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State of the Texans -- 16 for #16 for the Texans

steelbtexan said:
...Where would you look for OL depth in this draft?
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I like the depth at OG in this draft. There are a handful of guys that I think can really play that will probably be available from the 5th til the end of the draft.

I think you'll have to strike in rounds 3-5 to get decent depth at OT. I think up to 12 could go in the first three rounds so the depth guys won't be there at the end.

Center is the problem. We need one. So you have to take Erving in the 1st or Grasu in the 2nd to get an instant starter. After that it's all about fit. You probably have to use a 4th to get the one you like the best out of the rest or just skip it entirely.
 
bah007 said:
I like the depth at OG in this draft. There are a handful of guys that I think can really play that will probably be available from the 5th til the end of the draft.

I think you'll have to strike in rounds 3-5 to get decent depth at OT. I think up to 12 could go in the first three rounds so the depth guys won't be there at the end.

Center is the problem. We need one. So you have to take Erving in the 1st or Grasu in the 2nd to get an instant starter. After that it's all about fit. You probably have to use a 4th to get the one you like the best out of the rest or just skip it entirely.
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It's probably better to wait and convert one of those guards from 5 to 7 than reach for a center in a draft without much depth of quality. We probably would be no better off with a rookie than with Ferentz backing up Jones.
 
bah007 said:
I like the depth at OG in this draft. There are a handful of guys that I think can really play that will probably be available from the 5th til the end of the draft.

I think you'll have to strike in rounds 3-5 to get decent depth at OT. I think up to 12 could go in the first three rounds so the depth guys won't be there at the end.

Center is the problem. We need one. So you have to take Erving in the 1st or Grasu in the 2nd to get an instant starter. After that it's all about fit. You probably have to use a 4th to get the one you like the best out of the rest or just skip it entirely.
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My #1 Center prospect is A.J. Cann. I do like Erving but think Cann is more powerful.

If Smith Waits until rd 5-7 and picks Gallick or Finney that tells me that BOB believes in Jones as his starting center.
 
thunderkyss said:
Kinda like Posey?
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Not a fair comparison. I actually liked DGB before he threw that girl down the stairs and got kicked out of school. I never liked Posey.

The closest thing to DGB would be Mike Williams, who was the #10 pick in 2005 and turned out to be an epic bust. Different circumstances, but his year off from playing was a huge deal and people just ignored it like it didn't matter.

They were also very similar players on the field too.
 
Dunno if I like it, but we appear interested enough to research

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 16m16 minutes ago

Last year when the Khalil Mack / Texans rumor was put out there I checked & found out it was a smokescreen. This year, DGB is NO smokescreen
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 13m13 minutes ago

That's not to say that DGB will be the pick but Houston has definitely done extensive research on the receiver & there's legit interest.
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16 for the Houston Texans: Melvin Gordon
Melvin Gordon III put together one of the best seasons in recent memory in 2014, when the former Wisconsin Badger rushed for 2,587 yards which was second all-time in FBS History.

The 2014 Doak Walker Award winner for the best runner in the nation, Gordon (6'1", 215 lbs.)stepped out of the shadows of former Badger running backs by returning for his Senior season. “It’s a decision I’m proud of,” said Gordon of returning to Wisconsin. “I came back because I wanted to be more of a complete running back. I wanted to be a better football player and I think I achieved that.”

His senior season saw him have an average rush of 7.5 yards a carry with 29 rushing touchdowns. During his four-year career with the Badgers, Gordon averaged 111.7 yards a game with 45 rushing touchdowns and back-to-back 1,500 plus rushing yards season. Gordon is considered the second running back this NFL Draft, in a pretty deep draft class.
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The Heisman Trophy Runner-Up and All-American has plenty to prove at the NFL level and could be a feature back on Sundays. Running a 4.52 forty-yard dash and exhibiting short-area quickness, Gordon is a playmaker in waiting for a NFL team.

Scout’s Take
Angular, talented open-field runner who combines outstanding burst with a long stride to gain separation and hit the home run. He won't be able to outrun NFL defenders like he did in college and must develop more feel between the tackles. Gordon shines when his track runs over tackle or around the end and can put a defense to sleep around the corner. Not trustworthy enough to be a three-down back, but his pass-catching improved enough to utilize him out of backfield as a receiver.
Lance Zierlein, NFL.com

After three seasons as a bridesmaid in Wisconsin’s offense, Gordon had his chance to wear the white dress in 2014 and didn’t disappoint with one of the single-best rushing seasons in NCAA history. He is at his best attacking the line of scrimmage, only to jump cut and bounce outside where he can turn on the jets and race downfield – most of his damage in college came outside the tackles. Gordon has above average field speed with electric feet to make defender miss and play with instant reactions, weaving through defenders with beautiful patience and gliding strides. His game is built more on quickness and vision rather than power, but he’s tough and looks to lower his pads on contact, working hard to max out his strength potential. Gordon’s lack of reliability as a pass catcher and blocker are two glaring concerns, but he has the ingredients to be a Jamaal Charles type of weapon in the NFL.
-Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com​
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http://hou.scout.com/story/1541670-16-for-the-houston-texans-melvin-gordon?s=116
 
I'm not going to say that Gordon will be a bust, because I do think that he can hit the occasional home run for your offense at the next level.

