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Superbowl: maybe this is out of line, but...

powerfuldragon

powerfuldragon

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Maybe this is out of line, but it seemed to me that the superbowl was a fix. Roethlisberger got a sub-Carr QB rating, and still wins the game. He "scores a touchdown that even Ed Hochuli (sp?) would have called down at the 1 inch line. The refs called holding against casper the friendly ghost, who's apparently playing for Seattle. They even tried to call a fumble on Hasslebeck on a play that Hellen Keller could have called correctly in a blizzard...

Don't get me wrong, i was rooting for the 'stainless' Steelers, but the entire NFL was wearing black and gold glasses.
 
Well, i though it was a touchdown as the ball appeared to touch the white line while he was in the air. The fumble was reversed and Seattle got the ball with a first down. The flag on the holding was called before the pass was completed. So I don't see it on these plays. The only call I thought was pretty cheap was the "push off" that resulted in the touchdown being called back. He did put his hand out and touch the defender, but it was pretty weak. I think you let that go in a championship game. Best team won the game.
 
PowerfulDragon said:
Maybe this is out of line, but it seemed to me that the superbowl was a fix. Roethlisberger got a sub-Carr QB rating, and still wins the game. He "scores a touchdown that even Ed Hochuli (sp?) would have called down at the 1 inch line. The refs called holding against casper the friendly ghost, who's apparently playing for Seattle. They even tried to call a fumble on Hasslebeck on a play that Hellen Keller could have called correctly in a blizzard...

Don't get me wrong, i was rooting for the 'stainless' Steelers, but the entire NFL was wearing black and gold glasses.
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I can definitely see how people might think this. I was a non-biased observer and it wouldn't take a lot to convince me that this game was fixed.
 
If he doesnt fully extend his arm its a TD. The hold was due to the angle. It looked like he pulled the OLB down from behind, and at full speed thats a hard call to make. And Seatle did all it could to lose the game. Horrible clock management, worse play calling, 2 missed FG, the recurence of the dropitis they had last year, the dude who flapped off to Joey Porter playing scared. They choked, they were out coached, and they got outplayed. See you next year and congrats on the great season Seatle.
 
Besides gambling I didn't have any care on who won but I agree that the game was horribly officiated and that it changed the outcome of the game. People can dispute all of these if they want but I think some are hard to

1) D. Jackson's TD that was overturned was ticky tack and should have not have been called. His arm was already extended when he barely touched him. They were both fighting for position. That is 7 points.

2) Rothlisberger--some said they saw the tip on the dive hit the line..I didn't see anything close. They might have gotten in on 4th down but who knows.

3) Two holding calls on punt returns that the announcers could not find

4) (The biggest series and group of bad calls). Hassle hits the TE to the 1. Holding brings it back. Both Michaels and Madden said it was horrible and if you watch the play again Pitt was offside. So instead of having it first and goal at the 1 you have it 2nd and long and you get a sack. Third down interception followed by a BS penalty for blocking below the waist on the the tackle. This leads directly to a the Steeler TD from Randal El/

5) The second D Jack TD before half. This one is a little more controversial but I couldn't believe they didn't at least replay it. If you watch it again it looks like his one foot is down and the other hits the pylon..TD.

So even if I give Steeler fan Roethlisberger and this last one with the pylon you still have two blatant calls that cost them 2 scores..the 2 scores they lost by. I'll never call a game a fix but these playoffs call to question the leagues refs. They need younger, full time guys. Having these cadavers, with the exception of Hulk Ed Hockely, who are insurance salesmen on the side are causing problems.
 
HoustonFrog said:
2) Rothlisberger--some said they saw the tip on the dive hit the line..I didn't see anything close. They might have gotten in on 4th down but who knows.
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i couldn't see it in HD.
 
HoustonFrog said:
5) The second D Jack TD before half. This one is a little more controversial but I couldn't believe they didn't at least replay it. If you watch it again it looks like his one foot is down and the other hits the pylon..TD.
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His foot never made contact with the pylon. That was very clear in the replay.
 
The officiating was horrible, but I chaulk it up to human error over a grand CON$spiracy.

