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State of the Texans -- 16 for #16 for the Texans

steelbtexan said:
After what happened with Clowney last yr I don't see any way that the Texans pick Gurley at 16. Of course with Smith you cant ever underestimate his ability to fail.
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Aftwr what happwnwd with Clowney last year it is imperative that Smith hits on a game changer. If we pass on Gurly & he goes on to become the next Adrian Peterson/Arian Foster, then that's on him & he better be packing his bags.
 
Another vote for Cameron Erving-C/OT at #16, he's worth the pick. There's also guys like Kevin Johnson-CB or Malcolm Brown-DT that should be available if all the top WR's and OLB prospects are gone.
 
thunderkyss said:
Aftwr what happwnwd with Clowney last year it is imperative that Smith hits on a game changer. If we pass on Gurly & he goes on to become the next Adrian Peterson/Arian Foster, then that's on him & he better be packing his bags.
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See, I never got that logic. If Gurley is that level of player he'd be worth a top 5/10 pick. Should all the other GMs in that range in front of Houston resign as well for not taking a chance on a guy with injury history?, etc.

As for Erving, he's a pick I wouldn't mind at 16th overall. Picking him would give us a super-young and talented core on the inside of the line between Su'a-Filo, Erving, and Brooks and with Newton at OT while we eventually find Brown's replacement.
 
bhsman said:
See, I never got that logic. If Gurley is that level of player he'd be worth a top 5/10 pick. Should all the other GMs in that range in front of Houston resign as well for not taking a chance on a guy with injury history?, etc.

As for Erving, he's a pick I wouldn't mind at 16th overall. Picking him would give us a super-young and talented core on the inside of the line between Su'a-Filo, Erving, and Brooks and with Newton at OT while we eventually find Brown's replacement.
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Smith is in a no win situation. I'm just pointing that out.
 
16 for the Houston Texans: Marcus Peters
Marcus Peters' season at the University of Washington was cut short after a confrontation with an assistant coach during practice, which led him to be dismissed from the team. Questions instantly surrounded Peters' maturity and soon Peters declared for the NFL Draft.

“I made some immature decisions at the University of Washington and it hurt me truly," said Peters. ”So I’ve just got to learn from my mistakes and I grow from it.’’

Since being dismissed, Peters reconciled with his teammates and coaches at Washington and they opened the door for him to participate at the Huskies pro-day. Peters addressed going back to campus: “Had a real good conversation with Coach (Chris) Petersen. We sat down and we talked about everything that happened. I sincerely apologized to him again for what I put him and the team through throughout this year.” Teams have dug deeper into Peters and his issues and at the Combine, Peters talked about what NFL teams were aksing him early. “They want to know the character. Am I a hothead? Which is false. I made some immature decisions and I live from them and I learn from them and I grow as a man.’’

His production was not the issue, holding opponents to a 38.1% completion percentage during the 2013 and 2014 season. In 2014, Peters appeared in 8 games and had 25 total tackles, three interceptions, and ten pass deflections. For his career, Peters had 11 interceptions with 35 pass deflections, showing he has the instincts to get to the football in the air. His production before his junior season landed him All-Pac 12 honors.

Scouts Take
Talented cover cornerback with size, ball skills and the confidence NFL teams are looking for, but lacks the necessary discipline and maturity on the field and in practice. Peters has raw talent, but is far from a polished cornerback, and that is without taking the character concerns into consideration. If his character checks out, then he has a shot at going on the first day.
Lance Zierlien, NFL.com

The son of a coach, Peters is extremely talented with first round traits, but his history of selfish immaturity and insubordination has NFL teams working overtime investigating his character. He has since apologized to the Washington coaches and mended the relationship, taking accountability and calling the incident a “miscommunication” – pointed to family-friend Marshawn Lynch as someone who mentored him throughout the process. Peters, who has a newborn son (Carson), is hard-headed and a brash spark plug, but those aren’t the worst qualities for the position as long as he matures and figures out how to turn down his emotions off the field. He is passionate about football and his tough-minded approach serves him well on the field, showing confidence to be an instigator and shut down talented pass-catchers. Peters allows his mechanics to break down and get sloppy, but he has the size, athleticism and cover skills to be a No. 1 corner at the next level who does his best work in press – top-15 overall talent with a high NFL ceiling, but the reward won’t be worth the risk for several evaluators who will remove him from their draft board.
Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com​
How Does It Help the Texans?

