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Superbowl: maybe this is out of line, but...

He "scores a touchdown that even Ed Hochuli (sp?) would have called down at the 1 inch line.
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I watched that replay again in slow motion... the tip of the ball passed the line. Even if it didnt quite pass the line..it was close enough to be called inconclusive.. in which case the call on the field stands.

The Steelers didnt win the game on Big Ben's shoulders.. they won it by their defense.. which even though they didnt get great pressure on Hasselbeck.. their secondary was either AMAZING in pass coverage..or the seattle receivers couldnt figure out how to get open..or hasselbeck just wouldnt take a chance throwing the ball.

Whatever the case..Seattle lost because they didnt take advantage of their chances to make plays, and as a result..the Steelers defense held them to 10 points. The steelers offense on the other hand had just a few big plays..but it was enough to score 21 points.

SO.. yah..it was pretty fair I thought. Only play I saw that could have changed the game was the offensive pass interferance call on the Seattle touchdown early in the game. I thought it should have been a TD..but even that is questionable..there was a little push..I just didnt think it was enough to penalize.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
What signal does the referee make when he calls a false TD? :)
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If you noticed, the line judge who finally made the call did not signal touchdown until after Rostlesberger picked the ball up and placed it across the goal line while he was lying on his stomach. The ref was running along the goal line with his arms down towards Rostleberger seemingly consfused and unsure, (that's the signal for a false TD perhaps). In my opinion, it was not a touchdown. But, with that said, I think Pittsburgh would have gone for it on 4th and 1 inch and would have scored anyway.

I totally forgot about Rostleberger calling time-out with zero on the play clock. The Steelers got all the calls yesterday. But oh well, at least I did not have any money on the game so its no skin off my nose.
 
gwallaia said:
In my opinion, it was not a touchdown. But, with that said, I think Pittsburgh would have gone for it on 4th and 1 inch and would have scored anyway.
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The problem I have with that is if they were going to score anyway, why not score when it was 1st and goal from the 3 or 2nd and goal from the 1?

If it's such a given, shouldn't they have scored before the controversy?

And in that situation (behind by 3, mid-way through the 2nd), does Cowher go for it after getting stumped 3 plays in a row or does he kick the FG instead to tie the game?
 
Double Barrel said:
The officiating was horrible, but I chaulk it up to human error over a grand CON$spiracy.

The NFL has too much to lose to throw games. Their entire product rests on the fact that the public believes it it a legitimate product. Without that trust, pro football becomes a house of cards and would be no more valid than professional wrestling.
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I second this opinion. The NFL has too much to lose to fix games. I am not saying that it is impossible that we wouldn't know about it, only that it is very unlikely, and it would redefine the league were it leaked out that some or all of the games were actually fixed.

Still, it was bad. No way Roethlisberger crossed any part of the line, and Darrell Jackson's PI was about as incidental as contact gets. Whether or not the refs were pulling for the Steelers or all of their bad calls just happened to fall in their favor, it was bad, and it cost Seattle most of their chance at the win.

Edit: As Vinny and others have pointed out, sure, the NFL is about money, but it would take a lot to keep a conspiracy of this order hidden, and all it takes is one greedy buffoon to blow the lid on the entire show. No way.
 
TheOgre said:
I actually think they made the right call on Ben's run. When they froze the shot with him holding the ball over the line (about 1 to 2 inches) it seemed pretty clear to me. That said, there were so many other HORRIBLE (not even borderline) calls in this game, I feel like I just wasted a day watching a wrestling match (pre-determined). I'm almost positive that this game wasn't rigged, but it has actually seemed like a possibility after this postseason. I feel cheated as a fan and I actually had money on Pittsburgh.
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I can see someone saying that it wasnt conclusive enough to over turn although I disagree. I cant see or havent seen anyone say that it was clearly a TD.

No way it was clearly a TD. I have no idea what you saw.
 
It really comes down to this. Why continue to let these CEO's officiate games when we could have full-time, professional referees? It just seems to me that you spend so much on every aspect of your product, why get cheap when it comes to the rule enforcers (refs)?
 
goodness said:
Whatever. His left foot was obviously in and I saw his right foot kick the pylon. It's very clear that the pylon moves after the right foot kicks it. That's a touchdown.
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Huh?

