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Texans agree to terms with Matt Leinart

Lucky said:
True. But Rosenfels was on the market. And that's what disappoints some of us.
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What sets Rosenfels apart from Orlovsky? Rosenfels, given the chance to start, looked a lot like Orlovsky. Look great for 8 passes, then make a terrible mistake that costs us the game...

We are viewing Rosenfels' time here with us with rose colored glasses. His first year when he stepped in, he looked great. The second year, not so much.
 
Lucky said:
True. But Rosenfels was on the market. And that's what disappoints some of us.
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I'm probably more dispassionate about this acquisition than I am about Jamar Wall and David Nixon. I'm actually still reeling from the loss of Steve Maneri. So, clearly I have my own issues. As a result of my insanity, though, I think I have a unique perspective on what the signing does indicate. Here's our story:

It is now being reported by Adam Schefter, John McClain, and others that the Texans have agreed to terms with Matt Leinart. After all the dust settles from the last two days of roster moves, including the signings of David Nixon and Jamar Wall, the Texans 53rd roster spot entering week one is Matt “Hot Tub” Leinart. Strange.

I can’t help but think that Matt Leinart doesn’t fit with the kind of football player the Houston Texans have been collecting the past few years. So, why am I not alarmed? Perhaps I was content with the roster when it was at 52. I certainly don’t see Matt Leinart as a threat to Matt Schaub. Plus, I think I get this move. It doesn’t cost the Texans anything other than bad hot tub jokes. Gary Kubiak, for an NFL head coach, is a remarkably humble man. However, he is arrogant about his ability to coach QBs. He thought he could repair David Carr and turn him into the franchise QB.

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MojoMan said:
Finding a backup QB can be like shopping for clothes at an outlet store. You have to be willing to be patient and sort through a number of options in order to hopefully find one item that you really like - if you are lucky!

So, that is what the Texans are doing right now with their backup QB position. After the top 32 QB's in the league, what is left are not the most stylish options. So, they Texans are rifling through the prospects trying to find a keeper. Maybe that could still turn out to be Orlovsky. Or, maybe that is Leinart. Or, maybe it is not either of these two guys. If neither is a keeper, then they will just keep looking and muddle by the best they can, just like almost every other team in the NFL.
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A down and out person finding a $2000 suit with the tags still on it doesn't usually work well for either.:tiphat:
 
Houston_Fanatic said:
Uhhh.... hardly anyone here knows the players on a personal level. The players are judged by their performance on the field, what they say to the media and their actions. Nearly everything said about Leinart fits into one of those 3 categories.

And we hope to NOT give the guy a chance this year, thankyouverymuch.
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That's my whole point regarding the media and coverage of celebrities, but thanks.

We haven't seen enough of Leinart to judge his on field performance. A young QB is going to make mistakes. He really hasn't had a chance to show what he can do on the field.
 
Lucky said:
True. But Rosenfels was on the market. And that's what disappoints some of us.
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Not sure why so many people wanted Sage.

Yeah he had shown that he was capable of doing some good things. He had also shown he was capable of monumental brain failures. He lost games for us that we should have/could have won.

I'd rather have a back-up that knows they're a back-up and not some guy on a constant quest to prove they should be a starter.

As of right now, both Leinart and DanO know they are nothing but back-ups here. Maybe Sage has changed, but I'll pass on the bad Karma.
 
dream_team said:
How do you know the Texans didn't try to get him? Or maybe he burned some bridges on his way out?
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That too..

Maybe the Giants just gave up more for him than what the Texans offered. I hope they didn't offer anything though. Let him go on with his career.
 
Matt Leinart was brought in to finally settle the debate!!!

Who is the best WR in the NFL? Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald?

Andre Johnson was a pro bowler under 1st round bust David Carr while other top WRs such as Steve Smith disappeared when ocho stinko took the field.

The Cardinals were so afraid Larry Fitzgerald would be rendered ineffective by Leinart's play that they cut him outright and let David freaking Anderson be their QB.

Hopefully the evidence is rendered inconclusive because Schaub stays healthy. I don't know if the rest of the Houston passing offense would be able to function at superstar capacity with Leinart at QB and I don't want to find out. But I do know that AJ will percevere no matter who is playing QB!!!
 
Revolution said:
That's my whole point regarding the media and coverage of celebrities, but thanks.

We haven't seen enough of Leinart to judge his on field performance. A young QB is going to make mistakes. He really hasn't had a chance to show what he can do on the field.
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He's had 11 starts. He clearly was outplayed by Derek Anderson this year/preseason for the Cardinals....



