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Texans acquire veteran quarterback Cody Pickett

TwinSisters said:
O yeah man... that was something else. That Chicago game... HOLY crap that was bad!

I remember trying to see if that was an NFL record... and I don't think it was, but it was close. I remember there being some debate about what the number of attempts would have to be to make it a qualifer!

Although I have to say... the wind was blowing REALLY hard that day. I am serious it was like 20 knots or something.
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DallasNiner said:
The wind was blowing hard...but as a pro-level QB you kind of expect him to adjust. The other QB did.
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The kickers couldn't even kick a field goal where the ball would stay within the sidelines.

That day was one of the worsts for wind from the clips I saw. He may stink, but that day looked like it would have been difficult for any All-Pro QB to handle. If I remember, the Chicago QB had a tough time too, but I think Chicago had running game to rely on.
 
DallasNiner said:
Although we do have some goober fans that'll tell you he's the next coming of Randall Cunningham or a Mini-Jake Plummer :francis: :homer:
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Well Frisco, It's usually a wise thing not to take candy or words from a stranger... but I can tell you that I have seen a lot of Cody Pickett and he hasn't really had the best environment to develop in.

Take the change the mechanics story: There are schools of thought that you should never mess with the mechanics of a QB's arm; see Young/Kosar. I am with them. And if you don't want to take my word for it... you can Montana's. Who calls Kosar one of the most accurate QBs in the history of the modern NFL ( which I do not contest ).

I personally think Pickett is done for as a QB. But for the Texans, he has a fire that I am familiar with... so I am going to hang my hat on that until something better blows along.

And that Chicago game - Wind gusts upto 47 Mph

Orton was 8-14 on 4.8 yard passes... So ya know that's a short pass. BUT you are right that Pickett should have been able to do something. Call some shovel passes just so you don't feel so bad at the end of the day.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20051113_SF@CHI
 
TwinSisters said:
Well Frisco, It's usually a wise thing not to take candy or words from a stranger... but I can tell you that I have seen a lot of Cody Pickett and he hasn't really had the best environment to develop in.

Take the change the mechanics story: There are schools of thought that you should never mess with the mechanics of a QB arm; see Young/Kosar. I am with them. And if you don't want to take my word for it... you can Montana's. Who calls Kosar one of the most accurate QBs in the history of the modern NFL ( which I do not contest ).

I personally think Pickett is done for as a QB. But for the Texans, he has a fire that I am familiar with... so I am going to hang my hat on that until something better blows along.

And that Chicago game - Wind gusts upto 47 Mph

Orton was 8-14 on 4.8 yard passes... So ya know that's a short pass. BUT you are right that Pickett should have been able to do something. Call some shovel passes just so you don't feel so bad at the end of the day.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20051113_SF@CHI
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No doubt he hasn't had the best situation to develop in. I wish him well...maybe he'll get more of a chance here then he would've with our team...Only time will tell...I just don't think he's set to be an NFL QB.
 
TwinSisters said:
Well Frisco, It's usually a wise thing not to take candy or words from a stranger... but I can tell you that I have seen a lot of Cody Pickett and he hasn't really had the best environment to develop in.
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This is hilarious. On the 9ers board there are fans trumpeting the signing of Jerry Deloach and are telling me how good he is. Now on the Texans board we have Texans fans stating how good Pickett is.

you can't make this kind of stuff up.
 
DallasNiner said:
No doubt he hasn't had the best situation to develop in. I wish him well...maybe he'll get more of a chance here then he would've with our team...Only time will tell...I just don't think he's set to be an NFL QB.
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he isn't even an NFLE QB.....but he's one heck of a rodeo clown...or cowboy...either way he's tough...

OH...HI Vinny
 
Vinny said:
This is hilarious. On the 9ers board there are fans trumpeting the signing of Jerry Deloach and are telling me how good he is. Now on the Texans board we have Texans fans stating how good Pickett is.

you can't make this kind of stuff up.
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HAH!