The WR never established possession with both feet down in the field of play or the end zone. Kicking the pylon does not count towards establishing possession. If the WR had both feet down then hit the pylon, then yes, it would be a TD.

Adding this play to the "conspiracy" theory only proves people are reaching to build a conclusion to their hypothesis.

There was only one bad ref call against Seattle, and that was the low block on Hasselbeck after the INT. Call it even though, as Seattle got away with a block in the back (against Roethlisberger) that wasn't called on their 76 yard INT return.
 
HoustonFrog said:
1) D. Jackson's TD that was overturned was ticky tack and should have not have been called. His arm was already extended when he barely touched him. They were both fighting for position. That is 7 points.

He clearly CHANGED DIRECTION as a direct result of that contact. It's also against the rules. As to the REALLY bad argument that Irvin used to get away with it...he's a BIG reason the rule exists today.

2) Rothlisberger--some said they saw the tip on the dive hit the line..I didn't see anything close. They might have gotten in on 4th down but who knows.

Two parts, It was REALLY close no matter how you look at it. In that case, you can't overturn it. Secondly (as mentioned) there was always 4th down to try again.

3) Two holding calls on punt returns that the announcers could not find

At least one of them was clearly visible, but was quite a bit BEHIND the play; that makes it a stupid penalty(on the Seahawks player), not a conspiracy.

4) (The biggest series and group of bad calls). Hassle hits the TE to the 1. Holding brings it back. Both Michaels and Madden said it was horrible and if you watch the play again Pitt was offside. So instead of having it first and goal at the 1 you have it 2nd and long and you get a sack. Third down interception followed by a BS penalty for blocking below the waist on the the tackle. This leads directly to a the Steeler TD from Randal El/

The holding wasn't nearly as questionable at full speed and it's simply NOT a reversible call. I WILL grant BS on the "blocking" call on Hasselbeck, though it was after the pick, and didn't affect change-of-possession.

5) The second D Jack TD before half. This one is a little more controversial but I couldn't believe they didn't at least replay it. If you watch it again it looks like his one foot is down and the other hits the pylon..TD.

He very CLEARLY had one foot down and the other one was OUT. Even if the foot hit the pylon, it wouldn't be a TD. He has to have a LEGAL catch FIRST. If he fails to establish the catch, he CAN'T have a TD. This is NO different than a corner Endzone route where the receiver gets one foot down and the second hits a pylon on it's way out of bounds...NEITHER is a catch.
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Not picking on you HF, you just had 'em all lumped together the cleanest...for which I give thanks.

If it was a conspiracy, there certainly were easier ways to accomplish it than this fiasco. MY beefs are mainly on officials taking too long to MAKE the call. This happened on the Seattle TD called back for the push off only AFTER the Pitt player complained...the play was OVER before the flag came out. The call was still legitimate, but poorly executed. The same is true on the BigBen TD...I still think the right call was made, but waiting until after Ben was down and had moved the ball BACK ACROSS the line makes it appear much MORE questionable.
 
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Shamrock said:
Huh?

The WR never established possession with both feet down in the field of play or the end zone. Kicking the pylon does not count towards establishing possession. If the WR had both feet down then hit the pylon, then yes, it would be a TD.

Adding this play to the "conspiracy" theory only proves people are reaching to build a conclusion to their hypothesis.

There was only one bad ref call against Seattle, and that was the low block on Hasselbeck after the INT. Call it even though, as Seattle got away with a block in the back (against Roethlisberger) that wasn't called on their 76 yard INT return.
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Kicking the pylon does establish possesion because the pylon is part of the field and is in play, however it didnt look like he touched it. And if Big Ben turns his back into the blocker, which he did, its not a block in the back.
 
Grid said:
I watched that replay again in slow motion... the tip of the ball passed the line. Even if it didnt quite pass the line..it was close enough to be called inconclusive.. in which case the call on the field stands.
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You couldn't see the tip of the ball because it was behind Ben's arm. As was stated previously, if the ref had stuck with his original call instead of changing it after Ben crossed the goal line (after being down), the play would have resulted in a 4th down at the one inch line. Now we all know what can happen with a rush at the goal line (see Steelers/Colts).
 