The NFL has too much to lose to throw games. Their entire product rests on the fact that the public believes it it a legitimate product. Without that trust, pro football becomes a house of cards and would be no more valid than professional wrestling.
 
His foot never made contact with the pylon. That was very clear in the replay.
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Whatever. His left foot was obviously in and I saw his right foot kick the pylon. It's very clear that the pylon moves after the right foot kicks it. That's a touchdown.
 
Man, the negativity on this MB is something else. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would honestly think the Superbowl was rigged. Just goes to show you how a losing season can influence your thinking process.
And no I'm not Dr Phil, but this is the silliest notion I've read here YET. Why do we even give any credence to these kind of posts anyway.:confused:
 
I too believe that,well maybe not fixed but that Pittsburgh was given some preferential calls.THe TD was tough because i don't believe there was enough to reverse the call.However the push off ,c'mon Irvin made a living doing the exact thing.And the holding call.I didn't see holding,neither did Madden.But Seattle is a small market team,and then you have the 'HISTORIC" Steeler franchise,and 80-90% Black& gold in the stands.I mean really do you think SI had a Seattle package of t-shirt,CD,and hat redy for comercial 5 minutes after the game?
 
Texan Asylum said:
Man, the negativity on this MB is something else. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would honestly think the Superbowl was rigged. Just goes to show you how a losing season can influence your thinking process.
And no I'm not Dr Phil, but this is the silliest notion I've read here YET. Why do we even give any credence to these kind of posts anyway.:confused:
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Obviously you did not watch the game!! The Hawks were done before they arrived in Detroit! JMO!! Very sad, but true!!
 
Well obviously all this was done so Jerome B could go out in style. If that's the case than maybe he should run for President, cause with that much pull and influence, he'd be a shoe-in.:rolleyes:
 
yea and to think Boxing is rigged?Or Wrestling is fake.C'mon people be realistic.IT's all about the $$$$$$$$$
 
News to me too.But honestly you have to say the holding call was non-existant on aplay that put Seattle at the 1 1/2 yard line.Then the Irvin push off that reversed a TD.Don't remember to many other penalties maybe 5 more the whole game.And i believe they were illegal motions.
 
I had money on Pittsburgh, and I am still outraged at the officiating in this game. Seattle was done in by the questionable officiating, the horrible play of their two kickers (Brown and Rouen), and the untimely drops by the receivers (including 3 early ones by "Big Mouth" Stevens). I actually think Hasselbeck had a good game, but was sabotaged by a combination of his teammates and the officials.
 
The flow of the game had Steelers written all over it. It was just a bad game, but that is the way the Steelers wanted it. Seattle was not good enough to overcome plays that did not go their way, plain and simple. If the coach is not man enough to shake the hand of his opponent after the game you can imagine how that team self destructed when adversity was smacking them in the face.
 
Double Barrel said:
The officiating was horrible, but I chaulk it up to human error over a grand CON$spiracy.

The NFL has too much to lose to throw games. Their entire product rests on the fact that the public believes it it a legitimate product. Without that trust, pro football becomes a house of cards and would be no more valid than professional wrestling.
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I agree with 99.999% of your postings, in this case I'm sorry to say I don't. The NFL had too much to lose yesterday if the Seahawks won the game. Based purely on merchandise sales. I've thought for years that teams like the Steelers, and the Cowboys get far too many calls in their favor. (Anyone remember that Mike Renfro catch in Three Rivers other than me? How about how many hits Earl Campbell took out of bounds, and no roughing call?) That was until I looked at the marketing side of the game. Fanbase for these teams far exceeds the rest of the teams in the NFL. Do you know how much money the NFL made yesterday by the Steelers (Oh the irony of a team name) winning this game? Yesterdays game cemented it for me, the fix is on, and the NFL is not interested in giving us that legitimate product we all deserve. If they were, they would have fulltime professional Referee's, instead of underpaid, easily influenced by outside prejudice, or even worse outside MOB money from bookies, high school teacher referees. They would have had a guy in the replay booth that had the HIGHEST turnover rate of calls on the field instead of the LOWEST percentage. Sad day for professional sports yesterday....the Steelers really deserved the win, but now it's a win that's tarnished.
 
goodness said:
Whatever. His left foot was obviously in and I saw his right foot kick the pylon. It's very clear that the pylon moves after the right foot kicks it. That's a touchdown.
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I didnt see it move at all. I watched closly to the replay and it look right to me.
 
