Stephen Hill

[76Texan]

Second Half

(3rd and 10) Washington, T. pass complete to Smith, O. for 17 yards to the GT47, 1ST DOWN GT, out-of-bounds.

You can see that on certain plays, Miami either double-teamed Hill straight out of the chute (as in the one mentioned in the first half); or they played in quarter as in this play. They wouldn't let Hill burn them deep.

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(4th and 3) Washington, T. pass incomplete to Sylvester, S..

The slot receiver was wide-open, but the QB just underthrew the ball (nothing is new here.)

On this play, Hill had more than a step on the RCB in a one-on-one situation deep along the side line (nothing fancy here - just speed).

Either the QB liked the wide-open look of his slot receiver too much, or he just didn't believe in his ability to throw the deep out all that much.

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(1st and 10) GEORGIA TECH drive start at 07:10.
(1st and 10) Washington, T. pass complete to Hill, S. for 9 yards to the GT23 (Telemaque, V.).

Simple catch on a swing pass from the right slot.
Shows a good cut to avoid the RCB (who had beaten the wide-out's block) to gain the yardage near the side line.

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(2nd and 12) Harris, J. pass complete to Streeter, T. for 16 yards to the GT17, 1ST DOWN UM (Thomas, J.)

Streeter found the open space in the 42 zone; standard catch, nothing to it.

 

[76Texan]

4th Qtr

(2nd and 15) Harris, J. pass incomplete to Streeter, T..

QB threw the ball away due to pressure.
Can't see clearly how Streeter ran the streak route on the right side line, but it looked like he had a decent-to-good stem.
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(1st and 10) GEORGIA TECH drive start at 13:55.
(1st and 10) Days, S. pass incomplete to Hill, S. (Williams, M.).

Can't see how Hill ran the sreak route either.
LCB was in phase with Hill and had inside position.
QB's throw was a little short and to the inside, the CB was able to tip the ball away.

I don't undertand the reason behind Tech having their wide-outs lining up between the numbers and the side line'; sometimes much closer to the side line than the numbers like this instance - Hill was about 3 yards from the side line.

Can't see the stem, but it looked like Hill needed to give the QB a little more room on the sideline if possible. It wasn't too bad as he still had some 2-3 yards to work with, but it doesn't help the QB greatly.

If Hill didn't have a good stem here, I can see the criticsim for "poor" route running, but like I said, the camera cut off the middle portion of the route, it was impossible to tell how he ran the route.

I don't think any of the critics had the coaches' tapes so they couldn't have seen these type of routes either, unless they were at the game in person.
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(2nd and 10) Days, S. pass complete to Melton, T. for 14 yards to the GT28, 1ST DOWN GT (Telemaque, V.).

Hill was double-teamed at the start of the route with the LCB playing way off the LOS while the safety came up to play underneath, guarding the passing lane.
....

 

[76Texan]

(3rd and 8) Harris, J. rush for loss of 3 yards to the GT22.
03:03

(4th and 11) Harris, J. pass incomplete to Streeter, T..

Streeter lined up just outside the left numbers and ran a decent fade route (about 25 yards, close to where the normal fade is usually ran.)

He had a decent stem inside, but also could have done a little better (a little more accentuation on the stem). He didn't press the CB hard enough, perhaps he should plant his foot harder to get a little better seperation.

The QB threw the ball at about 27-28 yards.
So one guy (the receiver) maybe was expecting a back shoulder fade while the QB threw the ball in the fade forward fashion.

It's close enough to be undecided as to who was at fault or it could be just a miscommunication. This is an area where I must confess only a real scout can give a true account.

 

[76Texan]

(2nd and 16) Washington, T. pass incomplete to Hill, S. (Robinson, M.).

On 2nd and 16, with the LCB played 13 yards off the line, Hill ran a simple hook route (looks like the plan was to get back into 3rd and manageable situation). The ball was deflected at the LOS, however.

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(3rd and 16) Washington, T. pass incomplete to Hill, S., PENALTY GT holding declined.

First time I've seen Hill ran a post-corner route, and he did a good job stemming (to hold the two-deep safety inside) and get open near the side line, for a possible 26-28 yd catch.

The QB was pressured and had to throw the ball away.
There was a holding call anyway.

But Hill did run a good route there.

...

This was week 8, and I still don't see where the criticism of Hill can hold (there's still 5 more games to go though).

Unless somebody was at the game and was able to witness first-hand (so they can combine their personal view with rewatching the game); otherwise, the current rating on Hill still stands for me.

