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Super Bowl Trophy name change

Should the Super Bowl Trophy add Bill Belichicks name to it?

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TxnsJuggernaut

TxnsJuggernaut

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How about the Lombardi/Belichick trophy?

I know this has been mentioned before from some analyst and it has been shot down but if the Pats win again I really think it should be given serious consideration.
 
Vince Lombardi won 8 total NFL championships and never had any accusations of cheating., I was a Rams fan before I became a Texans fan and I am convinced that the Patriots videotaped Rams practices like reports said.. I watched that super bowl and it was like the Pats knew many of the plays called before especially the pick 6.. so no way I would ever name any trophy for Bill Belichick
 
I think the discussion could start after another SB. Not saying it would happen, but the discussion should start.

As much as it pains me to say it, Brady and Belichick are the greatest QB/HC combo in NFL history. Individually they may be the best ever.

I hate the Patriots fans. The organization is second to none.
 
stingray said:
Vince Lombardi won 8 total NFL championships and never had any accusations of cheating., I was a Rams fan before I became a Texans fan and I am convinced that the Patriots videotaped Rams practices like reports said.. I watched that super bowl and it was like the Pats knew many of the plays called before especially the pick 6.. so no way I would ever name any trophy for Bill Belichick
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The successes of the Pats can't all be chalked up to cheating. I don't count so called deflate gate because the second half when the deflated footballs were fixed the Pats actually had more success.

I am not suggesting the Lombardi name should be eliminated but merely share the name with Bill Belichick.

In the era of free agency no one could ever have imagined the domination of one team the way the Pats have dominated. As far as the Pats knowing the plays of the Rams in that Super Bowl that is all speculation. What is not speculation is the fact that other teams have been said to have done what the Pats were accused of.

I am no Pats lover but I respect the fact that they are among the best that has ever been and most of the cheating accusations are due to the Rams game and the fact their success has lasted so long.

Perhaps the name change to the trophy should wait till Bill Belichick is retired.
 
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I would like to see Belichek without Brady first... but then again we never saw Lombardi without Starr
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
The successes of the Pats can't all be chalked up to cheating. I don't count so called deflate gate because the second half when the deflated footballs were fixed the Pats actually had more success.

I am not suggesting the Lombardi name should be eliminated but merely share the name with Bill Belichick.

In the era of free agency no one could ever have imagined the domination of one team the way the Pats have dominated. As far as the Pats knowing the plays of the Rams in that Super Bowl that is all speculation. What is not speculation is the fact that other teams have been said to have done what the Pats were accused of.

I am no Pats lover but I respect the fact that they are among the best that has ever been and most of the cheating accusations are due to the Rams game and the fact their success has lasted so long.

Perhaps the name change to the trophy should wait till Bill Belichick is retired.
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Nope never said that all chalked up to cheating.. but some success is especially in the beginning of their run before they were on to them..
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
How about the Lombardi/Belichick trophy?

I know this has been mentioned before from some analyst and it has been shot down but if the Pats win again I really think it should be given serious consideration.
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I had always heard that there were perverted sicko's on the internet, but I never thought it was this bad...
 
If it were to ever change names, the only one that is truly fitting is the Tom Landry trophy. Dude had 20 consecutive winning seasons with the same franchise, not to mention all the other aspects of his greatness and football genius.

There would be no Bill Belichick without Tom Landry. JMO.

Heck, Vince Lombardi won championships with Landry's defensive playbook that he got when they were coaches for the Giants together.

And I'm not even a Cowboys fan.
 
Nope..the league would probably do better to name it after the guy Belichick tries so hard to emulate Paul Brown. Truly a shame how much this guy contributed to the game & how little the game acknowledges him.
 
JB said:
I would like to see Belichek without Brady first... but then again we never saw Lombardi without Starr
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To be fair, Starr never made it to the playoffs without Lombardi.
 
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Seems like naming an NFL Coach of the Year award after Belichick (at some point after he's in the HoF) would be more appropriate IMHO. Of course the NFL would have to talk to the AP or Sporting News or some such outfit because CotY belongs to the press, not the NFL itself.

...then again, the Don Shula (or Paul Brown or Tom Landry or George Halas or Bill Walsh) fans might have a differing opinion on that
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Mr teX said:
Nope..the league would probably do better to name it after the guy Belichick tries so hard to emulate Paul Brown. Truly a shame how much this guy contributed to the game & how little the game acknowledges him.
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The only person that a team is named after, so maybe the most acknowledged ever.
 
stingray said:
Vince Lombardi won 8 total NFL championships and never had any accusations of cheating., I was a Rams fan before I became a Texans fan and I am convinced that the Patriots videotaped Rams practices like reports said.. I watched that super bowl and it was like the Pats knew many of the plays called before especially the pick 6.. so no way I would ever name any trophy for Bill Belichick
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You and everyone else with all of these "I'm convinced" accusations just have sour grapes. Every time you guys scream cheaters, they're in the AFC Championship game with a new team every season. It hilarious every time we hear that honestly.
 
