Everyone miss judges players. This is no exact science. I. Just hate when people try and pass themselves off as a pro scout and then spurt out a bunch of stupid BS.
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Teddy Bridgewater
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Everyone miss judges players. This is no exact science. I. Just hate when people try and pass themselves off as a pro scout and then spurt out a bunch of stupid BS.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Us 'new guys' just need to come to terms that alot of the long time, more 'valued' contributors are just pissed off in general, and half the time they dont even know why, and they sure as hell wont take any logical input from 'newbs' on any topic.
The art of debate is lost on more than a few guys around here, especially outside of that inner ring. Use the ignore button to your benefit, it will save you time and stress.
The art of debate is lost on more than a few guys around here, especially outside of that inner ring. Use the ignore button to your benefit, it will save you time and stress.
Mayocks is a good example of what a pro scouts scouting report should sound like. He's very precise on what he sees as good and bad tendencies. He's very specific about players technique. What they are doning wrong. Of it's something coaching can or cannot fix.
The other guy sounds like just another uneducated message board poster spouting off his opinion.
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Yeh it's because you are new. :mariopalm: who even looks at sign up dates? Most of the time I don't even look at who the poster is until after I have read the post.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Texian
Hall of Fame
Sorry to disappoint, I have missed on my fair share. Two of my most recent is JJ Watt and Aldon Smith, no way no how, did I ever see just how dominant they've become.
Greg Cosell weighs in all the QBs here in this interview from earlier. Another guy you all can call an idiot and prove why you are better than him. :P
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/23/greg-cosell-looks-at-texans-qb-issues-ahead-at-the-draft/
Definitely seemed pretty objective in all his opinions, didn't really break anything down into detail though.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/23/greg-cosell-looks-at-texans-qb-issues-ahead-at-the-draft/
Definitely seemed pretty objective in all his opinions, didn't really break anything down into detail though.
Texian
Hall of Fame
IMHO Greg Cosell is probably the best evaluator out there.
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Basically he said this about all the prospects...
TB:
Slight build
will come in shorter than 6'3...somewhere around 6'1
Good not elite arm strength but will be a good starting qb in the NFL
mentions nothing about his throwing motion....says its fine
Manziel:
smallish
Says manziel didn't really know his offense...based that on seeing Manziel not throwing the ball when he should've too many times..implied he misses windows & the like....leap of faith prospect...
Bortles:
Good tools to work with
Solid pocket passer type
doesn't know if he's worth taking 1:1 based on him not being sure if he can ascend to all pro status in the NFL.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Shaub - not as bad as thought in Houston. Better than his results.
Keenum - Eye of the beholder type. Good for those liking unstructured play. Not so much for prototypical pocket passers.
Manziel - Eye of the beholder type. Good for those liking unstructured play. Not so much for prototypical pocket passers. Some concern he doesn't know his offense.
Bridgewater - NFL caliber, but likely to be 6'1" and smallish. Good, but not great arm.
Bortles - Better measurables, but will leave you wanting more.
Mallet - Great Arm, but not mobile, even within the pocket.
Couch - System guy with limitations which must be worked around.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Couch == Cousins, right? He also mentioned that Cousins doesn't have a great arm and there are some throws you don't want him making.
bhsman
Rookie
Except that you are crucifying Kollmann for 'being fooled' on Barkley when even a cursory glance at Mayock's board shows that Mike was equally 'fooled.'
I think you overreacted a bit to his criticism of Manziel (I admit I wanted to correct him during the 'loft it to Evans' bits despite it being a recording of a radio show) and him gushing about Teddy, but you are a fool if you think he's some talking head who just regurgitates what he hears. You didn't respond to matt290's breakdown of Brett's, well, breakdown of a play, so I'll assume you just got owned and have nothing to say to it.
You are coming off less and less as a neutral debater here and more and more like a fiercely overly-protective Manziel fan, and I say this as someone who likes Manziel.
Or that he's simply regurgitating what others (like Mayock) have said.
I gave an example of a review by the same guy, about the same time of the year, for the same position. Am I saying it's indicative of all of his evaluations? No. Am I saying that his misses correlate with the big name "evaluators" out there? Sure looks that way.
Want to stand out as a great judge of talent? You do it by finding the diamonds in the rough and going against the grain at times. Show me his big surprise hit that no one else caught and I'll be more impressed with his "skills".
Except that you are crucifying Kollmann for 'being fooled' on Barkley when even a cursory glance at Mayock's board shows that Mike was equally 'fooled.'