With Johnathan Joseph on the last season of his contract, the addition of Peters can give the Texans more youth to be teamed with veteran Kareem Jackson.
The Texans have done their homework on Peters, having a pre-draft visit in Houston to find out more about the talented cornerback. Finding out what exactly happen to get Peters dismissed is the most important thing on making a decision on drafting him.

Peters will give the Texans a cornerback who can play press man and give NFL size at the position. He could be almost to good to pass up. NFL teams can not have enough cornerbacks and Peters could be a starter by 2016.
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This guy is a joy to watch in man coverage. It's such a unique, almost innate, ability athletically to stay up on an elite receivers hip throughout a route and not lose a step, and this guy can absolutely do it.
 
thunderkyss said:
Smith is in a no win situation. I'm just pointing that out.
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And I'm just pointing out that you're the one putting him there from how you phrased it. If the Texans draft Randy Gregory with Gurley on the board (or any other prospect) and that player becomes a star along with Gurley, should Smith still leave just because he passed on Gurley? That's my point.
 
bhsman said:
And I'm just pointing out that you're the one putting him there from how you phrased it. If the Texans draft Randy Gregory with Gurley on the board (or any other prospect) and that player becomes a star along with Gurley, should Smith still leave just because he passed on Gurley? That's my point.
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It doesn't matter. He gets no credit for drafting Demeco, Jj, Hopkins, or Duane Brown. He only gets credit for Amobi, Brandon Harris, and anyone else the haters aren't happy with.


If you knew anything about sarcasm you'd have seen my post as a dig at steelB
 
thunderkyss said:
It doesn't matter. He gets no credit for drafting Demeco, Jj, Hopkins, or Duane Brown. He only gets credit for Amobi, Brandon Harris, and anyone else the haters aren't happy with.


If you knew anything about sarcasm you'd have seen my post as a dig at steelB
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Fair, though it's difficult to be sarcastic only through text, and by saying things more than a few have said earnestly. :p
 
thunderkyss said:
Aftwr what happwnwd with Clowney last year it is imperative that Smith hits on a game changer. If we pass on Gurly & he goes on to become the next Adrian Peterson/Arian Foster, then that's on him & he better be packing his bags.
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There is no one in the draft that will cause OB to pack his bags. Smith only gets who coach wants so he's safe.

I know it goes against the grain of some to keep anybody from three years ago, but there was talent on that 12-4 team, both on the field and in the front office.
 
Now Collins must deal with a third issue. NFL Media's Albert Breer tweeted Friday that Collins failed multiple drug tests during his time in Baton Rouge, citing sources with four NFL teams.

As with any prospect, off-the-field issues are going to be examined closely by every club and interpreted in many different ways by each. It can't be a good thing for Collins' stock, though, to have news of failed tests appear less than a week before the draft.
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**** OK so there's another prospect that just fell off of the Texans' Board, certainly for first-round consideration and I've seen some mocks with him going to Houston at #16.
 
Playoffs said:
I think he's okay. My understanding is he took the time off and dealt with his problem. Might explain why he started only 10 games. May have a KJ type rookie season, but I think he'll be a player.
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I hope you're right PO, because I think CB will be a strong possibility for the Texans @ 16 with a talented prospect coming in to play nickel for us this year and then replacing Joseph when he moves on after the '15 season.
Hey this Draft is def more interesting for Texans' fans than last years when we knew for some time leading up to Draft day who we were going to take in the first round. However this years Draft for our team seems totally wide-open in terms with of who we draft in the first round, or even which position he plays ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I hope you're right PO, because I think CB will be a strong possibility for the Texans @ 16 with a talented prospect coming in to play nickel for us this year and then replacing Joseph when he moves on after the '15 season.
Hey this Draft is def more interesting for Texans' fans than last years when we knew for some time leading up to Draft day who we were going to take in the first round. However this years Draft for our team seems totally wide-open in terms with of who we draft in the first round, or even which position he plays ?
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Good points. Must spread rep.
 
IDEXAN said:
...this years Draft for our team seems totally wide-open in terms with of who we draft in the first round, or even which position he plays ?
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Add in some trades at the top of the draft and it's even more wide open.

Also, I've felt #16 may be a pivot point for teams seeking Gurley which would add even more variation. Should make for some interesting shenanigans.
 
