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Texans agree to terms with Matt Leinart

Carr Bombed said:
Seriously, I don't know why so many people are complaining.....it's a one year deal (which means they can cut him at any time) and it's not like we currently have better options at that position.
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I agree. He gave Carr the entire year, because of McNair, I doubt Lienart would get as long. If he's truly as detached from the game as they say he has been in Arizona, I doubt he makes the month of September.
 
Think about this: maybe he just needs a change. Maybe there was a personality difference with coaches, we won't know for sure for awhile. I remember a guy we signed last year who was in the doghouse with his coaches. I personally believe he was our defensive MVP last season. Sometimes a guy just needs to be around different people. At least give him a chance.
 
BSofA04 said:
As a fan it's easy to ***** about this decision. However, we have a QB minded head coach. Kubiak clearly wanted Leinert. Why else did we jump so quickly? One year to see what the kid's got, then we cut bait or extend him. It's not like Leinert will have numerous takers after spending a year holding a clipboard.

Let's give him a chance to earn the backup role. If he pulls a Carr and doesn't have the work ethic, then the Texans will send him packing.
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I would bet Kubiak & Knapp & Smith all looked at Lienart the third week of the preseason, when he was unseated as the starter. I bet they looked at game film from way back, probably even back to his USC days.

I bet they identified issues, and discussed whether those issues could be fixed or not, lastly I bet they talked to Frank Bush at least, to find out what he thought of Matt as a pro, and if he liked him as a football player.
 
Can he play TE?

He's the backup (to the backup?), let him sit on the bench and enjoy the ride.
 
I wasn't a big fan of the acquisition when it was in the rumor stage, and the fact that it's now reality doesn't change that.

I will add however, that I disagree with the comparisons to Carr. The main reason that they're compared is obvious. High draft pick, instant starter (Well, 4th game in the case of Leinart), results way way less than expectations.

Let's look at the differences.

Carr ended up playing for the HC that drafted him for four years. He played for the OC that drafted him for 3+ years. He never was seriously challenged for the starting job (almost definitely by design). He had 60 starts to show what he could do, and to learn his craft - he didn't do either very well. He proved that he hadn't learned much with the Texans with a horrible stop at Carolina as their backup QB. He pretty much proved that he wasn't even a marginal QB after 6 years in the league.

Leinart won 4 games in 11 starts for a team that had been 5-11 the year before he was drafted. He then saw the HC (and offensive guru) that drafted him fired after his rookie season. By the 3rd game of his 2nd season, his new HC was platooning at QB, and by the 5th game, he'd gotten injured and was out for the season. He started one more game in his career with the Cardinals. After 16 starts - only 11 of which were for the HC that drafted him, he was sent on his way.

One other thing - lots of comments have been made about Leinart not being willing to accept the backup role, and him being very vocal about wanting to be a starter. Well, he served 31 games in the backup role in Arizona after starting 16 of his first 21 games there. I don't ever remember hearing anything prior to this preseason about him being unwilling to accept the backup role. That's what he's been for the last half of his pro career, yet during the time that Arizona had a clearly identified starter (as the Texans do with Schaub), he did nothing but fill the role he was expected to fill with no rocking of the boat (as far as we know).

You can easily argue that his release from the Cardinals had more to do with his relationship with his teammates and his coach than it did his physical talent. Yeah, that's potentially as big a problem - if not bigger - than physical talent, but a change of scenery provide far more potential to change your relationship with your teammates, your HC, and yourself than it does to increase the amount of physical talent you possess.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Jeff Garcia is a asshat and a diva...

He's playing semi-pro ball NOT because he can't get a job in the NFL....there are a ton of teams that would love to have him as a backup (and we're probably one of them), but the reason why he's playing semi-pro ball is because the man wants to be a starter and the word on the street is he divides locker rooms and is somewhat of a cancer when he's not the starter.

No thanks to Jeff Garcia. I'll gladly sign his wife to a 1 night contract though. :)
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I would love for Carmella Decesare to come to town!! :runaway:
 
I like the signing. Leinart got booted from AZ because of attitude issues. he didn't want to be the backup on a team he believed he should be starting for.