Finally, some defensive line depth! Good move! DeLoach is an established journeyman 3-4 DE, which is exactly what we needed. Behind Young and Douglas we had nothing beyond a second-day rookie draft pick and a warm body or two. DeLoach does what a 3-4 DE is supposed to do: control blockers and tie up the running lanes. Now Anthony Adams won't have to do double duty between NT and DE, which should keep him fresh.
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Vinny said:
This is hilarious. On the 9ers board there are fans trumpeting the signing of Jerry Deloach and are telling me how good he is. Now on the Texans board we have Texans fans stating how good Pickett is.

you can't make this kind of stuff up.
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Correction. FAN. the Singular usage.

And not really a fan... just hope! faith. love. :heh:
 
Vinny said:
This is hilarious. On the 9ers board there are fans trumpeting the signing of Jerry Deloach and are telling me how good he is. Now on the Texans board we have Texans fans stating how good Pickett is.

you can't make this kind of stuff up.
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I don't think anyone is saying how good Deloach is. Everyone is just excited because he provides much needed depth to the D-Line.

BTW, I think Nolan did a good job getting a draft pick for Pickett who probably wouldn't of even made the team. Overall, i guess Cody is a pretty decent #3 QB
 
Just a nice snapshot of how fans glom to their new players and immediately overvalue them....in a general way of course. I just find it kinda amusing.
 
DallasNiner said:
Well geez wheres the rest of the niner board? :francis:
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Don't worry they will be along shortly. We signed Eric Moulds, so Jerry Rice will be next. Whatever it takes ... we are going to save some face. After we get Jerry in the fold, the boards will be merged.

ehehe
 
Vinny said:
Just a nice snapshot of how fans glom to their new players and immediately overvalue them....in a general way of course. I just find it kinda amusing.
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This is true...except when we signed mike anderson i still feel he's a product of Denver (or kubiak) game planning as opposed to him having any actual talent


PROVE ME WRONG MIKE PROVE ME WRONG...
 
TwinSisters said:
Ask yourself why would a coach want to move a QB to WR if he could not show some type of speed or in the very least some type of mobility?
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I have, and I only come up even more bewildered. There are lots of players that mave speed and mobility, but they'll never be able to play WR because it takes much more than that to be an NFL receiver like catching the ball, taking a hit and holding onto the ball, running good routes and list goes on.
You don't give up even a 7th round pick for some one who "dabbled" in ST coverage (note: not receiving punts or kicks. but coverage) or a player thinking of "on the fly" conversion to a WR position without a significantly realistic or historical basis to think that (I can't remember a QB which without preNFL experience "converted" successfully the NFL).........and on top of that a 3rd string QB whose performance on a last place team led to his being essentially told that he didn't have what it takes for that position.

Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting...........and watching for the logic of this acquisition.
 
DallasNiner said:
In all honesty Pickett is Joe Montana and Jerry Rice in one I heard he can kick as well...kinda like Morton Andersen :stirpot:
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i thought he was more like the white michael vick except that he's a more accurate passer...
 
DallasNiner said:
In all honesty Pickett is Joe Montana and Jerry Rice in one I heard he can kick as well...kinda like Morton Andersen :stirpot:
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A keen mind, sharp eyes, and good judgement. Must be cuttin your beans with Rice-a-roni.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have, and I only come up even more bewildered. There are lots of players that mave speed and mobility, but they'll never be able to play WR because it takes much more than that to be an NFL receiver like catching the ball, taking a hit and holding onto the ball, running good routes and list goes on.
You don't give up even a 7th round pick for some one who "dabbled" in ST coverage (note: not receiving punts or kicks. but coverage) or a player thinking of "on the fly" conversion to a WR position without a significantly realistic or historical basis to think that (I can't remember a QB which without preNFL experience "converted" successfully the NFL).........and on top of that a 3rd string QB whose performance on a last place team led to his being essentially told that he didn't have what it takes for that position.

Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting...........and watching for the logic of this acquisition.
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i won't compare Pickett to any body with Talent but i don't recall Antwan having a history of playing WR prior to doing so in the nfl same with Kordell...they played their entire careers in college (IU and CU) at the QB positions...so there goes your argument...unless you want to redefine successfully converted...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have, and I only come up even more bewildered.
Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting...........and watching for the logic of this acquisition.
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Ok. He never made it to WR. He didn't want to be a WR. The WR part shows you how much speed and mobility he has for a QB.

He is not a great QB.

BUT now ask yourself what you would do if you were Kubiak?

You are going to build a playbook or install a bunch of plays that the 1st team will practice and execute on gamedays. Plays that utilize Carr's mobility.

Carr gets hurt. Sage gets hurt.

You now have to insert a guy that is not going to require you to change up your gameplan that much or reduce your strategic approach to calling plays. You want to keep doing what you had planned to do all week long ( or as much as possible ).

If you have a Bledsoe as your emergency QB, you are not going to be able to use all of those nifty bootlegs and you certainly are not going to waste reps on your 1st team to practice plays just for your 3rd string QB.

I am not talking for Kubiak... he might have other plans or designs ( of several that I can think of ). But picking up a mobile QB, while ditching a less mobile one, makes sense in that scenario.
 
hollywood_texan said:
We cut Ragone, Bengals pick him up and then trade him, and then we make a trade for Pickett.

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I understand waiving Ragone, but we basically traded for virtually the same guy.

Can someone please explain this to me? There must be a finer point and technical issue that I am missing.

Waive Ragone and go naked and the 3rd string QB spot, I thought that was the plan.
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I bet you'd really be upset if you found out we turned down St. Louis when they offered us the draft pick for Ragone. :confused:

However, if the third string QB position is the only place our front office and coaching staff was a little erratic this off-season, I'd say they did a pretty good job.
 
Colts wanted Ragone: Many people were surprised when the St. Louis Rams traded a conditional draft pick to the Bengals for backup quarterback Dave Ragone about a month ago, and then gave him a $100,000 signing bonus to boot. The former Texans backup was brought to Cincinnati earlier this year when the Bengals, Colts and Patriots put in a claim for his services. The Rams reportedly didn't put a waiver claim on him at the time because they didn't want to pay his one-year $721,600 salary. They wanted to negotiate a deal that would have lowered his cap hit if he cleared waivers. When they learned the Bengals were considering waiving him, they asked for permission to work out a two-year deal with Ragone in exchange for a pick as they believed at least the Colts would put in another waiver claim.
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http://colts.scout.com/2/549200.html
July 26

At least Ragone was in demand.

Go figure too because Shatz was pretty high on Sorgi behind Manning.
( plus they picked up Shaun King June 2nd )
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Will make a late correction Pickett would have played WR, if they really wanted him too. BUT he really wanted to play QB and not WR.

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http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/2003/picks/ragone.html

Just for review:
"At almost 250 lbs., he’s no Michael Vick with respect to mobility and avoiding the rush. After having played mainly out of the shotgun in college, Ragone will have improve his footwork."

He is not known for his mobility:

"2003 Expectations: Ragone should battle Mike Quinn for the Texans’ third quarterback spot this year, with an eye towards Tony Banks’ job as David Carr’s backup in the future. Chris Palmer may be able to eventually to develop Ragone to the point where he can be used as trade bait, like Palmer did with mid-rounder Rob Johnson in Jacksonville."

Harharhar. Palmer? Casserly. Nitwits forgot to write that down in the continuity books.
 
Tiz said:
i won't compare Pickett to any body with Talent but i don't recall Antwan having a history of playing WR prior to doing so in the nfl same with Kordell...they played their entire careers in college (IU and CU) at the QB positions...so there goes your argument...unless you want to redefine successfully converted...
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I don't know about Kordell, but I do know that in college Antwan played WR, QB, Punt returner and Punter. When he was in the NFL he was at least a reasonable QB. I'm not out to redefine anything, just trying to work through something that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
 
TwinSisters said:
At least Ragone was in demand.
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St. Louis really wanted him. On the surface it is easy to say, "Ragone was waived or traded twice in a month so he must suck". In reality I think we were watching a young man take control of his career and get to a team where he had a legitimate shot at playing time. He didn't want to be the default third string QB any more. He was with the previous coaches and probably would have been with the new ones after the signing of Sage.

