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Texans 1.3 Pick Derek Stingley Jr.

banned1976

sleeper mode
Quintessential boom or bust pick; you could post a 100 thousand puff pieces on Stingley and you won't change my mind in that assertion. I'm not going to say that this pick will determine the future of Nick Caserio's tenure here, but if it turns out to be a complete bust of a pick Nick's room for error may be a lot smaller. Cal hasn't shown to have the patience of his dad.
 
I am hoping in 5 years we will be negotiating an extension of another five years due to the tremendous production of Derek Stingley and he is being talked about as the wondrous medical aberration.
It's the NFL he will be demanding a trade in 5 years

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maverick512000

Hall of Fame
Allegedly someone in Texans war room called Kayvon Thibodeaux and told him that he would be the pick at 3.

Who in the blue Hell is John Buhler? :confused::confused::confused:
 
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maverick512000

Hall of Fame
They had four damn months to get ready for pick #3. They are 15 minutes from making the pick and they still don't know who they are going to take. This does not bode well for the Texans, now or in the future. There is no REAL leadership in the building. I want an adult who can orchestrate a 4-year plan. I'm not sure there is a 1-year plan. Looks like they are having a difficult time living in the moment.
Are you seriously putting any stock in this? Its a "breaking story" from a nobody "writer" on a joke of a "news site" which has more holes in it than a fishing net. First, Texans had the 3rd overall and everyone knew Hutchison would go 1 or 2 so unless their board said "Walker and no one else" then they would have zero reason to panic. Second, Thibodeaux had been sliding in mocks all week and no serious draft day mock had Texans taking him. Third, Thibodeaux as a one of the high profile picks had cameras on him at all times so if he had gotten a call right before a pick was sent in you better believe it would have been captured. Nothing about this "report" makes any sense.
 

zshawn10

All Pro
Allegedly someone in Texans war room called Kayvon Thibodeaux and told him that he would be the pick at 3.

lol BS
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Derek Stingley Jr.: Will Fuller v2022?
The similarities might be more than Deja Vu.
By Mike Bullock@RedZonePlay May 3, 2022, 9:00am CDT


Prior to the 2016 NFL Draft, Baylor wide receiver Corey Coleman got a lot of love from Texans fans and mock drafters, projecting him as Houston’s #1 pick in the 21st slot. As we’ve seen all too often, another team grabbed Coleman ahead of the Texans - that team just so happens to be the Cleveland Browns. And, afterward the Texans took the “next best thing” in Notre Dame receiver Will Fuller V.

At the time, there was a fair amount of disappointment that the Texans had lost out on Coleman and settled for Fuller, who entered the league with major durability questions that didn’t provide too many warm and fuzzy feelings for those putting the speedster under the microscope.

Over the course of the next five seasons, Fuller V caught 209 passes for 3110 yards, 24 touchdowns and an average yards per catch of 14.9. All this while missing 25 games due to various injuries.

Fuller’s Houston career was the epitome of boom and bust all at once. When he was on the field, watch out. Fuller could score from anywhere as long as his quarterback could get him the ball. When Fuller was sidelined with one of his various physical issues, the offense looked entirely different.
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Coleman lasted two seasons with the Cleveland Browns, before one with the New York Giants on his way to an early exit from the NFL. In those three years, the former Texans draft target caught 61 passes for 789 yards, 5 touchdowns and a 12.9 yards per catch average.

Despite immediate draft day reactions, the Texans got the better player. Even with Fuller’s unending injury issues, he was a key part of multiple AFC South Division Championships and a host of highlight reel plays.

Fast forward to 2022. Rumors swirled that the Texans were targeting a cornerback with the third overall pick. Many, including myself, wanted the Texans to nab Cincinnati Bearcat Ahmad “Sauce” Gardner. Instead, the Texans went down a familiar road, grabbing oft-injured LSU corner Derek Stingley Jr.

Gardner, like Coleman in 2016, ended up with a wildly underperforming franchise in the New York Jets. While the Browns have slowly built away from the 2016 basement dwellers that selected Coleman, the Jets haven’t been relevant since Joe Namath road off on his rhinestone encrusted horse in the early 1970s. Yes, my heart broke for Sauce when the Jets selected him... hopefully he can escape to a better team before New York ruins him.

