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Still Not Sold On V. Young.. and Bush still the Man..

kastofsna said:
it IS unfair to compare vince to vick. vick's a better runner and had a better QB rating in college. clearly the better prospect.
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Young is a better runner and had a better QB rating in college than Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler or any other QB in this draft.

Are you saying Young is clearly the best prospect at QB?
 
HeartofHouston said:
its alot of people around the board that hop from bandwagon to bandwagon... one minute it's Draft Bush... then the next minute it's draft Young.. The sad part is that people see Bush's name and they expect to see a TD every time that he touches the ball but that's not the case.. while he glides like superman, runs like superman and jukes like superman.. he IS NOT Superman!

But what Bush is, is an amazing running back, now some people are gonna sit here and say, well he hasnt played against any good defenses till Texas and look at what Texas did to him.. well let's look at the stats...

Reggie Bush
13 Rushes 82 Yards 6.3 Avg 1TD 6Rec 95Yards 15.8avg

I know some of you are saying...
(picks his nose) "Only 82 Yards Rushing durrrhhh what's up with that??"

:penalty:
Flag on the play.. too many people being stupid on the board..

Well take your finger outta your nose and listen to this.. I'll say a good average for a HB in college is lets say.. 5.0 yards per carry.. (and that's being generous).. Reggie Bush still had a better average than probably every RB in the nation. LenDale White was murdering Texas's Defense and Bush still had a better ypc than him too..

And people wanna talk about how sick Texas's defense is.. and how well they did again Bush well let's pull up some more stats shall we..

vs Oregon, Washington St and Cal..
Reggie Bush's avg yards per carry was less than it was at Texas.. so I guess that means that all those teams have a better defense than Texas. Cal held Bush to only 82 yards, at 4.8 a carry with no TDs.. so they performed wayyyy better than Texas's defense..

I'm saying all that to say this, people are so built on the next hot or the next popular thing that they dont realize what's right in their face.. first it's lienart, then it's bush then it's the young bandwagon.. it's all about what's hot and it doesnt make any sense to me cause bush still had a very very good day (minus that absolutley mind-blowingly-dumb lateral) by my standards. 6.3 yards a carry and almost 100 receiving on a defense that "shut" him down.. i dont think so.. Bush still had a solid performance and I would still take Bush over Young anyday.. and when i continue on you will see why..

Now on to Young.. it seems to be a lotta followers of young all of a sudden and i'm not surprised about that. now dont get me wrong i like they way he played in the championship game 260+ passing and 200+ rushing, no Ints.. he had one of those games that you would have to be lucky to even dream about.

But if you stop and look at it.. USC defense is absolutely trash-a-rific.. they give up.. 227 passing yrds per game... schools like.. Nothern Illinios, Florida International, Cincy, UAB, Wyoming and Indiana give up less yards than USC in the air and rushing defense is a lil better but they are not even top 25 rushing defense. So all in all he's not really playing against a good defense a all.. so to have the day that he had.. it shouldnt have even been a problem at all. Beside Darnell Bing name 1 guy from USC defense that could be taken on day 1.. Frostee Rucker is the closet they got and he's a 4th or 5th rounder at best.

Oh and by the way that option-zone-read that Mack Brown has been babying Vince Young with to protect him all these years.. guess what?? they dont do that crap in the Big league.. cause DEs like Rucker, Peppers, Freeney, Abrahamn, Rice, J. Taylor, Strahan and Ogunleye dont play that mess they will put you to sleep if they get a clean shot at you..

So that little shotgun-zone-read-option crap, that's made Vince Young the "Winner" that he is, that Mack Brown calls 70% of the time.. is gonna be out of the question on the next level then what happens next Young??

To be perfectly honest.. he's not that quick.. Mike Vick is quicker than Young, and with Young's long lanky legs it's not gonna be the pansies from USC's defense grabbing air, it's gonna be Ray Lewis, and Vilma, Peterson, Zach Thomas, Shawn Merriman, Keith Bullock, Andra Davis and Derrick Brooks taking shots at Vince's fraile little body and he's gonna mess around and get his lil legs broke trying to perform one of those weak juke moves that got him pass that pop warner USC defense.

So all you bandwagon hopers that went from "DRAFT THE PREZ" To.. "DRAFT THE IN-VINCE-IBLE" I'll be sitting back with my Bush jersey on watching him run all over the NFL field while you Young fans'll be seeing Young carried on a stretcher because Brian Urlacher or Donovan Darious was spying on Young and put a pop on him that folded him like laundry.

cause without his zone-read-option.. Young runs for 8.4 yrds less and when he drops back his accuracy drops from a beautiful 76% to a very ugly 53%.. so good luck with that stuff in the NFL Vince.. Oh and when you get to the NFL Tell Dwight Freeney and John Abraham I said hello when you run into em...

ROFLMAO..

:tv:
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I know his post is from way back but someone drug it up so I'll comment.

