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Why ? Is he supposed to stare down his delete
You're freaking blind
It may help to specify whom the second open guy is. I don't see it either.
This is why I think they need to go back to the offense they ran those 1st 7 games. Because it's obvious to me Watson cant figure out how to run a pro style offense.
Man I’ve never seen someone try to pound their chest on an issue like you. We have one constant in this organization and it surely isn’t Watson.
Really , he's onto something there.
One of the knocks on Watson pre-draft was that he didn't see both sides of the field and its pretty obvious that's still an issue. He misses an awful lot of stuff , both before and after the snap.
That first season they ran a lot of simple stuff , read option , getting him in space and one / two read throws with a safety valve.
Watson looked really good doing those things.
Now they are asking him to stay in the pocket with multiple reads and suspect protection. When the protection holds up like it did in the second half of the Chargers game , everything is peachy …. but that and two drives against the Aints is the only time the protection has held.
Then you have the issue of the longer the protection holds , the longer Watson takes …. trying to make that big play instead of taking what he can get and move the chains.
Go back to that 1 or 2 reads and hit the safety valve they did year one …. and let the guys around him make a play. He really needs some structure ….
Really , he's onto something there.
One of the knocks on Watson pre-draft was that he didn't see both sides of the field and its pretty obvious that's still an issue. He misses an awful lot of stuff , both before and after the snap.
That first season they ran a lot of simple stuff , read option , getting him in space and one / two read throws with a safety valve.
Watson looked really good doing those things.
Now they are asking him to stay in the pocket with multiple reads and suspect protection. When the protection holds up like it did in the second half of the Chargers game , everything is peachy …. but that and two drives against the Aints is the only time the protection has held.
Then you have the issue of the longer the protection holds , the longer Watson takes …. trying to make that big play instead of taking what he can get and move the chains.
Go back to that 1 or 2 reads and hit the safety valve they did year one …. and let the guys around him make a play. He really needs some structure ….
"The more time he gets, the more time he takes" This is what I've been posting for several weeks.
And as far as the read option and the like in main stay that seemed to have worked for Watson in his short rookie year, in the NFL it is not a system that has survived successfully for any QB long-term. Cam Newton sucked it dry until he almost got killed............and he makes Watson look like a little kid.
"The more time he gets, the more time he takes" This is what I've been posting for several weeks.
And as far as the read option and the like in main stay that seemed to have worked for Watson in his short rookie year, in the NFL it is not a system that has survived successfully for any QB long-term. Cam Newton sucked it dry until he almost got killed............and he makes Watson look like a little kid.
"The more time he gets, the more time he takes" This is what I've been posting for several weeks.
And as far as the read option and the like in main stay that seemed to have worked for Watson in his short rookie year, in the NFL it is not a system that has survived successfully for any QB long-term. Cam Newton sucked it dry until he almost got killed............and he makes Watson look like a little kid.
When that's all he's been successful doing …. that's what you gotta do.
They can run that without getting him killed , we saw Schaub doing much of the same kinda roll out plays and just check it in the stands if the check down isn't there. You don't have to take those hits.
Really , the risk of injury is greater in a dirty pocket than outside in space ….
Honestly , I'd put Watson in a classic I formation …. and run a modified WCO with lots of play action and no more than two reads on any pass play - after that hit the check down or chuck it in the stands.
When that's all he's been successful doing …. that's what you gotta do.
They can run that without getting him killed , we saw Schaub doing much of the same kinda roll out plays and just check it in the stands if the check down isn't there. You don't have to take those hits.
Really , the risk of injury is greater in a dirty pocket than outside in space ….
Honestly , I'd put Watson in a classic I formation …. and run a modified WCO with lots of play action and no more than two reads on any pass play - after that hit the check down or chuck it in the stands.
If you want the team to be successful, unfortunately this is the offense that needs to be run.
Why do you think BOB chose to run the offense he ran those 1st 7 games?
Watson has to adjust to the NFL . They take away what you want to do and Watson hasn't countered that move yet . The RBs and TEs should get 6 targets a game .
Probably the only thing he felt Watson was familiar with (virtually all off schedule) and could run in a short period of time. I doubt if he ever envisioned it being a realistic long-term career path.If you want the team to be successful, unfortunately this is the offense that needs to be run.
Why do you think BOB chose to run the offense he ran those 1st 7 games?
When that's all he's been successful doing …. that's what you gotta do.
They can run that without getting him killed , we saw Schaub doing much of the same kinda roll out plays and just check it in the stands if the check down isn't there. You don't have to take those hits.
Really , the risk of injury is greater in a dirty pocket than outside in space ….
Honestly , I'd put Watson in a classic I formation …. and run a modified WCO with lots of play action and no more than two reads on any pass play - after that hit the check down or chuck it in the stands.
https://footballtoolbox.net/qb-play-pocket-mobileNine quarterbacks ran the ball at least four times a game. Those nine have missed about one game per season due to injury.
On the other end, 12 quarterbacks averaged no more than 1.5 rushing attempts per game. Those 12 have missed an extra half game per season than the dual-threat players.
a QB is in more harms way when he has 4 mad dogs coming at him vs in space where he can see the hit coming
When that's all he's been successful doing …. that's what you gotta do.
They can run that without getting him killed , we saw Schaub doing much of the same kinda roll out plays and just chuck it in the stands if the check down isn't there. You don't have to take those hits.