Anyhow, the object of Houston’s draft love, Derek Stingley Jr. comes with the same amount of injury concerns that Fuller had coming out of college.
Sept. 26, 2020 — Stingley is forced to miss the season opener vs. Mississippi State. Per an official LSU statement, he became “acutely ill” the night prior and was hospitalized.
Oct. 10, 2020 — Stingley injures his ankle in a “freak accident” vs. Missouri. He is able to play through the injury but is not at 100 percent.
Nov. 21, 2020 — Stingley appears to hit his head at the end of a punt midway through the third quarter vs. Arkansas, causing him to miss the remainder of the game.
Dec. 5, 2020 — Stingley suffers another sprained ankle against Alabama. The lingering effects of the injury cause him to miss the final two games of the season, vs. Florida and Ole Miss.
2021 preseason — Stingley sprains his foot. He plays through the “painful” injury in the first three games.
Sept. 26, 2021 — Stingley aggravates his foot sprain in the week leading up to the Mississippi State game (later discovered to be a Lisfranc injury). He undergoes surgery, ending his season and career at LSU after having played in just 10 games since his standout freshman season. He is given a recovery timeline of four to six months.
Jan. 6, 2022 — Stingley officially declares for the 2022 NFL Draft.
March 6, 2022 — Stingley declines to compete in defensive back drills at NFL Combine. He wants to be at 100 percent for LSU’s pro day.
April 6, 2022 — Stingley participates in LSU’s pro day. In addition to going through defensive back drills, he registers a 4.37 40-yard dash, a 38 1/2-inch vertical leap and a 10-2 broad jump.
Sounds a lot like Fuller... in fact, in his final two NCAA campaigns, Stingley Jr. was only available for 10 games. Fuller missed 10 games for the Texans over his final two seasons in H-Town.

Old Ball Coach
Your greatest ability is your availability.
Optimists are calling this the greatest Houston draft in ages, with Stingley as the poster child for future Texans glory.

Pessimists are calling this a draft riddled with reaches and unnecessary gambles on players with more question marks than undeniable proof of success.

Odds are, the reality will fall somewhere in between, with some players overachieving and some underwhelming.

Stingley Jr. is likely to embody both of those things all at once. During his high points, he’ll create Sportscenter worthy plays that will electrify the fanbase and put fear in opposing quarterbacks. During the lows, he’ll either play poorly due to nagging injuries or not suit up at all for games on end.

Like Will Fuller before him, Stingley Jr. is likely to excite and disappoint again and again and again.

One of the true conundrums of NFL Draft coverage is the overwhelming desire to grade the draft as soon as it happens, and the utter lack of interest in grading it once there’s enough on field data years later to do so.

In 2027, it will be interesting to look back and see how Stingley Jr. and Sauce Gardner performed over their first five years of NFL employment. Will they both make it that far? Will one be a pro bowler while the other a failure to live up to his potential? One a Fuller V and the other a Coleman? Only time will tell.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Oft injured?

How many injuries this kid have?
October 10, 2020 - He played through an injured ankle.
November 21, 2020 - Got knocked out of a game when a punt hit him in the head.
December 5, 2020 - Sprained ankle and missed final two games of the season.

Preseason, 2021 - Sprained foot that bothered him for the first 3 games of the season.
September 26, 2021 - Aggravates foot sprain and finds out it's a lisfranc, has surgery, and misses the rest of the season. Note that this is actually the same foot sprain he had in the preseason, so it could be considered one injury.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Sounds more like coddling..likely at the behest of his father trying to protect his draft status. There’s really only 1 injury on that list i see, the lisfranc. I dont count a sprained ankle, a concussion and a flu bug as an injury just b/c he missed a game or 2.
 

banned1976

sleeper mode
Old Ball Coach
Optimists are calling this the greatest Houston draft in ages, with Stingley as the poster child for future Texans glory.

Pessimists are calling this a draft riddled with reaches and unnecessary gambles on players with more question marks than undeniable proof of success.

Odds are, the reality will fall somewhere in between, with some players overachieving and some underwhelming.
I definitely fall in the middle. I usually do. There are some picks I liked, others I did not. I liked the Green pick, I didn't like the Stingley pick. I really liked the Pitre pick (I conducted several dozen mock drafts on various simulator sites and along with Okwonu, he was my most drafted player at that slot), I'm cold on Metchie but warming up to him. I'm higher on Pierce than I am on Harris but I don't hate the Harris pick. The last three picks I have no opinion because honestly, I've never heard of them.

Last year the only player I had an opinion on was Mills and I wrote then I wasn't in love with the pick but I certainly understood why they drafted him. I like the pick more now because this QB draft class was a major dud.
 