He's coming in here as the 3rd string guy. he knows his role. If he gets called, Ive got loads more confidence in him than I have had in many of our past 3rd string guys. Alex Brink anyoen?
 
When names like Steve Young, Kenny Stabler, Boomer Esiasonim Zorn even Michael Vick are brought up, I have to point out that all of these QBs were known for their superior "scrambling" abilities. Stabler earned his nickname “The Snake” for his running and scrambling ability while in high school and strongly carried his tradition into the NFL.

I have a difficult time of putting Leinart next to these names. And if the whole point of this acquisition is to have someone that can improve our backup status, why are we talking about seeing if we can improve his sultry reputation during the year so that he can bolster his value, inevitably for another team next year. THIS year is what is most important for our 1st playoff spot ever. So now we're going to work on a QB's attitude problems and poor preparation habits, while trying to teach him OUR system.........and all this, with no benefit of OTA, TC or preseason experience............oh, unless he is thrown into a real game for the first time if the unthinkable......... Schaub goes down.

If he simply, as someone else aluded to "pulls a Lohan" with a successful good boy act (which certainly leaves more than some doubt), I hope no one is under the grand delusion that Leinart won't take the 1st train out of Houston given the opportunity to start somewhere else come next spring. If he can pull off a "quiet" season, there will be some "sucker" team that thinks that once he gets back into a starter's spotlight, he won't revert back to his old "I'm entitled" act.

Of course, this is JMHO.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
When names like Steve Young, Kenny Stabler, Boomer Esiason, and even Michael Vick are brought up, I have to point out that all of these QBs were known for their superior "scrambling" abilities. Stabler earned his nickname “The Snake” for his running and scrambling ability while in high school and strongly carried his tradition into the NFL.

I have a difficult time of putting Leinart next to these names. And if the whole point of this acquisition is to have someone that can improve our backup status, why are we talking about seeing if we can improve his sultry reputation during the year so that he can bolster his value, inevitably for another team next year. THIS year is what is most important for our 1st playoff spot ever. So now we're going to work on a QB's attitude problems and poor preparation habits, while trying to teach him OUR system.........and all this, with no benefit of OTA, TC or preseason experience............oh, unless he is thrown into a real game for the first time if the unthinkable......... Schaub goes down.

If he simply, as someone else aluded to "pulls a Lohan" with a successful good boy act (which certainly leaves more than some doubt), I hope no one is under the grand delusion that Leinart won't take the 1st train out of Houston given the opportunity to start somewhere else come next spring. If he can pull off a "quiet" season, there will be some "sucker" team that thinks that once he gets back into a starter's spotlight, he won't revert back to his old "I'm entitled" act.

Of course, this is JMHO.
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That was me with the Lohan reference, and the rest of your analysis is exactly what I stated earlier. And it WILL end up happening.

He knew he had zero chance to go somewhere and be a starter. So he buries himself on a team that's looks very good. A team that has enough talent to drag him over the finish line if he ever has to come in and wing it.

Hell, the fact that it's a one-year contract indicates (a) Matt Leinart is making no big secret that he won't sit behind a starter for longer than a year, and (b) that Kubiak also knows this to be the case.

It's a one-year bromance.

Just having to look at his smug face on the sideline is what makes me the angriest, to tell everyone the truth about how I feel. It's a non-signing in my opinion. It's like working somewhere and the boss introduces you to Hank, a guy who just got out of prison and has to work with you as part of a rehabilitation plan that your boss enrolled into. You know the guy is just sandbagging it, and yet there's nothing you can do about it but smile and act like you're cool with it.

And I'd rather have Orlovsky than Leinart. It's the difference between a pimple and a full-blown ingrown hair on your ass. You hate 'em both, but one is easier to deal with than the other.
 