Bush was the "change of pace back" in the Championship game. Not exactly high praise from his coach (a former NFL coach). Most #1 picks are guys who AREN'T EVER the second option.
I didn't see the back-up QB for UT come in cuz VY was strugglin'.

And for all this VY won't get away with this or VY won't get away with that.....You're leaving the one intangible out that VY has over most of the competition, ADAPTABILITY.

Now I'm sure VY isn't the pick, and that's cool. I'm guilty of chanting "Reggie Bush, Reggie Bush" when we we're blowing the lead in the Rams game. But I will be a VY follower along with a being a Texans fan. I just think it's tasteless to predict any of these guys getting injured. I'm sure if either guy drove past you on the road after being in a wreck, they'd both get out and help, offer a phone, act as a witness, etc.... Quit being a punk
 
Huge said:
Young is a better runner and had a better QB rating in college than Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler or any other QB in this draft.

Are you saying Young is clearly the best prospect at QB?
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no i'm saying ryan dinwiddie is a future hall of famer.
 
vince is coming home to houston.
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kastofsna said:
it IS unfair to compare vince to vick. vick's a better runner and had a better QB rating in college. clearly the better prospect.
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Vince's Senior year, he's got a better rating than Lienart, has better passing effieciency rating than Lienart, and I hear they say he can run better than lienart.......

Thanks for showing us how to evaluate college QBs, this makes it much easier..
 
I've seen this Passing Efficiency statistic thrown around a lot. Since it's slow at work, I thought I'd do some digging and see what other QBs had led the nation over the past few years.

here's the top of the list over the last decade or so

2005
Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State
Brian Brohm, Louisville
Vince Young, Texas

2004
Stefan Lafours, Louisville
Alex Smith, Utah

2003
Philip Rivers, NC State
Stan Hill, Marshall

2002
Ryan Dinwiddie, Boise State
Brad Banks, Iowa

2001
Rex Grossman, Florida
David Carr, Fresno State

2000
Bart Hendricks, Boise State
Chris Weinke, Florida State

1999
Michael Vick, Virginia Tech
Joe Hamilton, Georgia Tech

1998
Shaun King, Tulane
Akili Smith, Oregon

1997
Cade McNown, UCLA
Ryan Leaf, Washington State

1996
Danny Wuerffel, Florida
Bobby Hoying, Ohio State



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables
http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0002331.html
 
Frak The Jags said:
Oblivion, you forgot. Vince is Already a better prospect Than Michael Vick. :sarcasm::rolleyes:

Believe it when I see it.
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So what do you need to see to be able to consider Vince a better prospect than Vick??

You have no problem seeing Reggie as a better prospect than Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, LT, DD, etc.........

What are you seeing there, that you don't see in Vince??
 
Frak The Jags said:
Oblivion, you forgot. Vince is Already a better prospect Than Michael Vick. :sarcasm::rolleyes:

Believe it when I see it.
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no! vince is damn good in collage and was just luck!? vick is damn good in nfl but not collage.
 
HeartofHouston said:
youre right it did upset with with his constant attempts to go straight for the side line on plays design to run up the middle but as you stated.. imagine what he could do if you ust takes it north and south into the hole..

but NFL RB mentality cant completely be achieved by a junior in college i say with a HC like Gary Kubiak and his proven track record of 1000 yard rushers he can get Bush pointed in the right direction..
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I cannot believe that you take the Bush hype seriously. I've said it before, and will say it again, that Bush can't carry Adrian Peterson's jockstrap. That said, even if Peterson were available this year, I'd still pick Vince Young.

In the last quarter century, when was the last time that a running back turned a losing franchise into a contender? Think of the great ones: Barry Sanders, OJ, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, etc. The answer is that none of them turned losing teams into winning teams. And you think little Reggie Bush is going to make our team a contender? Jeez!

Picking a small, over-hyped RB who needed sprinting spikes on a running track to clock his 40 time (Vince ran his on Astroturf with football cleats, BTW) in his struggle to impress the unwary is crazy. His own college coach (the great Pete Carroll) didn't trust him with the ball on key plays in the championship game. Carroll was right,of course, because Bush was consistently stuffed, stomped and caught from behind by the Texas defense.

Bush's coach devised his defense scheme for the game with one absolute in mind: Key on Vince Young. Everything USC did defensively was predicated on this. For all those who didn't watch the national championship game between Texas and USC in the Rose Bowl (and who therefore blather on about how Vince isn't all he's cracked up to be), let me inform you that Vince Young beat Carroll's defensive scheme; totally obliterated the image of USC's two bogus Heismanners (one of whom is little Reggie Bush); led his team to the first DivI NCAA football championship for a Texan university in 35 years; and won his SECOND consecutive Rose Bowl MVP award!

Oh, and BTW, great QB's repeatedly have turned losers into winners. Also BTW, both Steve McNair and Marcus Vick, who've been regularly trashed by sore losers to get at Vince Young, turned their franchises around ....in case you didn't notice. And Vince Young is better than either of those two superstars.
 
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