Linehan wanted Ragone and Ragone wanted to play for Linehan. It all worked out to their mutual satisfaction.
 
The are going to turn Cody into a DB so every time the opposition tosses a pass anywhere near him we can all yell "Captain Cody, Pickett off!!!" :homer:
 
TwinSisters said:
Ok. He never made it to WR. He didn't want to be a WR. The WR part shows you how much speed and mobility he has for a QB.

He is not a great QB.

BUT now ask yourself what you would do if you were Kubiak?

You are going to build a playbook or install a bunch of plays that the 1st team will practice and execute on gamedays. Plays that utilize Carr's mobility.

Carr get's hurt. Sage get's hurt.

You now have to insert a guy that is not going to require you to change up your gameplan that much or reduce your strategic approach to calling plays. You want to keep doing what you had planned to do all week long ( as much as possible ).

If you have a Bledsoe as your emergency QB, you are not going to be able to use all of those nifty bootlegs and you certainly are not going to waste reps on your 1st team to practice plays just for your 3rd string QB.

I am not talking for Kubiak... he might have other plans or designs ( of several that I can think of ). But picking up a mobile QB, while ditching a less mobile one, makes sense in that scenario.
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I can almost see where you're coming from, but if the 9s couldn't even feel good enough about his potential at QB or the other positions (he even practiced at safety) to give it a try in preseason...........????? A 3rd QB is usually one that you want to develop while the others do the real job. For that matter, I sand lot played with several of the nonQB Oilers when they were here. You'd be surprised how many could accurately spiral that ball into a target or run that ball like an RB....that just wasn't their true position. But with this guy's passing history, I would almost think that somewhere on our team we would be able to find someone to "crosstrain" from scratch with more potential for success in the event of a temporary stop gap. I guess we'll have to wait on how this "experiment" plays itself out.
 
Runner said:
St. Louis really wanted him. On the surface it is easy to say, "Ragone was waived or traded twice in a month so he must suck". In reality I think we were watching a young man take control of his career and get to a team where he had a legitimate shot at playing time. He didn't want to be the default third string QB any more. He was with the previous coaches and probably would have with the new ones after the signing of Sage.

Linehan wanted Ragone and Ragone wanted to play for Linehan. It all worked out to their mutual satisfaction.
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Letting him go makes sense. Letting him go for free does not. Go figure... I guess we could send an email to Smith and see if he will say anything.

Or maybe getting something for him would have hurt his chances of making it to St.Louis or something like that?? And Smith was like okay... we will let you go for free. That might explain the Colts swooping in on him? Not sure.

The Colt story could be totally bogus though too, I guess. When you see "an divisional rival" in the headlines, it makes you wonder.
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Looking at the Rams:
Quarterback Jeff Smoker was released Tuesday, leaving the Rams with four signal-callers (Marc Bulger, Gus Frerotte, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Dave Ragone) heading into training camp.

I don't know... Fitzpatrick sure can play. :D
 
TwinSisters said:
Letting him go makes sense. Letting him go for free does not. Go figure... I guess we could send an email to Smith and see if he will say anything.

Or maybe getting something for him would have hurt his chances of making it to St.Louis or something like that?? And Smith was like okay... we will let you go for free. That might explain the Colts swooping in on him? Not sure.
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You don't have to send anybody an e-mail - I'm giving you the straight dope. :shades:

I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that St. Louis offered us a draft pick for Ragone on draft day and we turned it down because we planned on keeping him as our third stringer. After things changed, I don't know if the trade with St. Louis was revisited before we waived him or not. It seems that would have been the simplest solution for all.
 
the wonger need food said:
Probably a conditional 7th if he makes the roster.
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just in case anyone is still wondering, KFFL says it is for a conditional draft pick. So basically, if Cody doesn't make the final roster, we will probably not lose a pick.