 

[Rey]

I just watched a some clips of Stephen Hill and I am impressed. The does like to catch with his body, but he has shown excellent ability to catch with his hands too. He is a physical specimen (which is something I love). He will need to work on the nuances of football though and I have no idea how fast he will be able to grasp the Texans playbook and reads...But the guy does not suck.

Personally, I prefer Tommy Streeter out of Miami...I think he's more natural receiver than Hill and he is more of a hands catcher...He often goes to get the ball instead of letting it come to him...

But Streeter likely won't go in the first round and should be there in the second....

But if we took Hill in the first or second I wouldn't complain...

 

[76Texan]

the bolded only applies to defensive lineman in the trenches where room is limited. If a DL-man is actively engaged with an o-lineman up high, no other OL-man can intentionally hit said DL-man low at the same time; this prevents guys from getting rolled up on or getting their knees torn up.

It still happens on occasion accidentally (allegedly) but there is a rule in place to prevent it from becoming part of strategy.

everyone else out in the field where space is plentiful are fair game however.

Chop Blocks/Tripping: In most circumstances, players are not allowed to tackle below the knees. A chop block occurs when two players tackle an opponent, with one going high and the other hitting low. Tripping can be called when a player on the ground reaches out with his feet or hands to bring down an opponent who does not have posession of the ball.

http://www.life123.com/sports/football/nfl/nfl-rulebook.shtml

I think it's dangerous, especially when a defender undercuts from behind.
Not good for your ankle.

 

[Mr teX]

Chop Blocks/Tripping: In most circumstances, players are not allowed to tackle below the knees. A chop block occurs when two players tackle an opponent, with one going high and the other hitting low. Tripping can be called when a player on the ground reaches out with his feet or hands to bring down an opponent who does not have posession of the ball.

http://www.life123.com/sports/football/nfl/nfl-rulebook.shtml

I think it's dangerous, especially when a defender undercuts from behind.
Not good for your ankle.

yeah, thats the same rule im refering to...the just never call it on players out in the spacious areas of the fields b/c it happens all the time out there. It's mainly called in and around the LOS.

 

[76Texan]

yeah, thats the same rule im refering to...the just never call it on players out in the spacious areas of the fields b/c it happens all the time out there. It's mainly called in and around the LOS.

OK, I just thought I pointed that out.
It's just bad QBacking to lead your receiver into such danger, that is all.
That was how the receiver from Stanford miss several games (too many concussions).

 

[76Texan]

Week 9 vs Clemson

Tech threw only 9 times;
Hill caught a hightlight reel pass for 44 and dropped a "not-so-easy-to-catch" pass.
Hill was open a few times (at least 2 TDs, unless he drops the ball, LOL!)

And He was great in run blocking as usual.
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2nd Qtr

(2nd and 5) Washington, T. rush for 46 yards to the CU25, 1ST DOWN GT (WILLARD).

Good block by Hill, neutralizing the LCB, giving the QB room along the side line on the long run.
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(3rd and 0) Washington, T. pass incomplete to Hill, S.

On third and goal at the 6, Hill lined up outside the right numbers.
He ran some kind of a go route or fade route toward the corner (can't see the middle of the route from the TV angle).
QB was pressured and threw the ball out of bound.

Near the end of the play, TV shows that Hill had blocked out the LCB and had plenty of room near the side line (in the end zone), a good 4-5 yards at least.
With a tall receiver like Hill, that should be pitch and catch.

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(1st and 10) GEORGIA TECH drive start at 10:03.
(1st and 10) Sims, D. rush for 9 yards to the GT29 (CHRISTIAN;HAWKINS).

(2nd and 1) Washington, T. pass incomplete to Hill, S..

On a 45-yd vertical route (most likely the top-end of this QB's arm strength), Hill dropped a very catchable pass (but not the easiest pass to catch).

It looks like Hill was running a go route (outside release).
The CB was a step behind, but had inside position (obscuring the ball somewhat.)

A good pass should have been thrown to the outside or a yard or two deeper.
Hill was close to the numbers; he had at least 7-8 yards on the side line.

If Hill was to run a skinny post, then he would deserve a pure drop; however, as he was running a streak route, it's not all that simple for me to crucify him.
It's still a drop, but it's not a "terrible" drop.

Similar to the other drop, the approach angle to the ball is not optimum.
As I understand it, you'd like the receiver's shoulder to be as parallel to the LOS as possible, not to the side line.

Hill's speed is too fast for this QB, but (knowing his teammate) he needs to learn to adjust to the ball. Perhaps, he can do what Galloway did in the Skins game back in 2010 to put himself in a better situation to catch the ball.