16 for the Houston Texans: Jaelen Strong

Questions surround Jaelen Strong and what he brings to the NFL game, but the former Arizona State wide receiver put majority of the questions to rest with his NFL Combine and pro day workouts. Considered a player who has a good feel for the game, Strong ran a 4.44 forty-yard dash at the NFL Combine at 6'2" and 217 lbs.

Strong is confident in his ability on the field physically as well as in his knowledge of the game. Both are attributes which could potentially put him into the discussion as a first round wide receiver. “I’m very, very smart when it comes to getting up on the board and recognizing coverages, recognizing hot reads and things like that," said Strong on his mental acumen. “That’s something the media doesn’t know about me. You guys see what I put on film.”

With good NFL size, Strong developed into the go-to target for the Sun Devils the past two seasons and in 2014 he had 82 receptions for 1,165 yards and 10 touchdowns. A true red zone target, Strong had 17 receiving touchdowns in his two seasons at Arizona State. The All-PAC 12 selection decided to skip his senior season to enter the NFL Draft.

Strong is confident in his ability and knows that there is more for him in the NFL. “I always had it. Even at West Catholic, I knew I had the chance to play at this level if I just put my mind to it and work hard enough," said Strong. “I’m going to work hard every day. The thing about me is I haven’t reached my peak yet. I know I have a lot of coaching left in me. I’m going to bring it every day.”
A 76-inch wingspan, 42-inch vertical, and 10-foot plus broad jump has Strong checking all the boxes for an NFL prospect. With 157 catches in the past two seasons, Strong attributes his success to his overall ability as a player.

“Physical, dominant, huge catch radius," Strong said on his strengths. “Anything you throw in my vicinity, I’ll try to go get it.”

With a visit to the Texans for a medical re-check concerning an injured wrist, Strong has come out and said the wrist is not an issue moving forward.

The complexity of an NFL offense could worry some, but Strong is ready for whatever NFL team selects him in the draft. “I’m a quick learner, eager to get out there and compete.”

Scouts Take
Individual elements of Strong's game aren't awe-inspiring, but scouts really love the entirety of his game and where it is headed. His strength, size and ability to catch contested throws will be coveted by some, but his issues with separation quickness can only be solved if he becomes much better in his route-running. Strong looks the part of a physical, possession receiver with a relatively high floor.
- Lance Zierlien, NFL.com

A prospect who passes the eye test, Strong has an excellent blend of size, length and athleticism and he didn’t take long to establish himself as Arizona State’s top target. It’s easy to see that he has a basketball background on the football field with his body control and power, which shouldn’t be a surprise as the son of John Rankin, who is a basketball legend in the city of Philadelphia. Strong lacks the explosive traits or prowess as a route runner to create a ton of separation, but he has confident mitts and the hand/eye coordination to be a natural plucker even with defenders draped all over him. He might not be a home run hitter in the NFL, but Strong projects as a consistent singles and doubles hitter with the possession wide receiver traits to move the chains and do damage in the red zone – solid second round option who will do his best work in the red zone and benefit as the No. 2 receiving option in an offense.
- Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com​
How Does It Help the Texans?

The Houston Texans offense...
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http://hou.scout.com/story/1540799-16-for-the-houston-texans-jaelen-strong?s=116
 
thunderkyss said:
It doesn't matter. He gets no credit for drafting Demeco, Jj, Hopkins, or Duane Brown. He only gets credit for Amobi, Brandon Harris, and anyone else the haters aren't happy with.


If you knew anything about sarcasm you'd have seen my post as a dig at steelB
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Smith is the GM of an NFL franchise that went 2-14 two seasons ago and somehow still has a job. If he was even good that record would've never happened.

Tell me about the players he lost in FA over the last 3 yrs and who he has drafted to replace those losses? This is the root of the Texans issues. IMHO.

Hopefully the Texans philosophy has change with the impact signings like Wilfork/Moore and to a lesser extent Shorts/Washington in FA.