I think you overreacted a bit to his criticism of Manziel (I admit I wanted to correct him during the 'loft it to Evans' bits despite it being a recording of a radio show) and him gushing about Teddy, but you are a fool if you think he's some talking head who just regurgitates what he hears. You didn't respond to matt290's breakdown of Brett's, well, breakdown of a play, so I'll assume you just got owned and have nothing to say to it.
You are coming off less and less as a neutral debater here and more and more like a fiercely overly-protective Manziel fan, and I say this as someone who likes Manziel.
Show me where I said anything about Barkley. And I haven't got owned by anyone. Don't need to waste my time arguing with someone who thinks that is a breakdown of a play.
I could care less how I come off to you. The point is he isn't a talent evaluater. He is a reporter. He reports what he reads and hears. It's blatently obvious when he says things like Manziel just heaves it up to Evans all the time. That proves he doesn't watch the games and that he has no real contact with any real knowledgable football people.
Enjoy wasting your time listening to **** like that I have better things to do.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Yes Cousins. Memory failed.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Don't understand the Kirk Cousins love that a lot of people have. He's not chopped liver but he has not been some super impressive player when he's gotten onto the field. This guy is gonna Matt Flynn his way into a contract and probably turn into a below average NFL starter.
bhsman
Rookie
So you ARE hurt about what he said about Manziel. Thanks for clarifying, at least.
...is this a joke? He literally works for NFL Network as a scout. If you continue to claim that he's 'just a reporter' then I'll say you're full of ****, every time.
Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. It makes you look like an idiot.
Im not hurt about anything. I think you're the ones that's hurt. You sure are upset that I'm exposing this hack. What are you attracted to him? No matter how much you defend him he isn't going to let you join in with him and Bridgewater.
If you continue to pass off half-assed analysis as something competent, I'll continue to call it out as such.
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Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. It makes you look like an idiot.
bhsman
Rookie
You didn't even bother you listen to his entire analysis and have been desperately trying to pass him off as some sort of Skip Bayless with nothing to back it up other than "Ugh he said Manziel just heaves it up to Evans WHAT A HACK."
I don't agree with Kollmann on everything (read: Manziel) but I know better than to take half-assed analysis and let it ferment up my butt before telling everyone how grumpy I am about it.
If you continue to pass off half-assed analysis as something competent, I'll continue to call it out as such.
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Brett Kollmann's Overview
Current
Contributing Writer at SB Nation
Production Assistant Intern at NFL Network
Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. It makes you look like an idiot.
Have you always been this dumb or have there been substances involved?
Its funny that you think that paragraph is dumb because it was made up of quotes I got from you. The only thing worse than his wanna be scouting is how stupid you make yourself look every time you open your mouth.
dert te der!!!!!!!!!
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
revan
Waterboy
I usually dont but that day they were like a bad car wreck, no matter how bad you just couldnt look away.
Rick Smith is still here so it's not a new regime.
Garappolo reminds me of Cousins with a quicker release. Great 2-3rd rd pick.
TexansFTW
Veteran
lol. Turrible.
Lot of coach speak. He's gonna be an extremely boring interview in the NFL. Hopefully if we draft him he brings plenty of W's to appease me. FYI, I'm a huge Richard Sherman fan.
lol, agreed. Kirk Cousins sucks FYI.
Man of we draft him you know this sight is going to be overloaded with those pics. I don't give a **** as long as he's winning games for us.
bhsman
Rookie
You can fling poop like the smartest monkey in the cage all you want, you scubberdegullion, but as long as you refused to acknowledge posts like these from people who weren't petulant children and listened to the whole thing:
matts290 on page 60 said:
...well, I don't know, I guess I can just leave it at petulant child. You can continue to cry 'Hack!' but that kind of play breakdown isn't something you can expect Skip Bayless to do. You can expect Skip Bayless to act like he knows what he's talking about.
Please don't talk about things you know nothing about, it makes you look like an idiot.
Please don't tell me that is your manchild mating call. I'd hate to think of you having children.
As someone pointed out, this is nice but just comes off as fluff.
If anyone cares for more of Kollmann's analysis on Teddy, this piece from back in late November is his initial scouting report.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
There is good reason for those shots, they were for a college paper.
I know but you know it's going to be used by opposing fans.
You can fling poop like the smartest monkey in the cage all you want, you scubberdegullion, but as long as you refused to acknowledge posts like these from people who weren't petulant children and listened to the whole thing:
...well, I don't know, I guess I can just leave it at petulant child. You can continue to cry 'Hack!' but that kind of play breakdown isn't something you can expect Skip Bayless to do. You can expect Skip Bayless to act like he knows what he's talking about.
Please don't talk about things you know nothing about, it makes you look like an idiot.
