Surprised and disappointed in McNair

[wrestler4life]

I say quit complaining! Everyone has wanted him (McNair) to do something to let everyone know that change is on the way, and that he was not going to stand for these types of performances, by anyone.
And now, all you can do is complain about how he does it?!?
You are never going to be satisfied. Quit looking for the negative.

 

[Coach C.]

Man this is how business works. This happens alot at most fortune 500 companies. It is how you stay sharp and stay on top, or get to the top. I think the way McNair has handled this season and this situation is impressive and makes it easy to understand why he is a billionaire and has one of the highest grossing teams in the league. You want to be treated fairly from a corporation start your own, if you are going to work for someone you are expendable if you dont do your job. GET OVER IT PEOPLE...

 

[Runner]

I'd like to feel sorry for them, but I can't. The way Pendry abuses his power when he puts good players in a season long doghouse is inexcusable. These are young men who have one shot to make it in this league, and this sort of action can ruin a career. The average NFL career is around 3-4 years; if a player is black balled from playing in that time he may never get a chance to generate the film necessary to get interest from another team.

Capers did not stop this by allowing Pendry to start players such as Victor Riley every game possible, even though he was clearly a very poor lineman at this point in his career and uninterested in doing the work required to lose weight and improve.

Casserly in turn did not stop this nonsense of starting inferior players in loss after loss.

This staff is not being treated any worse than the Wand, Armstrong, Morency, Murphy, and Ragone type of players. Some of these guys deserved significant playing time/starting roles; others should have at least had a chance in some of our blowouts.

If the coaches and staff are PO'd, tough. They brought it on themselves.

 

[El Tejano]

Again, there were needs to this team that weren't addressed for really bad reasons. Those neglections caused this team to set back. Charlie and Dom did this to themselves.

 

[Coach C.]

I'd like to feel sorry for them, but I can't. The way Pendry abuses his power when he puts good players in a season long doghouse is inexcusable. These are young men who have one shot to make it in this league, and this sort of action can ruin a career. The average NFL career is around 3-4 years; if a player is black balled from playing in that time he may never get a chance to generate the film necessary to get interest from another team.

Capers did not stop this by allowing Pendry to start players such as Victor Riley every game possible, even though he was clearly a very poor lineman at this point in his career and uninterested in doing the work required to lose weight and improve.

Casserly in turn did not stop this nonsense of starting inferior players in loss after loss.

This staff is not being treated any worse than the Wand, Armstrong, Morency, Murphy, and Ragone type of players. Some of these guys deserved significant playing time/starting roles; others should have at least had a chance in some of our blowouts.

If the coaches and staff are PO'd, tough. They brought it on themselves.

Wand, Murphy, and Ragone dont play because they are not very good. Morency and Armstrong should get more touches, but they dont in our system it is just tough.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

This article does have a McClain touch to it.

 

[Grid]

boy.. the old saying goes "you cant please all the people, all the time".

but on this board its more like "you cant please all the people, ever... you will be lucky to please half"

get over it. In my opinion.. any semblance of respect that could have been maintained was lost when the Pbuch fiasco came to the surface. If you want to be treated like a professional..act like one.

 

[Runner]

Wand, Murphy, and Ragone dont play because they are not very good. Morency and Armstrong should get more touches, but they dont in our system it is just tough.

Yes - that Riley upgrade sure turned out well. How do we know about Ragone? Would it have hurt this team's stellar record if he had played in any of the games we got blown out of early in the year? Heck, would it have hurt if he had played in a close game that we lost? Carr had 6 net yards passing in one game. I think Ragone may have approached that number, given a chance.

 

[Frills]

The C's have humiliated the fans with what they put on the field this season...what goes around comes around

 

[TexanAlmighty]

I just posted the article. I like what Mcnair did.

 

[Coach C.]

Yes - that Riley upgrade sure turned out well. How do we know about Ragone? Would it have hurt this team's stellar record if he had played in any of the games we got blown out of early in the year? Heck, would it have hurt if he had played in a close game that we lost? Carr had 6 net yards passing in one game. I think Ragone may have approached that number, given a chance.

In the NFL you play your starters. The backups escpecially Third Stringers see the field in worst case scenarios. Mainly Injury or if he proved in practice he should see more reps. Obviously neither did. The Riley move was assinine and it probably cost us 3 wins in itself. Wand has looked terrible when he has played this year.

 

[Marcus]

The way Pendry abuses his power when he puts good players in a season long doghouse is inexcusable. These are young men who have one shot to make it in this league, and this sort of action can ruin a career. The average NFL career is around 3-4 years; if a player is black balled from playing in that time he may never get a chance to generate the film necessary to get interest from another team.

Do you mind elaborating on that? Who exactly is in Pendry's "doghouse" and why?

 

[Coach C.]

Do you mind elaborating on that? Who exactly is in Pendry's "doghouse" and why?