Also Smith was behind the Schaub extention.
 
steelbtexan said:
Smith is the GM of an NFL franchise that went 2-14 two seasons ago and somehow still has a job. If he was even good that record would've never happened.
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That depends on what you've identified as the root of the problem. If you place the majority of the blame on the head coach it isn't unreasonable for the GM to still be employed.

steelbtexan said:
Tell me about the players he lost in FA over the last 3 yrs and who he has drafted to replace those losses? This is the root of the Texans issues. IMHO.
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If these guys were disappearing from the NFL I'd agree we had a coaching problem. But others are finding use for the talent Smith is acquiring. Kubiak controls the 53

steelbtexan said:
Hopefully the Texans philosophy has change with the impact signings like Wilfork/Moore and to a lesser extent Shorts/Washington in FA.
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Moore & Shorts seem a lot like Anthony Weaver, Antonio Smith, & Kevin Walter to me. Young promising talent that hopefully hasn't peaked. Washington & Wilfork look like Ahman Green, Eric Moulds, Ed Reed... Let's hope they turn out better.

steelbtexan said:
Also Smith was behind the Schaub extention.
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Maybe so. It's not like I'm saying Rick Smith doesn't make mistakes, or that he should even be our GM... I think last year's team was a QB away from winning our division. Mostly due to good coaching, but also because the coach has quality tools to work with.


I'm hoping OB is on to something, knows what he is doing to solve the QB issue & we win the division in 2015.
 
Would be completely satisfied with Strong at 16. Chain-mover, red zone target, can run after catch, big catch radius. A strong armed QB like Mallet could throw him open often. I could see he and Hopkins dominating the sidelines while Shorts and Washington buzz around underneath. My goodness with an actual TE threat in the seams that sounds rather formidable.
 
Strong is a guy whose stock has dropped a little for me as of late, but I'd have no problem with him at 16th overall if all the Tier 1 wideouts are gone; Strong for me is somewhere between 1 and 2 right now for me in terms of tiers.
 
16 for the Houston Texans: Shane Ray

One of the top quarterback sack artists in college football, Missouri's Shane Ray brings a tenacity off the edge that has NFL teams looking more closely at the 2014 SEC Defensive Player of the Year.

Taking over at right defensive end after Missouri had three players in the rotation in front of him his sophomore season, Ray answered during his junior season with 14.5 sacks. The consensus All-SEC and All-American had 65 total tackles with 22.5 TFLs for the Tigers, leading their defense. “I play with a lot of passion and a lot of energy," said Ray. “I’m really physical. I’ve shown that I can make plays in the open field, that I can drop into coverage.”

Some feel Ray’s best position in the NFL will be at outside linebacker, and, with a 6'2" and 249 lb. frame, Ray will be forced to add weight to play the position at the next level. Ray doesn’t see a potential move to the edge in a 3-4 defense as an issue. Ray explained, “Throughout my career, my coaches moved me all around the defense. I’ve played over three techniques and beat guards, I’ve stood up and rushed from the middle, I’ve dropped into coverage and came back and covered guys coming out of the backfield.” He continued, “And I’ve just displayed my speed consistently, and what I can do as a 4-3 defensive end and outside linebacker.”

Ray declared early for the draft and the majority of NFL 3-4 defenses have been keeping a close eye on him as the draft process has moved along. Concerns about his foot have flagged teams to potentially not spend a high draft pick on Ray.

There were rumors surrounding Ray that he could need surgery before the season starts, but according to Ray’s camp that is not the case and he will be ready for the season.

Ray is confident in his ability and made it clear what he can bring to a NFL team: “Honestly, I think they’re pretty pleased with what they see, and my confidence and my work ethic will show that any system I go into I can fit in,” proclaimed Ray. “I’m able to do whatever the coach needs for me to do.”

Scout’s Take
It's hard to find many play weaknesses for Ray, but his lack of overall length is one area that some teams have concerns about. He pursues the quarterback and the ball like it's his last snap. An alpha male packaged in an explosive frame, Ray has the traits and skills to be a dominant pass rusher and potential Pro Bowler. He also has the athleticism and strength to play in any defensive front.
- Lance Zierlien, NFL.com

Average size for the position and lacks ideal height/length dimensions...adequate bulk on his frame, but has room to get stronger and eliminate some bad weight...relies on speed and won’t overwhelm blockers with his hands at the point of attack...lacks much creativity in his pass rush arsenal and needs to be more diverse to keep blockers guessing – needs to develop his hand/arm technique and improve his secondary moves if he doesn’t win with his first step...too easily engulfed and controlled when blockers cut him off early in his rush angle...has some tightness in space and lacks experience dropping in space...needs to improve his on-field discipline with several costly late hit penalties on his game tapes, including an ejection from the 2014 SEC Championship for targeting the quarterback...only one season as the full-time starter...minor durability concerns – sat out the 2015 NFL Scouting Combine due to a right foot injury.
-Dane Brugler, NFLDradftScout.com​
How Does It Help the Texans?