But I do think that whoever drafts him is going to be disappointed with what they get. The way the game is played right now you need your RB to be as versatile as possible, and he just isn't that guy. He's one dimensional.
 
bhsman said:
Honestly, if not for the fact that Rick tends to be good on late-round picks relative to the rest of the league, I would drop a 5th on a guy like Jordan; he's been criminally misused by Miami's coaching staff and could come in and play ILB for us. Low-risk, high-reward situation.
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Might want to click on that link. :truck:
 
16 for the Houston Texans: Trae Waynes
One of the top defensive backs in the draft, Michigan State’s Trae Waynes could be a steal sitting at 16 for the Houston Texans. Appearing in 36 games with 27 starts, Waynes (6'0", 186 lbs.) received All-Big Ten Honors in 2014. Declaring early for the NFL Draft, the All-American had 46 total tackles with 3 interceptions in 2014. A true lock-down cornerback at the college level, Waynes made a considerable jump in progress from his sophomore to junior seasons for the Spartans.

At the NFL Combine, Waynes put his speed on display with a 4.31 forty-yard dash and his 4.19 second 20-yard shuttle time proves that Waynes has what it takes to be a major speed upgrade for any defense. With a track background and room to grow as a player, Waynes could be a solid addition to any NFL roster.

Scouts Take
He's a bump-and-run cornerback with the length, deep speed and confidence to handle himself down the field against speed. Waynes plays too handsy for NFL officials and that could show up on Sundays. His 4.31 40, smooth hips and overall fluidity displayed at the combine could make him a much earlier pick in the draft than previously projected. Waynes carries a very high ceiling.
Lance Zierlien, NFL.com

Waynes is all “arms and legs” and has NFL speed to stay stride-for-stride with receivers up and down the field, excelling in press coverage. He takes well to coaching and became well-versed within the Spartans aggressive quarters coverage, but has a bad habit of biting the apple and freelancing – needs to improve his route anticipation to close quicker on the catch point. Although he needs to tighten his off- man technique, Waynes is tough vs. the run and has the confidence and movement skills to find success on an island. He is still raw in areas and requires patience to reach his full potential, but Waynes has the skill-set and playmaking ballskills to be as good as he wants to be – day one starter in any scheme.
Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com​
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JB said:
I wouldn't be upset with Waynes
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Waynes is the only CB I would be OK with at #16. There's a large group after him with #2 CB potential that could be had in the 2nd, maybe 3rd rounds.
 
I'd prefer Peters over Waynes, but I'm not privy to his personality peculiarities. He has the on field brashness and make-up quicks to play on an island. Love his tape, plays faster than timed.
 
Playoffs said:
I'd prefer Peters over Waynes, but I'm not privy to his personality peculiarities. He has the on field brashness and make-up quicks to play on an island. Love his tape, plays faster than timed.
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I think getting kicked off the team speaks for itself. And he looks like a penalty machine in the NFL, much like a young Kareem. Peters needs a lot of coaching, and that is apparently an issue with him. Do not want.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
You're not. Lazy players with questionable work ethics and motors are definitely the best way to go.
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Tell me who has a questionable work ethic in this draft?

DGB/Gregory are said to have good/great work ethics.

Does Justin Houston have a bad work ethic? Did Warren Sapp?
 
Lucky said:
I think getting kicked off the team speaks for itself. And he looks like a penalty machine in the NFL, much like a young Kareem. Peters needs a lot of coaching, and that is apparently an issue with him. Do not want.
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Johnson is the best CB in this draft that I've seen and I think Waynes will be a really good CB.
 
Lucky said:
I think getting kicked off the team speaks for itself. And he looks like a penalty machine in the NFL, much like a young Kareem. Peters needs a lot of coaching, and that is apparently an issue with him. Do not want.
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Peters a penalty machine? I think he's the most ready to turn and run with guys one-one-one. His footwork and balance to shadow a receiver are excellent. I see Waynes having to adjust more to keeping his hands off in the pros, especially when going up in the air.

No cartwheels if we choose Waynes, but I'd feel good about going into the season with great corner depth and confident we'll have two good starters next year when JJo takes off.
 
Lucky said:
I think getting kicked off the team speaks for itself. And he looks like a penalty machine in the NFL, much like a young Kareem. Peters needs a lot of coaching, and that is apparently an issue with him. Do not want.
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waynes the one that will have to worry about penalties in the NFL. Peters is by far the best CB in this draft. He would be a lock for top 10 if he hadn't gotten kicked off the team.
 
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