OTOH, meh, he'll be the third behind DanO.... No blood, no foul!
 
ESPN blogger Paul Kuharsky's take on the Leinart signing:

Gary Kubiak is a capable quarterback developer.

Much of Matt Schaub’s success is thanks to his Kubiak’s mentoring. Say what you will about Sage Rosenfels, but he was a more valuable quarterback when the Texans dealt him away than when they got him. Rex Grossman’s year in Houston allowed him to revive his career as a backup and move on to Washington.

Dan Orlovsky, however, has been a dud. We hear from Kubiak about what a good camp he’s had and how a couple really bad decisions in preseason games aren’t enough to wash it away. But the fact is, as with the vast majority of teams, if the starter goes down the Texans are in trouble.

Enter Matt Leinart.

He won't cure anything now for the Texans -- he needs rebuilding. But Kubiak and quarterback coach Greg Knapp can work with Leinart behind the scenes and try "fix" him. I think it starts with a combination confidence and realization of the work that needs to be done, and I think they can do good work in those departments.

Seems to me it's not a particularly risky investment and could have a lot of upside. He surely didn't get big dollars. If they can turn him around, they’ll have a guy to bump Orlovsky down, or off, the depth chart.

If not, they’d have lost only a little money and time.
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If the Texans had picked up Leinart prior to OTAs & camp, this would make sense. But, how much development can Kubiak & Knapp accomplish during the season? And Leinart has just a one year contract.
 
Austrian said:
Meh, I won't get all worked up about a 3rd stringer. I think it was a decent move. Perhaps he could be better in our offense, where arm strength isn't as important as is Arizona's offense. If it doesn't work out, just cut him.
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Agreed. There is much more to be concerned with than a one-year flyer on a former Heisman winner that will fill the role of 3rd string QB.

It seems like Orlovsky will still be the 2nd horse out of the stable which is just as, if not more, concerning as the Leinhart deal
 
Revolution said:
What sets Rosenfels apart from Orlovsky? Rosenfels, given the chance to start, looked a lot like Orlovsky.
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That's absurd. Rosenfels was 6-6 as a starter here. He proved that he could hold the fort if Schaub went out for a few games. Orlovsky's a train wreck.
 
Orlovsky's still got better career numbers than Leinart. If he's been a train wreck how bad has Matty been so far?
 
Lucky said:
That's absurd. Rosenfels was 6-6 as a starter here. He proved that he could hold the fort if Schaub went out for a few games. Orlovsky's a train wreck.
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You don't know what Orlovsky would do with the first team (I don't want to find out). Rosenfels was a disaster his last year here with us. He couldn't even beat out Tavaris Jackson for second string in Minnesota. What does that tell you?

Hey he is now the backup in NY, holding the same clipboard that David Carr did last year. Congrats to him.

That being said, I don't want to be the one who rails on Rosenfels. I know when he steps on the field, he gives everything he has to the team.
 
Revolution said:
You don't know what Orlovsky would do with the first team (I don't want to find out).
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I know what he can do with the 2nd team vs the opposition's 2nd team. I know that even Kubiak doesn't believe in Orlovsky, at this point. What I don't know is why Kubiak couldn't see this earlier in the offseason or preseason, and bring in a decent vet QB as a backup.
 
Was there no one else even worth taking a look at besides Leinart??? Seems like we jumped on Leinart pretty fast........
 
Lucky said:
ESPN blogger Paul Kuharsky's take on the Leinart signing:


If the Texans had picked up Leinart prior to OTAs & camp, this would make sense. But, how much development can Kubiak & Knapp accomplish during the season? And Leinart has just a one year contract.
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Let me expand on your post...if I may,

Leinart is not looking to "fix" his QB issues.

He's doing a Lohan here. He's giving the appearance of trying to fix things, but it's all a show. Leinart is not here for us. He's here for HIM. He's embarrassed that he got cut, he's embarrassed that he took a one-year contract (which is the same as saying to him "Dude, you suck and might not even be a part of our team after this season"), and he knows he's low man on the totem pole. He's behind Dan Orlovsky. Dan. Orlovsky.

So what is he going to do? He's going to try and lay low. He's going to sit back and give THE APPEARANCE that he's in it to win it. He'll do what's asked of him, for sure, but this is what's in the back of his head: "This is just like rehab. Gotta' do it, stick it out, and then bust out of this joint after this year."

He's going to sit with us for one year, then use us as a way to try and get a better gig on another team. Houston is the girl you use in order to get to the girl you really want to go out with. Period.