Shane Ray would be added to the Texans outside linebacker group with Whitney Mercilus, John Simon, and Jadeveon Clowney. He would be an early contributor on passing downs and be part of the JACK linebacker rotation. His experience as a 4-3 defensive end will get him back into a comfort zone with his hand on the ground in the nickel and dime situations.

The Texans are going to have to do a good medical check on Ray’s foot that kept him out of the NFL Combine. His foot does not need surgery, but some feel it will be a year-to-year issue. If the foot checks out, there is a possibility that Ray will be the player at 16 waiting for them.
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Get. The. Guy. With. The Best. Motor. And. Football. IQ.

I don't care how many times I have to say it. After drafting JJ Watt I don't want anyone else who doesn't go 100% all the time or is a moron. I don't even care what position.

No guys who have injury concerns. No guys who have character concerns. No guys who have work ethic concerns. None of that ****.

The blueprint is there. Follow it. For all our picks.
 
16 for the Houston Texans: Randy Gregory
The Houston Texans brought in Nebraska defensive end Randy Gregory to learn more about the talented but high-risk first round prospect. At 6'5" and 235 lbs., Gregory’s talent is not in question but his off the field substance abuse and positive drug test prior to the NFL Combine are definitely raising red flags among NFL decision makers.

In 2014, Gregory appeared in 11 games, starting 10, with 54 total tackles and 7 sacks. In two seasons with the Nebraska Cornhuskers, Gregory had 17.5 sacks and 29 TFLs, which earned him All-American and Big-Ten honors. This led to Gregory declaring for the NFL Draft prior to his Junior season.

Considered one of the top pass rushers in the draft, Gregory knows how important he is to a defense. “You need a defensive end who can rush the passer,” said Gregory. “I understand that aspect of the game and I am glad I am in a position where I possibly could get taken early due to the fact I am pretty decent at pass rushing.”

His talent is not the issue with teams. Gregory has some issues that he needs to handle in interviews to prove he can learn from his past mistakes. With his positive test at the Combine, Gregory will be in the NFL’s substance abuse program and, with his next positive test, will face a two-game suspension.
How Gregory and his camp have managed damage control the news of his abuse is still yet to be seen. A potential top 10 pick, Gregory could easily slide into the late 1st round with this recent news.

Scouts Take
A 3-4 outside linebacker with the length, toughness and closing burst to immediately help a run defense. Gregory could stand to add more weight to his frame and needs plenty of technique work and a patient coach for his pass-rush skill to match his traits. Gregory's draft stock has been clouded with a positive drug test at the combine to go with failed tests for marijuana while at Nebraska. High-ceiling, low-floor prospect.
-Lance Zierlien, NFL.com

Explosive get-off to burst upfield quickly with terrific speed and range...looks natural in space with easy ankle flexion and change of direction skills to easily redirect and close...fluid dip and body control around the edge with lateral quickness to flatten...long strides to effortlessly accelerate in pursuit to chase and catch ballcarriers – often lined up on the field side with his athleticism to play the run in space...unlocks and uses his length to swim and club as a pass rusher...not shy extending and shooting his hands into blockers with violent, aggressive limbs at the point of attack – initiates the action and enjoys talking to get in the head of opponents...uses his length well to work off blocks with improved hand use to hold the edge – dynamic movements to never be out of the play...competitive and scrappy, always seeking out contact and forcing opponents to account for him...reliable motor and fights to the ball, looking to get involved – not a spectator and won’t give up on plays...improved ball awareness to read the play with quick reflexes, staying home and not overpursuing...doesn’t often lose contain, doing a better job anchoring at the point of attack...experienced at left and right defensive end with his hand on the ground or a two point stance...highly productive during his two seasons in Lincoln (20 starts) with 29.0 tackles for loss, 17.5 sacks and 34 QB pressures, including two blocked kicks in 2014.
Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com​
How Does It Help the Texans?

First and foremost, the Texans have to check his background extensively before pulling the trigger, if he is available. If the Texans feel they can help Gregory learn from his mistakes, the value of the pass rusher at 16 could be huge. Gregory was brought to Houston for a pre-draft visit to find out more about him and if he passes all of the Texans interviews and background checks, the pick could be a solid one from a football point of view.