The QB is not going to throw a perfect pass every time.
Hill could have encroach toward the inside a little more (as the DB never turned his head) to get a PI call when the DB runs into him.

LOL, I don't know, could be too much of my own narrative here, so let's just call this a drop.

At any rate, from what I saw, it looks more like technique rather than bad hands.
"Bad hands" is when a receiver is in good position and drops the ball.
I've seen Blackmon and Wright drop much easier catch than that.
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(1st and 10) Washington, T. pass complete to Hill, S. for 44 yards to the CU10, 1ST DOWN GT.

Make-up time for Hill.

In another inverted cover two situation, Hill ran a post route from outside the numbers.
The LCB knew that it was lost and tried to pull on Hill's shoulder (it makes no difference).

Hill shook it off, laid out to grab the ball with one hand, pulled it into the other hand so that he can brace his landing as to prevent a face palm (maintain control of the ball throughout the catch).

The highlight reel can be found here:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=313020059

(While you're there, watch the long TD catch by the Tigers' FR receiver Watkins.
He looked really, really good.)
...

 

[76Texan]

3rd qtr

(1st and 10) Washington, T. pass complete to Hill, S. for 3 yards to the GT26 (BREELAND;CHRISTIAN).

Swing pass; Hill did a pretty good job moving the CB back, but he reacted back well and made a good tackle, hanging on to Hill until the LB came to help.
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(3rd and 6) Washington, T. rush for 56 yards to the CU17, 1ST DOWN GT (WILLARD).

Nice route and blocking by Hill again.

He stemmed inside then planted his foot for the cut to the outside nicely, forcing the LCB to turn and run with him.

He then did enough to occupy the defender downfield for the QB to go down the side line for an extra 25 some yards before the rest of the defense can catch up.
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(1st and 10) Jones, R. rush for 9 yards to the CU2 (HALL).


A clear-out type of block for Hill.
He pushed the LCB almost out of the end zone.
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(2nd and 0) PENALTY GT delay of game (Washington, T.) 4 yards to the CU5.
(2nd and 0) Smith, O. rush for 4 yards to the CU1 (HALL;BREELAND).

After Tech committed a delay of game penalty, Hill put on another devastating block on the RCB (a different one from the previous play) on yet another running play.

This guy is a very good blocking receiver already.

 

[76Texan]

4th qtr

(1st and 10) GEORGIA TECH drive start at 10:51.

(1st and 10) Washington, T. pass intercepted by HALL at the GT35, HALL return 26 yards to the GT9 (Washington, T.).

Hill was all alone down the side line as both the CB and the safety somehow came down to play the run.

The QB picked the wrong receiver to throw to; his pass to the slot receiver was intercepted by the off-side safety.

The on-side safety tried to recover, but as we all know, speed kills.
You can't hardly afford a mistake against speed.
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Side note:

Clemson's true freshman WR Watkins made a big mistake cutting off his route causing his QB to throw an INT; other than that, this guy looks like a highly possible 1st rounder in the future. I'm thinking he'll come out early.

Aside from that route, Watkins ran several great routes, with good stems, good planting and good sharp break out of the cut. And he attacks the ball, snatching it out of the air. Looks like a young Fitzgerald to me.

 

[thunderkyss]

I just watched a some clips of Stephen Hill and I am impressed. The does like to catch with his body, but he has shown excellent ability to catch with his hands too. He is a physical specimen (which is something I love).

This is what I saw. He looks to have good hands to me. But, has a tendency to try to catch with his body.

At the combine, they had a couple of WRs & scouts talking about all the players & pointing out some technique things. Keeping your elbows in, locating the ball early... several things that could help receivers improve their catching skills.

When I look at Hill, I see things that proper coaching can fix. I don't know if we have proper coaching at the WR position.

But like you said, he is an elite athlete, there is no question about that. Can he become an elite WR? that is the chance that someone will take if they draft him in the first or second rounds.

I'm not saying the Texans should take him, like you though, I wouldn't be upset in the slightest if they did.

 

[steelbtexan]

The reason I like Randle more than Hill has to do with the last time the Texans drafted an unpolished WR (JJ) = Fail. I know it's it's not fair.

Hill has unreal talent and D.Thomas is now vouching for Hill saying Hill is going to be the next great WR. This is making me reconsider my position on Hill.

 

[beerlover]

The reason I like Randle more than Hill has to do with the last time the Texans drafted an unpolished WR (JJ) = Fail. I know it's it's not fair.

Hill has unreal talent and D.Thomas is now vouching for Hill saying Hill is going to be the next great WR. This is making me reconsider my position on Hill.