The USC 2006 draft class looks weaker by the day :)

In a year or two, we could end up with a load of the top 10 2006 class on our team

I was part of the Leinart or D'Brickshaw crowd in 06. Ouch
 
thunderkyss said:
I would bet Kubiak & Knapp & Smith all looked at Lienart the third week of the preseason, when he was unseated as the starter. I bet they looked at game film from way back, probably even back to his USC days.

I bet they identified issues, and discussed whether those issues could be fixed or not, lastly I bet they talked to Frank Bush at least, to find out what he thought of Matt as a pro, and if he liked him as a football player.
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I agree with you. Kubiak, Dennison and Knapp probably saw something they liked and could fix. Perhaps they saw somebody who was a better player than what we currently have in Danny-O.

So, are they going to do a press conference today?
 
Matt Leinart not a bad idea for Texans
Gary Kubiak is a capable quarterback developer.

Much of Matt Schaub’s success is thanks to his Kubiak’s mentoring. Say what you will about Sage Rosenfels, but he was a more valuable quarterback when the Texans dealt him away than when they got him. Rex Grossman’s year in Houston allowed him to revive his career as a backup and move on to Washington.

Dan Orlovsky, however, has been a dud. We hear from Kubiak about what a good camp he’s had and how a couple really bad decisions in preseason games aren’t enough to wash it away. But the fact is, as with the vast majority of teams, if the starter goes down the Texans are in trouble.

Enter Matt Leinart.

He won't cure anything now for the Texans -- he needs rebuilding. But Kubiak and quarterback coach Greg Knapp can work with Leinart behind the scenes and try "fix" him. I think it starts with a combination confidence and realization of the work that needs to be done, and I think they can do good work in those departments.

Seems to me it's not a particularly risky investment and could have a lot of upside. He surely didn't get big dollars. If they can turn him around, they’ll have a guy to bump Orlovsky down, or off, the depth chart.

If not, they’d have lost only a little money and time.
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Paul Kuharsky


Absolutely makes sense.
 
It doesn't make a difference to me. We're not asking the guy to come in and compete for a starting spot. If he pans out as a decent back-up, so be it. If not, adios. No harm, no foul. If we're able to bring him along though, then sign him to an extension, we may be able to have some trade bait to dangle out there next season or the one after. You never know, but if we could turn him around, we may be able to get a 2nd or 3rd for him. It's a longshot, but you never know what will happen down the road. I don't want him starting here, but he may be our Shaub to someone else, you just can't tell. Regardless, I still think we need to address our #2 QB next offseason. Preferably a righty, so nothing has to be changed with the line.
 
No harm , no foul? I like to have confidence in the ability for my backup QB to come in and perform just in CASE my starter gets hurt. I know he's going to be a third-stringer (to start out with) and Orallove-sky sucks too (pun intended) but, ah I don't know man.

It's definitely important.
 
He's already in the Texans media guide. Man, that was quick!

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I bet he throws a better party than Manning or Montana.



I bet he finds his way down to Treasures soon after landing in Houston. Anyone here want to be his guide?
 
Geez I still can't believe Smithiak bought into this.

Is this a wager between Smith and Kubiak? Like the movie "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy? Has to be.

Is it nature or nurture? I hope we never have to find out.
 
This whole thing is like Deja Vu from when Grossman was signed last year. I suspect that it will end up exactly the same as last year as well.
 
Kinda mixed on this decision. I don't think he got a fair shake in AZ mainly b/c he wasn't wisenhunt's guy & wisenhunt never really backed him; even when he tried to appear like he was backing during the offseason this year. Say what you want about that, but that's a big deal for any starting player especially a qb.

At the same time, something had to be done about "Or-lousy", Lienart's work ethic hasn't exactly been stellar, and if your teammates have lost faith in you (or at least it's been reported that Fitzgerald wasn't all that confident in him)...

I liken his situation alot to what happened to Andre Ware in Detroit..
 
Last year, I didn't want Sexy Rexy. This year, I don't want Matt Leinart.

Overall, I guess it doesn't matter except that it means that Dan Orlovsky, a guy I thought had a lot of potential, isn't getting it.