Really , the risk of injury is greater in a dirty pocket than outside in space ….
Honestly , I'd put Watson in a classic I formation …. and run a modified WCO with lots of play action and no more than two reads on any pass play - after that hit the check down or chuck it in the stands.
Probably the only thing he felt Watson was familiar with (virtually all off schedule) and could run in a short period of time. I doubt if he ever envisioned it being a realistic long-term career path.
Haven't you seen the resistance to doing this despite obvious repeated direction to do so?
Agree with the bolded. Some reports think you would find that pocket passers actually lose .5 games more per year to injury vs “mobile QBs”
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/foo...more-injury-prone-than-drop-back-qbs/2206637/
https://footballtoolbox.net/qb-play-pocket-mobile
listen to coach Johnson give his insight.
maybe @CloakNNNdagger would like to chime in.
I'm not completely sure he's getting to the check down read …. taking so too much time looking downfield.
I don't know if that's on Watson trying to take big chunks and pressure getting to him before he can find that check down or the fact that so many of these routes take too long to develop and the pressure gets to him …
I really hate this offense.
Agree with the bolded. Some reports think you would find that pocket passers actually lose .5 games more per year to injury vs “mobile QBs”
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/foo...more-injury-prone-than-drop-back-qbs/2206637/
https://footballtoolbox.net/qb-play-pocket-mobile
listen to coach Johnson give his insight.
a QB is in more harms way when he has 4 mad dogs coming at him vs in space where he can see the hit coming
maybe @CloakNNNdagger would like to chime in.
I'm very happy to have Tunsil/Stills on the team.
Why? He's just going to keep Watson healthy for a longer time
I'm very happy to have Tunsil/Stills on the team.
In the meantime, the oline just might improve.Why? He's just going to keep Watson healthy for a longer time
Not great but improving
Watson isn't doing them any favors.
They are ranked 31 in pass blocking by football outsiders
@PFF_Texans: The rest of the line may be struggling, but Laremy Tunsil has shown the potential that convinced the Texans to mortgage their future for him.
Following a rocky Week 1, Tunsil's 86.0 pass block grade over the past three weeks is 3rd among offensive tackles. https://t.co/wC5SpFpxwK
I stand by my post that Watson isn't doing them any favors.
Last week how many of those 6 sacks were because Watson held the ball/was confused?
whats the run block grade?
But, I think the most important thing going forward isn’t Tunsil, but how O’Brien and Watson combine to fix the pressure in this passing game. That’s a nagging problem that the Texans hoped would go away just by acquiring good linemen. So far, that hasn’t borne out.
https://www.riversmccown.com/2019/10/01/the-early-returns-of-the-laremy-tunsil-trade/
I re-watched the whole game on the All-22, and it seems like to me the OL is getting off pretty lightly by the media. To often, the Panthers were able to generate pressure with just a 4-man rush. One guy is usually getting beat or pushed back into the pocket, causing Watson to have to shuffle. He often didn't have a clean pocket. Also, the line continues to struggle picking up stunts.
I re-watched the whole game on the All-22, and it seems like to me the OL is getting off pretty lightly by the media. To often, the Panthers were able to generate pressure with just a 4-man rush. One guy is usually getting beat or pushed back into the pocket, causing Watson to have to shuffle. He often didn't have a clean pocket. Also, the line continues to struggle picking up stunts.
This is what I saw as well. Mancz in particular was poor
While you are asking that question, isn't it also fair to ask how often he needlessly gets himself into a situation where he needs to use his ridiculous athleticism to avoid a sack.For everyone claiming many of these sacks are on Watson (which isn't entirely unfair), are you also taking into account how many plays that would have almost certainly resulted in a sack DIDN'T END IN A SACK because of Watson's ridiculous athleticism? I mean, if you're going to blame him when he holds the ball too long, at least be just as likely to give him credit when be makes something out of nothing because the line didn't do its job. At the end of the day, I'd be willing to bet he avoids at least as many as he is "responsible" for.
It didn't take an All-22 to see that Mancz should have been spending time in your therapy program rather than on an NFL field and shortly thereafter seeking another profession.This is what I saw as well. Mancz in particular was poor
Agreed. Mancz did not look ready for this game. At least it looks like Fulton will be back for this Sunday.
Wait, time out ... you're saying we cant throw our entire future at the (always in flux) offensive line and it magically makes everything rainbows and unicorns and superb owls? That's not what I was told ... we has a directions!
8th in pass block win rate
Full Pass Block Win Rate team rankings through Week 4
(PBWR is an ESPN metric powered by data from Next Gen Stats) pic.twitter.com/Qo0Px5UYXs
— Seth Walder (@SethWalder) October 2, 2019
The rest of the line may be struggling, but Laremy Tunsil has shown the potential that convinced the Texans to mortgage their future for him.
Following a rocky Week 1, Tunsil's 86.0 pass block grade over the past three weeks is 3rd among offensive tackles. pic.twitter.com/wC5SpFpxwK
— PFF HOU Texans (@PFF_Texans) October 3, 2019
Agreed. Two 1st & a 2nd sounds pretty even to me.
Mancz is out on concussion protocol
If that pushes Fulton to the Center spot …. that might be the best injury news we get all season.
That gets their best 5 on the field , moving Howard from RT back inside to RG and Johnson back to RT.