BigBull17 said:
I didnt see it move at all. I watched closly to the replay and it look right to me.
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HUH? I went back to the play and the pylon is totally knock out of the ground. Now it seemed to me that his left foot knocked it out, but to say it didn't move at all??? :confused:
 
the only incredibly bad call i saw was the low block penalty on hasselbeck. other than that, they're all arguable.

roethlisberger's td run looked to me to be in. the fault here is the sideline ref running in making 2 calls. what happpens in most cases is that ref will run in and not make the call until he's sure (or atleast has made up his mind on the guess), which is what he should've done here.

the offensive pass interference is a good call. yes, it is a ticky tak foul, but it is a foul and the key is that it happened 2 feet infront of the ref. he didnt call this one late, watch him again, he went to throw the flag the first time and missed getting it out of his pocket.

there were 2 big holding calls and they looked about the same to me. the RT DOES have one hand inside the pads, but his body and the other hand is behind the defender and the RT rides him into the ground.

they got hasselbeck's fumble corrected, and it must've been dang near impossible to see farrior's fingertips touching in full speed. i'm not putting fault on this one because they would've let the play go and wait for the other team to challenge 9 out of 10 times.

there are a couple calls that seem to be missing in these arguements though that stand out to me. there were 2 catch & fumbles that would've gone to the steelers. one in the first quarter (stevens i think) where he catches, turns, makes his move and chris hope unloads on him. the second one i want to say was in the 3rd quarter but i was getting a little tipsy at that point and things are a bit foggy.


either way, i think everybody looked bad. the steelers had no offense & couldnt generate a pass rush. seattle couldnt stop the big play on defense & went to a pass only offense (with WAY too many drops), and the refs were questionable again (which seems to be the theme of this season ... worst officiating ever).
 
Jack Bauer said:
HUH? I went back to the play and the pylon is totally knock out of the ground. Now it seemed to me that his left foot knocked it out, but to say it didn't move at all??? :confused:
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I dont remember it moving on the replay. But that was 2 days ago and we had to drink every time the comentators said somthing stupid. John Madden, need I say more.
 
Worst analogy ever, but nice try :) Address the points of the post
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I believe I addressed the context of the entire post in those few sentences. This would be a conspiracy to rival the JFK conspiracy in scope and size. I cannot fathum the possibility that anyone could suspect there was any kind of conspiracy going on. Just another BORING SB except for a few spots. And by the way...I would challenge you to find ONE post where I would be considered a PLUGGER for anything or anybody other than what's best for the team...and I'm open to anything that would turn around a 2-14 record. VY, or RB for that matter, might walk on water in some peoples eyes, but in my eyes they might be able to IF the water is frozen...and I don't believe football is the sport with THAT particular type of playing field. And for the record...that blue face with the rolling eyes ( :rolleyes: ) that I put on the post, it's a smiley for sarcasm. :)
 
BigBull17 said:
Kicking the pylon does establish possesion because the pylon is part of the field and is in play, however it didnt look like he touched it. And if Big Ben turns his back into the blocker, which he did, its not a block in the back.
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It does not.

Kicking the pylon would only count towards a TD if possession is already established. A player still must get both feet (or one shoulder, knee, etc) down to establish possession.
 
hahaha, that is great!! that was a very iffy call, i doubt it would have held up in regular season... the refs are only part time, they need committed full time refs to work these big games!!!! even in the college bowls the refs were awful!
But if you were drinking to celebrating, or drinking to drown your tears, or just up late debating the game... have you ever seriously thought about how cool it would be to have the monday after be a national holiday?
i mean, come on, 1.4 million people call out on the monday after the BIG GAME! check out www.savedaday.com <-- they are trying to petition to have the day after be a national holiday!!! SWEEEEET
 
Texan Asylum said:
I believe I addressed the context of the entire post in those few sentences. This would be a conspiracy to rival the JFK conspiracy in scope and size. I cannot fathum the possibility that anyone could suspect there was any kind of conspiracy going on. Just another BORING SB except for a few spots. And by the way...I would challenge you to find ONE post where I would be considered a PLUGGER for anything or anybody other than what's best for the team...and I'm open to anything that would turn around a 2-14 record. VY, or RB for that matter, might walk on water in some peoples eyes, but in my eyes they might be able to IF the water is frozen...and I don't believe football is the sport with THAT particular type of playing field. And for the record...that blue face with the rolling eyes ( :rolleyes: ) that I put on the post, it's a smiley for sarcasm. :)
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I know you're correct, there have never been any conspiracies in Utopia. I'm sure soon we'll find those WMD's in Iraq too. And that whole Monica/Bill thing, no coverup at all. Oh, that's politics ya say, this is real life, sports have always been on the up and up. So sayeth Pete Rose, or those Black Sox back early in the 20th century. You're right, I must say in your utopia, there is no way this could happen. Thanks for enlightening me with your sarcasm :)
 