At least we didn't bring in Jamarcus Russell.
 
nut said:
Leinart stinks. Why do we bring in bums like this?
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Because at this stage in the game (a couple of days before the season starts), that's all there is out there.


Seriously I don't understand why people are so critical of this move. We needed another arm, now we have one......there wasn't alot available out there.

If this gets Orlovsky cut, even better. This is a situation that we're just going to have to deal with until next offseason where we can once again, try to find a long term solution to our back up QB spot.

This next draft has alot of QB talent.......I wouldn't mind spending a mid round pick on one to develop.
 
What bothers me about this signing is that we cut a guy in JDB, who, admittedly, was not very good, but at least had a better attitude about being a QB and showed some promise. Why bring in a guy like Leinart when you have a capable guy in JDB who already knows your system and has a better attitude.

The saddest thing is that we're subsidizing this SOB while he comes in here. God knows he doesn't care whether he learns the system or not, he's gonna collect a fat paycheck and he's already set for life.

We should have just passed on him and let the inevitable happen....Leinart's gonna be out of the league next year, why not just let it happen now.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Because at this stage in the game (a couple of days before the season starts), that's all there is out there.


Seriously I don't understand why people are so critical of this move. We needed another arm, now we have one......there wasn't alot available out there.

If this gets Orlovsky cut, even better. This is a situation that we're just going to have to deal with until next offseason where we can try to find a long term solution to our back up QB spot.
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I agree, Super low risk-High reward. If Kubiak does for Leinart what he did for Plummer back int he day, he looks like a genius, if not, he cuts a former Heisman Trophy winning flop at little to no cost....
 
You know whats funny about this whole thread... We fans are debating on the signing of a 3rd String QB instead of starters....

Gotta say, that makes things move a little.....Means the team is pretty solid....
 
hradhak said:
What bothers me about this signing is that we cut a guy in JDB, who, admittedly, was not very good, but at least had a better attitude about being a QB and showed some promise. Why bring in a guy like Leinart when you have a capable guy in JDB who already knows your system and has a better attitude.

The saddest thing is that we're subsidizing this SOB while he comes in here. God knows he doesn't care whether he learns the system or not, he's gonna collect a fat paycheck and he's already set for life.

We should have just passed on him and let the inevitable happen....Leinart's gonna be out of the league next year, why not just let it happen now.
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So now everybody knows everything about Leinart.

People start saying he's lazy and doesn't care about football and then it becomes fact. :rolleyes:

For somebody who doesn't care about football or someone who just wants a "free ride" on another team....he sure wasn't happy about not getting the starting job in Arizona. That doesn't make sense to me, the guy wants a free ride, is lazy, doesn't care about learning the system, but then openly gets upset and makes statements to the press in frustration when he doesn't get the starting job. Sorry, but that sounds like someone who atleast cares a little.

The truth of the matter is we really don't know jack about about where Leinart is right now mentally.
 
BullNation4Life said:
You know whats funny about this whole thread... We fans are debating on the signing of a 3rd String QB instead of starters....

Gotta say, that makes things move a little.....Means the team is pretty solid....
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This is exactly what I have been thinking since the rumors surfaced. Whats next debating which H2O Tech is the best?!?!?!?!?!

:slapfight:
 
Leinart was brought in to AZ as the can't miss franchise guy for a bunch of coin. They shitcan him when they need him this year after paying all that dough. What's wrong with this picture? We always pass on guys that are good because the FO says they ate not boy scouts. If we're going to bring in a jackass why don't we bring in a jerk that can play?
 
Carr Bombed said:
For somebody who doesn't care about football or someone who just wants a "free ride" on another team....he sure wasn't happy about not getting the starting job in Arizona. That doesn't make sense to me, the guy wants a free ride, is lazy, doesn't care about learning the system, but then openly gets upset and makes statements to the press in frustration when he doesn't get the starting job. Sorry, but that sounds like someone who atleast cares a little.

