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Texans among teams that are interested in trading for Bears #1 pick (#26)

nunusguy said:
I agree, but what is a GM to do if Kubiak says "I gotta have this guy to make
the OL work", or "the only way the secondary can succeed is if we get that
guy" ? And if everybody knows the player won't make it to the second round, what's the GM gonna do but try and make a trade, even though we know the Babin trade was a bad experience ?
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What's a GM to do? How about growing a pair. Nuff said. If the GM is going to cave to every whim of the HC, then why exactly do we have one?

How many times have the Pats traded up? And they have a full roster. We still need bodies. Yes, we need quality too, but it's not as if you can't get quality sitting right there at #33, or even trading down for that matter. IF they are targeting Winston and he is gone, then take one in the 3rd round. There are 3-5 good choices there in the 2nd thru 3rd, and at least one is bound to be available at the top of the 3rd. Gimme break.
 
If we can trade players for picks maybe we don't have to trade our 33
 
Hulk75 said:
Like I say what if he does not.
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Then take another player. I like Winston, but I am not sold on his pass blocking. The guy has very short arms. I don't want to trade away valuable picks to get him or anyone else for that matter. We aren't one player away.
 
Bears are reportedly wanting to move out of 1st round, as Denver did. They have #26 and are talking to Texans about us giving up 1st pick round two and maybe 1 more in exchange for chance to pick someone still there at 26th.:stirpot:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Can we not trade players for picks at this point ?
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Which of our players would anyone give up anything for? No way we let go of AJ or DRob. After them there really isnt much value.
 
I HATE THIS IDEA!

If we give up our 2nd rounder, why trade up seven spots? I think it is a little more black and white right now as to who some teams are leaning towards.

26. Bears (if no trade): Since they signed Manning Jr., probably looking at LB or TE.

27. Panthers: RB, DB, or LB are needs.

28: Jags: an unknown, could do anything, OLB is the most dire need, likely no OL need

29. Jets: Chances are they will take a QB or RB here. Maybe DE, but not the right value avaialble likely.

30. Colts: RB, sorely needed.

31. 'Hawks: Secondary to replace Dyson, although they were thinking Law recently, so could OG or TE. Law is old and great value at DB here.

32. Steelers: RB is all anyone says, but DB to replace Hope is also possible.

I don't see OL being an issue of someone being stolen away. Especially if we have to give up a multiple picks to trade up.
 
Here's the thinking. We picked up an extra 3rd for moving down 3 spots so if we move up six with the extra 3rd, we just got a steal. LAME
 
Too bad CHI just traded their 3rd for Manning.

26 + 88 (the pick they sent to CAR) = 850

33 + 65 = 845

We'd still have 2 3rd rounders...they just wouldn't be back-to-back.

Oh well...
 
No way should they be targeting Winston. If anybody, I would go for, in order

Manny Lawson
Ernie Sims
Donte Whitner
Bobby Carpenter

How bout they trade the second back for an extra third from whoever has one, and then they trade that second with the NO third.
 
I'm sorrry but I'm still suffering from Babin Hangover.

Pleeeeease don't do this!!!!

I think either Winston or Dqwell Jackson is there at 33rd. I'm happy with either of those.

We need players this year. Remember we are CHANGING defenses so our personnel needs a change as well.
 
I heard somewhere that there is not as much 1st round talent as we think, that some GM's have only around 18 players with first round grades. Explains why so many teams are leaving the latter half of the draft. Why C.C., just stay were we are.
 
Steelers also looking at Nick Mangold (C Ohio St).

Why move up to get Winston? You only do that if he is worthy of giving up a pick...he is not.

Then again, I see Cass' angle. If he trades now, he gets a better deal. If he waits until pick #20 of the draft (on the day of), the Bears hold the power....could over-compensate the Bears to move up to #23.

I hope his draft board is fairly accurate to try anything. It is hard enough to predict the top 10 picks as of last week.....let alone the top 25 picks today! Too much uncertainty to make this move for a guy that may or may not be there.

I'd still rather keep the picks (or trade #66 to pick up more picks), and ride it out. DC could be picked up in late 3rd or 4th. He is too undersized to play T/G in the NFL, but perfect fit for the Zone Blocking schemes ( which works in the favor of a few teams, Texans one of them).
 