Gregory could be a key edge player early for the Texans and could be eased into the lineup. Adding Gregory and letting him grow as a player with Jadeveon Clowney could give the Texans a nice combination on the edge along with Whitney Mercilus.

Now the only question is whether the Texans trust in Gregory enough to believe he will do the right thing once he earns his first NFL paycheck.
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TheMatrix31 said:
Get. The. Guy. With. The Best. Motor. And. Football. IQ.

I don't care how many times I have to say it. After drafting JJ Watt I don't want anyone else who doesn't go 100% all the time or is a moron. I don't even care what position.

No guys who have injury concerns. No guys who have character concerns. No guys who have work ethic concerns. None of that ****.

The blueprint is there. Follow it. For all our picks.
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Texan worthy available 16th pick-

Landon Collins
Malcom Brown
La'el Collins
Kevin Johnson
Jake Fisher
Eric Kendricks
 
Gregory just scares the hell out of me. I've got a big "DO NOT WANT" for him.

Ray... I'd be OK with that. We've had pretty good success with guys that have good work ethics.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Get. The. Guy. With. The Best. Motor. And. Football. IQ.

I don't care how many times I have to say it. After drafting JJ Watt I don't want anyone else who doesn't go 100% all the time or is a moron. I don't even care what position.

No guys who have injury concerns. No guys who have character concerns. No guys who have work ethic concerns. None of that ****.

The blueprint is there. Follow it. For all our picks.
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Yep, that blueprint has worked great for the last 12 yrs.
 
I'm more concerned with Gregory being a paralyzed at the los, reading & reacting guy than I am him being a knucklehead. And there's gotta be concern that he's some degree of a knucklehead.

With Ray you get none of those things, assuming of course his foot doesn't club the start of his career.
 
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infantrycak said:
That blueprint hasn't been followed by the Texans. If it was Carr wouldn't have been their 1st draft pick.
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What blueprint would you say has been followed?

The Carr pick was an outlier. IMHO McNair wanted a cookies and milkshakes kind of guy to be the face of the franchise. He didn't realize that he would be dealing with Roger Carr on a daily basis.

He also didn't realize that while Carr said all of the right things football wasn't the most important thing to Carr.

What strategy do you think has been employed in the rest of the Texans drafts drafts? I think they go by BPA at position of need and that player has to have very little to no character concerns. So far the results of this strategy has left the on the field product lacking. IMHO

They should just take the most talented players in each rd within reason and don't look back.
 
steelbtexan said:
What blueprint would you say has been followed?

What strategy do you think has been employed in the rest of the Texans drafts drafts? I think they go by BPA at position of need and that player has to have very little to no character concerns. So far the results of this strategy has left the on the field product lacking. IMHO

They should just take the most talented players in each rd within reason and don't look back.
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I think there's three different blueprints but you want to connect unconnected things.

I think every NFL team around essentially goes BPA at a position of need. All the discussion otherwise is draftniks thinking they're smarter.

I think the evidence is in the Texans don't care about character near as much as is claimed. Just another talking point for folks wanting to bash the team. Cushing, Okoye, TJ, Babin, etc. show it's bunk.
 
infantrycak said:
I think there's three different blueprints but you want to connect unconnected things.

I think every NFL team around essentially goes BPA at a position of need. All the discussion otherwise is draftniks thinking they're smarter.

I think the evidence is in the Texans don't care about character near as much as is claimed. Just another talking point for folks wanting to bash the team. Cushing, Okoye, TJ, Babin, etc. show it's bunk.
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What are the 3 blueprints?

Not the best teams, you see the Seahawks drafting Carpenter one yr and Okung the next. Wagner one yr and Irvin the next. Pats, Vollmer one yr and Solder the next even when Light is still playing for a couple of more yrs.

Tell me more about me trying to connect unconnected things, the record says the on the field product has been lacking for a decade so I would say the Texans org has left many issues unconnected over the yrs. IMHO

Great examples, Time to sign Blackmon in FA and draft Rd.1 Gregory Rd.2 DGB. That would be a clear sign times are changing. (This will never happen Sarcasm) After all as DB says football is only entertainment and these guys are very entertaining players.
 
steelbtexan said:
What are the 3 blueprints?
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There have been 3 administrations here. Trying to treat them as one is stupid.

