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Texan Opportunity Browns willing to trade up, if necessary,4 Manziel

Wow, I just read this whole thread. What a waste of time, lol.

Just completely asinine trade scenarios and hypothetical what if's being thrown around.

This is going to be a LONG off-season.
 
All the evidence we needs as to why nobody wants the Browns job. Who would want to coach that mess and be immediately handcuffed by a trade like this?
 
TexansFTW said:
Wow, I just read this whole thread. What a waste of time, lol.

Just completely asinine trade scenarios and hypothetical what if's being thrown around.

This is going to be a LONG off-season.
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My favorite is the one on the previous page that has us going from 1-1 to 1-2 to 1-3 to 1-4. Sounds plausible.
 
Texian said:
Any team wanting to trade up to #2 would not do so until after the Texans have made their pick making sure their player is still on the board. It's the only Guarantee.
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That makes sense unless there are 2 players they are in love with a la Washington with Luck/Griffin.
 
I'd be afraid if I were a top QB being eyed by the Browns. Look at their relatively recent 1st round QB picks: Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden.
 
matts290 said:
I think the premise is that: The Browns want Manziel, are willing to trade up to get him, but it may come at a cheaper price to negotiate with the Rams as well because if we are presumably open to trading them the 1.1 pick, then that means we are not interested in Manziel, and the Browns could just as well get him at the Rams #2 pick....But, if we were to suddenly trade our first pick to someone else besides the Browns, and they take Manziel, then that would ruin their plans to trade up to the Rams pick.

Does that even make sense because it kinda doesn't to me. :thinking::P
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Makes perfect sense.

The Browns let the Texans know they are willing to trade so they can get Manziel. The Texans agree, so the Browns know they aren't interested in Manziel. So they rescind their offer.

They tell the Rams they are willing to trade up so they can get Manziel. The Rams agree in principle, if Manziel is there. This tells the Browns the Rams aren't interested in Manziel, so they rescind that offer.

The Browns tell the Jags they are willing to trade up to get Manziel. Like the Rams, they agree in principle... signalling they aren't interested in Manziel. The Browns rescind that offer. So their stuck with the #4 pick & have to ask themselves..... has a midget ever been selected in the top 5 of the NFL draft?
 
thunderkyss said:
Makes perfect sense.

The Browns let the Texans know they are willing to trade so they can get Manziel. The Texans agree, so the Browns know they aren't interested in Manziel. So they rescind their offer.

They tell the Rams they are willing to trade up so they can get Manziel. The Rams agree in principle, if Manziel is there. This tells the Browns the Rams aren't interested in Manziel, so they rescind that offer.

The Browns tell the Jags they are willing to trade up to get Manziel. Like the Rams, they agree in principle... signalling they aren't interested in Manziel. The Browns rescind that offer. So their stuck with the #4 pick & have to ask themselves..... has a midget ever been selected in the top 5 of the NFL draft?
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The flaw in this logic is that a willingness to trade does not mean the Texans won't pick their guy. It just mean they are willing to wheel and deal. Also that willingness to deal makes them a candidate for other QB hungry teams like Oakland or Minnesota. Cleveland rescinds and Texans trade with Oakland. Oakland picks Manziel and Cleveland is stuck with Clowney or Carr.

Trading with Texas is the only way to certainty until they pick.
 
thunderkyss said:
The Browns let the Texans know they are willing to trade so they can get Manziel. The Texans agree, so the Browns know they aren't interested in Manziel. So they rescind their offer...
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Then the Texans trade the pick to the Vikings who also love Manziel's Tarkentoness... or the Raiders who lust for Johnny "Hard Knocks" Football... or the Jets who think Manziel is Broadway Johnny... or Tennessee who want Manziel in Possum Holler...

See what happens when there's more than one team who wants a face of the franchise QB? :truck:
 
Marshall said:
Trade down to 1-2 so St. Louis (or their trading partner can get Clowney)
1-1 (3000) to St Louis
2-33 (580) to St Louis
3-65 (265) to St Louis

1-2 (2600) to Houston
1-13 (1150) to Houston
4-109 (76) to Houston

Trade down to 1-3 so Jacksonville can take Bortles.

1-2 (2600) to Jacksonville
4-97 (112) to Jacksonville

1-3 to Houston (2200)
2-35 to Houston (550)

Trade down to Cleveland so they can take Manziel.

1-3 (2200) to Cleveland
2-35 (550)to Cleveland

1-4 (1800) to Houston
1-26 (700) to Houston
3-68 (250) to Houston

Leaving us with:

1-4 TB?
1-13 Mosley/Hicks/Evans
1-26 Amaro/Martin/Tuitt
3-68
4-109
in the first 4 rounds

Each team must know we are willing to take 'their guy' if they do not trade for him.
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Browns being "linked" to LOVING anyone and everyone it seems.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen stated on NFL Insiders that the new Browns OC "loves" Cousins, and Adam Schefter suggests that Shanahan is interested in initiating trade talks for the Redskins backup QB.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/could-kirk-cousins-be-the-new-browns-qb-020314

I think there were a few wanting Cousins here as well, but
Cousins threw for 747 yards and four touchdowns with five interceptions while starting for the injured RGIII in the final three games of the 2013 season.
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The Browns have 3 extra picks on top of their normal 7, so they have the stuff to make it happen. They have an extra 1st, 3rd and 4th. Cousins was an early 4th round pick by the Redskins in 2011, so I would imagine it would take a 2nd and a 4th to pry him away. Or maybe a 2nd and a 2015 conditional pick. QBs tend to bring a premium when they have potential.
 
OzzO said:
I think there were a few wanting Cousins here as well, but
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In addition to your 4 TD 5 INT statement you bolded. People forget that he was set up TO COMPLETELY succeed against some of the sorriest defenses in the NFL and a couple that had NOTHING to play for and he completely fell on his face.
 
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