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Super Bowl XLIII

The Pencil Neck said:
Exactly. When he gets hit, there's a HITCH in his motion that looks like he's starting forward, but he's not. His hand is still moving backward and the ball is coming out. THEN he starts his hand forward, without the ball in control, and he ends up pushing the ball forward.
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BUUUUULLShip!!! That ball was slapped from his hand BEFORE it moved forward...which makes it a fumble. The ball was slapped downward from behind. The Cards fought the good fight and came up short...deal with it.
 
Dread-Head said:
BUUUUULLShip!!! That ball was slapped from his hand BEFORE it moved forward...which makes it a fumble. The ball was slapped downward from behind. The Cards fought the good fight and came up short...deal with it.
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He was agreeing with me, which also means that he is agreeing with you.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Booth review. The refs upstairs took a look at the play and didn't think it merited a full review.
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Exactly. Al Michaels even said the play had been reviewed in the booth, but most viewers were either so drunk or so rapt by circumstance that they didn't hear him say it.

Everyone afterwards was all "OMG how can you not review that play?!?!"
 
El Tejano said:
You can't help but think something is rigged man. First you had the Steelers/Seahawks game where it was pretty obvious the zebras/NFL wanted Jerome Bettis to play his last game of football in his hometown and end it with a win. Then you have this game against the Cards. It baffles me that there was no view of replay for the last play of the game. It's downright concerning when you think about it.

A) This is the most important game of the year, during a crucial time of the game. Would it have helped Arizona win. Maybe not. Maybe so. With that in mind, don't you think the play should've been reviewed.

B) In a season in which we saw the San Diego Chargers get totally, blantantly, and obviously ripped off for fear of a popular ref looking bad....don't ya think you would do everything possible to make sure the right call was made in the most important game of the season?

C) Don't we as fans, in attempt to show that there was no favoritism in the league, deserve to see the refs go in and even fake like their are reviewing? Then they slap us in the face with putting a scroll on ESPN that basically said "We understand that we screwed up but we are going to lie and say that we checked to try and make it look like we didn't mess up."
D) Let's also remember how the Steelers were given a TD earlier this year against Baltimore when the ball was obviously not over the the TD line.

E) Do I need to bring up Mike Renfro......
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Heidi was scheduled to start in a few minutes!
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Mailman said:
Exactly. Al Michaels even said the play had been reviewed in the booth, but most viewers were either so drunk or so rapt by circumstance that they didn't hear him say it.

Everyone afterwards was all "OMG how can you not review that play?!?!"
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From a guy who could give a rats *** who won the game - let me try one last time to explain the differences here.

1. Tell me the last time in an NFL game when a play was "booth-reviewed" that the Referee did NOT make an announcement on field to that effect? This wasn't a pre-season game, heck it wasn't even a regular-season game, it's the friggin SUPERBOWL - you don't leave these things open for speculation. The outcome of that play was uncertain with the game still in the balance; why was it not reviewed in painstaking detail? Remember that they'd get an additional 15 yds tacked on as well after helmets were ripped off.

2. For a QB who is in the pocket, with the ball still in his hand, "loss of control" is not an issue if his arm is still moving forward and his fingers are touching the ball. Arm forward, no ball = fumble. Arm NOT moving forward, ball moving forward = fumble. Arm forward, with ball, ball moving forward until it leaves the QB fingers = incomplete pass.

I think Warner had no semblance of control of it, but the rules don't allow for that to be anything other than an incomplete pass. Under the existing rules, it should have been incomplete. Like an election - if you don't like the rules, get them changed - until that point the existing rules should apply.
 
Mailman said:
No, it wasn't in his hand. The ball was clearly knocked loose and out of his control as he wound up to throw. The forward motion of his empty hand just happened to push the ball forward. I don't know what you're looking at to see it any other way.
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I dont know either. Maybe the football in his hand?
 
disaacks3 said:
From a guy who could give a rats *** who won the game - let me try one last time to explain the differences here.

1. Tell me the last time in an NFL game when a play was "booth-reviewed" that the Referee did NOT make an announcement on field to that effect? This wasn't a pre-season game, heck it wasn't even a regular-season game, it's the friggin SUPERBOWL - you don't leave these things open for speculation. The outcome of that play was uncertain with the game still in the balance; why was it not reviewed in painstaking detail? Remember that they'd get an additional 15 yds tacked on as well after helmets were ripped off.

2. For a QB who is in the pocket, with the ball still in his hand, "loss of control" is not an issue if his arm is still moving forward and his fingers are touching the ball. Arm forward, no ball = fumble. Arm NOT moving forward, ball moving forward = fumble. Arm forward, with ball, ball moving forward until it leaves the QB fingers = incomplete pass.

I think Warner had no semblance of control of it, but the rules don't allow for that to be anything other than an incomplete pass. Under the existing rules, it should have been incomplete. Like an election - if you don't like the rules, get them changed - until that point the existing rules should apply.
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1, Every play inside two minutes of the half is reviewed by the booth. The booth calls for reviews, not the officials. The booth reviewed the play and determined that the call on the field was correct so they did not stop the game. IF they had thought the call was wrong they would have buzzed the officials and then the officials would have reviewed it themselves and determined the correct call.

2. Loss of control IS an issue in determining whether it was an incomplete pass or a fumble. Woodley hit Warner before his arm started to move forward. He knocked the ball loose and the only reason it went forward is because Warner knocked it forward with his hand/arm. To be determined a pass, Warner would have to have full control of the ball and be in the act of releasing it when he was hit. He was not.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't think so. When someone goes out of bounds, they have to try to get back in bounds as quickly as possible. They can't run down the sidelines out of bounds and then come back in bounds. But if someone goes out of bounds and then comes back in as quickly as possible, they can continue to play.
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But after re-watching that play again and again, Fitzgerald starts attempting the tackle from out of bounds. His got run out of bounds then he ran into Rolle on their sideline, then continued to run out of bounds and attempted the tackle right as jagoff scored the TD.
 
Heard a lot of people call this the best Super Bowl ever. I don't think it was. It was a good game but not a great one. The 4th quarter was entertaining however.
 
TexanSam said:
Heard a lot of people call this the best Super Bowl ever. I don't think it was. It was a good game but not a great one. The 4th quarter was entertaining however.
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I thought the 4th quarter was the worst part of the game.

Both teams went out of their base defense that had been working all game and basically started playing prevent.
 
Thats 3 great days for Steeler fan...

Sunday- Team won big game

Monday- State holiday proclaimed...Unemployment offices closed giving thousands of Steeler fans the day off from standing in line.

Tuesday- Free grub at Dennys...no line there, eh?

Can it get any better?
 
Dread-Head said:
We're like Motown baby. Just call us the Texan Seminole5! Alright, now which of us is singing lead on "Stop the Love you Save May be Your own?" GuerillaBlack! Work on your footwork kid! Showtime works too hard to correograph this stuff.
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Footwork complete.
 
Dread-Head said:
We're like Motown baby. Just call us the Texan Seminole5! Alright, now which of us is singing lead on "Stop the Love you Save May be Your own?" GuerillaBlack! Work on your footwork kid! Showtime works too hard to correograph this stuff.
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Used to..lol. Ever since I choreographed "Beat It" I can't find work.
 
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