Yesterdays game cemented it for me, the fix is on, and the NFL is not interested in giving us that legitimate product we all deserve.
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With that being said, then you might as well color VY an absolute first draft for the Texans. The NFL wouldn't have it any other way. He would turn this franchise into a money making avenue for the NFL. He's a hometown boy bringing in hometown fans with their hometown money just waiting to buy an illegitimate product.:rolleyes:
And I suppose all the owners and players are really good at keeping secrets for all these years.
 
Yes, the officiting was terrible. As a whole, that was by far the worst officated set of playoff games I have ever seen. But a Steeler conspiracy? Come on people. You're smarter than that. What about the Jeramy Stevens catch and fumble that was somehow ruled an incomplete pass? That favored Seattle because Pitt would have had the ball on the TO. How does that fit in to your big conspiracy theory.
 
Perhaps so...Condy Rice was there so they can say the fix goes clean to the President. First the election...then the Iraq WMD's...then the final straw, the Superbowl.
 
Hey Vinny, with all this crazy talk I suggest you take my name and use it for a new name for the Texan's MB. I already gave away an Avatar...might as well keep up the generosity.:)
 
seriously....has there ever been ANY game without calls that are debatable? if the game was rigged, would the steelers have been unable to acquire a FIRST DOWN in an entire quarter? Darrell jackson pushed off in the end zone. he took his arm, he placed it on the defended, he extended it, and got seperation. if you dont want that called, dont do it in front of an official. Its in the rules. You live with the calls on the field. Seattle left a lot of points on the field-missed field goals, interceptions- that could have changed the tide of the game. The refs didnt do it, seattle did, and im sure they will tell you the same.
 
Vinny said:
..but the game wasn't rigged (that's just ridiculous).
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Why is that ridiculous Vinny? Money talks in the world of sports. It's been going on for years, not just in football, but in every sport that brings in the big bucks. Do you really think all the power the BIG GUYS have in Vegas didn't play some kind of role in the outcome of that game yesterday? I truly want to know your opinion on this. CONVINCE ME PLEASE!! I would LOVE to feel good about plunking over thousands of bucks to renew my tickets, buy merchandise, kiss the butt of the NFL at every turn. I would love to end the season feeling good about the game of football, not depressed and confused as to whether the NFL is being honest or not. I went to bed last night wondering why in the hell I go through this every year. Sometimes I question my own sanity for putting up with this stuff year after year. I guess in the back of my mind, I don't want to believe they would FIX any game, or that a player would throw a game. I want to believe the TEXANS have as good of a chance of WINNING a SB as anyone else. After watching that game yesterday, I'm not sure about anything.
 
jeeeez if anything was rigged did you see that dying quail BenR threw to Herndon? That had "keep it close to the spread" written all over it .... but in all seriousness, there's no way any of these allegations are anything but message board fodder ...
 
One should not confuse lack of experience, nervousness, anxiety, blind spots due to position and bang bang calls with the game being fixed.

It was a bad closely played game that was witnessed by a hundred million dissatisfied fans. Ina nutshell it was not as fulfilling as the risotto.
 
I think alot of Ben's problems came about due to the fact he was out hitting the parties the night before the game...according to Fox.
 
Vinny said:
Ben played like a young QB and Hassleback like an old veteran. That's what I saw.
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not quite sure what level of play equates to those descriptions but if by that you meant that BR played with energy but was inconsistent with flashes of brilliance and MH played well but had 2 or 3 very costly miscues, I'm with you
 
Seattle lost because they didn't execute.

For starters, I believe Rouen punted from midfield about 50 times and he hit touchbacks all 50 times.
 
Neither team deserved to win this game.

Pittsburgh because they had a ton of calls handed to them:
  • It wasn't offensive pass interference
  • Roethlisberger did not make it into the endzone
  • It wasn't holding when Seattle should've had 1st and goal at the 1
  • Hasselbeck did not block the blocker below the waist...he made a tackle
  • Roethlisberger did not call time-out before the play clock expired...should've been 3rd and 11

Seattle because they continued to shoot themselves in the foot:
  • Two missed FGs (they were long FG's but still...)
  • Incredibly stupid clock managment at the ends of the 1st half and game
  • Dropped passes...mainly Jerramy Stevens
  • Dumb mistakes (legitimate penalties...like Alexander's false start after one of Stevens' drops)
  • Simply didn't make the plays when it mattered.