JB said:
I would like to see Belichek without Brady first... but then again we never saw Lombardi without Starr
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I'll never understand all of this hoopla about Brady without Bill or Bill without Brady. They're both the greatest HC and QB. Why can't people leave it at that? Anyone who questions either of them with or without the other really doesn't pay attention to football. They've both accomplished what they have together, because they've both been that great. That's it. There isn't any type of conspiracy about about who is better.
 
Texecutioner said:
You and everyone else with all of these "I'm convinced" accusations just have sour grapes. Every time you guys scream cheaters, they're in the AFC Championship game with a new team every season. It hilarious every time we hear that honestly.
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He was proven to cheat, or you forgot about that? These arent accusations, they are true. Belichick is a great coach but ridiculous to even think to rename the trophy over him.
 
stingray said:
He was proven to cheat, or you forgot about that? These arent accusations, they are true. Belichick is a great coach but ridiculous to even think to rename the trophy over him.
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I don't think you understand what Spygate was about. Most people actually have no idea what Spygate even was. Its never been illegal to steal signals if you can interpret what they are. Teams are doing it as we speak.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't think you understand what Spygate was about. Most people actually have no idea what Spygate even was. Its never been illegal to steal signals if you can interpret what they are. Teams are doing it as we speak.
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You either don't get it or are intentionally misrepresenting spygate. Videotaping is allowed from designated locations and may not be used during the same game. The Pats were fined for violating both where they videotaped and when they were used.
 
infantrycak said:
You either don't get it or are intentionally misrepresenting spygate. Videotaping is allowed from designated locations and may not be used during the same game. The Pats were fined for violating both where they videotaped and when they were used.
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Your butt hurt for the Pats amuses the hell out of me year after year.

Video taping was legal. The only issue was it being from a certain spot. That's it.

If you had read his post and mine correctly you'd realize we hadn't even discussed that specifically. He brought up the famous "I believe that I have a hunch that they filmed our practice" conspiracy theory that all of the losing fans throw out there every time they lose to the Pats in the playoffs. We enjoy this stuff, because at the end of the day you all have had to suffer through 18 years of the Pats being in the SB practically 50% of the time. Y'all screamed about Spygate and the very next season they had the best team in NFL history to most people that was better than any of those Cowboys teams you adored so much.
 
Texecutioner said:
I'll never understand all of this hoopla about Brady without Bill or Bill without Brady. They're both the greatest HC and QB. Why can't people leave it at that? Anyone who questions either of them with or without the other really doesn't pay attention to football. They've both accomplished what they have together, because they've both been that great. That's it. There isn't any type of conspiracy about about who is better.

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Peyton Manning’s the greatest homie....4 SB appearances and it didn’t matter who the HC was b/c he went with4 different ones.

Lol just trolling man
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't think you understand what Spygate was about. Most people actually have no idea what Spygate even was. Its never been illegal to steal signals if you can interpret what they are. Teams are doing it as we speak.
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So goodell handed a suspension of taking a first round pick from them an a $500,000 fine of Belichick just because?
 

:spit: Gotta love you Manning supporters.


Getting surpassed by Brady by such a huge margin by now, I gotta hand it you for hanging in there. Funny thing is Brady has outlasted all of his rivals. Every team, every player, every coach. He just keeps making new ones and outlasting them too. Just a few years ago Luck was supposed to be the new kid on the block to take down Brady in the AFC, Brady has outlasted him as well. It just keeps on going.
 
You are really butthurt over your teams loss yesterday..Why are you on a Texans message board anyways? Shouldn’t you be crying on a pats message board?
 
stingray said:
So goodell handed a suspension of taking a first round pick from them an a $500,000 fine of Belichick just because?
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You mentioned something you "felt" had happened. Do you know how many times I hear conspiracy theories like that from opposing fans and teams who lost to the Pats in the playoffs or the SB? . They filmed out practice. I don't have proof, but I just know they did it. It's become such an echo factor that most of us just enjoy it now. Your initial post was exactly that. It was all about what you believed, and not what was fact. You weren't talking about what Spygate was specifically about, and again most people have no idea what it was about.
 