Texans | Team acquires Pickett from San Francisco
Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:32:44 -0700

The Associated Press reports the Houston Texans have acquired QB Cody Pickett from the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for a conditional draft pick.
 
Runner said:
You don't have to send anybody an e-mail - I'm giving you the straight dope. :shades:

I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that St. Louis offered us a draft pick for Ragone on draft day and we turned it down because we planned on keeping him as our third stringer. After things changed, I don't know if the trade with St. Louis was revisited before we waived him or not. It seems that would have been the simplest solution for all.
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That's the part I am talking about. You could send an email and say, "hey why didn't we shop him for a pick before waiving him." I am slightly kidding though... I guess. I would like to know, but I am not pining for it.

Maybe he didn't really want to go to St.Louis.. maybe he thought the Browns were going to pick him up, so that he could start or something like that..and then that team found someone else and left him hanging. Or the Bengals stepped in before the team he wanted to go to, could claim him for free.

Not sure what the rules are for claiming ... if it's like the one fastest on the buzzer or what.
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Also if you trade a guy you have to eat his signing bonus I think. EDIT: Meaning that might have played into it later after the draft
 
TwinSisters said:
That's the part I am talking about. You could send an email and say, "hey why didn't we shop him for a pick before waiving him." I am slightly kidding though... I guess. I would like to know, but I am not pining for it.

Maybe he didn't really want to go to St.Louis.. maybe he thought the Browns were going to pick him up, so that he could start or something like that..and then that team found someone else and left him hanging. Or the Bengals stepped in before the team he wanted to go to, could claim him for free.

Not sure what the rules are for claiming ... if it's like the one fastest on the buzzer or what.
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Also if you trade a guy you have to eat his signing bonus I think.
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Picking people up off waivers is done in the same order as the draft - worst to first. St. Louis could have claimed him before Cincinnati. Either the Rams screwed up or there were salary cap issues as stated in a previous post. Everything isn't perfectly clear, but we are talking real world here.

The Rams' new coach is Scott Linehan, Ragone's college coach. They both know what they are getting in this deal - and make no mistake, Ragone was very successful under Linehan. I think Rags is exactly where he wants to be.

This is a pretty minor issue as far as the Texans are concerned, but I find the whole thing pretty interesting. I don't think things are anywhere near as straightforward as they initially seemed to us on the board. I think there is a lesson there.
 
Runner said:
Picking people up off waivers is done in the same order as the draft - worst to first. St. Louis could have claimed him before Cincinnati. Either the Rams screwed up or there were salary cap issues as stated in a previous post. Everything isn't perfectly clear, but we are talking real world here.

The Rams' new coach is Scott Linehan, Ragone's college coach. They both know what they are getting in this deal - and make no mistake, Ragone was very successful under Linehan. I think Rags is exactly where he wants to be.

This is a pretty minor issue as far as the Texans are concerned, but I find the whole thing pretty interesting. I don't think things are anywhere near as straightforward as they initially seemed to us on the board. I think there is a lesson there.
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Yeah. That would be not to waste draft picks on guys that don't fit your mold of quarterbacks in the first place. Unless they were farming him for higher picks later... not seeing how you are going to get much better then third for a back-up though. He was the 4th or 5th QB taken in the draft.

Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman, Boller... so 5th I think. And before Chris Simms too.

but hey, " you can never have too many QBs."

We shall see though... Bulger might be one of those medical cases and he could get a start, but I don't see how he would ever dress with him healthy. Bulger is only in his 6th year.
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/STL/9545238

is this wrong? I don't think I understand anymore either.
 