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CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Sounds more like coddling..likely at the behest of his father trying to protect his draft status. There’s really only 1 injury on that list i see, the lisfranc. I dont count a sprained ankle, a concussion and a flu bug as an injury just b/c he missed a game or 2.
College teams are notorious for not reporting injuries completely and accurately. Not even mentioned was the 2020 quad strain that Stingley dealt with most of the season. In Stingley's case, the ankle sprains were very significant. The first sustained in Oct 2020 was in fact a Grade I high ankle sprain. This injury dogged him for the rest of the season. In Dec 2020, he extended his high ankle sprain to a Grade II. Had it not been the end of the season, he would have missed more than the 2 last games of the season. Fast forward to a Sept 2021 preseason practice when Stingley originally sustained his lisfranc via a noncontact classic twisting mechanism. He came back during the regular season, just to extend the injury in week 4. As an aside, there is thought that his 2020 high ankle issue had not entirely resolved by the 2021 preseason, and its instability contributed to his foot twisting lisfranc injury. All the aforementioned injuries contributed to his obviously compromised performance since 2019.
 
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CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Lovie told him he wants him following around the team’s #1 WR.

This is interesting to me because it tells me the team may be playing more man coverage than a normal Lovie defense would feature.
Or maybe it was just a bit of jovial phone banter..
Lovie Smith’s plan for Derek Stingley: “Going to the No. 1 receiver every time”
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2022, 3:22 PM EDT

Texans coach Lovie Smith expects rookie cornerback Derek Stingley to be ready for the most challenging assignment from Day One.

Smith called Stingley just before the Texans drafted him to let him know he was going to be a Texan, and to tell him that the Texans see him as a cornerback who can always cover the opposing team’s best wide receiver.

“I’ve got a plan for you,” Smith told Stingley in footage captured by NFL Films. “How about going to the No. 1 receiver every time. Sound good?”

“Sounds good to me,” Stingley answered.

That’s a lot to put on a rookie, but the Texans wouldn’t have taken Stingley with the third overall pick in the draft if they didn’t think he was ready for a big impact, right away.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
College teams are notorious for not reporting injuries completely and accurately. Not even mentioned was the 2020 quad strain that Stingley dealt with most of the season. In Stingley's case, the ankle sprains were very significant. The first sustained in Oct 2020 was in fact a Grade I high ankle sprain. This injury dogged him for the rest of the season. In Dec 2020, he extended his high ankle sprain to a Grade II. Had it not been the end of the season, he would have missed more than the 2 last games of the season. Fast forward to a Sept 2021 preseason practice when Stingley originally sustained his lisfranc via a noncontact classic twisting mechanism. He came back during the regular season, just to extend the injury in week 4. As an aside, there is thought that his 2020 high ankle issue had not entirely resolved by the 2021 preseason, and its instability contributed to his foot twisting lisfranc injury. All the aforementioned injuries contributed to his obviously compromised performance since 2019.
Like NFL coaches, college coaches just want to get their players back on the field. Thanks for posting the additional information.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Lovie Smith’s plan for Derek Stingley: “Going to the No. 1 receiver every time”
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2022, 3:22 PM EDT

Texans coach Lovie Smith expects rookie cornerback Derek Stingley to be ready for the most challenging assignment from Day One.

Smith called Stingley just before the Texans drafted him to let him know he was going to be a Texan, and to tell him that the Texans see him as a cornerback who can always cover the opposing team’s best wide receiver.

“I’ve got a plan for you,” Smith told Stingley in footage captured by NFL Films. “How about going to the No. 1 receiver every time. Sound good?”

“Sounds good to me,” Stingley answered.

That’s a lot to put on a rookie, but the Texans wouldn’t have taken Stingley with the third overall pick in the draft if they didn’t think he was ready for a big impact, right away.
Pretty soon going to have to stop using the precursor "if healthy" but I believe that Stingley is type of cornerback to succeed in the NFL in man-to-man mirror coverage. Neighbor said he's too cocky but I like that in most corners.
 

thunderkyss

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Lovie Smith’s plan for Derek Stingley: “Going to the No. 1 receiver every time”
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2022, 3:22 PM EDT

Texans coach Lovie Smith expects rookie cornerback Derek Stingley to be ready for the most challenging assignment from Day One.

Smith called Stingley just before the Texans drafted him to let him know he was going to be a Texan, and to tell him that the Texans see him as a cornerback who can always cover the opposing team’s best wide receiver.

“I’ve got a plan for you,” Smith told Stingley in footage captured by NFL Films. “How about going to the No. 1 receiver every time. Sound good?”

“Sounds good to me,” Stingley answered.