How would he know he is not Pendry and does not work for the Texans. Honestly there are about a handful of people on this board that actually know what goes on with the Texans organization, meaning they work for, with, or are relatives of Texans people. I am not saying who and I am not claiming to be one of them, but let's remember that most of this is speculation.

 

[Cjeremy635]

I just posted the article. I like what Mcnair did.

I agree with what he did as well. It seems like a lot of people complain that he should fire C & C midseason or at the end, and when he brings in someone to truly asses the situation, you talk about how classless it was from an owner. That is just crappy as a fan. He could have fired them but instead he brought in someone to see them through to the end of the season while allowing them to finish their year out without the embarassment of being fired in stride. I personally think that Reeve's will have some role here next year, as what who know's, but it was a smart move to have someone here early enough to see how things are done and evaluate players in live game situations rather than just looking at tapes. I think this will turn out to help this team a lot next year. Here's to 06 baby!!!!! Go TEXANS.....

 

[CoachV]

I have always felt that McNair was hearing different things from CC & DC.

The biggest priority he faces short term isn't the draft. It is whether or not David Carr is worth paying $8mm to keep or let him go. Even to McNair, that's a serious bunch of money.

I believe that he brought Reeves in because as a coach twice before he made trades to get a QB. Once to take Elway off the Colts hands and once to get Vick from San Diego. I think Reeves first consulting job ("looking at film" was your first indication) was to determine whether or not you fish or cut bait with David Carr.

 

[Runner]

In the NFL you play your starters. The backups escpecially Third Stringers see the field in worst case scenarios. Mainly Injury or if he proved in practice he should see more reps. Obviously neither did. The Riley move was assinine and it probably cost us 3 wins in itself. Wand has looked terrible when he has played this year.

IMHO "1-12" and "worse case scenario" are nearly synonymous.

It is my point that some of our designated "starters" shouldn't be. Some of those throws to Bradford should have ended up in Armstrong's hands, for example. Armstrong is a good possesion receiver. Since we don't use a tight end for that purpose, maybe our coaches should look at using a WRs strengths to fill that role.

Also, when you are playing so badly and are behind by a lot of points in the fourth quarter, why not play people who might add a spark? I hate to think the only way a "starter" ever leaves the field is because of injury. Jeez, Mack would still be our running back and DD would be Morency if that were the case.

Terrible and horrible can bandied around a lot here, but some of these guys get to play a handful of downs spread over 3-4 games. Not the best way to bring out the best in anyone. As you said, the Riley move was assinine. He took a lot of starts and significant playing time away from someone who is better than him. Even if Wand isn't the greatest, he was better than Riley at left tackle. Wand also could have been on the same type of upswing that Pitts had in his first 2-3 years; however we'll never know because we played Victor Riley instead.

 

[Runner]

How would he know he is not Pendry and does not work for the Texans. Honestly there are about a handful of people on this board that actually know what goes on with the Texans organization, meaning they work for, with, or are relatives of Texans people. I am not saying who and I am not claiming to be one of them, but let's remember that most of this is speculation.

Am I allowed to post speculation, or just you? For that matter, what do you know about me? There is no need to attack the poster. You say a lot of things with an absolute certainty that I doubt you have, but I don't think I've ever done anything except debate your conclusions or let them slide.

Why the hostility?

 

[Coach C.]

Am I allowed to post speculation, or just you? For that matter, what do you know about me? There is no need to attack the poster. You say a lot of things with an absolute certainty that I doubt you have, but I don't think I've ever done anything except debate your conclusions or let them slide.

Why the hostility?

Runner I did not mean for you to feel attacked, I was just making a point. I think you usually think before you post and are relatively solid. Whether I agree or not does not matter you are entitled to your opinion. Man check my post I dont attack people just ask them to explain. Dont feel attacked man.

 

[Runner]

Do you mind elaborating on that? Who exactly is in Pendry's "doghouse" and why?

I've posted some of that in other threads, and I don't think I'll go into it here right now. I pm'd you some links since you are interested. However, I thought I'd reprise one of my previous posts.

It is time for me to come clean.

Ok. I admit it. I've never watched a Texans game. However, I am a bit of an amateur cryptanalyst, and this is what I do. I glean what data I can from the following sources:

1) Texan talk over drinks
2) Water cooler discussion
3) Newspaper articles
4) Radio shows (I don't listen to any play-by-play)
5) TV news (but I don't watch the replays)
6) Discussion with various and sundry people who know something about the Texans
7) Texan message boards

I take this data and reconstruct what I think may have happened during the game in my head. I then comment on this reconstruction.

As an aside, there are those on this board who would make excellent cryptographers. Many posts do an excellent job of obfuscating what really happened in the game. Congratulations!

 

[Bobo]

If you really think the NFL owners care at all what you think about how they run their teams...well, I have a bridge to sell you.