Please don't tell me that is your manchild mating call. I'd hate to think of you having children.
As someone pointed out, this is nice but just comes off as fluff.
If anyone cares for more of Kollmann's analysis on Teddy, this piece from back in late November is his initial scouting report.
Nobody cares what this web site WRITER / underling has to say. Stop pimping his garbage. He's never going to love you back no matter what you do.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
When you're weary
Feeling his hands are small
When tears are in Aggies eyes
I will dry them all
I'm on the 210 pound side
When the bliz gets rough
And deep balls just can't be found
Like a Bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Like a Bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
When you're down and out
When Schaub is on the street
When evening falls so hard
I will bring southern comfort for you
It took your heart
When darkness comes at 2-14
And pain is all around
Like a bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Like a bridge over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Sail on Louisville guy,
Sail on by
Your time has come to shine
All your dreams are on their way
Feeling his hands are small
When tears are in Aggies eyes
I will dry them all
I'm on the 210 pound side
When the bliz gets rough
And deep balls just can't be found
Like a Bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Like a Bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
When you're down and out
When Schaub is on the street
When evening falls so hard
I will bring southern comfort for you
It took your heart
When darkness comes at 2-14
And pain is all around
Like a bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Like a bridge over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Sail on Louisville guy,
Sail on by
Your time has come to shine
All your dreams are on their way
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bhsman
Rookie
When you're weary
Feeling his hands are small
When tears are in Aggies eyes
I will dry them all
I'm on the 210 pound side
When the bliz gets rough
And deep balls just can't be found
Like a Bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Like a Bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
When you're down and out
When Schaub is on the street
When evening falls so hard
I will bring southern comfort for you
It took your heart
When darkness comes at 2-14
And pain is all around
Like a bridgewater over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Like a bridge over a troubled offense
it's another Texan first down
Sail on Louisville guy,
Sail on by
Your time has come to shine
All your dreams are on their way
Nice!
As a guy who does scouting for the NFL Network, there are people who have read it reports before in lead-ups to the draft and might value his opinion over...well, you, I guess. Nobody is forcing you to click it, so piss off.
Feel free to actually address the breakdown he gave and point out which parts of it are incorrect. I'm in no rush.
EDIT: I realize this little feud of ours is anything but productive, but don't get in a huff for me linking the guy's other work for people to read. I'm not pimping Todd McShay or anything.
Still sticking with the "he's a scout for NFL network" crap huh? And I don't need to address anything. He lost all credibility With me when he made ridiculous statements about Manziel and Bridgewater. No credible source make statements like that.
bhsman
Rookie
Yes, he does film analysis for the NFL Network and in particular was asked to do a series of scouting reports for them on several defensive prospects last year, including, but not limited to:
-Alex Okafor
-Arthur Brown
-Xavier Gooden
-Datone Jones
-Dion Jordan
-And others. Just google his name + a defensive prospect from last year (particularly linebackers and linemen) and it'll likely be the first link to pick from.
He's a scout, deal with it. However, he's not only a scout but also knows his X's and O's, particularly his analysis of the 2013 Seahawks secondary which - as a few have pointed out - is exactly what the Texans did to build their huge lead against them in the first half this year. The man has talent and experience and knows what he's talking about. Stop talking about things that you know nothing about.
You are transparently and overtly defensive because he doesn't like what he sees in Manziel's tape. You disagree with him; hell, I disagree with him. And that's fine, but don't use that as motivation to claim:
A) He's some no-nothing talking head; and
B) He should be ignored outright
Because you are - guess what - wrong, wrong, wrong-ity wrong. You are letting your emotions get the better of you and ignoring the real key of what he was saying about Manziel: that ultimately he is not nearly as good a fit for the type of offense O'Brien runs compared to Bridgewater.
I think Manziel has an underrated and fierce football intelligence and sees the field better than almost any other QB in college, but Bridgewater's skill-set and experience in a pro-system makes him a better fit. Even the football savant comment isn't that far off when you look into his background at Louisville. Manziel should go to a place like Minnesota or Cleveland (especially if they get Kubiak as an OC as has been rumored very recently) where they incorporate more West Coast concepts and can make direct use of his mobility and vision while running on boots and play action.
If nothing else, at least respect someone else's goddamn opinion about wanting to even link his other work without getting in a huff because he insulted your golden boy.
In the meantime, I'm still waiting for you to address matt290's post. Good day.
...is this a joke? He literally works for NFL Network as a Production Assistant Intern. If you continue to claim that he's a scout then I'll say you're full of ****, every time.
Brett Kollmann's Overview
Current
Contributing Writer at SB Nation
Production Assistant Intern at NFL Network
Yeesh, buddy.