That’s a lot to put on a rookie, but the Texans wouldn’t have taken Stingley with the third overall pick in the draft if they didn’t think he was ready for a big impact, right away.
It's a shame what counts as reporting nowadays. That story came out on the 3rd. There was plenty of time to ask Lovie to expound on that. But all he reported was what Lovie said in that phone conversation, the one we're questioning what was meant.

smh
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
College teams are notorious for not reporting injuries completely and accurately. Not even mentioned was the 2020 quad strain that Stingley dealt with most of the season. In Stingley's case, the ankle sprains were very significant. The first sustained in Oct 2020 was in fact a Grade I high ankle sprain. This injury dogged him for the rest of the season. In Dec 2020, he extended his high ankle sprain to a Grade II. Had it not been the end of the season, he would have missed more than the 2 last games of the season. Fast forward to a Sept 2021 preseason practice when Stingley originally sustained his lisfranc via a noncontact classic twisting mechanism. He came back during the regular season, just to extend the injury in week 4. As an aside, there is thought that his 2020 high ankle issue had not entirely resolved by the 2021 preseason, and its instability contributed to his foot twisting lisfranc injury. All the aforementioned injuries contributed to his obviously compromised performance since 2019.
good stuff. With this info, sounds like he’s already falling prey to the team camaraderie guilt thing. I can hear it almost as if i was in LSU’s locker room.

“Cmon sting we need you bro..”…

”you at 90% is still better than most of these other dudes we got on the team..”

“we gotta run it back and defend the crown”

All that in addition to he himself likely putting all kinds of pressure on himself. First probably pressing ALOT to live up to his ridiculous 2019 season and status as an 1st team all-american as a freshman….then pressing to recover from injury so that he doesnt fall in the draft. Kid has been playing “up” in competition his entire career. Now that he has been drafted, hopefully some of that pressure can be relieved and he can just focus on fine tuning his game.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
It's a shame what counts as reporting nowadays. That story came out on the 3rd. There was plenty of time to ask Lovie to expound on that. But all he reported was what Lovie said in that phone conversation, the one we're questioning what was meant.

smh
Especially local reporting has been inexcusably "lazy" ever since this small city became a one newspaper city.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Especially local reporting has been inexcusably "lazy" ever since this small city became a one newspaper city.
Will the Houston Texans fans recover from the loss of the General John McClain? Well he will still be reporting just not for the chronicle. Not sure it even impacted most fan who got info other sources. Lazy is as lazy does or something like that
 

Mollywhopper

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Lovie Smith’s plan for Derek Stingley: “Going to the No. 1 receiver every time”
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2022, 3:22 PM EDT

Texans coach Lovie Smith expects rookie cornerback Derek Stingley to be ready for the most challenging assignment from Day One.

Smith called Stingley just before the Texans drafted him to let him know he was going to be a Texan, and to tell him that the Texans see him as a cornerback who can always cover the opposing team’s best wide receiver.

“I’ve got a plan for you,” Smith told Stingley in footage captured by NFL Films. “How about going to the No. 1 receiver every time. Sound good?”

“Sounds good to me,” Stingley answered.

That’s a lot to put on a rookie, but the Texans wouldn’t have taken Stingley with the third overall pick in the draft if they didn’t think he was ready for a big impact, right away.
So basically he just recounted the same phone banter we were talking about..

..ok.
 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
Are you seriously putting any stock in this? Its a "breaking story" from a nobody "writer" on a joke of a "news site" which has more holes in it than a fishing net. First, Texans had the 3rd overall and everyone knew Hutchison would go 1 or 2 so unless their board said "Walker and no one else" then they would have zero reason to panic. Second, Thibodeaux had been sliding in mocks all week and no serious draft day mock had Texans taking him. Third, Thibodeaux as a one of the high profile picks had cameras on him at all times so if he had gotten a call right before a pick was sent in you better believe it would have been captured. Nothing about this "report" makes any sense.
I heard about this from 3 different sources. And I don't believe it. Tib would have said something by now. Even as simple as the Texans also called me on draft day. But not a word
 

DBCooper

Outlaw
Contributor's Club
Derek Stingley Jr.: Will Fuller v2022?
The similarities might be more than Deja Vu.
By Mike Bullock@RedZonePlay May 3, 2022, 9:00am CDT


Prior to the 2016 NFL Draft, Baylor wide receiver Corey Coleman got a lot of love from Texans fans and mock drafters, projecting him as Houston’s #1 pick in the 21st slot. As we’ve seen all too often, another team grabbed Coleman ahead of the Texans - that team just so happens to be the Cleveland Browns. And, afterward the Texans took the “next best thing” in Notre Dame receiver Will Fuller V.