Same thing just happened yesterday with a guy we cut. Just heard that the Steelers picked up Jamaal Lord and then the Steelers traded him to the Cardinals for a 4th rounder. Just kidding. Man, you were getting angry weren't you? Bwaaaa-haaa....:whip:
 
TwinSisters said:
Or the Bengals stepped in before the team he wanted to go to, could claim him for free.
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I think the Bengals picked him up because they'd heard about someone named Ragone who'd knocked over a liquor store. Then they actually talked to him and found out it was a case of mistaken identity so they traded him to the Rams.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have, and I only come up even more bewildered. There are lots of players that mave speed and mobility, but they'll never be able to play WR because it takes much more than that to be an NFL receiver like catching the ball, taking a hit and holding onto the ball, running good routes and list goes on.
You don't give up even a 7th round pick for some one who "dabbled" in ST coverage (note: not receiving punts or kicks. but coverage) or a player thinking of "on the fly" conversion to a WR position without a significantly realistic or historical basis to think that (I can't remember a QB which without preNFL experience "converted" successfully the NFL).........and on top of that a 3rd string QB whose performance on a last place team led to his being essentially told that he didn't have what it takes for that position.

Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting...........and watching for the logic of this acquisition.
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It came to me in a flash. I saw a pizza commercial and thought about the immortal career back-up, "Gueido Merkins". We just signed Giuseppe Slash.
 
So the story goes like this:

"Ragone, 26, played in only two games in his three seasons with the Texans. He started two contests as a rookie, when David Carr was injured, and completed 20 of 40 passes for 135 yards, with one interception. He also rushed for 51 yards on six carries.

But over the past two seasons, Ragone did not appear in a single game, and as a pure, dropback pocket passer, he was probably ill-suited for the offense being installed by Texans first-year coach Gary Kubiak this spring. That offense will require more mobility from the quarterback and movement skills have never been Ragone's strong suit.

On the revamped depth chart, Ragone had been replaced as the No. 3 quarterback by rookie Quinton Porter, an undrafted free agent from Boston College who has impressed the coaches. The Texans earlier in the spring signed former Miami backup Sage Rosenfels to take over the No. 2 spot behind Carr, a job held by veteran Tony Banks the past four seasons.

Ragone was the Texans' third-round choice in the 2003 draft, the 88th player selected that year, following a standout career at Louisville. He signed a three-year, $1.35 million contract that included a signing bonus of $440,000. Then, this year, the Texans retained his rights as a restricted free agent and earlier this month signed him to the one-year qualifying offer of $721,600.

By claiming Ragone on waivers, the Bengals inherit his one-year, $721,600 deal. Barring an extension, Ragone will be eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring. If the Bengals like what they see of him in camp, they likely will attempt to sign Ragone to a longer-term deal."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2456882
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The Bengals did not like what they saw or they saw that Carson Palmer is going to be more then ready and then shopped Ragone around. ( Or the Rams came a knocking )

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"The Rams' depth chart at quarterback got larger when the team acquired Dave Ragone from the Cincinnati Bengals. The Rams will give a seventh-round pick in the 2007 draft to the Texans only if Ragone makes the roster.

The timing of the move is odd considering that Ragone, a former third-round pick of the Houston Texans, was waived by Houston in May and the Rams did not put in a waiver claim at the time. Ragone was claimed by Cincinnati and Indianapolis, and was awarded to the Bengals."
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/STL/9545238


So in the end we get a 7th round pick if Ragone is on the roster.
We give up a 7th round pick if Pickett makes the roster.
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So let's look at the 49ers for a second. Just to see if it will make us any smarter then we already are.

inked Alex Smith #1 overall. Typical Alex Smith conversation starter?
Mr. Obvious: Alex Smith was bad last year.
Voice of Reason: Yeah, but he was a rookie.
Mr. Obvious: Yeah, but he was really bad.
Voice of Reason: Yeah, but he had no help at all. The 49ers were a total wreck last year.
Mr. Obvious: Yeah, but he was really, really bad.
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=94

They signed Trent Dilfer. - everybody should be at least familiar with him.
( and in all honesty, the one bright spot on their roster... If you got a Bulldog on the porch, sunshine, sunshine, sunshine. )

signed 3 year veteran Shaun Hill - back-up to Brad Johnson/Culpepper
( signed to Vikings because he is from Maryland, where Tice rolled )
Highlight of his career? Sealing a win on a pass to Mr.Irrelevant in the last seconds of a preseason game.
http://www.answers.com/topic/hoag-ryan

signed 5 year veteran Jesse Palmer - Yes. That Jesse Palmer... the one from that fruity TV show. Palmer was picked up under Fassel. He is so good that he makes Page 3 at ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page3/story?page=10bqs/jessepalmer

3 Pocket Passers that will be working under Norv Turner ( typically a vertical offense type of coach )

So it's not too hard to see that Pickett didn't fit. He's much worse. With a career high of 45 attempts and a passer rating of 16.4, it's obvious that he has lots of potential and just needed a new system.