I like fact your displaying flexibility to change your stance. The aspect of Hill skill set is a rare combination of size & speed. His route tree will expand here, you know the Texans coaching staff will be excited to work with him & his humble demeanor will endear him to his teammates. Specifically, is the type of WR who Andre could groom & help him adjust to NFL.

Hill is the vertical threat Texans need, will keep defenses from compressing the box, most likely pulling both a corner & safety deep.

 

[mussop]

This is what I saw. He looks to have good hands to me. But, has a tendency to try to catch with his body.

At the combine, they had a couple of WRs & scouts talking about all the players & pointing out some technique things. Keeping your elbows in, locating the ball early... several things that could help receivers improve their catching skills.

When I look at Hill, I see things that proper coaching can fix. I don't know if we have proper coaching at the WR position.

But like you said, he is an elite athlete, there is no question about that. Can he become an elite WR? that is the chance that someone will take if they draft him in the first or second rounds.

I'm not saying the Texans should take him, like you though, I wouldn't be upset in the slightest if they did.

This! Add to that that he is a good blocker so I can see the texans taking a chance on him. Don't know if that is the route I would go but he brings alot to the table from the Texans POV.

 

[Rey]

I like fact your displaying flexibility to change your stance. The aspect of Hill skill set is a rare combination of size & speed. His route tree will expand here, you know the Texans coaching staff will be excited to work with him & his humble demeanor will endear him to his teammates. Specifically, is the type of WR who Andre could groom & help him adjust to NFL.

Hill is the vertical threat Texans need, will keep defenses from compressing the box, most likely pulling both a corner & safety deep.

What is the difference between Hill and Streeter as far as physical attributes?

I don't understand why Streeter isn't getting more attention. '

Texans seem to dip into the canes well almost every draft. I'm sure AJ would love to help Streeter become a solid pro. He's 6'5", runs extremely well, comes in as a really good redzone target already...He's good in the slot..

He's just raw...hasn't had a lot of playing time prior to this past season, but he did really well in his first extensive action. He is a field stretcher and has strong hands to bring the ball down in traffic.

Lets play a game....It's called Hill or Streeter...

Has a very impressive frame and the speed to match, an will be capable of making splash plays for his team as a rookie in the NFL. Late third-round value with the opportunity to ascend.

AnalysisStrengths: has premier tools to immediately stretch the field for an NFL offense. Has an elongated gate and is very comfortable sticking his foot in the ground to go up and get the football. Has really come on strong of late in his ability to separate from defenders in short/intermediate routes.

Weaknesses: needs to develop the technical parts of his game to be able to demand consistent playing time on the outside. He false steps often at the snap and has a below-average burst off the line, and although he uses his length well to avoid press, could have issues once teams start to get in his face at the line of scrimmage. Runs sloppy routes and isn't definitive in his movements.

Hill...Or Streeter....????

has great length and an outstanding catch radius, which along with his speed makes him a serious deep-threat option in the NFL. He has a thin frame and will be hurt by the fact that he ran a very basic route tree.

will be a legitimate deep threat at the next level -- by recording nearly 30 yards per catch, he showed he was capable of going deep and scoring on every play. He consistently runs past corners on deep routes and is impressive at the point of the catch, as he is able to lay out for the ball or rise above his defender.

value is based purely off his ability as a deep threat. Has average quickness and moves off the line of scrimmage to avoid a jam. He ran a very basic route tree in college that didn't allow him to showcase many skills. Outside of catching jump balls, he struggles to read coverages and understand how to find holes in a zone. He looks uncomfortable with the ball in his hands and resembles a lengthy track star on the field instead of a football player

Hill....or Streeter......


Most of you probably know who is who, but my point is that Streeter is almost the same guy, but with more of an ability to help right away because of his ability to run and get separation on short and intermediate routes as well as his ability to take the top off the defense.

 

[Lucky]

What is the difference between Hill and Streeter as far as physical attributes?

From watching the two, Hill just seems like the stronger athlete. He seems to break more tackles and keep his feet under him.