The truth of the matter is we really don't know jack about about where Leinart is right now mentally.
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Of course he was angry about not being "The Guy" in Arizona.

When you're staring down the barrel of the "I just got demoted and replaced by Derrick Anderson" gun, you're going to be upset about it. Because it's a reflection of how bad you suck. It's a wake-up call.

And now we get to be a part of his drama. We've co-signed on Leinart's career.

A lot of us just think it's hilarious, to tell you the truth. There's players who show flashes of promise. Do you really sense that in Leinart? Or is it the allure of his college years and that maybe he's not as bad as he has shown?

Our Plan B for QBs and RBs could cost us this year. It really could. All the tight ends and WRs in the world cannot counter a shaky backup QB and RB situation. I'm just nowhere near the idea that Leinart is an acceptable backup in this league.

What's also funny is that several teams are ridding themselves of guys you'd never think would be cut this soon in their careers: Houshmanzadeh, Leinart, etc. I've seen a lot of guys hit the curb and yet other teams can't control themselves from scooping them up off waivers. It's like fantasy football: "Ooh! Someone let HIM go? Oh man, this is waiver wire heaven right here!!!"

Nobody could work out a trade for him, not even a 7th rounder. Wouldn't you take at least a 7th rounder rather than get nothing at all? And we seem to have been bidding against only one other team. Maybe even against ourselves the whole time.

It's bizarre, and a lot of fans feel that way. Not just me.
 
nut said:
Leinart was brought in to AZ as the can't miss franchise guy for a bunch of coin. They shitcan him when they need him this year after paying all that dough. What's wrong with this picture? We always pass on guys that are good because the FO says they ate not boy scouts. If we're going to bring in a jackass why don't we bring in a jerk that can play?
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Like Cedric Benson?

Larry Johnson?

Thomas Jones?

LT? Though he's not remotely a "jackass."

One does wonder why certain guys get a pass and others are not even a blip on our radar.
 
Mr teX said:
Lienart's work ethic hasn't exactly been stellar....
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This throws up the biggest question mark to me. We know what a stickler Kubiak is for players "acting" like a pro, and putting in the work.

If the rumors about Matt's work ethic is true, why would he bring him in for a 1 year deal? why would he bring him in at all?
 
GP said:
Of course he was angry about not being "The Guy" in Arizona.

When you're staring down the barrel of the "I just got demoted and replaced by Derrick Anderson" gun, you're going to be upset about it. Because it's a reflection of how bad you suck. It's a wake-up call.

And now we get to be a part of his drama. We've co-signed on Leinart's career.

A lot of us just think it's hilarious, to tell you the truth. There's players who show flashes of promise. Do you really sense that in Leinart? Or is it the allure of his college years and that maybe he's not as bad as he has shown?

Our Plan B for QBs and RBs could cost us this year. It really could. All the tight ends and WRs in the world cannot counter a shaky backup QB and RB situation. I'm just nowhere near the idea that Leinart is an acceptable backup in this league.

What's also funny is that several teams are ridding themselves of guys you'd never think would be cut this soon in their careers: Houshmanzadeh, Leinart, etc. I've seen a lot of guys hit the curb and yet other teams can't control themselves from scooping them up off waivers. It's like fantasy football: "Ooh! Someone let HIM go? Oh man, this is waiver wire heaven right here!!!"

Nobody could work out a trade for him, not even a 7th rounder. Wouldn't you take at least a 7th rounder rather than get nothing at all? And we seem to have been bidding against only one other team. Maybe even against ourselves the whole time.

It's bizarre, and a lot of fans feel that way. Not just me.
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That usually happens when new coaches come in (Whisenhunt and Carroll)..they get rid of the players they feel don't fit what they want to do.


And I also think you got misinterpreted my view on Leinart.......in no way shape or form do I think he's the "answer". We don't have the answer on roster, which is why I want them to draft a guy next season.
 
GP said:
Like Cedric Benson?

Larry Johnson?

Thomas Jones?

LT? Though he's not remotely a "jackass."