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stingray said:
You are really butthurt over your teams loss yesterday? Why are you on a Texans message board anyways? Shouldn’t you be crying on a pats message board?
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Who is butt hurt? I'm very proud of their entire season. They lost both of their top draft picks, Edelman, Hightower, and several others and still won the entire AFC regular season. Then had one of the best games of all time against the Jags with an amazing comeback, got a hair away from winning the SB without Cook while Brady had another legendary performance. Going to the SB is never something to be butt hurt about. When you go 8 times, you're bound to lose one or two. Kind of the reason why the question of this thread exists.

What does this have to do with the Texans? Did you not realize that this is a thread about the SB and Belicheck? Or is it mind blowing to you that some fans on this board may like other teams too? You know like you who was repping the Rams a few posts ago as one of your teams? I could ask you the same question.
 
Texecutioner said:
:spit: Gotta love you Manning supporters.


Getting surpassed by Brady by such a huge margin by now, I gotta hand it you for hanging in there. Funny thing is Brady has outlasted all of his rivals. Every team, every player, every coach. He just keeps making new ones and outlasting them too. Just a few years ago Luck was supposed to be the new kid on the block to take down Brady in the AFC, Brady has outlasted him as well. It just keeps on going.
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The only huge margin Brady has on any of his predecessors is in SBs and all time post season wins... head to head in AFC championship games though Manning has him. Futhermore, Brady can’t even take full credit for those SB’s as more often than not the game saving plays came down to someone else making the play to win it..plus it’s a team sport you know...
not to mention brady’s had Belichick who is at least considered a top 5-6 coach of all time

But you go ahead man..I know better than to get in the way of your man love for Brady.
 
Mr teX said:
The only huge margin Brady has on any of his predecessors is in SBs and all time post season wins... head to head in AFC championship games though Manning has him. Futhermore, Brady can’t even take full credit for those SB’s as more often than not the game saving plays came down to someone else making the play to win it..plus it’s a team sport you know...
not to mention brady’s had Belichick who is at least considered a top 5-6 coach of all time

But you go ahead man..I know better than to get in the way of your man love for Brady.
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Now Brady can't even take credit for the SB wins? Lol!

You've been one of the most fun ones in here over the years on the Pats. It was just a few years ago when you were swearing they would never win another SB again, and since then they've won 2 out of three more trips. You might want to go look at the post season stat records and you'll really hate Brady then. He's dominated everyone by such huge margins that everything he set out to do as far as distancing himself from any other QB in history. This was the first SB out of 8 that he didn't score on the last drive that they had the ball. That's mind blowing as far as being clutch. He is the SB at this point. He's gone what, 8 times out of 18 years and two of those years he didn't play due to injury and because he was a rookie that no one knew anything about? That's a 50% rate of going to the SB. That's nuts!
 
Texecutioner said:
You mentioned something you "felt" had happened. Do you know how many times I hear conspiracy theories like that from opposing fans and teams who lost to the Pats in the playoffs or the SB? . They filmed out practice. I don't have proof, but I just know they did it. It's become such an echo factor that most of us just enjoy it now. Your initial post was exactly that. It was all about what you believed, and not what was fact. You weren't talking about what Spygate was specifically about, and again most people have no idea what it was about.
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And this thread is about renaming the sb trophy with his name included.. never mentioned he was a bad coach. Hes a great coach, one of the greatest, but he did get caught in spygate and therefore his name should never be put on the most important trophy in thus country.
 
stingray said:
And this thread is about renaming the sb trophy with his name included.. never mentioned he was a bad coach. Hes a great coach, one of the greatest, but he did get caught in spygate and therefore his name should never be put on the most important trophy in thus country.
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Whether you like it or not, he'll be remembered as the greatest coach of all time that was head and shoulders better than every other guy who did it. The Rams just weren't as good or they would have gotten back there. They all looked past the Patriots because they were underdogs and didn't think this 6th round dude could go in there and beat them. You guys had no idea that you were going up against the best QB to ever live, and the best coach to ever do it. You should be mad at the Rams coaching staff for being behind the curve. Ask Jimmy Johnson how many times he stole signals. Hell, I used to steal all of the time from 2nd base when I was a runner watching the dumbass catcher who didn't know how to hide his finger codes. Bellicheck has always been a step ahead. That being said, he fucked up some things royally last night though. They are roasting him in NE today.
 
Texecutioner said:
Now Brady can't even take credit for the SB wins? Lol!