 

[76Texan]

NFLDraftScout.com
Stephen Hill caught 12 of 12 passes, running routes crisply and apparently answering questions about his route running. This from NFL Network draft expert Mike Mayock, who was on hand: "I think he's just kind of overwhelming from a height-weight-speed-upside perspective. I think he runs too well and catches too well to get out of the first round, in my opinion."
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NFLDraftScout.com

Wide receiver Stephen Hill wanted to leave a specific impression with the NFL coaches who flocked to Georgia Tech's pro day. "I just want to show them, because those are the guys who will be drafting me, that I can do great things other than just running deep routes," said the 6-4, 215-pounder, one of the stars of the NFL Combine, where he posted an unofficial 4.36 time in the 40-yard dash. Mission accomplished. With two head coaches -- Atlanta's Mike Smith and Lovie Smith of the Bears -- and most NFL teams in attendance, Hill did his part to continue nudging his draft stock upward. Running a variety of short and intermediate routes, Hill got in and out of his breaks fast and caught all 12 passes, including a fingertip-grab off the turf, form quarterback Eric Ward in Tuesday's workout. Vikings wide receiver coach George Stewart ran the receiver drills and ordered Hill through the route tree.
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Matt Barrows, The Sacramento Bee

There were 31 teams on hand to watch ascending wide receiver Stephen Hill run routes and catch passes today at Georgia Tech's pro day. The one absence, according to two people who attended? The San Francisco 49ers. Hill is the receiver who turned heads a couple of weeks ago at the scouting combine where, at 6-4, 215 pounds, he ran his 40-yard dash in less than 4.4 seconds and then looked fluid in his pass-catching drills. He understandingly opted to rest on his combine numbers today - which is perhaps why the 49ers didn't attend - and instead ran routes and caught passes. NFL Network's Mike Mayock reported that Hill caught 28 of the 33 balls that went his way. Don't be fooled by the 49ers' absence. He was one of the players they interviewed at the scouting combine, and they appear to be in a good position to take him in the draft.

 

[beerlover]

What is the difference between Hill and Streeter as far as physical attributes?

I don't understand why Streeter isn't getting more attention. '

Texans seem to dip into the canes well almost every draft. I'm sure AJ would love to help Streeter become a solid pro. He's 6'5", runs extremely well, comes in as a really good redzone target already...He's good in the slot..

He's just raw...hasn't had a lot of playing time prior to this past season, but he did really well in his first extensive action. He is a field stretcher and has strong hands to bring the ball down.

Not sure Streeter is coachable that is difference #1. #2 Streeter has not been coached up or had similar role model?#3 he quits early on plays, doesn't play through the whistle. #4 doesn't have good hands or technique is poor? I could go on but Hill has a good shot making instant impact, rather than Jacoby time line as a developmental prospect. That is the difference between a late first & third round WR.

 

[76Texan]

I've yet to study Streeter much.
Just three games: Ohio St (wk 3), Ks St (wk 4), and Ga Tech.

He didn't get his first start until week 4

Supposedly the Canes had a guy who's faster and a guy who's more explosive (Benjamin and Hurns).
Benjamin is a Sr; I think he also ran 4.36 at the combine, same as Hill; is that right?
Any thought on him?

Hurns is a true Soph; Streeter is a Rs Jr (so basically, Streeter had 2 years on Hurns.
Both Hurns and Streeter ended up with 7 starts. Benjamin had 9.

Should there be a concern with Streeter not being to start over Hurns early in the year?

In the 2 games that I watched so far, Streeter looked to be a possession receiver, running short route most of the time.
There were things to like and there were things not to like.

His routes didn't look as sharp as in the Ga Tech game.
He didn't attack the ball as much either.
Other than that, I like his hands and he can find the open space often, except when his routes weren't sharp.

I have yet to come to a conclusion on him yet; too early for me.

 

[mussop]

Not sure Streeter is coachable that is difference #1. #2 Streeter has not been coached up or had similar role model?#3 he quits early on plays, doesn't play through the whistle. #4 doesn't have good hands or technique is poor? I could go on but Hill has a good shot making instant impact, rather than Jacoby time line as a developmental prospect. That is the difference between a late first & third round WR.

#1 what makes you say this?
#2 Hill has been coached up?
#3 surely you have some examples of this!
#4 hasn't the same thing been said about Hill?
What makes you think Hill will make an immediate impact? What in his college career did he acomplish that makes you think he is further along than JJ was at the same point?

 

[Playoffs]

Streeter got a big red flag from me at the combine. Drops everywhere, but worse was a bad attitude & body language. I wouldn't touch him.

 

[76Texan]

Streeter got a big red flag from me at the combine. Drops everywhere, but worse was a bad attitude & body language. I wouldn't touch him.

I didn't watch him at the combine.
What kind of bad attitude & body language that he gave off?

I have yet to see him dropping any ball in those 3 games (he might in other games though). He just didn't help out the QB enough (sometimes he waits for the ball to arrive instead of attacking it - allowing the DB to close the gap.)

