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Texans 2015 Free Agency

mussop said:
We save 3 million for cutting Fitz right? Either way I won't be surprised to see JJoseph get cut or have to restructure and Graham shown the door.
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You're right, we have a lot of flexibility. But none of that has happened yet. On the same note, we haven't signed Hoyer and can't until tomorrow at 3:00. And the Jet's are coming up with another offer, I understand.
 
so heard a theory this morning that sounded logical in the Hoyer signing.

If Mallett doesn't pan out, they cut bait and still have Hoyer on staff with more experience in the system than Fitzzy, Texans draft a QB next year and Hoyer is the mentor/tackle dummy until said rookie is ready...


meh, guess we shall see...
 
BullNation4Life said:
so heard a theory this morning that sounded logical in the Hoyer signing.

If Mallett doesn't pan out, they cut bait and still have Hoyer on staff with more experience in the system than Fitzzy, Texans draft a QB next year and Hoyer is the mentor/tackle dummy until said rookie is ready...


meh, guess we shall see...
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Seriously debatable Hoyer has more experience in the system than Fitz. It's been 3 years (and 3 new offensive systems) since he was in it and he had zero starts in NE. But he's certainly more familiar than most other potential backups like Keenum, etc.
 
sandman said:
And what of those three things haven't the Texans attained/addressed at this point?

really good OL - Texans were one of the best running teams and had one of the fewest sack totals.

really good running game - see above. And Foster.

really good defense - finished top 10 against the run and points allowed. Completely dominated in second half of season. Already one key resigning. And JJ Watt.

And why would Mallett not be capable of using two good outside receivers? Arm strength? Knowledge about the system? Experience in the system?
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We need a center, NT maybe two, ILB, 2 OLBs and a FS. DE and TE could and should be upgraded. We also could use a third down back and a better slot WR. A second "stud" WR isn't more important than any of those I listed. I didn't even mention depth nearly everywhere. What are we going to do if D Brown goes down? Who's our swing T? When Foster finally breaks down, how good is the running game going to be? There is lots of work to do to this team still.



Not saying we shouldn't upgrade the other WR spot. Just saying it shouldn't be our priority to upgrade it with a top tier guy right now. We need to lean heavy on the running game and the defense to take pressure off the young QB. At this point be should be learning how to manage the team. As he gets more experience give him more resposability.

Put to much on his plate to early and he will crumble just like Carr and every other young QB has.
 
infantrycak said:
Seriously debatable Hoyer has more experience in the system than Fitz. It's been 3 years (and 3 new offensive systems) since he was in it and he had zero starts in NE. But he's certainly more familiar than most other potential backups like Keenum, etc.
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But he did appear in 13 games for NE, which is a lot more than Mallett... :kitten:
 
Just praying we don't sign Hoyer. I'd rather keep Fitz.

My only prediction: The Texans' action in FA will surprise most of us.
 
sandman said:
And what of those three things haven't the Texans attained/addressed at this point?

really good OL - Texans were one of the best running teams and had one of the fewest sack totals.

really good running game - see above. And Foster.

really good defense - finished top 10 against the run and points allowed. Completely dominated in second half of season. Already one key resigning. And JJ Watt.

And why would Mallett not be capable of using two good outside receivers? Arm strength? Knowledge about the system? Experience in the system?
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Remember that is not the full picture. It helps having a mobile quarterback. Fitzpatrick who had the majority of the snaps was 5th in the league in the amount of pressure he received (38.6%) so our pass blocking was not good last year. Not even close to it.
 
One thing signing both mallet and Hoyer does is eliminate the possability that we will be drafting a QB in this draft. At least it senna that way to me.

Unless Savage just really sucks to them.
 
deucetx said:
Remember that is not the full picture. It helps having a mobile quarterback. Fitzpatrick who had the majority of the snaps was 5th in the league in the amount of pressure he received (38.6%) so our pass blocking was not good last year. Not even close to it.
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That's why you can't just look at offensive and defensive rankings and say well were good at this or that. To many other factors. Like our schedule. We played six division games against horrible run defenses. Our overall schedule was about as easy as it gets.
 
deucetx said:
Remember that is not the full picture. It helps having a mobile quarterback. Fitzpatrick who had the majority of the snaps was 5th in the league in the amount of pressure he received (38.6%) so our pass blocking was not good last year. Not even close to it.
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Fitz suffered from analysis paralysis and held the ball too long far too often.
 
mussop said:
Put to much on his plate to early and he will crumble just like Carr and every other young QB has.
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You sound gun shy.

Unless I'm doing my math wrong, 10 of the 12 guys that threw for at least 4,000 yards last season started as rookies. Of the two that didn't start as rookies, Brady started his second year and Rodgers sat for three. Which is what Mallett did.
 
mussop said:
Put to much on his plate to early and he will crumble just like Carr and every other young QB has.
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A) this team is light years ahead of the Capers team.

B) not every rookie is a bunny wabbit waiting to bolt out of the huddle to the shelter of home.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
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sandman said:
You sound gun shy.

