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Texans among teams that are interested in trading for Bears #1 pick (#26)

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ThaShark316

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Texans | Team interested in acquiring another first round choice
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:30 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Houston Texans, who own the first pick of the second round, are interested in trading up and may have a potential partner in the Chicago Bears. The Bears own the No. 26 pick and may be interested in trading down.

From kffl.com

Thoughts?
 
ThaShark316 said:
Texans | Team interested in acquiring another first round choice
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:30 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Houston Texans, who own the first pick of the second round, are interested in trading up and may have a potential partner in the Chicago Bears. The Bears own the No. 26 pick and may be interested in trading down.

From kffl.com

Thoughts?
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Winston? A specific CB?
 
Babin II? This does fit with Casserly talking about his hope that guys they want being around when they pick in round 2. I hope this is a precaution, but at least let a trade be for someone like Jonathan Joseph, Jason Allen, or D'Qwell Jackson. Hopefully no trade is necessary.
 
Here we go again. Our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th to move into the 1st round.

Hopefully, we can get a better deal & better player this time around.

My guess on player is Antonio Cromartie.
 
It would have to look like this:

Texans give:

#33=580
#65=265
#66=260
#97=112

total 1217 pts

Texans get:

#26= 750
#57=330
#90=140

total=1220

Don't know if I would make that deal.
 
IMO they must be targeting Johnathan Joeseph CB from SC. I just did a mock and the two 3rd rounders aren't looking that great actually. If we give them our 2nd and one of our 3rd's then we could get our choice of CB's or OT's.

I'm also thinking that they've identified OT's later in the draft that fit just as good or better than some of the OT's rated higher. It looks like Marcus McNeill will be there at #33, but he may have weight issues. If you're looking for a starting CB you're talking 1st round.
 
THe past makes me say "Somebody stop him!!!!" But he did a decent job with Free Agency & I still believe his leash will be very short on Draft day. So, I would be OK if we dont give away excessive draft picks for it. Is the corner, J.J. from SC that good?
 
If we get an offensive lineman it will be good move.

I wonder though, if this could possibly be a move to perhaps get Manny Lawson. This would make up for not getting Williams maybe.

Doing this, does it bring more value to the 3rd rounder we got from N.O. in the Travis Johnson trade? I think it might because with that 3rd we may be able to go up to the second.
 
Frak The Jags said:
Is the corner, J.J. from SC that good?
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5-11/193 and runs 4.3's! JC transfer, only 1 season at South Carolina. Needs to develop some skills, but is already excellent playing with only speed and natural instincts.

Originally projected as a 2nd rounder, there is a good chance now that he'll be gone by #26 even.
 
I will really have to figure out who the Texans are targeting before I'd be happy with trading up again. I'm not a Babin Basher, but I'm don't know why we traded up for him. And I would hate to see us do it again and not get any real value out of it.
 
Noooooo! There are plenty of good players in this draft. We need more than one player. If someone they like gets picked, go to the next guy you have on your board. If anything, trade down. We need more, not fewer players. This guy is a complete buffon. Somebody get Casserly out of the damn draft room before he pulls another Babin. Jeez, he never learns does he. :brickwall :brickwall
 
Htown34s said:
5-11/193 and runs 4.3's! JC transfer, only 1 season at South Carolina. Needs to develop some skills, but is already excellent playing with only speed and natural instincts.

Originally projected as a 2nd rounder, there is a good chance now that he'll be gone by #26 even.
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On nfldraftcountdown.com they have....

#19 CB Antonio Cromartie
#20 CB Tye Hill
#21 CB Richard Marshall
#23 CB Jonathan Joseph
#31 CB Kelly Jennings

My guess is they will be moving up for this run at CB during the draft.
 
NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!

If this is true, someone jackknife a cabbage truck in front of Charley's car, quick!

Deepest draft in years, you don't want to trade away picks to move up now. PERHAPS, on draft day, you do it if someone on your board is still there and you think you could take him. But not now.

I would be MUCH happier if they waited until draft day, then once it got to their 2nd pick, they traded DOWN a few spots to pick up more picks. This draft is very strong through the 3rd round, and I would love trading down from #33 to #38-#40 in order to pick up an extra 3rd rounder.