I just wonder why the QB Harris hadn't been connected with him much until this year. They played together in highschool, so what happened to the rapport?
Streeter caught 5 passes in his Rs Fr season, but only 1 in his Rs Soph season - he didn't play in the first four games of that season. Was he injured or was there another reason?

 

[leebigeztx]

I think if you work him in as a 1 trick pony at first, he will be ok. The problem is with college wrs are the conversions routes. People think most of the drops are bad hands and they're not. Say the play calls for the wr to run a 12 yard incut, but as you're running, you notice the cb bails out to give the look of cover 3.The wr accelerate, but he notices the lb like urlacher reading running in the middle. Covenrtional wisdom says break that to an out route or a hook. All of this is done withing 5 steps. Suddenly the qb throws the ball while you're converting and you drop it because it got on you too fast. Thats why guys drop passes. They're trying to read coverage and get where theyre trying to get to. Now the steelers only run wallace on a couple of routes and none of which he is converting routes. Thats why he has the production he has.

 

[Naiirb]

Uh oh Bears could become players at #19 for Stephen Hill

https://twitter.com/#!/walterfootball/status/177895028256014336

"Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune says that Lovie Smith had lunch with #GT WR Stephen Hill after his Pro Day."

 

[Lucky]

Uh oh Bears could become players at #19 for Stephen Hill

https://twitter.com/#!/walterfootball/status/177895028256014336

"Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune says that Lovie Smith had lunch with #GT WR Stephen Hill after his Pro Day."

Could be they think Floyd will be off the board @ #19. Or they took Floyd off their board due to character concerns.

 

[TimeKiller]

Wouldn't it be ridiculous if they took Hill 1 and Streeter 2? Just saying.

 

[bah007]

Could be they think Floyd will be off the board @ #19. Or they took Floyd off their board due to character concerns.

I think Floyd is pretty much a top 15 lock. I doubt he gets past #13.

 

[steelbtexan]

Uh oh Bears could become players at #19 for Stephen Hill

https://twitter.com/#!/walterfootball/status/177895028256014336

"Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune says that Lovie Smith had lunch with #GT WR Stephen Hill after his Pro Day."

Yep,

I thought there was a good chance of Hill going to the Bears at 19 if Floyd is off the board. Cutler asked for a bigger WR. I could see the Bears drafting Hill at 19 and Streeter in the 3rd.

Give me Marvin Jones in the 2nd and Streeter in the 3rd. Unless Randle is there in the 2nd. I know Gary talked to Jones at the Sr Bowl.

 

[Wolf6151]

Wouldn't it be ridiculous if they took Hill 1 and Streeter 2? Just saying.

I've thought about that as well. It sure would solidify us at WR for years to come.

 

[TimeKiller]

I've thought about that as well. It sure would solidify us at WR for years to come.

IDk, kinda seems like 2 huge gambles to me. But what if you ended up with double Randy Moss?!?

Also, it wouldn't fit our offense at all. Throwing deep is a....um....not so much....

 

[Rey]

From watching the two, Hill just seems like the stronger athlete. He seems to break more tackles and keep his feet under him.

I can dig it...

Hill is probably the overall stronger athlete even though Streeter did more reps on the BP...

Hill probably has more core strength and more lower body strength...

 

[Rey]

IDk, kinda seems like 2 huge gambles to me. But what if you ended up with double Randy Moss?!?

Also, it wouldn't fit our offense at all. Throwing deep is a....um....not so much....

Streeter is more than a deep threat...

In fact, he is very good operating out of the slot on short and intermediate routes...He's also really good in the redzone and in short yardage...

That is the main reason I want the Texans to consider him.

His ability to take the top off the defense is an added bonus as far as I'm concerned with him.

 

[76Texan]

Streeter is more than a deep threat...

In fact, he is very good operating out of the slot on short and intermediate routes...He's also really good in the redzone and in short yardage...

That is the main reason I want the Texans to consider him.

His ability to take the top off the defense is an added bonus as far as I'm concerned with him.

Streeter got better as the season went along.
His route running was still inconsistent (that can be fixed with time - I hope).
When he's on it, the route was sharp, and he looked good in and out of the break.
As he became starter, he saw more playing time, and ran more vertical routes.
He looks like a natural hand catcher (but he did drop an easy pass that I can remember).
His length is obviously his strength; he just needs to continue to work on being more aggressive attacking the ball.

Both are quick for their size, but Hill seems to be a little more fluid and "elusive".
On a few occasions, Streeter demonstrated the ability to absorb a hit while still hold on to the ball.

Streeter looks like a second rounder, but with his upside, he just might sneak into the first round (???)