He's an ass hat in my opinion. Don't know anything about him except that he has an entitlement mentality about him. You don't change your stripes that easily the older you get. I don't see him doing us a damn bit of good. If he's under a 1-year contract, then how the hell can we trade him for something even IF he gets better?

Yeah, I understand not freaking out about Leinart as 3rd string QB. It's just the fact that out of 31 teams out there it was the Texans that picked up this piece of crap Lohan-type QB. Awesome.
 
Texan_Bill said:
5 of those starts were his rookie season. He's had 6 since then. Kinda like Sage 2.0...
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Actually, he has 17 starts, 11 in his rookie season, 6 since. I am not a Leinart fan by the way. I'm just willing to give him a chance. I don't really see any better alternatives out there. Not a big fan of JDB, Orlavsky or Rosenfels...
 
My take on Matt Leinart: Being a tu longhorn hater, I was a big fan of Leinart in 2004 and 2005. I remember the guy being a winner, doing what it took to win a game. He was incredibly accurate (like Matt Schaub), he wasn't known for having a big arm (like Matt Schaub), maybe he needs a mentor who really knows how to bring out the best in a QB and an offense (like Matt Schaub).

Being a high draft pick, annointed the best without ever having to prove one's self, can be very difficult. Big paychecks, hot women, fast cars, fast lifestyle, these things have been the downfall of many pro athletes. Sometimes a man has to be humbled a little. Getting released and having to sign a deal as the 3rd QB behind Dan O could be a humbling experience.

In a perfect world, our backup QB's will only see action this year in the 4th quarter as we blowout many opponents. But the unthinkable could happen. If we needed a QB to come in, I think I would rather have someone who was a winner on a big stage in the past (Leinart), over someone who ran out of the back of the endzone. I say give him a chance and see what happens. He's not here to be our savior. He's not here to bring our team up to a respectable level. He's here to learn, fill in if needed, and support the team.
 
Dishman said:
Agreed. There is much more to be concerned with than a one-year flyer on a former Heisman winner that will fill the role of 3rd string QB.

It seems like Orlovsky will still be the 2nd horse out of the stable which is just as, if not more, concerning as the Leinhart deal
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And I agree on your agree. If Schaub goes down we are screwed just like most NFL teams in the NFL would if they lose their starter. 2nd and 3rd stringers are not going to get us to the promise land. period. So it all comes out in the wash imo and most likely or hopefully we never speak of these two guys again for a while.
 
BSofA04 said:
So in the end, we got 2 top-10 picks in the 2006 NFL draft :hides:
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So far the 2006 draft has netted Mario,DeMeco,Pollard(from KC of course),Winston,Daniels,Anderson, and now Leinart. If Lienart works out like the last person cut from the 2006 draft that we picked up(Pollard) we will have added more depth to our deepest roster in our history.



I like the news! It's good!
 
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I don't know what to think about the pick up. I am not a Leinart guy. I think the 06 draft is looking like it was more about the hype on QB's instead of the real deal like in 02 when we drafted mittens. At that time most of the talking heads thought we made a sound choice. Oh well it looks like 4 years later we still ende up with a better QB than the ICOU did from that draft.
 
Brando said:
So far the 2006 draft has netted Mario,DeMeco,Pollard(from KC of course),Winston,Daniels,Anderson, and now Leinart. If Lienart works out like the last person cut from the 2006 draft that we picked up(Pollard) we will have added more depth to our deepest roster in our history.



I like the news! It's good!
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Hey don't forget the great Wali Lundy!
 
Pollardized said:
My take on Matt Leinart: Being a tu longhorn hater, I was a big fan of Leinart in 2004 and 2005. I remember the guy being a winner, doing what it took to win a game. He was incredibly accurate (like Matt Schaub), he wasn't known for having a big arm (like Matt Schaub), maybe he needs a mentor who really knows how to bring out the best in a QB and an offense (like Matt Schaub).

Being a high draft pick, annointed the best without ever having to prove one's self, can be very difficult. Big paychecks, hot women, fast cars, fast lifestyle, these things have been the downfall of many pro athletes. Sometimes a man has to be humbled a little. Getting released and having to sign a deal as the 3rd QB behind Dan O could be a humbling experience.

In a perfect world, our backup QB's will only see action this year in the 4th quarter as we blowout many opponents. But the unthinkable could happen. If we needed a QB to come in, I think I would rather have someone who was a winner on a big stage in the past (Leinart), over someone who ran out of the back of the endzone. I say give him a chance and see what happens. He's not here to be our savior. He's not here to bring our team up to a respectable level. He's here to learn, fill in if needed, and support the team.
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Not worth much, but this is my take on it as well. Genuine humility can be quite the motivator.