Terrible game to watch. Copies should be sold as cures for insomnia.
 
Along with the other calls that bothered me there was one more I just remembered that bothered me. Right after the bad holding call I believe it was first down still. Didn't they then go run, sack, interception. Well on the run by Alexander it was a textbook horsecollar call. Right by the back of the neck and no flag. If you are going to put in these new rules, use them. Didn't cost them the game but just another example.
 
Huge said:
Neither team deserved to win this game.

Pittsburgh because they had a ton of calls handed to them:
  • It wasn't offensive pass interference
  • Roethlisberger did not make it into the endzone
  • It wasn't holding when Seattle should've had 1st and goal at the 1
  • Hasselbeck did not block the blocker below the waist...he made a tackle
  • Roethlisberger did not call time-out before the play clock expired...should've been 3rd and 11

Seattle because they continued to shoot themselves in the foot:
  • Two missed FGs (they were long FG's but still...)
  • Incredibly stupid clock managment at the ends of the 1st half and game
  • Dropped passes...mainly Jerramy Stevens
  • Dumb mistakes (legitimate penalties...like Alexander's false start after one of Stevens' drops)
  • Simply didn't make the plays when it mattered.

Terrible game to watch. Copies should be sold as cures for insomnia.
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The one ref made the call on the field about the Ben TD.... and you had no way in hell on reversing that on the replay, because you need INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE, which there wasnt. You cant overturn that after its called
 
Texan Asylum said:
Perhaps so...Condy Rice was there so they can say the fix goes clean to the President. First the election...then the Iraq WMD's...then the final straw, the Superbowl.
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she was actually there as a show of confidence for the tight security.
 
Porky said:
What about the Jeramy Stevens catch and fumble that was somehow ruled an incomplete pass? That favored Seattle because Pitt would have had the ball on the TO. How does that fit in to your big conspiracy theory.
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Actually it would have been tight. That ball was headed for the sideline. I think it was 50/50 at best whether he would have gotten there before it went OOB's.
 
The Officiating was horrible the whole game, and the whole playoffs, but hey the refs do make mistakes, and in a game like this, they do get excited like the players do
 
Farough said:
The one ref made the call on the field about the Ben TD.... and you had no way in hell on reversing that on the replay, because you need INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE, which there wasnt. You cant overturn that after its called
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Yeah, the one ref that made the call on the field was going to initially signal 4th down (see ref running to the spot with a clinched fist)...then changed it to a TD when he saw Ben laying the ball across the line after he was already down.

Now had the ref called him down (correctly), do you think there would've been evidence to overturn that call?

Didn't think so.
 
Texan Asylum said:
With that being said, then you might as well color VY an absolute first draft for the Texans. The NFL wouldn't have it any other way. He would turn this franchise into a money making avenue for the NFL. He's a hometown boy bringing in hometown fans with their hometown money just waiting to buy an illegitimate product.:rolleyes:
And I suppose all the owners and players are really good at keeping secrets for all these years.
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Worst analogy ever, but nice try :) Address the points of the post, VY plugs have other places on the board LOL
 
I have scanned through this long string and I don't see anyone mention the Hinz Ward dropped TD pass. That would make the game 27 - 24 if Seattle would have kicked two indoor field goals and also credited for the disallowed push off touchdown. That scenario would have also given the gamblers who took the Seahawks and the points the win. No wonder there is so much grumbling!
 
I actually think they made the right call on Ben's run. When they froze the shot with him holding the ball over the line (about 1 to 2 inches) it seemed pretty clear to me. That said, there were so many other HORRIBLE (not even borderline) calls in this game, I feel like I just wasted a day watching a wrestling match (pre-determined). I'm almost positive that this game wasn't rigged, but it has actually seemed like a possibility after this postseason. I feel cheated as a fan and I actually had money on Pittsburgh.
 
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