Unless I'm doing my math wrong, 10 of the 12 guys that threw for at least 4,000 yards last season started as rookies. Of the two that didn't start as rookies, Brady started his second year and Rodgers sat for three. Which is what Mallett did.
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What is your point?
 
mussop said:
What is your point?
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That you have a pre-disposition against young QB's. You want to set up a team to win in spite of Mallett instead of taking a risk to prove he is a leader. And in doing so you limit his development and turn him into a Fitz. Which you will then say proves your point. It's all circular reference.
 
sandman said:
That you have a pre-disposition against young QB's. You want to set up a team to win in spite of Mallett instead of taking a risk to prove he is a leader. And in doing so you limit his development and turn him into a Fitz. Which you will then say proves your point. It's all circular reference.
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Sorry but that is about as retarded a post as I have ever read. Your saying setting a team up so that it's capable of winning despite the QB play is going to limit a young QBs development?

Your saying its Better to put all the pressure on a young QB so to give him a chance to prove he's a leader. A QB who has started a total of 2 games on whT 4 or 5 years? Double face palm!!!
 
infantrycak said:
Gee, sorry. I thought we were extrapolating Carr out as every rookie QB even onto non-expansion teams. Not sure where I got that idea.
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The history of the NFL is littered with examples like Carr. There are very few QBd that have come in and been able to take a franchise by the reigns and lead them to success right away. Very few.

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Originally Posted by mussop
Put to much on his plate to early and he will crumble just like Carr and every other young QB has.


Have no idea where you got that idea. I said just like Carr AND EVERY OTHER YOUNG QB HAS.
 
mussop said:
Sorry but that is about as retarded a post as I have ever read. Your saying setting a team up so that it's capable of winning despite the QB play is going to limit a young QBs development?

Your saying its Better to put all the pressure on a young QB so to give him a chance to prove he's a leader. A QB who has started a total of 2 games on whT 4 or 5 years? Double face palm!!!
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This team won 9 games with four different QB's last season. Mallett won the first game he ever started and looked pretty damned prepared and confident doing it. I'm still not sure how investing at the beginning of the draft on a receiver is going to put all of the pressure on Mallett. I can see how providing Mallett with something other than a JAG opposite of Nuk will allow him to be more successful. Do you honestly think that OB is going to stop giving the ball to Foster and tell Mallett that he has to throw for 4K and 30 TD's because they drafted a WR in the first few rounds? Double face palm, indeed.
 
mussop said:
The history of the NFL is littered with examples like Carr. There are very few QBd that have come in and been able to take a franchise by the reigns and lead them to success right away. Very few.
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And how'd we get onto rookies?

You're pushing this support the unproven QB agenda with examples that don't apply - Carr, rookies, expansion teams, etc.
 
mussop said:
We need a center, NT maybe two, ILB, 2 OLBs and a FS. DE and TE could and should be upgraded. We also could use a third down back and a better slot WR. A second "stud" WR isn't more important than any of those I listed. I didn't even mention depth nearly everywhere. What are we going to do if D Brown goes down? Who's our swing T? When Foster finally breaks down, how good is the running game going to be? There is lots of work to do to this team still.



Not saying we shouldn't upgrade the other WR spot.
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What we need is a WR like Ty Hilton that can break it off & blow the game up. That's all Indy has on us... yeah, they got Luck. But outside a few clutch (maybe more than just a few) his play hasn't been that much better than what we've had here. The biggest difference has been those clutch moments that ended with Ty on the other end of a 30+ yard TD.

We need to score points. Our defense is enough to get us to the big game if we can put up 30 ppg.
 
thunderkyss said:
What we need is a WR like Ty Hilton that can break it off & blow the game up. That's all Indy has on us... yeah, they got Luck. But outside a few clutch (maybe more than just a few) his play hasn't been that much better than what we've had here. The biggest difference has been those clutch moments that ended with Ty on the other end of a 30+ yard TD.

We need to score points. Our defense is enough to get us to the big game if we can put up 30 ppg.
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Someone who could blanket TY Hilton would be huge also. But yeah, we need speed everywhere
 
thunderkyss said:
What we need is a WR like Ty Hilton that can break it off & blow the game up. That's all Indy has on us... yeah, they got Luck. But outside a few clutch (maybe more than just a few) his play hasn't been that much better than what we've had here. The biggest difference has been those clutch moments that ended with Ty on the other end of a 30+ yard TD.

We need to score points. Our defense is enough to get us to the big game if we can put up 30 ppg.
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In that case I would suggest using 1st pick on Jaelen Strong http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=8DEF51CA0C36ECC8F28C8DEF51CA0C36ECC8F28C
 
mussop said:
The history of the NFL is littered with examples like Carr. There are very few QBd that have come in and been able to take a franchise by the reigns and lead them to success right away. Very few.

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Originally Posted by mussop
Put to much on his plate to early and he will crumble just like Carr and every other young QB has.


Have no idea where you got that idea. I said just like Carr AND EVERY OTHER YOUNG QB HAS.
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And you said "will crumble" just like Carr and every other young QB has. Now you are saying "lead them to success right away". There is a difference between the two.

But to that point, I did provide data that 10 of the top 12 QB's this year from a yardage perspective were rookie starters. Pretty sure all but one have made the playoffs and several are SB winners.
 