Eagerly awaiting the Colts and opening day! :texflag:
 
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It will be interesting to see how he reacts. Like you said sometimes change can be good. He now must realize or better realize that he must take his game to a higher level to be a starting NFL qb. He has to rebuild himself, everything from his "laid back attitude" to greatly improving his overall passing game. Getting back quicker, reading the defenses quicker, getting the ball out on time quicker. He certainly knows how to check down, but now he can watch another guy in Schaub that knows how to aggressive attack a defense with the mid-range to deep passing game. If we see him standing on the sidelines this year with that same detached (I am too cool) look, we will know he doesn't get it or ever will. Let's see some energy out of him even if it is just as the backup. How he greets other players coming off the field, etc.
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http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=51288
 
I don't care for this, but I'm not going get upset over it other than to say I didn't want him here. At this time of the season getting a 2nd or 3rd QB is difficult anyway.

What I don't like about him is he's a leftie and he brings his baggage with him. Remember how we laughed at Carolina for signing our former 1st round pick QB? Arizona is probably laughing their ass of at us right now.

In fact, I'm wondering what they are say on their BBS about it. I think I'll go check it out.
 
I've seen a couple of comments in this thread about Matt #2 being left-handed. I can see this being a real problem if Matt #1 goes down with an injury.

The offensive line has to think differently. The receivers may have to do things differently.

I wish Kubiak would have called me first to discuss this deal in more detail before signing Matt #2. I have some real concerns.
 
You know this may just be a strategic move. They had the roster space and if someone were to lose the starting qb early, the Texans have a former Heisman winner as trade bait.
 
Pollardized said:
My take on Matt Leinart: Being a tu longhorn hater, I was a big fan of Leinart in 2004 and 2005. I remember the guy being a winner, doing what it took to win a game. He was incredibly accurate (like Matt Schaub), he wasn't known for having a big arm (like Matt Schaub), maybe he needs a mentor who really knows how to bring out the best in a QB and an offense (like Matt Schaub).

Being a high draft pick, annointed the best without ever having to prove one's self, can be very difficult. Big paychecks, hot women, fast cars, fast lifestyle, these things have been the downfall of many pro athletes. Sometimes a man has to be humbled a little. Getting released and having to sign a deal as the 3rd QB behind Dan O could be a humbling experience.

In a perfect world, our backup QB's will only see action this year in the 4th quarter as we blowout many opponents. But the unthinkable could happen. If we needed a QB to come in, I think I would rather have someone who was a winner on a big stage in the past (Leinart), over someone who ran out of the back of the endzone. I say give him a chance and see what happens. He's not here to be our savior. He's not here to bring our team up to a respectable level. He's here to learn, fill in if needed, and support the team.
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Of all the takes, spins, analogies and opinions expressed thus far Mr. Pollardized, I think, has hit the nail on the head. I couldn't have expressed my opinion as well. :tiphat:
 
Here's some quotes from the Arizona board I found interesting.

I wouldn't doubt for a second that ML had options. You can call it humility if you want. Seems like a poor decision to me though, there a dozen clubs he could have signed with where there might be a glimmer of hope of starting. Houston is not one of those places though. Schaub is a monster.
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Well, its all about being a team player. Schaub can provide the injury. Matt the poor QB play.
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Great signing! Matt Leinart can hold a clip board and wear an ear piece like no other!
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I think it was a very mature decision on Leinart's part. It shows that he has the humility that many people claim he lacks. He could do a lot worse than work with Gary Kubiak, a former qb himself. At least Kubiak will not allow the team to decide whether they are going to give their 100% if they do or don't 'connect' with their qb. I think he'll do just fine
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Corrosion said:
Too many negatives and not much upside with Leinhart .... We've seen his body of work on an NFL field , he just doesnt have the want to.
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Agreed

But he's still better than Dan O. Which is sad.

Let Kubes work with him and lets see if he improves.

I think he lacks mobility and arm strength to be a starter but will be fine as a backup.
 
Wow. Ok, everyone has seen him play right..........

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Yeah, I know if Schaub goes down we are screwed anyway...blah, blah, blah....but seriously....we've seen him play right....fail!

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However it is fun to see the excuses he is now given now that he is putting on a Houston uniform and how there is "potential" for him possibly. Sounds like another QB we once had, didn't Kubes try this once?? I like Kubes but there is something about making the same blunder twice. Yes, I realize we are talking about a backup, I get it, but Matt has been in the league for sometime now so yes, it is very similar to the situation we had with Mittens before we finally cut the cord...sorry.

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