Both of these guys have the potential to become a number 1.
I'm not sure about Randle or Wright.

 

[Playoffs]

I didn't watch him at the combine.
What kind of bad attitude & body language that he gave off?

Deer in the headlights, dropped almost everything, body language --- something I feel/see, not measurable/quantifiable.

OT: Lower round QB getting some buzz -- have you done any work on Lindley?

 

[76Texan]

Deer in the headlights, dropped almost everything, body language --- something I feel/see, not measurable/quantifiable.

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I see what you mean.
He dropped a cooule of passes as seen in the video to follow.
These are instances where he didn't attack the ball as I'd mentioned.

http://www.procanes.com/files/ce72a88991531d99026da7218ef8cb73-11264.html

Probably wasn't comfortable with the surrounding, maybe?
Or he could be focusing on running routes and drop the ball?
It does make one question the mental part of his game; the fact that he didn't win a starting job out of spring ball lurking in the back of one's mind.
The things Michael Irving said...

I wonder how much a regional scout was able to see during spring practices.
Are they allowed at team practices? How much can they see during pre-game warm-up, etc.

I think Miami had their pro-day yesterday or today. Any news on how and what he did?

I imagine a second or third round grade maybe more appropriate for him?

 

[76Texan]

OT: Lower round QB getting some buzz -- have you done any work on Lindley?

Don't know if I ever get to him.

Been scrutinizing Kirk Cousins and his receiver B.J. Cunningham.

After watching Cousins against Ohio St., ND, Michigan, Wisconsin, and a couple of lesser opponents, I was ready to write off Cousins.
He made too many mistakes (too many WTF moments) for a 5th year senior to think he can ever be a legit NFL starter.

But I decided to watch some more to be sure.
Against Nebraska, he looked like Gabbert against the Texans.
Well, he was actually worse.
He only had one INT for the game, but really, the Cornhuskers could have had 5 or 6.

This is another case of a QB who can be quite good without pressure.
From what I saw, it will take a lot of work for Cousins to evern become a legit NFL starter.

Cunningham, on the other hand, looks like a decent possibility for a number 2.
I think I'll watch some more of him later.

I might switch to a different tandem: A&M, AZ, AZ St.?

I've watched Lindley some the year before, but not this year.
What's your opinion on him?

 

[Playoffs]

I think Miami had their pro-day yesterday or today. Any news on how and what he did?

Oddly, no. He & the RB didn't run, just drills. Appears Miami had a couple of troubled WRs that ran well, looked good.

 

[76Texan]

Oddly, no. He & the RB didn't run, just drills. Appears Miami had a couple of troubled WRs that ran well, looked good.

His combine number is good enough, he didn't have to run.
I would have like to find out how he ran the drills.

I found some links showing that Streeter didn't see much playing time until this past year due to drop passes, and poor work habit (by his own admission):

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/hurricanes/receiver-tommy-streeter-impresses-in-miami-hurricanes-second-1388827.html

http://www.footballscoop.com/news/3443-miami-fl-coaches-not-interested-in-seeing-67-dropped-passes

The guy who got the most starts last year was Benjamin who ran a 4.36 at the combine. He also has value as a return specialist. But he's small and doesn't play big. He was used mostly on the side line. What I like about him is that he's smart. When the QB starts to scramble, he will adjust his route. He did help out Jacoby Harris often. He knows how to work the DB to gain advantage here and there. If we can combine Benjamin and Kendall Wright, we would have a hell of a player.

 

[Lucky]

The guy who got the most starts last year was Benjamin who ran a 4.36 at the combine. He also has value as a return specialist. But he's small and doesn't play big.

The Texans need a returner (assuming Jacoby is gone). I just don't think Marciano is going to be able to talk Kubiak into another short return specialist, after the Holliday experiment. I like Chris Rainey's versitility, but I just don't see Kubiak going for him, either.

 

[beerlover]

The Texans need a returner (assuming Jacoby is gone). I just don't think Marciano is going to be able to talk Kubiak into another short return specialist, after the Holliday experiment. I like Chris Rainey's versitility, but I just don't see Kubiak going for him, either.

Hill has kick return experience & ability. Jacoby will be on a short leash yet remain Texan primary punt returner. Least that's how I see Kubiak playing his cards should they select Hill.

 

[76Texan]

The Texans need a returner (assuming Jacoby is gone). I just don't think Marciano is going to be able to talk Kubiak into another short return specialist, after the Holliday experiment. I like Chris Rainey's versitility, but I just don't see Kubiak going for him, either.