You've been one of the most fun ones in here over the years on the Pats. It was just a few years ago when you were swearing they would never win another SB again, and since then they've won 2 out of three more trips. You might want to go look at the post season stat records and you'll really hate Brady then. He's dominated everyone by such huge margins that everything he set out to do as far as distancing himself from any other QB in history. This was the first SB out of 8 that he didn't score on the last drive that they had the ball. That's mind blowing as far as being clutch. He is the SB at this point. He's gone what, 8 times out of 18 years and two of those years he didn't play due to injury and because he was a rookie that no one knew anything about? That's a 50% rate of going to the SB. That's nuts!
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The bolded is lies...I want to say that he had the ball last in both those other SB losses to the giants; definitely know he had it last in at least 1 of those.

I don’t hate Brady..I dislike fans who act like Brady is beyond reproach b/c he has won the most SB...as if that’s the only criteria for being the goat..its not and never has been for me. At the end of the day, Brady is 2-3 clutch kicks and a clutch interception against the Seahawks away from being sub .500 in SBs and relegated to Jim Kelly/John elway status.

But you Brady worshippers can’t see that.

He’s a great story and no doubt on the Mount Rushmore of greatest qbs this game has ever seen, but the Pats are more than just him...what’s their mantra “do your job”...Brady didn’t set that tone and culture..that was Belichick.
 
I thought we were debating whether or not to change the Lombardi trophy to some other name
:D
 
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Mr teX said:
The bolded is lies...I want to say that he had the ball last in both those other SB losses to the giants; definitely know he had it last in at least 1 of those.

I don’t hate Brady..I dislike fans who act like Brady is beyond reproach b/c he has won the most SB...as if that’s the only criteria for being the goat..its not and never has been for me. At the end of the day, Brady is 2-3 clutch kicks and a clutch interception against the Seahawks away from being sub .500 in SBs and relegated to Jim Kelly/John elway status.

But you Brady worshippers can’t see that.

He’s a great story and no doubt on the Mount Rushmore of greatest qbs this game has ever seen, but the Pats are more than just him...what’s their mantra “do your job”...Brady didn’t set that tone and culture..that was Belichick.
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So Brady gets o credit for making a clutch drive to get his team in FG position to win a game? Lol! What the hell kind of logic is that? So basically you're discrediting him for not being down by over 3 points to where he'd have to get a TD to win? That one of the most foolish things you could say. And clearly you don't remember the SB's he was in, because even in his losses against the Giants he scored on his last two drives to take the lead. It was Eli who got the ball last which is also how Brady won in those other earlier SB's. Sometimes that determines who wins the game. Funny how you're discrediting him for losing a SB like that, but then you also discredit him for getting the ball last and making the plays to win so you're contradicting yourself completely.

Then you're bringing up an INT that his team made against Russell Wilson? So Brady's 4th quarter performance had nothing to do with that right? Most called that the best SB 4th quarter in history. Lol! He lit up the legion of boom, and all because his team let Russell get down the field and then got an INT when they should have never gotten down the field in the first place after choking and they got the INT, so Brady did nothing? And funny how you don't take those things into a account in those Giants losses where it took a total miracle play from Tyree and that great catch from Manningham as well. This entire point was another contradiction where you've created holes in your entire argument.

YOu've always hated the Pats. You Said they wouldn't win jack ever again, and they've been 3 times since then. They'll likely go again as well, and we'll be having this conversation all over again and you'll be saying something else like he didn't throw for 600 yards something.
 
Texecutioner said:
So Brady gets o credit for making a clutch drive to get his team in FG position to win a game? Lol! What the hell kind of logic is that? So basically you're discrediting him for not being down by over 3 points to where he'd have to get a TD to win? That one of the most foolish things you could say. And clearly you don't remember the SB's he was in, because even in his losses against the Giants he scored on his last two drives to take the lead. It was Eli who got the ball last which is also how Brady won in those other earlier SB's. Sometimes that determines who wins the game. Funny how you're discrediting him for losing a SB like that, but then you also discredit him for getting the ball last and making the plays to win so you're contradicting yourself completely.

Then you're bringing up an INT that his team made against Russell Wilson? So Brady's 4th quarter performance had nothing to do with that right? Most called that the best SB 4th quarter in history. Lol! He lit up the legion of boom, and all because his team let Russell get down the field and then got an INT when they should have never gotten down the field in the first place after choking and they got the INT, so Brady did nothing? And funny how you don't take those things into a account in those Giants losses where it took a total miracle play from Tyree and that great catch from Manningham as well. This entire point was another contradiction where you've created holes in your entire argument.

YOu've always hated the Pats. You Said they wouldn't win jack ever again, and they've been 3 times since then. They'll likely go again as well, and we'll be having this conversation all over again and you'll be saying something else like he didn't throw for 600 yards something.
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I'm not taking those things into account? Its you Brady humpers that refuse to acknowledge that someone else had more than just minor contributions in winning those games other than Brady.