Mallet is a long option, also know as a call, which is a bet with a minimum or limited investment on his upside, while Hoyer is nothing but an insurance policy, i.e.
a hedge against Mallets's downside.
But hats off to Rick Smith, he's been brilliant during this FA agency so far, notwithsanding his deficiencies in recent Drafts.
 
IDEXAN said:
Mallet is a long option, also know as aa call, which is a bet itn a minimal investment on his upsidee, while Hoyer is nothing but an insurnace policy, i.e.
a hedge against Mallets's downside.
But hats off to Rick Smih, he's been brilliant during this FA agency so far, notwistanding his deficiencies of recent Drafts.
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Dude, you know this is all OB. Don't be giving Smith any love... :kitten:
 
sandman said:
This team won 9 games with four different QB's last season. Mallett won the first game he ever started and looked pretty damned prepared and confident doing it. I'm still not sure how investing at the beginning of the draft on a receiver is going to put all of the pressure on Mallett. I can see how providing Mallett with something other than a JAG opposite of Nuk will allow him to be more successful. Do you honestly think that OB is going to stop giving the ball to Foster and tell Mallett that he has to throw for 4K and 30 TD's because they drafted a WR in the first few rounds? Double face palm, indeed.
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Yep won 9 games with one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. And until we build this teams trenches up we will continue to hover around .500. It's been proven over and over again that you can win without having an elite QB if you have a good running game and a really good defense.

Last year tony romo looked like he finally figured out how to play QB. You think it was because he had two great WRs on the outside? No it was because his OL and running game dominated and their defense stepped up and played lights out. Who's our starting center? Who's our starting LG? Who's our TE? Who's our starting NT? Who's our starting OLBs? Who's starting at safety? Who is ther backing up Watt and Crick? What if Watt goes down with an injury?

If we draft a WR in the first round that's fine. But we better take care of all those other positions with players better than what we have trotted out the last few years. You guys acting like we have to have a guy equal to Johnson opposite ahoy kind or we will suck are crazy.
 
thunderkyss said:
What we need is a WR like Ty Hilton that can break it off & blow the game up. That's all Indy has on us... yeah, they got Luck. But outside a few clutch (maybe more than just a few) his play hasn't been that much better than what we've had here. The biggest difference has been those clutch moments that ended with Ty on the other end of a 30+ yard TD.

We need to score points. Our defense is enough to get us to the big game if we can put up 30 ppg.
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I agree we need a burner WR. I think phillip dorsett would be a great draft pick for us.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/phillip-dorsett?id=2552424
 
infantrycak said:
Hey, how about that Demaris signing?

:kitten::clap::kitten:



$3.25.

Not sure why we wouldn't have already made any move on JJo if there were going to be one.

Yes they can axe Graham at any time and gain another $3.25.
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You still get that Cap relief in a trade. Pick up the Jets/Eagles 7th and replace the Mallet pick. Jets/Eagles get their guy without competition.
 
The Jets have no reason to trade for Fitz. He will be cut by us if we bring in Hoyer and then they are likely to offer him the most appealing deal once he's on the market.
 
JB said:
A 5th for Fitz? Now that would be awesome!
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Well, I wish I knew what the Bills gave up for Cassel, as I view it as pretty comparable. I know that they gave up a pick along with Cassel and got two back.

Assuming Hoyer is signed, let's hope we get a chance to find out what Fitz is worth.
 
WolverineFan said:
The Jets have no reason to trade for Fitz. He will be cut by us if we bring in Hoyer and then they are likely to offer him the most appealing deal once he's on the market.
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Teams give up low round picks for certainty. Schaub to Oakland. T.J. Yates to Atlanta. Mallett to Houston. Gabbert to San Fran.

Not always by any means but not unusual either.
 
WolverineFan said:
The Jets have no reason to trade for Fitz. He will be cut by us if we bring in Hoyer and then they are likely to offer him the most appealing deal once he's on the market.
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When are we going to cut Fitz?

They'd probably like to have him before OTAs & camp, we can hold on to him through training camp like we did with Keenum or Yates, or whichever one we kept longer.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Well, I wish I knew what the Bills gave up for Cassel, as I view it as pretty comparable. I know that they gave up a pick along with Cassel and got two back.

Assuming Hoyer is signed, let's hope we get a chance to find out what Fitz is worth.
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Pretty sure they swapped their 5th with the Vikings 6th this year and gave up a 7th for 2016.
 
infantrycak said:
Teams give up low round picks for certainty. Schaub to Oakland. T.J. Yates to Atlanta. Mallett to Houston. Gabbert to San Fran.

Not always by any means but not unusual either.
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Fair points by both you and TK.

I just don't see a market for a 32 year old that is the odd man out. The logical thing would be to just wait it out but NFL teams hardly approach things logically.
 
WolverineFan said:
Fair points by both you and TK.

I just don't see a market for a 32 year old that is the odd man out. The logical thing would be to just wait it out but NFL teams hardly approach things logically.
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They're looking for a QB who can get their team to the play offs. Fitz got closer than any other QB available. Hoyer was second.
 
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