Not the best teams, you see the Seahawks drafting Carpenter one yr and Okung the next. Wagner one yr and Irvin the next. Pats, Vollmer one yr and Solder the next even when Light is still playing for a couple of more yrs.
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Why don't you just type wihego;waehwg'jzgj? It would be just as meaningful. Those guys are all on the field at the same time.

And Light was done when Solder was drafted.

Tell me more about me trying to connect unconnected things, the record says the on the field product has been lacking for a decade so I would say the Texans org has left many issues unconnected over the yrs. IMHO
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Stop sniffing glue.

Great examples, Time to sign Blackmon in FA and draft Rd.1 Gregory Rd.2 DGB. That would be a clear sign times are changing. (This will never happen Sarcasm) After all as DB says football is only entertainment and these guys are very entertaining players.
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Again with o4eiur049r2q-pufpfj. You've got nothing. You're just butt hurt they haven't taken your chosen character concern guys.
 
Since the guy I don't want the most is Shane Ray, I just put $20 on a bet with a friend with 3:1 odds we draft Shane Ray.

The person that I want is never even considered or completely forgotten. Feels like that MVP voter that completely forgot that Draymond Green played basketball (not MVP, but DPOY).
 
infantrycak said:
There have been 3 administrations here. Trying to treat them as one is stupid.



Why don't you just type wihego;waehwg'jzgj? It would be just as meaningful. Those guys are all on the field at the same time.

And Light was done when Solder was drafted.



Stop sniffing glue.



Again with o4eiur049r2q-pufpfj. You've got nothing. You're just butt hurt they haven't taken your chosen character concern guys.
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This has been one administration- the McNair's.

Not following the wihego/glue sniffing comments other than you being arrogant a**hole. (Expected)

Vollmer was drafted to replace Light in 2009.

Not butthurt at all. Just if the McNair's are going to try to win they should go all in. (Will not happen) Are you saying if available at 16 (Possible) Gregory wouldn't be BPA? I mean if your going to draft a pot smoker you should draft one that can play (Gregory) instead of an 18 yr old kid (Okoye) pot smoker who cant play. Same goes at 51 DGB. This is if the Texans don't place much value on character as you assert.
 
steelbtexan said:
This has been one administration- the McNair's.
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McNair doesn't make the draft picks.

Not following the wihego/glue sniffing comments other than you being arrogant a**hole. (Expected)

Vollmer was drafted to replace Light in 2009.
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You're spewing nonsense. None of the back to back picks you listed were drafted to replace each other. They were drafted to play together.

And Vollmer was not drafted to replace Light. He was noted coming out as going to RT if he was going to make it in the NFL.

Not butthurt at all. Just if the McNair's are going to try to win they should go all in. (Will not happen) Are you saying if available at 16 (Possible) Gregory wouldn't be BPA? I mean if your going to draft a pot smoker you should draft one that can play (Gregory) instead of an 18 yr old kid (Okoye) pot smoker who cant play. Same goes at 51 DGB. This is if the Texans don't place much value on character as you assert.
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Can't say who is BPA without knowing who's available. I bet some teams have Gregory off their boards entirely because he has a hard time keeping more than 230 lbs on. You spinning the Texans not picking your little pet miscreants into proof of your tin foil conspiracy that they don't want to win is butt hurt.
 
steelbtexan said:
This has been one administration- the McNair's.

Not following the wihego/glue sniffing comments other than you being arrogant a**hole. (Expected)

Vollmer was drafted to replace Light in 2009.

Not butthurt at all. Just if the McNair's are going to try to win they should go all in. (Will not happen) Are you saying if available at 16 (Possible) Gregory wouldn't be BPA? I mean if your going to draft a pot smoker you should draft one that can play (Gregory) instead of an 18 yr old kid (Okoye) pot smoker who cant play. Same goes at 51 DGB. This is if the Texans don't place much value on character as you assert.
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There's definitely a chance that Gregory isn't BPA. And he certainly doesn't play a position of need. We already have Mercilus and Clowney at his position. We need someone on the other side. And Gregory doesn't exhibit the skill set desired for that position. Forget the pot. He can't hold weight and he won't be able to set the edge, he is athletic but has never been asked to consistently play in coverage, and his motor runs hot and cold. He isn't a consistent effort guy. If I didn't know better I'd say the only reason you want the guy is because he failed the drug test.

DGB hasn't played a down of football in over a year. That doesn't mean he can't play anymore but that pick is a bigger risk than you are pretending it is.