As i've said numerous times, his 4th qtr performance...his 4th qtr "game winning drives" (such an absurd metric in and of itself) counts for nothing if Vinatieri misses those kicks or Butler doesn't get that int. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you're giving Brady GOAT status & all of the credit for "winning" those games/SB's for something so ordinary as just getting his teams into FG range. I mean for christ sakes, we've seen Matt frickin Schaub be able to do that fairly consistent.

Outside of the SB against ATL, Nothing Brady has done in SB's compares to what Montana did in SB's where his offenses straight dominated teams & blew them out by half time, or he was leading his teams into the end zone to win it.

Its just par for the course with how people want to annoint GOAT status to anyone. Brady's great, but more of his success should be attributed to the comfy surrounding he's had with Belichick his entire career.
 
stingray said:
Exactly, but a butt hurt pats fan derailed it.
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I'm not the one crying about lost SB's from 18 years ago shouting out conspiracy theories.

I'm celebrating a great 2017 season and am highly interested to see who makes it to the annual Patriots invitational (Super Bowl)
 
Mr teX said:
I'm not taking those things into account? Its you Brady humpers that refuse to acknowledge that someone else had more than just minor contributions in winning those games other than Brady.
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Brady had great games in all of those. No one refused to credit anyone else on his teams. You are making that up just to act like it needs to be stated just so you can bash Brady.

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As i've said numerous times, his 4th qtr performance...his 4th qtr "game winning drives" (such an absurd metric in and of itself) counts for nothing if Vinatieri misses those kicks or Butler doesn't get that int.
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Why were the Seahawks in scoring position? That was THE DEFENSE"S FAULT for even being down there in the first place. Brady threw for 4 TD's and close to 400 yards in that game, and you have the nerve to bring up an INT when their defense had no business allowing Seattle to get down there? Lol! That was considered by most to be the best 4th quarter performance in SB history. You're not even reaching on this one. You're foaming and begging for something to fall out of the sky. Brady had to throw the ball 50 times in that game which means their team put that game on his back any time a QB is forced to throw 50 or more times.

Mr teX said:
The real question you should be asking yourself is why you're giving Brady GOAT status & all of the credit for "winning" those games/SB's for something so ordinary as just getting his teams into FG range. I mean for christ sakes, we've seen Matt frickin Schaub be able to do that fairly consistent.
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Brady's post season statistics trump every QB that's ever played. His individual performances speak for itself.

40 cases of QB's throwing the ball 50+ times. 8 of those were from Brady. 32 by everyone else.

Brady: 6-2
Everyone else: 2-30

Regular season:

Brady 19-9
Everyone else: 112-438
  • Playoff touchdown passes (71)
  • Playoff passing yards (10,226)
  • Playoff completions (788)
No matter how you chop it up, he's been the most consistent performer on the Patriots throughout their dominant era. He's also been the most dominant QB in playoff history, so even if you wanted to say "well other players have done things" Brady has still done more than the rest of the QB's.



Mr teX said:
Outside of the SB against ATL, Nothing Brady has done in SB's compares to what Montana did in SB's where his offenses straight dominated teams & blew them out by half time, or he was leading his teams into the end zone to win it
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Montana isn't even in the same stratosphere at this point. Brady has out performed him and blown past him in every category. Montana had one blowout victory against the Broncos. And Brady has doubled the amount of SB's that Montana ever made it to, so essentially you'd have to be dead stupid to suggest that losing earlier in the playoffs is better than the guy who advances to the SB and wins more SB's as well.

Mr teX said:
Its just par for the course with how people want to annoint GOAT status to anyone. Brady's great, but more of his success should be attributed to the comfy surrounding he's had with Belichick his entire career.
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Oh, so now the excuse is Belicheck. Lol! You just mentioned Joe Montana but have nothing to say about Walsh and all of the stacked teams he got to play with throughout his entire career. YOu've contradicted yourself all over the place and you just suffer from the whole "they hate us cause they aint us" syndrome. These gripes all have contradictions, and your premise that it's been all of these other guys is squashed by the fact that Brady holds pretty much every important individual post season stat from all QB's.
 
ObsiWan said:
Good call.
You'll never convince a cultist that they're wrong.
:)
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Another guy that's been frustrated with the Patriots for years. ^^^

You're always around these threads jabbing at them, and despite all of those things you've stated they've remained the team to beat so your track record hasn't been anything close to accurate about the Pats Obsi. Lets be real here.
 
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