I know you're correct, there have never been any conspiracies in Utopia.
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I, for one, DO believe in alot of conspiracies. But one in sports isn't one I have even considered worth exercising a brain cell over. Is it a business...yes and lots of decisions on players and personel are based on the business aspect and not the sportsmanship side of it. Ask a coach to try a different gameplan to achieve a more apreciated outcome...sure, I'de buy into that as going along with the business line of thought. But to try to pull off something as monumental as running a fixed game such as the Superbowl in todays day and age...I find that hard to believe. I might have been raised in a cave for all I know but that still would be hard to pull off IMHO. And as for the WMD's, I believe Saddam is as shocked as everyone else is that they aren't accounted for either. And if he isn't, I'de be looking to Syria for the trail. IMO
 
Huge said:
Neither team deserved to win this game.

Pittsburgh because they had a ton of calls handed to them:
  • It wasn't offensive pass interference
  • Roethlisberger did not make it into the endzone
  • It wasn't holding when Seattle should've had 1st and goal at the 1
  • Hasselbeck did not block the blocker below the waist...he made a tackle
  • Roethlisberger did not call time-out before the play clock expired...should've been 3rd and 11

Seattle because they continued to shoot themselves in the foot:
  • Two missed FGs (they were long FG's but still...)
  • Incredibly stupid clock managment at the ends of the 1st half and game
  • Dropped passes...mainly Jerramy Stevens
  • Dumb mistakes (legitimate penalties...like Alexander's false start after one of Stevens' drops)
  • Simply didn't make the plays when it mattered.

Terrible game to watch. Copies should be sold as cures for insomnia.
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Excellent post! It all boils down to this: The Steelers brought their A game, Seattle didn't. I was all for the Seahawks, but they were outplayed.

Case closed. :)
 
FILO_girl said:
The Steelers brought their A game
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They did? I thought both teams played poorly. Pittsburgh did just enough (three plays) to win the game. And we all know Herm says this is why we play.
 
The Steelers won because the officials saw that Roethlisberger was white. MMmm hmmmmm.
 
The Steelers won because the officials saw that Roethlisberger was white.
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I disagree strongly. I say the game was decided because the officials were prejudiced against QBs with receding hairlines. Possibly due to a disastrous experience with Trent Dilfer.

On another note, conspiracy theorists should take note of the fact that I called for the game to be decided before kickoff. :)
 
FILO_girl said:
The Steelers brought their A game, Seattle didn't. I was all for the Seahawks
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Grading on a bit of curve aren't we? :)

Both teams clearly played poorly. The only real difference outside the refs was the coaching.

Cowher's timely play calling and Holmgren's horrendous clock management were the real difference makers.
 
My barbers daughter has a good friend whos uncle was one of the camera operators at the superbowl. One of the camera operators best friends said he heard the camera operator tell his bartender that two of the refs were talking to each other about the super bowl coin toss. When Seattle won the toss one of the refs remarked to the other that the Seahawks wouldn't win another call all day. :challenge

Makes sense to me...:wacko:

Anybody in their right mind should understand that Tags would rather hand over the :trophy: to Mr "longtime NFL football family" Rooney than to hand it to Mr "newcomer" Paul Allen.

:jk: ( I think? )
 
Well my friends cousins boyfriends bothers fiances' mothers uncle on her dads side said the NFL assassinated Kennedy because he used the CIA to discover that the Superbowl was rigged.
 
I've got it from a dang good source that the ENTIRE Seahawks organization was behind the loss. They apparently threw the game cause they didn't want to be joked about cause they beat a measly # 6 seeded team going into the playoffs.:whistle:
 
FILO_girl said:
Excellent post! It all boils down to this: The Steelers brought their A game, Seattle didn't. I was all for the Seahawks, but they were outplayed.

Case closed. :)
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If the Steelers brought their "A game", would it be too much to expect at least a first down before the 2nd quarter?

They stunk it up as well.
 
Ya, make no mistake about it, the QB did not "lead" them to a Super Bowl victory.
 
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