What T. Benjamin has that Hollday didn't is the receiving and route running skills.
Benjamin (not Streeter) was the "go to" guy for Jacory Harris.

While it's true that his game is finess. He's only some 172 lbs, but he's over 5-9.
His vertical is 38" and his broad jump is nearly 10".

I'm concerned about his lack of phisicality, but I think somebody will draft him on the third day. I've seen people slot him on the second day.

Not that I'm promoting the Texans to draft him, it's just that I see him as one op the options in the late rounds.

 

[thunderkyss]

Hill has kick return experience & ability. Jacoby will be on a short leash yet remain Texan primary punt returner. Least that's how I see Kubiak playing his cards should they select Hill.

I like to think Kubiak is more practical than that. Throughout OTAs & training camp, I'm sure they (Kubiak & Marciano) are going to be looking at everyone. If there is a better option at punt returns, I wouldn't see it past them to start the guy.

I like Jacoby, I've never hid that. Jacoby may have been one of he better punt returners of 2011, but there is still plenty of opportunity for improvement in that phase of the game. If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

 

[aussie_texan]

theres manning and keo on the roster atm the could return kick offs and punts

 

[Playoffs]

Lengthy, but fantastic 3-part read by Matt Waldman - well worth the effort:

WRs Stephen Hill and Marvin Jones: Managing Physical Play (Short)

Georgia Tech wide receiver Stephen Hill is tall, fast, and has a frame that will likely support another 10-15 pounds of muscle without sacrificing his 4.36-40 speed. Cal wide receiver Marvin Jones is a shade under 6’2″ and 200 pounds and he appears to have the type of physique that wouldn’t add weight if he injected liquified Crisco with an IV. Yet if I were building a team from scratch and you asked me which receiver I’d rather have catching passes from my quarterback, at this moment I’d take Jones despite the fact Hill’s physical skills are uncommon...

WRs Stephen Hill and Marvin Jones: Going Deep

This week I have been spotlighting the craft of playing receiver and using plays from the careers of Georgia Tech’s Stephen Hill and Cal’s Marvin Jones as examples. Yesterday, I profiled two crossing routes that couldn’t have been run more different from each other. Today, I’m going deep and examining a vertical play from both receivers...

Vertical Goodness: Stephen Hill

I’ve been critical of the Georgia Tech receiver all week, but I’ve also been saying that the star of the Combine is more than just a gold medal winner 2012′s Underwear Olympics at Lucas Oil Stadium. Hill is a legit prospect with NFL starter upside. Although I’ve spent several pages analyzing what Hill doesn’t do, one play can encompass most of his strengths. On the surface, one good play to several not so good ones might seem heavily weighted to the negative. However, there are certain talents that don’t require lengthy analysis to value...

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Looking forward to reading those articles.

I am beginning to find myself in the Stephen Hill @ 26 2012 camp.

Just think that with basically a solid team looking for that little bit extra, rolling the dice on a what-if might be the ticket.

 

[steelbtexan]

Looking forward to reading those articles.

I am beginning to find myself in the Stephen Hill @ 26 2012 camp.

Just think that with basically a solid team looking for that little bit extra, rolling the dice on a what-if might be the ticket.

This is why I've changed my mind and want Hill over Randle.

The Texans are at a point that picking Hill is worth the gamble. I'm begining to dubt that Hill will be there at 26.

 

[El Tejano]

For me, when it comes to drafting a WR, I wanna know if the guy can come in and be the #1 receiver should the unthinkable ever happen to the guy we already love playing WR for this team (I will not say his name for the sake of preventing it from happening).

Sometimes I just don't think Hill can be that dude. I think he would be a perfect compliment reciever but not the main guy. Kind of like Alvin Harper was with Michael Irvin. Harper was awesome at Dallas but when he went to Tampa Bay and the focus was on him, he was horrible.

 

[Playoffs]

Looking forward to reading those articles.

I am beginning to find myself in the Stephen Hill @ 26 2012 camp.

Read the articles, you might question Hill and reconsider Marvin Jones. The photo-diagrams really help.

 

[76Texan]

Read the articles, you might question Hill and reconsider Marvin Jones. The photo-diagrams really help.

PO, the guy was just over-analyzing Hill, using tapes that is over a year and a half old.

When you watch guys from that time frame, I think it's best to look for what he did do well.

Now if he didn't show hardly any improvement in his Senior year, the analyt would have a case.
From what I saw, he doesn't have a case.

There are videos out there at the combine and his pro day.
You can watch his route running, which was already better as the season went along.

I doubt that Hill will last past the first round.