One does wonder why certain guys get a pass and others are not even a blip on our radar.
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Or dare I say...Vince Young. Alot of people mentioned the race card before and quickly got thrown under the bus.

I believe however, that this was a marketing thing though. You see what kind of media Brian Cushing got you, now Leinhart is on your team and ESPN talks about you a bit more.

As for the signing, I got a wait and see feel to this. Something tells me that Leinhart was a Dennis Green draft pick and Wisenhunt didn't want him any more. I've also seen that Leinhart has had the team in several winning positions but their D couldn't hold anyone off (ex. The Bears Game aka Dennis Green They Are Who We Thought They Were and last year against Tennessee.)

So we know we got a backup that has played before.
 
gp said:
of course he was angry about not being "the guy" in arizona.

When you're staring down the barrel of the "i just got demoted and replaced by derrick anderson" gun, you're going to be upset about it. Because it's a reflection of how bad you suck. It's a wake-up call.

And now we get to be a part of his drama. We've co-signed on leinart's career.

A lot of us just think it's hilarious, to tell you the truth. There's players who show flashes of promise. Do you really sense that in leinart? Or is it the allure of his college years and that maybe he's not as bad as he has shown?

Our plan b for qbs and rbs could cost us this year. It really could. All the tight ends and wrs in the world cannot counter a shaky backup qb and rb situation. I'm just nowhere near the idea that leinart is an acceptable backup in this league.

What's also funny is that several teams are ridding themselves of guys you'd never think would be cut this soon in their careers: Houshmanzadeh, leinart, etc. I've seen a lot of guys hit the curb and yet other teams can't control themselves from scooping them up off waivers. It's like fantasy football: "ooh! Someone let him go? Oh man, this is waiver wire heaven right here!!!"

nobody could work out a trade for him, not even a 7th rounder. Wouldn't you take at least a 7th rounder rather than get nothing at all? And we seem to have been bidding against only one other team. Maybe even against ourselves the whole time.

It's bizarre, and a lot of fans feel that way. Not just me.
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^^^^^^^^^^^this
 
GP said:
Like Cedric Benson?

Larry Johnson?

Thomas Jones?

LT? Though he's not remotely a "jackass."

One does wonder why certain guys get a pass and others are not even a blip on our radar.
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What about Bernard Pollard?

And I think the reason why they passed on Jones and LT was because they've been burned way too many times with older RBs.
 
Carr Bombed said:
And I think the reason why they passed on Jones and LT was because they've been burned way too many times with older RBs.
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Makes sense with LT, he's been hurt so often in his career.

But Thomas Jones just gets better with age. He's not the big play maker, but rather Mr. Consistent. He'll get you 1000 yards, and he'll get those tough yards.

But hey, we've got Derrick Ward. He's broke a thousand yards once in his short career.
 
First of all, every team's "plan b" can cost them at any position depending on who it is. The colts lived with Jim Sorgi as a back-up for years & now have Curtis Painter. You think Chase McDaniel is gonna run that Saints offense like Brees can?

From what i've seen of the kid, he doesn't do anything eye-popping, but he seems to be solid as a decision maker as long as he is protected well enough..unlike Orlovsky. His problems stem from his arm strength being of little league caliber...which he supposedly worked on in the offseason with Carson Palmer. Having said that, that was the knock on schaub & kubes has done a great job with him. If he can fill in for a couple of games here & there & stay away from the Rosencopter/Orlovsky idiotic decisions, he'll be fine for us.

When he started a few games for Green, he didn't look all that bad to me...especially for a rookie. Green gets canned the next year i believe, he is assumed to be the heir apparent but Wisenhunt has other plans & the rest is history. I hjonestly believe wisenhunt wanted to get rid of him from the moment he stepped into AZ & maybe Leinart sensed that.

But its like others have been saying, This signing is a low risk, high reward type deal... but it will only work if he accepts Kubes' tuteledge & his role as a back-up in this league b/c i honestly don't think anyone's gonna give him another shot at becoming a starter.
 
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