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

:whistle:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think the Bengals picked him up because they'd heard about someone named Ragone who'd knocked over a liquor store. Then they actually talked to him and found out it was a case of mistaken identity so they traded him to the Rams.
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eheh. Well those guys do have Doug Johnson ( Vick's back-up ) and then Kyle Boller's and Quincy Carter's back-up in Anthony Wright.

They have no fear if Carson Palmer goes down.

Ab-solute-ly fear-less.

This is the guy that beat Ragone out in Cincy for place-kick holder 3rd string, Erik Meyer.
http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060513/SPT03/605130361/1035/SPT

Drafted by MLB three TIMES!
Major League Baseball teams have selected Erik Meyer three times in the last five drafts. Each time he has turned them down, including the Reds when they took him in the 37th round of the 2001 draft.
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looks like a good prospect though.

P.S. Plus they have 12th man to pull out for the 5th
 
vtech9 said:
just in case anyone is still wondering, KFFL says it is for a conditional draft pick. So basically, if Cody doesn't make the final roster, we will probably not lose a pick.



Texans | Team acquires Pickett from San Francisco
Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:32:44 -0700

The Associated Press reports the Houston Texans have acquired QB Cody Pickett from the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for a conditional draft pick.
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No harm, no foul. Even if Pickett DOES make the roster, I don't envision the pick being higher than a seventh rounder.
 
WHAAAAAAAT !!!
A veteran QB with 4 interceptions and 4 fumbles in 6 games. Two of them as a starter. Think this dude has "butter fingers"!

Bobby 119C :stirpot:
 
TwinSisters said:
The Rams will give a seventh-round pick in the 2007 draft to the Texans only if Ragone makes the roster.

So in the end we get a 7th round pick if Ragone is on the roster.
We give up a 7th round pick if Pickett makes the roster.
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Not sure which of these statements came from you and which from the link, but the Texans are not going to get anything for Ragone. The Bengels who claimed him off waivers and traded him to the Rams will receive the Rams 7th round pick if he makes the team--not the Texans.
 
Vinny said:
It came to me in a flash. I saw a pizza commercial and thought about the immortal career back-up, "Gueido Merkins". We just signed Giuseppe Slash.
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Now THERE's a real veteran.........why couldn't we pick up someone like that..........can't argue with THESE stats. His "experience" alone deems him worthy of a 7th rounder.:sarcasm: ::hides:



Guido Merkins
+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1978 hou | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 1979 hou | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 1980 nor | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 1980 hou | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 1981 nor | 16 | 1 2 50.0 20 10.0 0 0 | 2 -1 0 |
| 1982 nor | 9 | 18 49 36.7 186 3.8 1 2 | 9 30 0 |
| 1983 nor | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 1 16 0 |
| 1984 nor | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 1985 nor | 16 | 1 1 100.0 7 7.0 1 0 | 1 -2 0 |
| 1987 phi | 3 | 7 14 50.0 70 5.0 0 0 | 3 -8 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 108 | 27 66 40.9 283 4.3 2 2 | 16 35 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
 
I might not be correct but IMO, Ragone being left handed may have had more than alot to do with why we chose not to go with him. You think about all those bootlegs, and because he is already not mobile, him being left handed would limit him even more as far as mobility goes.
 
El Tejano said:
I might not be correct but IMO, Ragone being left handed may have had more than alot to do with why we chose not to go with him. You think about all those bootlegs, and because he is already not mobile, him being left handed would limit him even more as far as mobility goes.
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Valid point.
 
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