I don't think that's quite the case. If a majority of fans don't like a decision made by the owner, they may just not renew their season tix the following year. That would mean the blackout would be lifted and TV would be out -- killing the revenue streams from purchased TV advertising. As I've said previously, if the Texans hire Kubiak as HC, I would consider not renewing my season tix. If there are others out there who would do the same and there aren't enough folks there to replace them, the the owner is in for a tough time.

 

[tulexan]

I don't think that's quite the case. If a majority of fans don't like a decision made by the owner, they may just not renew their season tix the following year.

Then a bunch of new people would buy those season tickets. There are plenty of people in this city who would love to have season tickets but don't. People not renewing their season tickets would just mean that there would be a different group of fans in the stadium, just not the ones who were their the past few seasons.

 

[infantrycak]

This may be rare, but IMO bobo is right (sorry all the slavish coaching is just fine posts mandated the caveat)--owners generally and McNair in particular care about what the fans think. Doesn't mean they will slavishly follow whatever internet stupidity the herd is spouting, but they know at times moves have to be made for marketing/business/opinion of the fan purposes.

 

[Bobo]

Then a bunch of new people would buy those season tickets. There are plenty of people in this city who would love to have season tickets but don't. People not renewing their season tickets would just mean that there would be a different group of fans in the stadium, just not the ones who were their the past few seasons.

To assume a NFL team will sell out their season tickets just because it's an NFL team is not a good assumption to make.

 

[aj.]

Honestly there are about a handful of people on this board that actually know what goes on with the Texans organization, meaning they work for, with, or are relatives of Texans people. I am not saying who and I am not claiming to be one of them, but let's remember that most of this is speculation.

Dang, almost 2,000 active members and only a handful of people here actually know what's going on. Why have I been wasting my time here all these years?

 

[Double Barrel]

Dang, almost 2,000 active members and only a handful of people here actually know what's going on. Why have I been wasting my time here all these years?

We need you here aj! You're one of the handful!

 

[alphajoker]

For the first time I was really surprised and disappointed at the actions of Bob McNair. I had considered him to be a first class type of guy. I have NO PROBLEM with the actions he took yesterday in hiring Reeves. As a matter of fact I am glad he took action. I have a lot of problems with the way he did it.

The thing is, he could have done all he did without humiliating both Casserly and Capers. No one outside of the organization even had to know he had hired a consultant at this time to evaluate everyone. If it leaked out, so be it. Let everyone speculate. They will anyway.

The whole NFL is watching. How would you feel about becoming the next group of coaches or general manager if you had witnessed yesterdays fiasco? He took both Capers and Casserely and held them up for public ridicule unnecessarily.

I thought both Casserly and Capers showed what kind of peple they really are. Can you imagine how difficult it must have been to sit through that conference? While I'm not happy with their job performance, they are both CLASS people and have my respect. As they both are still under contract to him they had no choice but to show up for the conference. How would you feel if you knew you were going to be fired but were ordered to show up for the public announcement. I would just tell him to stick it and walk out the door. Maybe that was the hoped for result.

I know some of you will say he did this to appease the fans. At this point all the tickets are still sold. He has plenty of time to right the ship before he will take a hit in the pocketbook. If you really think the NFL owners care at all what you think about how they run their teams...well, I have a bridge to sell you.

Like I said at the beginning: I have no problem with what he did. I think there were better ways to do it.

O.K., blast away.

sensei

Bob Sugar: It's not "show friends." It's show *business*.-Jerry Maguire

I'm all for it!!

 

[Wolf]

Bob is getting a feel for the team NOW.. january is too late..

Reeves is here to do one thing

Is Carr the answer??? well we better know by draft time
Is DD the answer?? well we better know by draft time.

Is Casserly the answer?
McKinney?
Walker?
Payne


Reeves is here to say who is pulling weight and who isn't... As Jack Nicholson in "Batman" said.. " This team (town) needs and enama"

 

[Bobo]

Bob is getting a feel for the team NOW.. january is too late..

Reeves is here to do one thing

Is Carr the answer??? well we better know by draft time
Is DD the answer?? well we better know by draft time.

Is Casserly the answer?
McKinney?
Walker?
Payne


Reeves is here to say who is pulling weight and who isn't... As Jack Nicholson in "Batman" said.. " This team (town) needs and enama"

I don't think Reeves is looking at the skill positions too much. DD is more than pulling his weight. Andre Johnson's place is settled and Carr has shown his ability to do well when given the opportunity to throw. It's the defense and o-line that is being read at this point.

 

[aj.]

We need you here aj! You're one of the handful!

Sorry... I just speculate and offer opinion (and the occasional smart *** remark) like the majority of people on here.

 

[Double Barrel]

I don't think Reeves is looking at the skill positions too much.

And on what do you base this opinion? I haven't read anywhere on what, exactly, Reeves is giving Mr. McNair consultation.