And then you're talking in an earlier post about wasting FA money on an idiot like Blackmon who can't even get on the field. Why? How would that help? Because he's a bad boy? Is that supposed to make us better?
 
bah007 said:
There's definitely a chance that Gregory isn't BPA. And he certainly doesn't play a position of need. We already have Mercilus and Clowney at his position. We need someone on the other side. And Gregory doesn't exhibit the skill set desired for that position. Forget the pot. He can't hold weight and he won't be able to set the edge, he is athletic but has never been asked to consistently play in coverage, and his motor runs hot and cold. He isn't a consistent effort guy. If I didn't know better I'd say the only reason you want the guy is because he failed the drug test.

DGB hasn't played a down of football in over a year. That doesn't mean he can't play anymore but that pick is a bigger risk than you are pretending it is.

And then you're talking in an earlier post about wasting FA money on an idiot like Blackmon who can't even get on the field. Why? How would that help? Because he's a bad boy? Is that supposed to make us better?
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OK ... would you give a 5th round pick for Dion Jordan ?
 
bah007 said:
And then you're talking in an earlier post about wasting FA money on an idiot like Blackmon who can't even get on the field. Why? How would that help? Because he's a bad boy? Is that supposed to make us better?
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Sometimes last chance guys pay off great because of the prices they sign for long term on the franchise that took the chance on them.

But yeah, sometimes they just do what everyone expects and get kicked out.

I'd definitely be about Blackmon though assuming we could get him at a good discount and not be afraid to just cut ties with him if he screws up. Guys like Blackmon and Gordon have essentially killed their opportunities for guaranteed money and thus future cap hits if forced to part ways.
 
TexansFTW said:
Sometimes last chance guys pay off great because of the prices they sign for long term on the franchise that took the chance on them.

But yeah, sometimes they just do what everyone expects and get kicked out.

I'd definitely be about Blackmon though assuming we could get him at a good discount and not be afraid to just cut ties with him if he screws up. Guys like Blackmon and Gordon have essentially killed their opportunities for guaranteed money and thus future cap hits if forced to part ways.
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Always be a JAG in my mind.
 
bah007 said:
There's definitely a chance that Gregory isn't BPA. And he certainly doesn't play a position of need. We already have Mercilus and Clowney at his position. We need someone on the other side. And Gregory doesn't exhibit the skill set desired for that position. Forget the pot. He can't hold weight and he won't be able to set the edge, he is athletic but has never been asked to consistently play in coverage, and his motor runs hot and cold. He isn't a consistent effort guy. If I didn't know better I'd say the only reason you want the guy is because he failed the drug test.

DGB hasn't played a down of football in over a year. That doesn't mean he can't play anymore but that pick is a bigger risk than you are pretending it is.

And then you're talking in an earlier post about wasting FA money on an idiot like Blackmon who can't even get on the field. Why? How would that help? Because he's a bad boy? Is that supposed to make us better?
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Point is that Cak was saying they do take chances and I don't believe they do so using sarcasm I was pointing out that they should go all in and take all of the talented but troubled guys like Gregory/DGB/Blackmon.

With that said, I want Kendricks/Brown/Peat at 16. You make valid points about Gregory but if he interviewed well you don't pass up an elite pass rusher. (He's said to be a top 5 type talent.) Gregory is said to be a hard worker and that appeals to me. However Kendricks is my #1 ILB/OLB in this draft. He would be a perfect fit next to Cushing.

DGB wouldn't help the redzone woes would he? But I would either draft a NT in the 2nd rd if a Goldman type fell to 51. Wilfork played mostly DE for a reason last yr. My goal would be to build an elite defense using the 1st 2 picks and get a RB to carry the load in the 3rd. D.Johnson who also can play the slot like Vereen or Mike Davis. Then add speed at WR/CB/S. in the later rds.

Where would you look for OL depth in this draft?
 
IDEXAN said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...collins-failed-multiple-drug-tests-in-college
**** OK so there's another prospect that just fell off of the Texans' Board, certainly for first-round consideration and I've seen some mocks with him going to Houston at #16.
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Every NEW report just before the draft is suspect. It doesn't mean it's true or false, but definitely suspect as teams play games trying to get other teams to pass on players they want and feign interest in players they don't want.

But I really think there are only two Collins we'd be interested in at 16 and they are La'el and Landon.

But at 51, maybe?
 
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