The Babin trade will go down as one of the stupidest in Texans history. Let's NOT repeat it.
 
Texans | Team interested in acquiring another first round choice
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:30 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Houston Texans, who own the first pick of the second round, are interested in trading up and may have a potential partner in the Chicago Bears. The Bears own the No. 26 pick and may be interested in trading down.
 
Very interesting, though I half suspect KFFL is full of it (the guys that "broke the story" on the Texans trading Carr for Ricky Williams and a second.) I am not sure what the Texans would have to gain by jumping what, six spots? that late in the first round. I suspect it is going to cost us but yes, this is a deep draft, pretty much all the way through the first round, so hell it is possible that there is a player they have their collective eye on.

If true, and IMO that is a very big if given the source and our current draft position, then the likely pickup is Eric Winston of Miami: fills a much needed T spot. Or ... say they are looking to draft Mario Williams, and they are looking to trade back into going for another RB, say a Laurence Maroney (who some mocks do have falling that far?), because of Davis' durability concerns. On that note, I also find it strange that for all we have heard about some of our players this offseason, we have heard not a peep about Domanick Davis or where he fits into their game plan, with or without Bush. Maybe DD is on his way out, or will factor into this trade with the Bears?

Now -- if that is their thought process -- is this their plan A, or is this plan B in case Bush doesn't act right in negotiations?
 
Jonathan Joseph, I pointed this out earlier in the year. Mcnairs USC alumni adn he likes USC players, we went for Dunta, and Williamson, this year it's Joseph.
 
Htown34s said:
IMO they must be targeting Johnathan Joeseph CB from SC. I just did a mock and the two 3rd rounders aren't looking that great actually. If we give them our 2nd and one of our 3rd's then we could get our choice of CB's or OT's.

I'm also thinking that they've identified OT's later in the draft that fit just as good or better than some of the OT's rated higher. It looks like Marcus McNeill will be there at #33, but he may have weight issues. If you're looking for a starting CB you're talking 1st round.
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If Texans give #33=580 and #66=260 total =840 pts

If Texans get#26=750 pts, that's not an equal trade
 
Eyeguy said:
If Texans give #33=580 and #66=260 total =840 pts

If Texans get#26=750 pts, that's not an equal trade
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Man who the hell cares about that extra lame *** draft point chart or w/e its called...its so stupid, it aint funny....leave it alone, damn.

Sorry, but it is.
 
Eyeguy said:
If Texans give #33=580 and #66=260 total =840 pts

If Texans get#26=750 pts, that's not an equal trade
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our 2nd rounder and 4th rounder is only about 8 points short of equal i think.
 
ThaShark316 said:
Man who the hell cares about that extra lame *** draft point chart or w/e its called...its so stupid, it aint funny....leave it alone, damn.

Sorry, but it is.
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You are talking about leaving the equal of the 6th pick in the 4th round (#102) on the table. 90 points
 
Porky said:
Noooooo! There are plenty of good players in this draft. We need more than one player. If someone they like gets picked, go to the next guy you have on your board. If anything, trade down. We need more, not fewer players. This guy is a complete buffon. Somebody get Casserly out of the damn draft room before he pulls another Babin. Jeez, he never learns does he. :brickwall :brickwall
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I agree, but what is a GM to do if Kubiak says "I gotta have this guy to make
the OL work", or "the only way the secondary can succeed is if we get that
guy" ? And if everybody knows the player won't make it to the second round, what's the GM gonna do but try and make a trade, even though we know the Babin trade was a bad experience ?
 
Even the Bears will screw this one up!!!

OK trade up get Reggie Bush, that means they will trade Thomas Jones to Indy for sure then and now what do we do with 2 first round multi million dollar drafted RBs... This SUCKS!!!