So you ARE hurt about what I said about Kollmann. Thanks for clarifying, at least. Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. It makes you look like an idiot. Have you always been this dumb or have there been substances involved?
At least then you would be pimpin a REAL scout!
Anxiously awaiting your reply. This is FUN!!!!!!
bhsman
Rookie
Seeing as mussop actually can't respond to legitimate arguments re: Kollmann's knowledge of X's and O's, etc. this IS the last post. I sincerely apologize to anyone who had to read this tripe from the two of us.
Your only response is to steal material and continue to ignore mind and matt290's factual assertions?
I don't know about your day job trying to fit round blocks into holes for the nice people in white coats but I wouldn't recommend being a comedian as a career path. Get bent.
Your only response is to steal material and continue to ignore mind and matt290's factual assertions?
I don't know about your day job trying to fit round blocks into holes for the nice people in white coats but I wouldn't recommend being a comedian as a career path. Get bent.
revan
Waterboy
Very good interview. I like how he set his goals and worked hard to achieve them.
Yeah thanks for posting the text of that interview bOODRO87, I watched the video but the guy holding the camera was so shaky it was giving me motion sickness
One thing I notice about Teddy is he seems like the strong silent type, definitely not a charismatic interviewer, not that it really matters but I have seen some idiots on other sites claim he is "dumb" because of how he interviews.
One thing I notice about Teddy is he seems like the strong silent type, definitely not a charismatic interviewer, not that it really matters but I have seen some idiots on other sites claim he is "dumb" because of how he interviews.
bhsman
Rookie
A lot of it, like the other interview, comes off as just fluff. That said, it's interesting that he talked about using his legs better; he already has a perfect or near-perfect drop back for an NFL prospect, so him feeling like he has more to learn is intriguing. If doing that allows him to plant better and throw deeper with greater accuracy...well, I'm torn enough over preferring Clowney.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Yeah thanks for posting the text of that interview bOODRO87, I watched the video but the guy holding the camera was so shaky it was giving me motion sickness
One thing I notice about Teddy is he seems like the strong silent type, definitely not a charismatic interviewer, not that it really matters but I have seen some idiots on other sites claim he is "dumb" because of how he interviews.
Someone sad he's a football savant .
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Yeah thanks for posting the text of that interview bOODRO87, I watched the video but the guy holding the camera was so shaky it was giving me motion sickness
One thing I notice about Teddy is he seems like the strong silent type, definitely not a charismatic interviewer, not that it really matters but I have seen some idiots on other sites claim he is "dumb" because of how he interviews.
Not to mention the headroom! It was atrocious. Why do I want to look at the ceiling?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'd rather his talents be on the field rather than impressing reporters off the field. Football IQ is making me lean toward him as the best QB, but I'm still not convinced he's the best pick at 1-1.
Seeing as mussop actually can't respond to legitimate arguments re: Kollmann's knowledge of X's and O's, etc. this IS the last post. I sincerely apologize to anyone who had to read this tripe from the two of us.
Your only response is to steal material and continue to ignore mind and matt290's factual assertions?
He is an intern. When he actually becomes a scout I will respond. And don't use knowledge and Kollmann in the same sentence. He's not worthy. Anyone can repeat crap they have read on the internet, it doesn't make them knowledgeable. Get Bent!
Like I pointed out in my post before, he really gave a great analysis on the verbiage that O'Brien builds into his playbook. When we first hired O'Brien I looked up a lot of his offensive philosophies and what he ran in NE and Penn St, and that Kollmann interview was the first time I had heard about his use of one-word WR hot checks at the LOS...so it definitely wasn't just some crap he read on wiki and spouted back out on the air.
But you hate him and nobody is changing your mind obviously, so it is probably best to move on.
Like I pointed out in my post before, he really gave a great analysis on the verbiage that O'Brien builds into his playbook. When we first hired O'Brien I looked up a lot of his offensive philosophies and what he ran in NE and Penn St, and that Kollmann interview was the first time I had heard about his use of one-word WR hot checks at the LOS...so it definitely wasn't just some crap he read on wiki and spouted back out on the air.
But you hate him and nobody is changing your mind obviously, so it is probably best to move on.
Actually I don't hate him as a writer. Just don't think much of his scouting abilities and the way he presents them.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
As others have said, and I think you will agree with this, he's not the best "football player" in general in the draft. Technique/talent combo wise there are guys who are much better than him but at his position he is thought to be the overall best, and since his position is the most important in the NFL...
That's the kind of thought process that really should be going through the FO's head while they mull over trading picks.