The Eagles are projected to take Mangold in the middle of the first. Reports say the Eagle will trade up for defensive help or down for Mangold as middle of the first is to high for a center. The Jets are projected to take Winston at 29. So I could see the Jets trading with the Eagles. If we have the 26th pick we would have a choice of Mangold or Winston which ever one is there. Mangold is Ranked the # 2 Offensive Lineman in the Draft and can also play Guard. I could see that happening as our Guards are not Great (Mckinney)? and insurance for Flanigan. If Winston falls to us We take him as one Mock Draft has us taking Whitworth (OT) LSU with our second round pick which I feel is a big drop off from Winston. Just my opinion
 
TexasJedi said:
Babin II? This does fit with Casserly talking about his hope that guys they want being around when they pick in round 2. I hope this is a precaution, but at least let a trade be for someone like Jonathan Joseph, Jason Allen, or D'Qwell Jackson. Hopefully no trade is necessary.
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Agreed, Babin II. When will we get a legit Personel department? Inqiring minds want to know. This is so stupid. A deep draft and we're talking about throwing away picks. Good greif. I wonder which Einstien has stamped his aproval on this
player. I have no faith in our scouts.
 
I'm not a fan of any rebuilding team giving up picks to move up - it is almost never worth it. If the Cowboys dynasty has taught us anything it is that more picks = more chances to both mess up without setting you back and hitting it big with a pick beyond the 1st round. Keep the picks or even trade down for more I say.

I know its tough now, because all the mocks and all the books say this player is better than that player, but at the end of the day the teams with the most picks will do better.
 
The likeliness (and rumor from what I heard) is we are sending our 2nd (#33, 580 pts.) and 4th (#98, 108 pts.) for their 1st (#26, 700 pts.). The Bears would be shortchanged 12 pts. but I think that won't overly matter. As far as who they are targeting, I am led to believe (as I posted in my most recent mock) that they don't like Eric Winston or even Johnathan Joseph (neither are available at #26 in my mock anyways) enough to send away an extra pick for them and that they are moving up to target one of the big 4 RBs if one is still available because they are taking Mario at #1. Personally my target for them was Laurence Maroney, I think he is the most likely one to be available and I think he's the best fit for their system, and I would not at all be surprised to see us take Mario at #1 and look to move up for Maroney if he's available.
 
I have heard that many charts have Eric Winston being gone before the second round, so I agree that could be the reason they draft up. However, I have also heard that Kubiak/Denver rarely took a lineman in the first round. Based on Denver's history and our dearth in the defensive secondary, I think we could be likely to see a CB/Safety coming to Houston.
 
MorKnolle said:
The likeliness (and rumor from what I heard) is we are sending our 2nd (#33, 580 pts.) and 4th (#98, 108 pts.) for their 1st (#26, 700 pts.). The Bears would be shortchanged 12 pts. but I think that won't overly matter. As far as who they are targeting, I am led to believe (as I posted in my most recent mock) that they don't like Eric Winston or even Johnathan Joseph (neither are available at #26 in my mock anyways) to send away an extra pick for them and that they are moving up to target one of the big 4 RBs if one is still available because they are taking Mario at #1. Personally my target for them was Laurence Maroney, I think he is the most likely one to be available and I think he's the best fit for their system, and I would not at all be surprised to see us take Mario at #1 and look to move up for Maroney if he's available.
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No offense, but :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

A really good cb I could live with.
 
I don't think E. Winston is the target, but more along the lines of a LB, S, CB or possibly at TE.

I really like Bobby Carpenter and he's projected in that area. Also if a guy like Sims drops (concusions) or a S like Whitner would be a good value.

Given the discussion prior to the draft, it probably they've identified 3-4 players that they like that could go in the 27-32 range. It is probably cheaper to move up now vice wait to see what happens.

Although I don't like giving up our 4th, getting a difference maker on defense would be worth it.
 
MorKnolle said:
The likeliness (and rumor from what I heard) is we are sending our 2nd (#33, 580 pts.) and 4th (#98, 108 pts.) for their 1st (#26, 700 pts.). The Bears would be shortchanged 12 pts. but I think that won't overly matter. As far as who they are targeting, I am led to believe (as I posted in my most recent mock) that they don't like Eric Winston or even Johnathan Joseph (neither are available at #26 in my mock anyways) enough to send away an extra pick for them and that they are moving up to target one of the big 4 RBs if one is still available because they are taking Mario at #1. Personally my target for them was Laurence Maroney, I think he is the most likely one to be available and I think he's the best fit for their system, and I would not at all be surprised to see us take Mario at #1 and look to move up for Maroney if he's available.
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If that happens that would really suck...
 
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