OR

Maybe the Bears a working a side trade with Indy so the Bears trade up to #1 and then in return trade down to Indy's spot(s) giving Indy Reggie Bush. Now that I can see as a possibility for the Bears

Who knows. Reggie would not last long healthy with the Bears run first game plan smashmouth football. Do you think?
 
dhaNim said:
our 2nd rounder and 4th rounder is only about 8 points short of equal i think.
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#33=580 + #97=112 total=692

#26=750 diffrence is 58points (equal to 21st pick in 4th rnd)

great deal for us if they will do it
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Smoke screen. You don't give up the #1 in a draft like this and not get an MIND BLOWING offer in return.
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The report was that we give our #33 plus something else to trade back up into the first round. No one has mentioned trading down from the #1 :confused: And if so, I have plenty of explicit thoughts I would like to share with the FO ... :challenge
 
Quality over Quantity. With funds not being plentiful, especially with the #1 pick, If a guy the coach wants is there - make it happen. Much easier to sign one guy as opposed to three. With the caveat that he is an obviously better choice then what we could have gotten.
 
Build the right system and scout the talent, interchangeable talent that is readily available is what needs to be scouted.

We are sitting good with our current set of draft picks, especially with the first two in the 3rd round.

These guys should be doing their homework and find the guys that will be available for the second and third round picks we have, not just get tunnel vision on one guy. I think that was the probably with Babin, they designed some exotic 3-4 defense that makes some players more valuable to us than to other teams because of the system. Now with the 4-3, Babin isn't really worth it.

We need those three picks, and we need them to be impact players in 2006. Moving up 6 spots doesn't really seem to be worth that much unless this guy is going to be force at his position.

I just hope they aren't looking for a running back, quarterback, wide receiver, or tight end in this draft. We have enough of those right now, and I don't see how past Reggie Bush, how any guy drafted at those positions are going to make the team on the final cut. We need immediate impact players, forget about development players this year.
 
Lots of possibilities outside of Olinemen.

Manny Lawson
Richard Marshall
Donte Whitner
Antonio Cromartie
Tye Hill
Jonathen Joseph
Lendale White (hah)

Basicly.. this would be a great spot to either grab any of the elite defensive linemen that slid a bit.. or grab one of the top DBs in the draft.

Or we could get Lendale White :P hah..that would suck.
 
Some mocks have E. Winston going to the Jets at #29. If they don't take D'Brickshaw at #5 then they may want Winston. If the Texans think this will happen they MIGHT want to move up to #26 and take Winston.
 
My thinking is there trying to trade up and get an OT or perhaps another starting DB/Safety since were thin in the secondary.
 
Eyeguy said:
Some mocks have E. Winston going to the Jets at #29. If they don't take D'Brickshaw at #5 then they may want Winston. If the Texans think this will happen they MIGHT want to move up to #26 and take Winston.
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That IMO is the likely scenario if this deal is in fact real and goes through. Winston will probably drop off in the late 20s range, which means if we want the guy we probably trade up for him. He supposedly put on a good combine and is a solid pickup at T.
 
Eyeguy said:
#33=580 + #97=112 total=692

#26=750 diffrence is 58points (equal to 21st pick in 4th rnd)

great deal for us if they will do it
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u might want to check again i have the 26th pick worth 700. i just checked again after u said this.
 
dhaNim said:
u might want to check again i have the 26th pick worth 700. i just checked again after u said this.
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My chart from East Coast Sports News has #26@750 and #28@700 ????
 
HJam72 said:
I wanted Winston, but I still don't like this. I think it's a really bad idea.
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If Winston is gone @ #33 would you consider trading down 4-5 picks for 4th rounder.Then choose Colledge and pick up Setterstrom with 4th round pick from trade down?
 
I may be mistaken, but I thought they said one of the bonuses of signing so many free agents would be that they could now just pick best available player in draft. If that is case, why not just stay where they are and take who is available. I get the feeling they either are doing this though to get Eric Winston, who has seen his stock go up, or some CB or possibly Allen at S from Tennessee. No, I'm not an insider, but this would be the only thing that makes sense.
 
Eyeguy said:
If Winston is gone @ #33 would you consider trading down 4-5 picks for 4th rounder.Then choose Colledge and pick up Setterstrom with 4th round pick from trade down?
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Probably, but that's more thinking than I wanta do right now. :)
 
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