At the time, there was a fair amount of disappointment that the Texans had lost out on Coleman and settled for Fuller, who entered the league with major durability questions that didn’t provide too many warm and fuzzy feelings for those putting the speedster under the microscope.

Over the course of the next five seasons, Fuller V caught 209 passes for 3110 yards, 24 touchdowns and an average yards per catch of 14.9. All this while missing 25 games due to various injuries.

Fuller’s Houston career was the epitome of boom and bust all at once. When he was on the field, watch out. Fuller could score from anywhere as long as his quarterback could get him the ball. When Fuller was sidelined with one of his various physical issues, the offense looked entirely different.
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Coleman lasted two seasons with the Cleveland Browns, before one with the New York Giants on his way to an early exit from the NFL. In those three years, the former Texans draft target caught 61 passes for 789 yards, 5 touchdowns and a 12.9 yards per catch average.

Despite immediate draft day reactions, the Texans got the better player. Even with Fuller’s unending injury issues, he was a key part of multiple AFC South Division Championships and a host of highlight reel plays.

Fast forward to 2022. Rumors swirled that the Texans were targeting a cornerback with the third overall pick. Many, including myself, wanted the Texans to nab Cincinnati Bearcat Ahmad “Sauce” Gardner. Instead, the Texans went down a familiar road, grabbing oft-injured LSU corner Derek Stingley Jr.

Gardner, like Coleman in 2016, ended up with a wildly underperforming franchise in the New York Jets. While the Browns have slowly built away from the 2016 basement dwellers that selected Coleman, the Jets haven’t been relevant since Joe Namath road off on his rhinestone encrusted horse in the early 1970s. Yes, my heart broke for Sauce when the Jets selected him... hopefully he can escape to a better team before New York ruins him.

Anyhow, the object of Houston’s draft love, Derek Stingley Jr. comes with the same amount of injury concerns that Fuller had coming out of college.

Sounds a lot like Fuller... in fact, in his final two NCAA campaigns, Stingley Jr. was only available for 10 games. Fuller missed 10 games for the Texans over his final two seasons in H-Town.

Old Ball Coach

Optimists are calling this the greatest Houston draft in ages, with Stingley as the poster child for future Texans glory.

Pessimists are calling this a draft riddled with reaches and unnecessary gambles on players with more question marks than undeniable proof of success.

Odds are, the reality will fall somewhere in between, with some players overachieving and some underwhelming.

Stingley Jr. is likely to embody both of those things all at once. During his high points, he’ll create Sportscenter worthy plays that will electrify the fanbase and put fear in opposing quarterbacks. During the lows, he’ll either play poorly due to nagging injuries or not suit up at all for games on end.

Like Will Fuller before him, Stingley Jr. is likely to excite and disappoint again and again and again.

One of the true conundrums of NFL Draft coverage is the overwhelming desire to grade the draft as soon as it happens, and the utter lack of interest in grading it once there’s enough on field data years later to do so.

In 2027, it will be interesting to look back and see how Stingley Jr. and Sauce Gardner performed over their first five years of NFL employment. Will they both make it that far? Will one be a pro bowler while the other a failure to live up to his potential? One a Fuller V and the other a Coleman? Only time will tell.
Killin my buzz Doc.

Love the info though!
 

maverick512000

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Ultimately I’m a big believer in the idea that the best ability is often availability so I think this was to big a gamble particularly when Sauce was right there. You gamble on QBs because you have to but beyond that there is no reason to gamble with a top 3 pick, not counting the normal gamble that is the draft in general.

It doesn’t help that I have no faith in the Texans medical staff to evaluate injuries.
 

steelbtexan

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Ultimately I’m a big believer in the idea that the best ability is often availability so I think this was to big a gamble particularly when Sauce was right there. You gamble on QBs because you have to but beyond that there is no reason to gamble with a top 3 pick, not counting the normal gamble that is the draft in general.

It doesn’t help that I have no faith in the Texans medical staff to evaluate injuries.
The medical staff gave their blessings to pick Stingley, so if this doesn't work out they should get most of the blame.
 

thunderkyss

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Ultimately I’m a big believer in the idea that the best ability is often availability so I think this was to big a gamble particularly when Sauce was right there. You gamble on QBs because you have to but beyond that there is no reason to gamble with a top 3 pick, not counting the normal gamble that is the draft in general.

It doesn’t help that I have no faith in the Texans medical staff to evaluate injuries.
There's one poster here who was very against Sauce Gardner because his playing style (handsy) will not be allowed in the NFL.

I'll be watching.
 


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