. It sucks.
But, I'll be out and driving home by the time it's the Texans to pick (assuming they stay at 26).
Linthicum is significantly slower (4.5ish vs 4.8ish). He is said to have soft hands, but he hasn't done much in the redzone and his routes are a little stiff. He looks like more of a blocker than a significant reception guy to me. His best year was 31 rec for 364 yards.
He was also arrested for fighting and charged with 3rd degree assault and evading arrest in 2011. He pleaded to a lesser charge. Texans may not like that background though.
He was also arrested for fighting and charged with 3rd degree assault and evading arrest in 2011. He pleaded to a lesser charge. Texans may not like that background though.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I'm not that high on him for our offense and I think 4th is high for him overall myself. He might even be a UDFA for his off field trouble and so/so numbers at best.
If you are looking for an alternative to Fleener with a top pick, it's Ladiurous Green. Played at a small school so admitedly my opinion is mostly second hand, but I liked the highlights I did see and his size/speed is right up there with Fleener. Not as polished and might need a bit more seasoning but his potential is pretty close from what I can tell. Looks like a guy that will go in the 2nd or 3rd. Won't be there in the 4th (I don't think)
For a later round guy, perhaps someone like James Hanna from Oklahoma. I think he has the skillset we are looking for as well. Good speed/size ratio like Fleener and Green. Just didn't catch a lot of passes. Of course neither did OD. I think he could be had in the 4th, 5th or maybe even 6th depending on exactly what you think of his potential.
Anyway, those are my top 3 TE's for this offense at different levels of the draft and all three are on my radar.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Just looking at Combine numbers, James Hanna looks AMAZING. But he didn't get production to match those numbers. He's a guy I'd consider in the later rounds if we don't get Fleener but from what I've seen, none of the TEs in this class come without red flags. Even Fleener.
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skenney_11
Practice Squad
That is what I am hoping for. Their 2nd and 3rd for our 1st. The only thing is that it is gonna suck to wait til tomorrow for the Texans to pick.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Ya that would be good...but who under us in the 1st rd is a threat to take a QB? You have the Pats, Ravens, Giants, SF, and Green Bay. If that's the case, they don't need to trade back up into the 1st round.
The only way it works is if another team wants to also trade-up for Weeden. Say they get wind that team B loves him and has an offer to trade up with the Pats at #27, so now the Brownies must trade up to our spot to take him. An unlikely, but not impossible scenerio.
I put the the tradedown odds at 10% and trade up odds at 5% but anything is possible.
Playoffs
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You're right, board doesn't play out for that. Now I see it looks like Mel "The Hair" Kiper sourced it ... makes stuff up, perennially wrong.
Herm Edwards...
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Texans First Round Draft Value Chart
Good stuff from LZ on draft day!
Offense
Higher Priority: WR: Michael Floyd/OT:Jonathan Martin, Cordy Glenn
Defense
Higher Priority: DE: Chandler Jones/OLB: Shea McClellin, Courtney Upshaw, Whitney Mercilus, Nick Perry/ILB: Dont'a Hightower
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Good stuff from LZ on draft day!
Offense
Higher Priority: WR: Michael Floyd/OT:Jonathan Martin, Cordy Glenn
Defense
Higher Priority: DE: Chandler Jones/OLB: Shea McClellin, Courtney Upshaw, Whitney Mercilus, Nick Perry/ILB: Dont'a Hightower
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Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
The other team that will likely want Weeden is the Jags and possibly the Chiefs, Seahawks, or Dolphins (whoever doesn't get Tannehill). No way do I let the Jags trade up to get him if I have the Browns bidding though. Let them bid up the price, and sell to the Browns for their highest bid. They have 13 picks, they can afford to give a 2nd, 3rd and 5th for 26, or both 4ths. Either way, I think we may be in a good spot to drop back 11 spots. I'm really hoping this happens because it gives us more draft cash to move around in 2-4 rounds.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
At that low it's not far fetched to think that those teams may want their backup QB. Ok I'm reaching :kubepalm:
TheCD
Rookie
I'm obviously a bit biased but I graduated from Midwestern State and I was hoping we would target Silatolu the 2nd. I know other players from the team that have said he is a really great guy who works hard to get better.
Side note, while not the first MSU grad to play in the NFL (e.g. Dominic Rhodes), he is the first to be drafted.
Side note, while not the first MSU grad to play in the NFL (e.g. Dominic Rhodes), he is the first to be drafted.